Black South African and White South African discuss State of South Africa 

Love you Winston

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Love your videos. Respect to you for giving a fair hearing to those who disagree.

"If south Africa is so good.. why are you living in Beijing?" *drops the microphone*

Winston, Dis dieselfde storie elke keer, sodra iemand hulle anvat en uitwys dat hulle verkeerd is blameer hulle die wit persoon. Vat verandwoordelikheid vir jou onoselgeid en hou op uitmaak asof die wit mense so sleg is. Die ergste van alles is dat mens die haat aan voel, dat hulle die "westerse" ideoloë wil verwyder maar hulle geniet BMW's en selfone te veel.

Yes even right now, we have cable theft, potholes, water shortages and some communities don't have power for days on end, it's really bad.

Crazy that such a geographically privelaged country can have so many problems. It is little bit like Argentina except there is less crime. With so many natural resources and fertile land it should be pretty easy to run this country and no need of other crap

Would love for you to interview her today and see her thoughts on her views from the original video haha!

Makes me appreciate living in Boston.

@@MrCharvik All the white people were genocided and ousted, that's what happened.

Agreed. She speaks from "feelings", SerpentZA speaks from facts. She tries to twist facts in order to support her feelings.

It also felt to me that she was more concerned about race and his white privilege more than anything else.

@@mrt737 - And if you haven't been to South Africa, this might seem a bit either "American leftist" (it isn't though) or just "overly concerned". But this is a South African standard. Even though black people make up a large, very large, majority of the population, there is a lot of rules in place in South Africa to promote discrimination in favour of black people - at the expense of everyone else.This is where mentions of not just white people, but also coloured people comes in. There's actually quite a few news clips, South African ones, from South African mainstream media, where coloured people explain that they were better off, had it better, under Apartheid. Not because Apartheid was good in any way (it wasn't) but because what is now is a travesty and even worse. I know, it's a long and deep topic to get in to. And at times, even a difficult one.

Young woman is probably sincere however many people tend to believe government statements Some Jewish people did not believe the trains were taking men women children away never to return. One brave polish jew escaped from a death camp ,he tried to warn other jews in ghetto them response was not As he expected he was vilified even threatened by Jewish leaders the reason was simple the truth was too brutal. Them young man survived the war moved to America.

Who's fault was apartheid it was the whites we've lived under terrible circumstances for most of our life why can't the whites toil through

*Listening to replay !! Nice expression bro !!!*

I have found that most people communicate in that fashion, sad

A nice argument! But both of them are playing the part. Winston said it. He invited her to express her opinion. She's an educated grown up as a result she would have a matured opinion on the situation. As a result her answers to the issues in ZA are already ready...

Thomas H. If that's the case, whites should give back all the gold, silver, and diamonds they took. And move to Britain

espn0o id be in favour of both

The first step to resolve an issue, is to acknowledge that issue. South Africa is currently stuck at the step 0 of a 50.000 steps program...

I made up my mind about SA even before the lady started talking

Zimbabwe all over again.

That's called racism and it's a sign of stupidity...

THE GOOD CONTENT No it’s not racism. I do not think SA is a good country

the movement is making its way around the world

“my friend got killed” “you deserve it because you had it good” sound exactly like what a dictator from Germany said

@@buzzlaw I was in Ghana a two months ago (at a hotel) and I was asked my pronouns.😅

@@tylerdurden3722 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no way

He should have used his white card to get out of that murderous situation.

they are other countries who had communism and wars, no natural resources and they do not use it as excuses in every sentence lol like many Africans

And it only gets worse and worse

Slavery was gone for much longer yet they still use that as an excuse in the USA.

indeed bro

That's exactly what I thought, she is just proving his points

Proving his points but with a excuse for why its happening and why its not a big deal haha.

iPervy ...a delusional excuse.

@@iPervy WOW U GUYS HAVE SOME SOLIDARITY OUT HERE.

Honestly, I think they both were very balanced about it and both want to move on from Apartheid. Yes, her included. Should I point to specific timecodes?

I'm seeing this for the first time and was thinking the same.

Holy shit, man the xenophobia in south Africa Just gets worse every year

She’d be feeling the same, blaming everything on white privilege

@@jetjack74 Did you call her up recently to confirm that? No room for assumptions, its immature on your part. People's pathologies can change with time. Let her speak for herself, and you speak for yourself.

@@acosiak6191 What are you doing? People who act morally righteous are so annoying. Yeah! Tell that guy he should have said "probably"! You tell em! Probably doesn't even know that people change their minds, am I right? Fuck these mansplainers, everybody look at me - I'm a good person!

Some people don't want to move on.

Typical victimhood mentality and culture, believe me it's everywhere. Many black people all over the world think this way and refuse to think otherwise.

If you don't forgive it will never heal there .

Carlos Fdz and that my friend is why Winston has moved on.....to China and far away from her people.

UtamfShapes that’s why we want to live as far away as possible away from them.

Thuggery comes in all forms. Some use weapons, while others use lies, excuses, propaganda, and communism. But it's hard to be consistent when one is a liar.

Only affects them because their parents refused to forgive, and this taught the younger generation to hate. There is a difference between me being an actual victim VS being taught I am a victim and should blame or hate certain people, and justify it.

White Argentinian That's a massive oversimplification but not too far from the truth lol

Also: "The power outages are no longer a problem" "Uh, yes they are." "The power outages are not as much of a problem."

Look to Zimbabwe for the road map. To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher: The trouble with demagoguery is that eventually you run out of other people to blame.

yea that bugged me.

Ares Well some people don't like their home land getting shit on but i do agree with you on her just giving excuses

I'm amazed how Winston didn't lose his temper every time she tried to twist his words against him... Well what can be expected from leftist who has no personal opinion? I don't believe that anything she said were her own conclusions .

apartheid doesn't justify murder and theft of people who took no part in it

If it's true, then there's no denying that!

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JA, THANK U FOR UR HATRED AGAINST SOUTH AFRICA, WE LOVE U AS WHITE PEOPLE BECAUSE U TELL US EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR. KEEP TELLING US HOW WHITE GOVERNMENT UPGRADED INFRASTRUCURE AND HOW BLACK GOVERNMENT DEGRADED IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO HEAR. WE'VE ALWAYS LIKED TO BE SUPERIOR.

@@Man-P Do you feel superior because your people ruined your own country?- That's wicked.

@@Man-P I feel sorry for you

You mean the systematic discrimination against the black population that never ended or the hoarding of wealth by the white population? Or the government of the anc who takes millions in bribes too keep the situation how it is? White people getting their stolen property taken away is not a bad situation, it's decolonization and the population has every right too do so if they feel it is appropriate to move forward. None of these people have the privilege too keep stolen property, foesn't matter if they didn't steal it themselves, if i give a stolen phone to my child it won't make it their property either 💀

Your comment is plainly untrue. Just watch the video again... My family moved to SA in time to experience the 1980s. Most of the country was third world, and in those days there was the danger of criminals and the police were not to be trusted. They'd burst into people's homes at night. I was regarded by the racialized society as "White", and still I didn't like the security state. So I went about happily enjoying all the amenities that were for us designated "Whites" only. Jacob Zuma and many corrupt (not Mandela's generation) ANC cadres have poisoned the system. If we rank SA's post-1939 PMs/presidents from *worst to best* tho (for how they affected *everyone's* lives, it's approx: Verwoerd, Malan, Vorster, Strijdom, Botha, Zuma, Mbeki, de Klerk, Ramaphosa, Smuts, Mandela. (If you're surprised to see Ramaphosa ranked 3rd, he is a deeply decent forward-thinking man, but far too cautious in dealing with the terrible corruption that Zuma entrenched - if Ramaphosa had not been willing to compromise, various corrupt/criminal factions in the ANC would never have allowed him to be elected!)

Well said.

I don't think she's racist. I think she's just brainwashed and regurgitating everything she's heard a million times but never thought about rationally. I must say that I struggled keeping my patience with her, and I wasn't even there. I'm guessing you also sat facepalming every time she spoke. Lol.

She is a result of a racist society that began with oppression against blacks by whites you idiot.

@@handlesareweird she has obvious prejudice against Winston's skin color and accused him multiple times just for being white. She shows essence of racism.

@@democratictotalitariansoci1462 MUH WHYT OPPRESSION

@@CJ-fs1zr The tides are turning

Nevertheless it's good they had this mature conversation.

Serpentza summarized it all in the "China saved my life" video with his shitty car analogy. IIRC he basically said that no matter how shitty a car is, its owner will try to rationalize and see only the good points ("yes there's only space for 2 people and there's no trunk, but that makes it easier to park !", "the headlights don't work, but I never drive at night so I don't care" and so on).

Yeah, Confirmation Bias

Sir Trollalot ..Watch the documentaries that have come out this year about South Africa. Farmlands

There's a difference between violence by criminals and violence by the state. The violence against white farmers has government sanction.

I don't totally believe her

I know the executive who went out to South Africa for the building of power station and the response was that they wanted a 60 /40 split. The executive walked away from the ridiculous offer of the South African greed. This is a true story. The same executive went on to build the Hinckley point nuclear power station in the UK. Fucking cunt corruption has been the most sickening thing for south Africa The level of entitled black people in power are the problem. Just like Serena Williams who was on the way down thought that she was entitled to win. Or kapaernik on the way down in the natural evolution of sport with the underdog replacing the Lords of the game. Same ol same thing with mugabe who should have stood down graciously 25 years ago. But just like the executive who offered the power station is still working on getting cannabis legal in vaping and is not retiring yet. He now has a powerful position in imperial brands. Formerly imperial tobacco Greedy fucking elites on both sides Edit. The black woman is a good example of a kafffer who is riding on the white guys platform that I have been watching for ages. He built the you tube with blood sweat and tears and she came out as an entitled woman from the new south Africa and has the temerity to still pin the white guilt on him. It is just like the jew of ww2 who has made every single person in the world to feel guilty about something they had fucking nothing to do with the great grandparents did.. They exploit guilt. Fucking hypocrisy

@@ralphwiggum250N I know the executive who went out to South Africa for the building of power station and the response was that they wanted a 60 /40 split. The executive walked away from the ridiculous offer of the South African greed. This is a true story. The same executive went on to build the Hinckley point nuclear power station in the UK. Fucking cunt corruption has been the most sickening thing for south Africa The level of entitled black people in power are the problem. Just like Serena Williams who was on the way down thought that she was entitled to win. Or kapaernik on the way down in the natural evolution of sport with the underdog replacing the Lords of the game. Same ol same thing with mugabe who should have stood down graciously 25 years ago. But just like the executive who offered the power station is still working on getting cannabis legal in vaping and is not retiring yet. He now has a powerful position in imperial brands. Formerly imperial tobacco Greedy fucking elites on both sides Edit. The black woman is a good example of a kafffer who is riding on the white guys platform that I have been watching for ages. He built the you tube with blood sweat and tears and she came out as an entitled woman from the new south Africa and has the temerity to still pin the white guilt on him. It is just like the jew of ww2 who has made every single person in the world to feel guilty about something they had fucking nothing to do with the great grandparents did.. They exploit guilt. Fucking hypocrisy

She just doesnt want to admit is going to Zimbabwe soon

Nah, just exaggerated patriotism. I can find plenty of similar excuse-makers for Russia and the US if you'd like, who dismiss all criticism.

Why are you Israelis throwing out Africans? I thought Jews were all for Multiracial/Multiculturalism???

M O I think you don’t know what ( Allah ) means. Don’t ask Muslims, Ask arab christians and they will tell you.

@@benvad9010 where did you hear this

ARE U FOOLISH ENOUGH NOT TO REALISE WHAT U ARE COMPARING IS NOT THE SAME.

Nicely done

@@Man-P I think you need to press shift again.

If you notice she didn't say if it was her race or a different race, it was most likely her own race.

With female mysogenists race trumps gender and she wouldn't risk losing favor from her own male peers for the sake of addressing the nature of the problem for her sisters' sake.

juan tomas The OP didn't say anything about race.

China Expat listen again. She stated it is sad that violence has been normalized and it is a problem in her community.

Yes I know, I was trying to say that most likely if she was attacked it was most likely one from her own race, if it was someone from a different race she would have said so most likely, it's just the way people are.

FUNNY HOW NOW THAT IT'S THE BOERS WHO ARE IN THREAT OF DYING YALL WAVING UR BIG MOUTHS ON THE COMMENT SECTION

This is like a competition in ignorance

@@Man-P what so two wrongs make a right do they?

@@Man-P Why would you kill the only people in that can feed you?

Very well said, It's kind of sad how far we've gotten as a species, but we still can't solve simple problems like accepting that a person holds the same value as any other person regardless of something as simple as the color of their skin.

Can't agree more with Winston......the lady, um not so much...sorry!. Aparteid ended long ago in SA, but, what I found its now become like a "reverse aparteid" with what i believe was even worse than under DeClerk, only the vindictiveness against white people is all craftily covered up by global media is truly disgusting as its not growing or helping SA, but only setting it back further & further. Last time I visited Joburg in 2004, they had the EXACT same issues & back then criminals were faking emergency calls to deliberately rape paramedics like wtf!. 17 years later after my beautiful SA holiday (where i had visited Joburg, Praetoria, Sun City, Magaliesburg, Monty Casino & their awesome lion/safari parks) the ANC seems to be STILL making the same old bs crap excuses, constantly blaming racism whilst amazingly at the same time constantly turning a blind eye to the cartels constantly running white south african farmers out of SA making them flee to Russia (had it not been for Putin they'd be all dead!) or murdering them...such stinking deep hypocrisy which the ANC constantly ignores. I find she's also making the very same crap ANC excuses as they were in 2003/2004 when I was in SA & until the ANC finally stops the blame game & gets off its fat posterior in working for ALL South Africans (like it claimed it would do during their "reconciliation" speeches, nothing will ever change in SA. Visited four ways, sandton, east rand & pff loved Joburg so much & had 2 months of travel withdrawal symptoms when I left because I missed it that much....but Winston is 100000000000% right and I still have friends in Joburg, Durban & CT who tell me same & Winston is 100% on target with everything he says because I saw & see the EXACT same things myselfvwhat people share with me SA people are mostly awesome & I'd even consider living there myself as the climate, food, beautiful people are such positives (Toto was definitely right about the rains & the beauty of the climate & lands & everyone shoukd visit at least once in their lives!), but, the ANC I'm sorry to say sucks donkey balls & the worlds media is also part of the injustice & who also actively & continually covers up their bs & all my SA friends are genuinely scared at the constant escalation in crime & ANCs complete inability to fix these problems & many had shared with me from friends in Joburg whose SA friends were slaughtered, raped, randsacked & more ranging from babies to very old people & is one of the greatest atrocities which most people have never even heard of, except for gems like Winston!. I also call bs on her "fake news" claim that this isn't happening in SA still......that's not what i hear & am told about As I said, IF many "stick their heads in the sand" SA people like this woman & the ANC finally stops this blame game & also 100% wishes to 100% genuinely work with white SA people & 100% drop their ulterior motives to see justices for past wrongs & dismantle the policy of "re-appropriation" aka legalised theft then SA I honestly believe will eventually become the very best country in the world, but, with pigheaded attitudes like this, yet another 17 more years of excuses will pass, yet another stack of good SA people will be murdered or raped & SA will only sink further into the abyss in a never ending spiral. If the ANC simply cannot do this (or doesn't possess the competency) for SA then I'm sorry for my candidness but they seriously need to gtfo of SA....sorry, that the truth hurts. As for Julius....why even ANC allows this to occur in SA society also speaks volumes as they cant blame whites for this malakia, like seriously!. Finally, as an Aussie of Greek descent I really do love SA & wished I could visit again otherwise I'd write nothing about the topic. Never heard Greek music in a sushi bar, Oh I did in Joburg SA!. Love bands like Watershed & Craig W Hinds masterpiece "Indigo Girl", love those oranges of theirs watching the cricket at Wanderers stadium, love the SA parties & SA sense of humor (highveld stereo, you know exactly who I mean!), love SA braai, love proper SA biltong, love boerewors & carpaccio bok....pff this is such an injustice to see SA suffer needlesly like this. SA brought us Elon Musk, the Nikola Tesla of the 21st century & we allow SA to sink like this, still!. Sending my love and support also to SA RU-vidrs ie Winston (goes without saying!), Kurt Kaz & so many more & thanks deeply so much Winston for sharing this as media/journos outside SA say nothing. Peace out & stay awesome!

And now a third question... How does she think SA is doing these days with all the looting and fires and general apocalyptic shit going on?

probably forever and her kids and grandkids will think the same.

Forevermore

Just look in the US. They are still blaming the white people150 years later. It will never stop. Here or there.

victimhood is profitable these days, of course it's all the "wypeepos" fault.

True, I understand that, however, it's disappointing to see. The amount of illogical hoops you have to jump to attribute all troubles/problems/suffering to one group of people is appalling. If you think this way about this one thing, then just imagine all of the irrational meanderings and thoughts these people have about other topics. Not good my friend, not good.

Tswanas in Botswana. They're one of the best African countries with 0 corruption, 0 debt and amazing values

ArisenMind you’re stupid. Apartheid stopped in the 90s. Which means that black had no rights. At least African Americans got their human rights in the 60s

Arisen the issue is you're a dumbass. No black person who knows their history would say such a thing. You still have western countries, and now eastern, playing Game of Thrones in Africa.

This educated black South African woman seems not that educated at all, she still holds similar opinions as most black South Africans do. If the black people in SA cannt figure out their own issues and keep blaming others, this country will never be a safe and good place to live in.

Great comment so true

Yes. Its facts vs emotions bc its man vs woman. Talking two topics as always. Insightful.

What thoughts are you talking about, though? On one hand you say she's educated, right after you say, God help SA? You don't make any sense. It's obvious he hardly identifies as South African, he could give two s**ts about Africa and I doubt it's a recent change. You really think SA or any country is going to be improved by an ethnic group with outsider beliefs?

@@johnyankee6999 They're not well educated. A degree from a South African uni means nothing nowadays unfortunately

He is on camera so off course.

His time in China has taught him that.

Yes say whatever you want about him but this interview showed that he is a pretty classy person he never lost patience with her

Respects

It's painfull to watch this video. She's probably not a bad person, but seems very indoctrinated.

And I just want to add that you both were very well spoken.

If you give platform to someone you can of course debunk them, but if you INVITE them on it would look bad on him if he did. I agree though, I did the entire time.

If I roll my eyes any more, they're gonna get stuck back in my head

He invited her to give her the chance to explain her point of view. Being negative would defeat the point. The audience can make up their own mind without Serpentza telling them how to feel.

Basically every black SA'er

one excuse for everything......white people did it!!

Yes, she warned that it's dangerous to give his "WHITE" opinion and that he should STFU, because she's a black supremacist.

The whole interview is cringe worthy.

@@MrNopehaha smh

@@BosenPoker agreed

What we have here is a person from a majority telling the minority he doesn't have an opinion. SA is dead

I think its more about the brain drain problem they have: www.thesouthafrican.com/read-gov-to-limit-emigration-by-tracking-those-leaving-sa-for-more-than-three-months/ All the white people leaving would mean a lot of skilled people leaving. That would create a lot of problems. It would also mean a lot of companies and capital leaving despite the rather high cut of the later the government takes.

The loss of tax payers is having a serious effect .

Dumbest stuff I ever read

Now you become racist you know.

youknow ant ... I cant tell if you are objecting to G.M.A.s statement or the statement he referenced in quotes?

Jacques Pasquinel no she is the REAL SOUTH AFRICAN NOT LIKE YOU

Winston is a gentleman, but I feel he is accommodating her because: 1. if the SA government stops his passport, he gets thrown out of china, 2. He is aware of threats to family back home if they dont like his position. Shoot the boer ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qm9nUhTFYfM.html

Definitely a real south africa, blame apartheid and praise the anc. You can blame apartheid past mistakes but you cant blame anc past mistakes, like she said move on from jacob zuma and power cuts but you cannot move on from apartheid. Typical south african hypocrites.

Not really, nobody in China gives a crap one way or the other. ;)

That's called discussion and nuance. The world isn't black and white. That may be too complicated for you.

Good call @Cornland Wasteland

Sorry, but she never disagreed about the violence. She even said she has been attacked several times

Yeah what she said is its getting better - I dont wanna imagine how it was when it was through the drain...

Her definition of "better" is "blacker".

【This lady seems way off and politically sided.】 Does it ever occur to you that this black lady might have a even tougher life story than Winston? Maybe from her perspective/experience SA is getting better. Winston grew up in a white neighborhood, and that environment is deteriorating indeed. But that white neighborhood is not where she is from. Winston does not share the same SA with that lady! SA is 90% black and that is absolute majority. From Winston's perspective, he is absolutely right to move on from SA. When wealth and ethnicity is so unevenly distributed, nothing good can come from it.

She looks like someone who would preach about white science and it being racist

She asked SerpentZA an open question. Which means he could have answered it anyway he wished. He chose to mostly mention European influences and identity. He chose not to include anything African or South African in terms of culture in his answer. This was clearly his choice.

SHE IS SA SPECIAL AGENT! DONT U GET IT?

The use of accusations of White Privilege to elicit guilt is a learned power play. If you don't provide any positive basis on which to shame you, your failure to disavow your privilege (or, in this case, the Apartheid system) with sufficient vigor will do nicely. It was a civil conversation overall, but a pointed one. Rather than simply respond to his earlier statements with facts such as the reduction in power outages, she felt at liberty to bring in neo-marxist dialectics to try to establish moral superiority. Some people do this with aggressive intent, but in her case I think it was a reflexive defense mechanism, to compensate for nervousness or insecurity.

You get red-pilled when you realize white Europeans are the least racist, most accommodating and most generous and yet most hated in the world.

Looking back, I can't nail down exactly when making statements that are racist toward Caucasians/Europeans became not just not shameful but virtuous, but I for one have run out of patience with the lack of perspective and abject ignorance of reality and history that it reflects.

And so is South Korea. And Taiwan. LOL

@@chiyoko4244 The Republic of China - aka Taiwan - is a much younger democracy (~1995). South korea is a much older democracy (1979)

@TheOriginal GGHarasser Her friends/family must be working for the government. That's all.

They do it every time. Complain about colonials (which has some validity) but when colonials go and leave behind the infrastructure they built, they don't maintain it or improve on it, they destroy everything and fall to corruption and crime. You're right, she is delusional.

It is devolving. Just look at the unfinished projects that were stopped in mid build. It would look like a calamity happened and the building just ceased to someone that didn't know what was going on. Roads going nowhere ending in mid-air, buildings that were never quite completed and are filled with criminals, and on and on. I'm not from there but I've never heard a more rosy picture painted than what she is trying to sell. I think some don't want to admit that the country has slowly went down hill since the 90's because they are afraid it would give validity to the segregation that existed before.

@@MaTtRoSiTy Countries with post-colonial nationalism all possess certain level of negativity bias, I think.

It's really sad that people with worse mindset than her get to decide about future of country. I don't know whether it's her denial about state of matter or she simply sympathizes with those radical leftists in power... Whatever is the truth we can all agree that she is 100% delusional and this serves as evidence of how SA is going to become Zimbabwe 2.0 . Speaking from European standpoint, we should soon give free resident visa to White South Africans because this will become much greater problem as it progresses , and we shouldn't leave another black mark on historical timeline.

I thought that was a huge miss as well. Sad! She had to think for a minute to come up with this.

Its funny, they didn't start out by knowing how to farm.

Because she’s gifted with an IQ70

@@benvad9010 I beg to differ, now let me turn this conversation around in a circle. African has done nothing wrong, we are peaceful people.

@@Ghost572 Yea, its why all people are getting murdered and burned right?

Her crony relatives are embezzling whatever they can and that’s how her jaunt to Beijing is paid for.

Lol

Lol dying 😂

And low IQ.

Not really. Moral relativism is about metaethics, not about not being judgemental about others actions. It just has to do with the origins and nature of goodness and badness. Like if you believed morality was objective then you would have to prove the origins of morality objectively. Like can you derive morals from nature, or can you derive them like a platonic solid. Moral relativism would say that morality is structural or morality is utility. That's not to say that structural or utility morals are worthless, but they are not objective and thusly subject to change based on its utility or time.

“I want to have my cake and eat it too.” Then I DO NOT want to accept RESPONSIBILITY if something goes wrong.🙅🏿‍♀️ Is this MORAL RELATIVISM………………………………………………………….or CHILDISHNESS, IMMATURITY, SELF-INTEREST and SELFISHNESS!?🧐 🎓There are two types of practical moral relativism: individual and cultural. Individual moral relativism is the idea that values vary from person to person and each person has their own valid set of morals. There is no concept of correct moral principles; everything is based on what an individual desires. The problem with individual moral relativism is that it lacks a concept of guiding principles of right or wrong. “One of the points of morality is to guide our lives, tell us what to do, what to desire, what to object to, what character qualities to develop and which ones not to develop,” said Jensen. If morality is already based on personal desire, he continued, there is no way to distance oneself from a situation to find a truly objective moral ground and make a decision based on what is right. Cultural relativism suggests that a “culture has various standards and those constitute morality.” This viewpoint solves the guidance problem, but also raises the issue that most people identify with several different cultures which could have oppositional values. There is also the issue of tolerance. While thinkers of cultural relativism are clear that it is wrong to impose one’s own cultural values over another, some cultures hold a central value of intolerance. An example given by Jensen was religious extremist groups. In those cases, groups often have a moral principle of destroying cultures that are different than theirs, thus unseating the notion that cultural relativism is always tolerant. For tolerance to be a true part of cultural relativism, Jensen explained, “tolerance has to be regarded as a universal moral value” which makes it no longer relative.🎓

@@ZacharyBittner How much did you pay to be proud of not understanding a very simple concept? Moral relativism - Philosophical positions about the differences in moral judgments across peoples and cultures. You don't even have to look it up in a dictionary. Do you know what morals are? Do you know what relative means? Wow, look at that. "thusly" lmao. We're all sooooo impressed. Meta-ethics* is concerned with the nature of ethical theories and moral judgments. It's very broad term in which moral relativism is a proposed answer to one of the many questions derived from meta-ethics.

@@chungboislim2061 You are so right! :D Trying to sound so intellectual by saying absolutely nothing of substance. So cringe

Hey winston!!..you're more than welcome to stay in America we love you very much Little brother. Greeting from California.

He can say whatever the Hell he wants to say about that shithole of a country.

THIS GUY DOESN'T HATE POLITICS

Anti-Marxsist ZA maybe the apartheid system created so much imbalance between the poor and the rich white and black that all of the country's money had to be spent trying to addressed that to prevent total collapse or even violence that could lead to lead to civil war

she was yes

No it is not and you saying that it's actually racists and stupid. Of course you should take into account other points of views. Logic is based on knowledge and knowledge is based on experience. Every person experiences different things and a white person might have some knowledge and a black person have have other kind of knowledge. It's impossible for a white person to have the exact same life experience and therefore knowledge of a black person so yeah, we should hear different perspectives. Not only based on skin color but in gender, in income, in age, nationalities, etc. You are just an imbecile racist that wants to hide his stupidity behind a flag of logic and truth. So fucking pathetic...

Pasos Largos, If that is the most bigoted thing you have ever heard you need to get out more........please.

It's racist because it's based solely on the fact he's white. Which shouldn't matter anyway because as a human I should be able to empathize with a black person and understand they suffering because things like class and suffering are universally understood, if we took what she said seriously she would be in favor of non-interracial relationships because apparently she thinks black and white people are so different that they can't mate because of our "experiences"., that's like saying white and black people are different biologically which may have not been what she meant. But much like how some things are implicitly racist. This was implicitly racist. Also, logic is logic, logic is in no way shape or form based on personal experience. You obviously did not take logic in college. Also if your argument can literally apply to anything and everything in that given topic or field. It's a bad argument because that means it proves anything has truth value. Not just things that are true.

Maybe that was an exaggeration but it is, nevertheless, bigoted.

Logic is not based on experience. Logic and objectivity is something else entirely. To say I was trying to hide behind that is ridiculous. She said his white only perspective is dangerous and that's a ridiculous thing to say. It would be like saying her black perspective is dangerous. It's not. It's just their perspective. Nobody is saying that we shouldn't hear different perspectives but to say that one perspective is more dangerous than another due to the race of the holder is a bit bigoted. Pointing that out doesn't make me a racist. The fact that you think it carries such weight means that you might be though.

Scribbles? I wanted to know what lex taliones meant and now I do (an eye for an eye) so that's on you.

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Every black the world over thinks like that the world over.

I seem to recall that he did frame that statement about two people, one black, one white, starting farms. As them both starting out on equal footing in their wealth, education and background. You're right. She did give a cop out answer. It really seemed like she just couldn't stop herself from disagreeing with him. Even though she agreed with everything he said. A great example of the current environment in S. Africa right now.

She can participate in a thought experiment implying "all else being equal" because to her, things are NEVER equal, because race.