Imagine, the copycat being more rewarded and recognized, on the other hand the original creator didn’t make a huge success, I get his sentiments calling Black Swan downright rip-off despit Black Swan’s director admitting he took so much from Perfect Blue
The director of black swan bought the copyright of Perfect Blue and now hast the legal right to use it; however, I do agree that the original director deserves more than what he has received
@@soufala nah, that was debunked by Satoshi Kon himself few years ago. There's only so much you can call a homage. It was a blatant rip-off, as easy as that. And for note, Aronofsky didn't even denied Perfect Blue as an inspiration for Black Swan.
@@x-49nightraven He has tho. He, quote on quote, said: "Not really, there are similarities between the films, but it wasn’t influenced by it. It really came out of Swan Lake the Ballet, we wanted to dramatize the ballet, that’s why it’s kind of up here and down there, because ballet is big and small in lots of ways."
I’m shocked. Black Swan has long been my number one film. I knew he borrowed from Japanese cinema before when I noticed a scene from “The Fountain” was literally from “Ikiru”, but I didn’t realize just how extensive and thorough he is in recreating imagery.
There's also the name of Perfect Blue protagonist, that is MIMA and in Black Swan...... drum roll......... NINA. In Requiem from a Dream he copied a bathtub scene, angle to angle, from Perfect Blue. /watch?v=vt0ulBpi2zA
Darren Aronofsky has been literally plagiarizing Japanese cinema for a long long time, the problem isn't his only using some similar shots. The problem is he is basically utilizing other's ideas for his whole movie
@Ericairline Darren has flatly denied time and time again that he was inspired by Perfect Blue in Swan Lake, he only admitted it in Requiem because Satoshi talked about it, later when Aronofsky was talking about Satoshi he said many false things that Satoshi had denied, and even Darren had later contradicted himself in statements, Darren no longer cares about saying falsehoods because Kon is dead and he cannot deny him.
I think it’s fine to remake a film but not giving credit (what Aronofsky and Nolan did) and then acting like u were never inspired by those films is EXTREMELY weird
Aronofsky actually talked about Kon in 2000s and 2010s a little bit as his "inspiration". He tried to buy tights to Perfect Blue to recreate the bath scene in Requiem. But yeah - he should be much more open about this. Nolan, on the other hand, has a mystery about Kon's inspiration. Inception was pitched in 2002 as a complex horror movie, 4 years before Kon's movie and few after Paprika's novel was published. Yet - he somewhere around Batman Begins/The Dark Knight he began to play with idea for Inception and change it into scifi heist movie. There is theory that Nolan hadn't seen Paprika (he said he did after watching Inception), but he was told about it from a friend of his - Darren Aronofsky, whose description of Paprika's plot gave him some ideas.
I get the anger that Black Swan is more recognized in the west and Aronofsky should have been more forthcoming about the inspiration, but come on! All film and media is about allusion and intertextuality! It’s a big part of what enriches texts like books and films! Vergil’s Aeneid was basically a propagandized reworking of Homer, but that’s part of what makes it a rich text!
@@Kieran_JSL i have no idea where you got the idea that kon gave his blessing for anything that appears in black swan. aronofsky denied taking inspiration from him even back when he ripped off perfect blue the first time in requiem for a dream.
A lot of these shots are a reach. Try watching anything other than anime. Expand your horizons. And yes, I'm aware Arronofsky bought the remake rights but there are a ton of psychological horror films with the same setups and shots.
@@kingomar69 why else would aronofsky buy the remake rights to perfect blue if he wasn’t planning to rip elements from it for black swan? especially when you consider just how similar the two films are plot wise. like, you really think this is all a big coincidence?
Just finished watching Perfect Blue a week ago and immediately noticed the similiarities it had with Black Swan, so I scoured the internet looking for information if Darren Aronofsky was paying a homage to Satoshi Kon's masterpiece but all I found out was him apparently denying its influence when the similarities are crystal clear. So I think this is a case of plagiarism and Aronofsky getting away with it because Satoshi Kon is lesser known. Absolutely despicable.
thanks for the heads up. I've always felt like DA was just a little off the mark with his movies. Luckily I saw Perfect Blue first. You can feel it in your bones when it's coming from a real place in the creator's soul, so to speak.
Today i watched perfect blue for the first time and thought this is literally black swan, also i noticed that bathtub scene from requiem for a dream. My respect for aronofsky went downhill
As it should, guy literally got rich pilgarizing Japanese films while satoshi kon could not even afford first class ticket in airplane. I tell you, Hollywood is such piece of ....
I love the part in Black Swan where she’s a pop star who gives up singing to become a low-rate actress, and ends up filming a rape scene and taking nude photos while her former bandmates become more successful. All the while being stalked by a creepy internet fan who seems to be killing the people who wronged her. Man, what a rip-off!
The Red Shoes (1948) inspired both Perfect Blue and Black Swan. If you want to call out Aronofsky for plagiarism that's fine, but you need to watch Red Shoes as well, otherwise your opinion is coming from a place of ignorance. In all 3 films the performer becomes lost in their role, and their identity and grip on reality starts to slip away. All 3 are great films and unique in their own ways. If you want to see what actual plagiarism looks like watch Yojimbo and Fistful of Dollars. I love both movies but the latter is one of the most blatant ripoffs ever. Fortunately Sergio proved himself as a unique artist in his own right with his subsequent films.
it's still a great movie from what I heard, just a shame that perfect blue never got officially credited Nolan did a great job crediting Paprika in the Matrix as well as ghost in the shell
I have a huge problem with calling it plagiarism. There’s a lot of similarities. But, each have their own unique things about them. It’s not so cut and dry. Also directors rip off each other all the time. Tarentino steals almost all of his shots and no one complains.
it doesn't matter to me if the director takes an idea and makes it into his own, if it's well done just like black swan, the references and the shots borrowed could be acceptable as Aronofsky did a good job anyways, but perfect blue is stupidly underrated, anime films need more recognition
Darren Aronofsky has been literally plagiarizing Japanese cinema for a long long time, the problem isn't his only using some similar shots. The problem is he is basically utilizing other's ideas for his whole movie
@@hatelovebowel4571 you are right, but 'the whale', 'pi' and 'requiem for a dream' are totally original ideas and are spectacular movies, which imo can make up for his stolen stuff
@@hatelovebowel4571 I agree and disagree. Black Swan is a pretty typical story of "passion turned into madness". A lot of "creative shots" are actually a classic psychological thriller shots from giallo mixed with some different lenses and cinematography style. While there are shots that are inspired by Perfect Blue, both of those films are truly different and both are pretty good. Yet, I think Satoshi Kon's movies should be more popular.
the two is just different blue is about a retired insane idol that killed one man while an imposter stalks her while swan is just about a ballet dancer that wants nothing but perfection fyi my opinions on the movie different storyline tho
Not really. If you watch perfect blue till the end, the girl never actually become an idol, it's all just her trying to "repair" a traumatic past (probably being rapp*d) by making a whole story of her being an idol and had to make that scene in the movie. That's why when she had to do that scene, the whole traumatic event come into her mind (where she was gangbang*d by a lot of men) She wants to believe her being rapp*ed never actually happened and it's all just an act.
So many ignorant people in the comments whining/b!tching about 'plagiarism' but are obviously oblivious to the term 'homage'. Stay at the kiddie table lads, let the mature people appreciate works of art.
these two movies are nothing alike in my opinion... I love Perfect Blue, it's one of my favorite movies of all time, and i like Black Swan too, but i think they're totally different movies (and no, not because of one of them is animated and the other is live-action). They may have some very small similarities, but I could never understand why people always compared these two to the other.
Obviously they took a lot of scenes from Perfect Blue but they tried to change it a bit so it's not too similar, if you understand the plot of both of these movies then you'll understand that black swan has indirectly remade perfect blue.
So apparently Daren Arnovski bought the right of Perfect Blue in US even before he did Requiem for A dream. So not saying Satoshi Kon shouldn’t get credits for this but this is frankly less bad as i thought it was… at least the intention was honest.
@@doburu4835 really? because there's an interview in The Illusionist, a documentary on Satoshi Kon 10 years after he passed, where Darren gushes about Perfect Blue and how he had never seen any piece of anime like it at the time the parallels in Black Swan are undeniable, and the Requiem bathtub scene is 100% identical to the one in Perfect Blue. To deny the influence is to just straight up lie
@@yw9238 Apparently he tried to buy the rights so he could use the bathtub scene in Requiem but wasn't able to. Didn't stop him using the scene anyway. To claim he'd never seen an anime he was actively negotiating the rights to and also having duplicated such a scene exactly prior to making Black Swan is quite a ret-con on his part! Doesn't make his defense of Black Swan look too good.
This isnt a copycat... This is cinema referencing itself... I believe that the creator of Perfect Blue ignited these plagarism allegations out of anger that his career never took off in the same way it did abroad.
and now the world also got to know how immoral, uninspired, and untalented American directors are that one of their best work is just outright plagiarism LOL
Not only that is stupid, it’s also racist. Aronofsky stolen Satoshi Kon’s works, blatantly lies about it, and Kon should be “grateful”? Have you lost your mind?
@@ufinc that’s not how real world works dumbass💀that’s how greedy ungrateful people operate. There are literally laws created for defending the rights of someone’s work. Unfortunately, Satoshi Kon is dead and will never be able to sue. However, as these movies got exposed for blatant disrespectful plagiarism, they will have less and less value for society in the future and people finally redirect the energy to whom it’s actually worth giving. So shut up about “real world”, you definitely don’t live in one.
El director del cisne negro, compró los derechos al autor de perfect blue. Iba a hacer una edición con actores del mismo ánime pero al final decidió basarse en la trama para hacer su película
