they're still stuck in the wave of gamer gate propaganda. it's gonna take years for them to 'catch up' when this stuff infects their country. they won't know what it is until half of africa is living there.
It would carry more weight if it was a western developer, they have different attitudes in China so they can stay stuff like this and not have to realistically deal with backlash.
It amazes me that companies can see this kind of stuff happen time and time again. Yet still think the 7,000 people angry on Twitter are an accurate representation of overall society. It would be like if in the Middle Ages a king went into the town square. Walked up to the local crazy drunk to listen to his incoherent ramblings. Then went “I can’t believe my kingdom thought this way”
I think that absolutely could happen in middle ages. However its not like kings had particular consideration about what their kingdom thinks, so they might do that just out of pure interest, for fun essentially. In that way kings had better grip with reality than novadays corpos. Given that corpos actually have power of statistics, sales data an many, many other things tho, there might be something else going on here. It can be explained just by incompetence for lesser and lesser extend year by year.
Better comparission would be King listening to his nobles to find out what troubes his country, and gets an answer that main problem in his country is a disastrous shortage of pastries.
@Random76544 adding a lot of examples would just give more people ammo to accuse the studio of trying to hide things. They gave the perfect amount of examples for the most obvious things people might rope into a conversation involving a Chinese studio. People that argue about this simply want there to be drama to distract them from how boring their lives are. Their publishers, not the studio or developers, asking to keep discourse to the game itself is in every way a reasonable request.
Every time when a game gets controversial when it relates it not having any DEI propaganda is going to make the game lead to a successful outcome, it just goes to show you that players are actually tired of this thing being included in games because it's unnecessary
Hogwarts Legacy, Stellar Blade, Elden Ring, Black Myth Wukong and other such games immense success really puts into perspective how irrelevant game journalists are & how they exist in an echo chamber. They are disconnected with the end consumers. The end consumers really dgaf about their opinions & it shows in the sales statistics of all the games these games journalists have either tried to cancel or promote. The games they cancel sell millions of copies & some even become GOTY. And the games they try to hype up tank horribly with just some 200 players playing the game lmao
Wait until weekends, then there will be even more players. Now its broke the record for single player game category for having the most concurrent players online.
The controversy is that a DEI company tried to blackmail them with a $7 million “consultation fee” and they were told no. So now they’re labeled sexist and racist. This is nasty stuff.
who knew a game that is solely focusing on good story, good gameplay, smooth gameplay and not inserting political propaganda will have tons of people wanting to play it
@@hikhik6441 Na, what's making people want to buy this very average game is the strawman that was created behind a couple of reviews that barely touched on some social issues. Made the nerds angry so bought out of spite. And all you really needed to do was read thr actual article that was demonised. See when I first heard about it I thought, the same thing, but I don't just stop there. I head to the source and get some perspective. And they points were minor but valid I've seen review bombs happen for less glaring omissions from source material. You geeks are hypocrites. And their score wasn't even in reference to the omissions from the source material. It was for all the other issues of the product that every other reviewer glossed over with "some of you might want to wait" and "for this reason it might not be for this specific type of player".
I've only been reading manhwa, and watching martial art cgi, never played their games with triple A quality like wukong, trying to role play that is in a whole different level, definitely a lot of wuxia/murim fans gonna flock on it.
Yeah, fuck free speech. You don't get to be your own person while talking about this game. If they have to comply with the CCP, that sucks, so be it. That's not where all of this is coming from. The feminism thing is just their own bs.
Yeah basically. I don’t even know why people keep saying the Chinese government has anything to do with this, when it’s obviously just a response to bad faith actors drawing focus away from the quality of the game.
They didn't say don't discuss politics. They said don't discuss feminism or COVID. So they are pushing for a particular kind of politics. The people supporting this don't actually care about free speech.
@@Bomb6A9Head Asmon has some pretty good takes in alot of his videos. Sometimes he does get it wrong but more often than not he makes sense when discussing something.
The success of this game has nothing to do with DEI. It’s not that the absence of DEI made it successful; it’s just not relevant. The real reason Black Myth: Wukong took off is that it hit the mark with what Chinese gamers want in a single-player game. First, there’s a huge demand for games based on ancient Chinese mythology, especially Journey to the West, which is a classic that almost every Chinese person loves. Second, there’s a growing desire for high-quality single-player games because people are fed up with the pay-to-win model dominating the online gaming scene in China. To explain this, you have to know that China is wealthy now and already has a huge game market. However it’s all about local pay-to-win online games. Take Genshin Impact, for example-it’s popular, but it doesn’t even crack the top three in China’s online gaming market. In recent years, the demand for single-player games has skyrocketed, and Black Myth: Wukong met this need, pulling players away from those online games. Interestingly, if you dig into some early news in China, you’ll find that some game journalists, hired by big companies, tried to undermine Black Myth. Personally, I don’t think the game is perfect; it has its flaws. But as a Chinese gamer, it’s a must-buy because people want more single-player games that reflect Chinese culture. And they understand that the best way to get more of these games is to support companies like Game Science, who stands with players and are genuinely trying to make great games, even under pressure.
I mean, you are describing the Western market as well. The Western market is DESPERATE for an AAA level game that has a good story, good characters, good graphics, no ultra predatory model, and isn't preachy af. Anyone who is even tangentially familiar with Easter Asian culture knows of Wukong and Journey to the West. And of course, what better way to tell a story when you get a game made by Chinese people? Can you imagine what EA or Ubisoft would have done to butcher this game? I don't even want to think about it.
BRUH THANKS. I thought everyone here is in an absolute psychosis. I even felt a bit gas-lighted because so many here talk about "woke journalism" and "woke people peeing their pants rn" even though I haven't seen a single person saying that the game is not fun or problematic in any way. lmao It's legit a good game and Asian/Chinese, that's the main reason here
Great post, not only the P2W features in any competitive scene but also the rampant cheating in every multiplayer game ruins the integrity of the experience. It’s why games like Elden ring, BG3 have been so highly successful in recent times. This game isn’t my cup of tea per se, but I support the message behind it and if more games follow it’ll be good for all gamers
Of course it has some flaw. Game science or Chinese gaming industry have never created a AAA game before, i am suprise it broke so much game record with only a more than 140 worker lol. Now imagine what chinese game developer will create in the future when they first hits is a huge success.
Controversy? Oh, please. It’s just another instance of so-called game "journalists" throwing a fit because they can’t comprehend that this game is based on Chinese folklore, which clearly doesn’t align with their forced diversity. Instead of appreciating the game's quality like its gameplay, physics, and storyline, they're busy whining about the absence of black characters and such, as if every studio has a magical diversity box to tick.
I wonder where is this notice from? From the official website? And why did this MOONMOON dude do this? Cuz he saw the notice and thought it’s ridiculous?
@@ryana5435ofc it is ridiculous but nowadays it is a necessity because westerners ( 90% of the Americans) complain about everything like why no lesbians here why no strong women here etc etc ofc this notice is ridiculous but I don’t blame them if they think it is necessary
@@kevindogaru4080 well maybe if they stop trying to make just one group of people feel special maybe just maybe we can stop acting like these people are gods and actually worry making a game that everyone can enjoy minus all the propaganda and assumptions.
@@kevindogaru4080 On the other side, if video games included well written strong feminist/lesbian characters, they will get angry again because well written requires character's growth, responsibility, having a personality etc. They can't handle that
As a Chinese, wukong is a god that every Chinese has worshipped since childhood. He is not the strongest god, but he is indeed a brave man who fights against the injustice of destiny.
@@dreamjames8784 even outside of china wukong is a very popular and cherished character. in some places he's even more popular than the journey to the west
It's not surprising when you realize that overwhelming majority of players are Chinese. There's only 1% of English reviews on Steam. Also Wukong isn't available on the Chinese Steam.
Can we stop calling this kinda of stuff a controversy? It’s not. It’s literally a small sect of people who are so disconnected from reality that they will complain about literally everything. It’s not controversial it’s blatant stupidity
People who think Chinas bad policies led to the spread of Covid is a much larger demographic than you are accounting for. There was much more to those conditions than just the "Feminist propaganda" one. Any major Chinese game was going to face this one way or another, and it just happened to be Wukong that was the one that triggered it.
This whole game is about Chinese culture, that’s the real diversity we should strive for. Diversity of game settings and sticking to those settings, not having one setting and craming every different type of person in their.
He was in fact comparing the game to only Elden Ring. He meant Elden Ring's all time player count, not in general. Stop being a pedantic clown. "eDiToR jUsT A CoRrEctiOn" lmfao
I usually wait 3-4 days after the new games released and then i see the reviews. Those reviews especially in Steam are way more better than the reviews from the journalist
@@rockstarboi2209 because the reviews from are steam are written from people who actually play the game instead of troglodytes who care more about diversity instead of gameplay.
I've literally not seen one review that has said anything beyond "it removed females from the source materials impact in the story". Thats it. None of them have reduced scored because of it. Lol. This is an entire strawman. Try reading the reviews instead of taking what these other "journos" spout as fact.
@@Mirristal what's odd is that you lot don't want the other half of your relationship to be able to earn more income and help you guys buy those homes you keep bitching about not being able to buy
@@Friendlyfirefish huh? feminist propaganda and someone making money based on merit are two different things. Did people “bitch” about buying homes decades ago? No. There’s reasons for that, and it’s not because of feminist bs. Now go get a brain boy
Sun Wukong was born from a stone crevice, making him a silicon-based lifeform, and thus, a member of a minority group. As a stone monkey, he is genderless and can be seen as a representative of the LGBT community. Additionally, as a monk, he is also a vegetarian. He created chaos in the underworld to prevent his fellow monkeys from being oppressed, showing that he is a noble animal rights activist. After being trapped under the Five Elements Mountain for 500 years, suffering greatly, he gained a deep understanding of freedom, making him a liberal. He respectfully addresses women as "Goddess of Mercy," showing his support for women's rights, making him a feminist. His journey to extinguish the flames of Fire Mountain showcases him as a great environmental warrior. The storyline in the Kingdom of Women, involving male pregnancy and the allowance of abortion, further reflects a progressive stance on reproductive rights. Such a figure, embodying multiple attributes like minority status, LGBT identity, vegetarianism, animal rights activism, feminism, environmentalism, and liberalism, and with his 72 transformations piling on more and more buffs, how could anyone say he is politically incorrect?
Why, they do matter. They will shat on anything that have no coplience with their agenda, and will praise everything which have. And they do not know anything about gameplay being good anyway. So you can just ignore their gameplay take and reverse shat to praising and praising to shat. Pretty usable i should say, yet ineffective.
they're engaging in a literal shakedown of game science, that's why, they refused the offer of a western dei consultancy firm to consult on the game for $7Mn dollars and then the hit pieces started. I'm pretty sure this is actually a felony crime, racketeering, and that people who do this usually get the RICO act used on them which screws up their lives completely. this is actually anticompetitive business behavior as well, so antitrust might be another route. considering we know these people are all BFF palsy walsies on various socialist social media hives of scum and villainry and such little collusion rings in the gaming media have been revealed in the past, I have no doubt there that there's grounds here at least for an exploratory investigation into potential criminal activity by a federal agency, say, after january.
Facts. Journey to the West transcends any politics. It'd be like going and politicizing the Iliad. Its a grand adventure, let it be free from the nonsense.
@@slanderking69 Themes and messages that further the tyrannical female agenda that I will not speak of in fear of spreading female propaganda. (I have no flipping idea)
@@Myth-Enjoyer "In this game we are playing as an anthropomorphic monkey fighting enemies that are derived from a famous Chinese story. But of course the most important thing about this game are women" - You, probably
Well, the last topic technically prtevents you from talking about the game... because its a result of the chinese games industry and the CCPs now open "requests" for them to copy recent AAA games (like GoW, including having the same issues with walking down stairs and using trashy animation locks with no recovery tweens/transition and cancel options as if it were a PS1 game with Wukong... actually i lie, even PS1 games like Soul Reaver had dodges that attack cancel on input).
Not to me. I paid for the product, I will do with it what I please. Violating copyright laws should be the only exception to this. Just because you sold me something doesn't mean you get to tell me what to do with it.
True... but wait to see if people like the game in general.... don't count all your (commie) eggs until they hatch ( in to credits ). Bing ice creaming... I believe the famous saying goes
It's very impressive, and it's currently sitting as the top 4th alltime-player record behind Counterstrike, Palworld, and Pubg. This is absolutely incredible, especially considering that, it is a single player game.
@@DerusGrindz he's actually not far from the truth. UK is cracking down on online discourse and it actively saying you can't talk about feminism could trigger someone over there and they report you to the police.
@@ghostguy_x7085 I'm not telling you anything but for what it is in the UK. There are videos everywhere of people being arrested for wrong think. This is a reality! They are even trying to work with the US government to extradition orders.
@@trashcan7140 i'll rather take CCP propaganda rather than DEI propaganda , at least the CCP doesn't hate me because i'm white male + im not even american so
Info to be clear : the guidelines don't enforce any streamers or influencer since you don't sign anything so nothing illegal if you don't follow them. It's literally a guideline from the Chinese marketing company (so not even the game dev studio) that advice them to not talking about these topics.
Who is "trying hard"? All I saw was an IGN article about the developers being giant freaks, making the line about "no fetishization" pretty hypocritical", considering their devs post instruction on how to jerk it to the female characters.
only because China is supporting it. If it was just western gamers it would not be as popular. I don't know a single person who bought this game. We are still playing Elden Ring DLC
It is important to point out that most of the players are chinese. They are very likely 70 - 95% of the playerbase. Since 95% of the steam reviews are Chinese. Wukong is a very popular character in China. It is not surprising it is doing really good over there. The only thing I could see winning over that game with that playerbase is if GTA 6 gets released on Steam at launch.
@@bogustav You might be right, though it did hit 2.2m concurrent players which regardless of the playerbase - for a single player action RPG is beyond impressive and is definitely a historical achievement, especially for such a new developer on their debut title. I'm also seeing a tonne of praise for the game from western content creators. though yeah, Journey to the west from what I understand is basically Marvel levels of popular in China etc. I'm looking forward to playing it. It's downloaded on my ps5, I'm just holding off for when I can sit down for more than 1 hour to play it so I can get fully immersed in the game without interruptions.
The fact that they listed it between violence and fetishization is just... yikes. Hope this is a wake up call for the oblivious zealots. That's what they look like to an objective neutral party.
Minimum requirements is a RTX 1060. That means you will get 60 fps even if you shovel the pixels onto the screen by hand instead of having a GPU in your computer.
Just for the record - I searched for this game on some torrent trackers in Russia, they have game client there but without a crack which is expected because of Denuvo. But what I didn't expect is to see there chinese bot accounts that praise the game using google translator and poorly written comments. How many developers would fall to such lowly thing? Thats a flag for me, maybe not red, but yellow for sure. Thought of giving them money but now I won't.
Yep, there's probably a lot of astrourfing. But the thing is, you can also watch Western or non-Chinese streamers play this game and the game looks pretty fun. I don't think it's the next elden ring since the majority of the purchases are from Chinese citizens themselves but, it's a pretty competent game. It kind of reminds me of a game we would see in the mid 2000s to 2010s where it doesn't do anything really good, but it takes a lot of good things that we've seen from other games put them together, and then also tells a story that a lot of people are a fan of, even here in the west. And that's fine, back then games that were not AAA but maybe single A or AA existed and those were fun. remember that word, fun? imagine that.
@@Keirnoth Yeah, I didn't said that game is bad, but I just say that these numbers are not totally comparable and fair. I heard that in China some companies even gave a 1-day vacation on launch day if you pre-ordered this game. CCP knows well how to make a picture that they want to show.
Remember, success is THE best type of revenge. You’re too busy dealing with success to bother with the negativity from the miserables who try to drag you down. Bonus is their ego is hurt and they fume watching you be successful and happy.
This is what companies need to learn, negative attention isnt always a bad thing, it can actually help , stop trying to avoid negative opinions and just make what you love
@@ChuckTheChosen no, what I'm saying is that this was a strawman built on an article that barely mentioned social problems. Only that some characters that are a major part of the source material were removed/downplayed. Things that geeks routinely review bomb over. Then, they go on to say that those minor story issues aren't playing a role in their score and its more for the bland, repetitive combat, performance issues, etc. The same things all the other reviewers have being pointing out might irk some people.but that's all glossed over because you can create some moral outrage instead with these precious nerds that feel like things aren't made for them anymore. Then you have a bunch of people saying that this middle finger to diversity is the exact reason why they are going to buy a game they weren't even interested in buying to begin with. Incel marketing ploy successful.
This right here. Wouldn’t be surprised if this was a clever psyop setup by the game studio. All they would have to do is leak a few emails and then start posting about it on Twitter/reddit. They saw how successful it made stellar blade and Harry Potter
I think “controversy” is made by these influencers who want shit on DEI and gain some engagement and money from doing this. The devs are kinda surprised about all these
this notice was in fact for all the journalists who got early access to the game. game science wanted the reviews to be rid of sinophobic prejudice & woke bs, and just be 100% focused on the game itself, which imo is nothing wrong. they dont really care about the steamers lol
@@homarika3809I mean, hating on the Chinese government is not sinophobic. It's called being correct. I hate on large governments in general, including our own US government and I have zero qualms about speaking crap about the Chinese government. We just didn't want streamers talking about things that would undermine the Chinese government in general and get the eye of sauron looking at game science the developer. The government does not like being criticized, If they didn't put these rules in there, the developers themselves might end up being disappeared even if it's a random streamer that says it because from the government's point of view, the developer allowed it to happen. If you've been watching Asmongold long enough you can see how there's some parallels between how the current administration in the US and certain Western European governments are acting when they go after someone like Elon musk complaining about so-called hate speech on X. It's actually kind of depressing how it's starting to sound kind of similar between the west and the Chinese government.
@@kibblezzzwhat was the point of this comment? You’re agreeing with his statement and adding nothing. If you are going to comment, add something. If you just agree with nothing to add, there’s a button for that.
I don’t get it, what propaganda do they want? The bosses are a bear, a rat, a tiger, a devil, a dragon , and a monkey. And the main character is a monkey. What kind diversity do people want?
?? are u just gonna ignore the other 90% that was abt censoring anything to do with china ?? LMAO u guys would bend over backwards for anyone that says anything anti-woke 😭
As an Asian, this sort of rules around Buddhism is pretty on brand. In Thailand alone, we have several billboards of people getting arrested or beaten for having a Buddhist tattoo or a Buddha toilet cover. That billboard is just outside the airport exit to let foreigners know what’s up
I'm from thailand and I think that's messed up, yes, it's a real thing, especially when it also comes to criticising the royal family, but it shows the grim reality of how freedom of speech abslutely does not exist
Europe should had done that but now they are almost in a civil war against the sand people, there's even a radical guy who said "acept the islam or leave"
It feels SO good to not be part of a deranged minority and actually be able to laugh about things that are simply funny. It must absolutely suck to be offended by everything.
woke liberals are like dictators , they point you as evil , when you dont do everything they said , the only one i bow down and obey is the one and only GOD , Christ is King , and the holy spirit AMEN
People either don't know what that title means, or can simply dismiss him being childish. Hating China while content farming their games just bleeds hypocrisy.
I wonder where is this notice from? From the official website? And why did this MOONMOON dude do this? Cuz he saw the notice and thought it’s ridiculous?
The best part in this moment in moonmoon stream is that he just have banned an asmon chatter trying to get into serious talk about politics in the chat. OMEGALUL
@@AnshumanKantiBose I'm not American, so i am not against the CCP, i think they form of government is better than this democracy thing, you can have it for yourselfs, for my country this never worked.
@@BrunoOLucido In China you will get tortured for months for saying something bad about the government even if its true... And they also do it if they suspect you have. In America you can say whatever you want about the government Thats what shows if your country is good or not.
@@thestrongestlivingcreature Moron. The chinese government does not allow people under 18 to play online games because they have gacha or in-app purchases , but offline games don't require identity verification, so you can play them freely. Spreading such unverified information only highlights your ignorance
But, American gov never forbids you to talk about 911, Iraq, Taiwan, shit talking about its president, or even talking about other propaganda. The only thing considered as forbidden topics are racist, sexism, and loving underage children 😂. American, china, and russia are crook. Nothing is right. They just want reign as nambah wan cuntry.
The people with money have spoken. Theyre supporting a new ISP that is neutral politically with record breaking release player counts. How this keeps happening, and yet the propagandists still convince studios to tank their game is insane.
Most games are developped over years, the games coming out now started production at the peak of wokeness and couldn't course correct before release. Same reason movies still suck despite 4 consecutive years of losses for the movie industry, they either cancel the project altogether or release it and hope they make some ROI.
Americans need to understand that game developers in another country need to conform to different political climates. In the US, that means virtue signaling by DEI to avoid getting cancelled. In China, that means virtue signaling by not talking shit to avoid getting disappeared.
Brother, no one needs to virtue signal to sell a game in the US, what are you on about? Most of them just like to have diversity, but I guess that's a sin in your book. Also, what political climate in China prohibits feminism? Pretty sure that's just the absolute freakshow at that company trying to hide its ass.
Wow. THANK YOU! After reading the spleen venting on Eurogamer earlier today (which, for me, proved why such a notice had to be sent - along with the DEI stuff of course) this commentary is SUCH a breath of fresh air. And reading the comments here I see that I am not alone. Thanks to you Asmon, and thanks to all of you here. Some modicum of faith in humanity restored, for real. And now finally going home to play Wukong!!!!
Must have been the 1850s, when you were still allowed to lynch your local n-words for any reaons. Good times, good times. America First, ammiright, brother?
@@nidungr3496 You have no clue what a disaster Kamala would be in terms of geopolitics. That airhead diversity hire trying to de-escalate the middle east? She'd get laughed out of the room. Trying to de-escalate potential conflict over Taiwan? Ukraine? Israel? The democrats really could not have picked someone who would be less respected in a meeting with a Xi/Putin type.
Is it bullying to talk about a freak when you see one? Post what you want, but if you talk about how specifically you jerk it to your own game characters, then me calling that out isn't really bullying, is it?
0:55 Although Asmod will never read this, in Norse mythology Loki turned himself into a female horse to distract a stallion then came back pregnant. His child then became the 8 legged horse Odin rides.
I imagine this has more hype than Elden Ring because of ER getting so many more souls players into the series, it’s nice seeing so many more people enjoying the genre I love
Fucking finally, a "no feminist propaganda" rule. I've never heard about this game until now, but that seems pretty good. (also 0:56 was a verbal flashbang)
I love how people are willing to simp CCP just because they banned feminist propaganda. Which I approve, but they also basically banned any critics of them, but that's fine, apparently
I’m been saying this for a while now. The anti-woke crowd are slowly becoming no better than the woke crowd. Them saying complete lies about Hogwarts legacy success, the knee jerk reactions and assumptions to seeing stuff that is seen in woke media without looking into it to see if that’s the case, and supporting a game that have clear issues and problems all because it has hot female characters in it. Both sides have no integrity.
What does the CCP have to do with any of this? Do you think the CCP is bored enough to invest into the gaming industry? No one is praising the CCP at all here, I only see people talking shit about china because its china.
@@acccident3349 did you even watch the video? These requirements are enforced by CCP, not the company itself, and company did it because otherwise they will be f*cked. You're measuring it by the US standards, when government can't censor the private company. CCP doesn't need to invest into anything, they own the whole china
