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She's good, probaly does more damage then blade........ but in my opinion she feels so MISERABLE to use without kafka.......again my opinion(which on meta takes its wrong 30% of the time)

@@treasure9342 she feels miserable if u dont have her sign if u missing kafka

Her Arcana count as Wind Sheer (idk if it was addressed in the video or not i havent finished it) therefore Sampo e4 will be able to trigger it, on top of that, sampo will be triggering his own DoT 5 times in ST situation, adding 5 more arcana stack (if you have enough ehr) so no, she does not feel miserable without kafka, in fact, she doesnt feel much different with either of them, what youre thinking about is the feeling of using kafka vs using sampo itself, which is a whole different topic

@@menacingmenace7422 agree but the difference of her sign and the other alt is like huge huge. Also it boils down with what u wanna do with her, so not getting her LC is not crucial.

​@@menacingmenace7422Lil misinfo : You cannot Add more than 3 Arcana per attack on sampo

There’s a leak of a female sustain that has DoT synergy coming in the future. I don’t remember her name though.

@@aienjellI’m in there like swimwear when they drop

We going full Mommy on this one.

​@@aienjelldidn't see anything about that on the leak sub, any sources?

@@gabiblack Jiaoqiu the character's name I think.

Yeah she feels a lot like topaz with ratio she can use other charecters to get some of her synergy but Kafka and ratio respectively bring out 100%

the TCs i did hear from said this. idk where he got the quote "BS sucks without kafka". he's calling out TCs pre-release takes, but TCs' takes were a lot more nuanced than he makes them out to be in this video. especially with e4 sampo who can detonate the stacks

Current pure fiction I split Swan and Kafka a few times and it was totally fine! Together though, it was absolutely silly, Swan's arcana from her technique just wasting full waves the moment they spawn. I struggled pretty hard with the previous PF and this one was 12 stars without really trying.

​​​​@@maevethefox5912 it's because current PF turbulence is literally made for her 1. Increase DoT taken by 50% 2. Decrease DMG taken based on DoT applied by 30% 3. Advanced forward enemies turn by 35% DoT is dealt by *breaking enemies toughness and at the beginning of enemies turn* . They (hoyoverse) know Black Swan is heavily back loaded, just like every DoT character. Usually, to fix this you can use Kafka. Because she can procs DoT *outside breaking toughness and enemies turn* . Of course, they want to sell on rate up character. But, not everyone has Kafka. So how to sell Black Swan on her own without Kafka? Just make the enemies faster (3). Without this turbulence, I'm sure she can still clear it on her own. But the difference is pretty huge eh? Your Black Swan team is 30%-50% stronger if you have Kafka.

I have so many nihility units I can build 2 dot teams for bot sides now. I can slap Kafka with the first one and Swan on the second and just steam roll now. Rip Selee you did you best.

Finally someone said it like you don't really need Kafka to make Black Swan better all you need is a good build a good strategy and team then you're fine

Yeah, her skill def shred makes her a lot more reliable than pela since it’s not tied to her ult, and lasts 3 turns, plus her arcana has a chance of adding more def reduction or other effects, she’s so good for dr ratio especially if you don’t have silver wolf

What team do you use with BS and Ratio?

@@femmenic well now I use her as Hyper Carry with Ruan Mei, Huo Huo and Tingyun. When I used her with Ratio it was Ruan Mei, Ratio, Black Swan, and Fu Xuan. Also I have Black swan E2 and Ruan Mei E1. I have only pulled on supports and sustain banners. Black Swan and Ratio really are my only DPS 5 stars besides Himeko.

Couldnt be more proud of the chad sampo

I mean they skipping bcz limited bc even he is very good but he is the worst gen2 atk so yeah that why we are skip him not bcz hes bad bcz limited bc 😂

"Weakest gen 2 attacker" is a whole lot like "poorest billionaire"

It was so funny people arguing about skipping a character

@@naufalsyauqifillah6388 Who cares about good or bad when you have your husband on one game and wife on the other? Husbando/waifu>meta.

​​@@cakegoodI feel like a lot of them were trying to justify skipping him for the bianca skin Like its alright to choose what you like but he coping is too funny.

The boss legit solidifies I am going to get him

Fu Xuan and Black Swan for me is the top tier, base on animation

Also, her ultimate is the only one that looks normal to me on regular speed

You don't mean the goofy ray of fire coming from the sky, right?

@@YuriDSC wym goofy, they literally fly in the air, soar with the flames in the sky, then strike down with MASSIVE punch.....and if u had Five skill point then enjoy ur party getting one shot

As someone with E1 Ruan Mei, can confirm. She holds my dumpster squads together like flex tape.

For real. Bros not even mentioning he threw everything into atk. Hell I'm at 2.3k with 119 ehr/err/penachony. If I can get my dead stats into spd my bs could very well reliably two turn ult.

Smack: “JY is perfectly fine” Comment: “BUT… BUT… HE NEED TINGYUN, FUXUAN TO SUPPORT HIM, HES MID” Smack: “BS is perfectly fine” Comment: “AH ITS OKKAY MOMMAA, YOU CAN DO 3 CYCLE WITH NO SUSTAIN 🥰”

@@aihikura no hate to any though, but the duality just funny 😀

Does Gui work with her? I have E4 Gui, but E0 sampo :c

​@toharuplaysgenshin69420 -Pretty much all DoT units work with her as far as I've tested- it's just that some ( obvious ) units are better synergy wise I haven't tested Luka yet though

its actually bcs of break effect sampo

@@pixelrose_ not just break effect lol I literally tested it myself with and without Black Swan.

If someone has to convince you to pull for a unit. You shouldn’t. Pull for whoever u want If they’re meta even better

why do you want sparkle?

@@shonenhikada9254 because I'm a Dan Heng IL haver. I need her to boost my SP gain and my damage.

At the end of that day u wanna have Ruan Mei huohuo or other DoT characters right?

Unless you're speedrunning for the flex, the alternatives are fine.. I also don't see how it's easier to pull 3 5 stars on concurrent banners than it is to get at least E4 on the 4 stars that were featured on said banners

@@grammysworld5449 e1 ruan mei + e0 black swan = 3 5 star characters E0 kafka + E0 Black Swan + E0 Ruan mei = 3 characters. its the same, the problem is when you make it seem like she doesn't need a limited 5 star to be cracked and run her with Ruan mei E1, which is the single most cracked e1 in the game. It's also not just e4 on these characters, he has max super imposition on all their lightcones, tingyun e6 btw (not e4), has s5 dance dance dance, thats like a baby bronya on ult, in addition to the energy. What he did was impressive, but its the same amount of investment (pull wise, arguably more) to use this team, over kafka, Rm, bs and a lynx

@@regail7143 I never said anything about her needing or not needing anything to be cracked.. I'm just saying the average player probably doesn't have all 3.. I'm testing her now and she seems passable without (Kafka who I couldn't pull on due to circumstances but have on my alt).. Maybe it's just me, I've never really went for the optimal build in PVE games because it's not needed.. She isn't absolutely busted without them I know, but she still seems good without Kafka.. Only my personal experience as a DOT player. She seems a bit mid without Ruan Mei, but that's pretty much all DOT characters. Can't really argue your 2nd point because I pull on LC banners alot so I have a bunch of S3-5s.. Unless you're winning most 50-50s and getting terrible luck on the featured 4 stars, I just don't see how it's easier to have 3 5 stars than 1-2 4 stars with dupes that were featured on the banners those 5 stars came on.. You don't need E6 4 stars either from my and other DOT players testing to get a good run as DOT players aren't trying to 0 or 1 cycle. Again, just based on my own experience having no issues with her viability while running a bunch of E3-4 4stars with her.. Sorry for the long comment

@@grammysworld5449 5* are guaranteed to be obtained. 4* aren't. In my Personal experience it took me 69 pulls to get E0 Luka on Kafka's first run, and I got her in the first 20. It took me 118 pulls to get E0 Lynx back in FX's first banner in which I got E0 FX and E0 Gepard. I have seen people get E1 Black Swan before E2 Misha. Are you mean to tell me that getting E4 or 6 of a 4* is easier/less resource heavy than getting two or three 5*? And we aren't even talking about having to go out of your way to not pull for characters to get LCs. Tell me, which is easier/less resource draining?

With E1 her usability is even more pronounced due to the 25% res shred across all DoT type

That's essentially a Ruan Mei ult

Shes gonna be strong with any DOT that triggers DOT on command since those attacks trigger Arcana.

.... Kafka is the unit that increases stack.

@@Kspice9000 kafka increases as much stack as an e4 sampo can, obviously kafka shine much more in aoe with her ult, but if we are only talking about stacking arcana in MoC then sampo or kafka stack all the same for the most part

If you have E4 Sampo then he is better than Gui.

Exact same thing. I have 55 pulls with 30 pity in

Archeron has such a phoned in design…like a four year old drew flames all over her

ive got 180 pulls saved for sparkle, acheron and maybe her lc if i can save a bit more or if im lucky. Only thing im scared of is jingliu's re run being in the same banner as acheron

Heck man, I want BS, Sparkle, Acheron, Fuxuan, Huohuo but I'm at 50/50. These banners are killing me 😭

​@@Sarrr1what?

Any unit that detonates DOT is good with her. E4 Sampo should be enough.

Honestly if he just put Kafka there she would have cleared faster by 2 cycles, and that’s a fact. Plus, Kafka works against any weakness while sampo will only perform decently against wind weak enemies.

@@tieAcherry101no Kafka is not clearing faster

Unless it's E4 bs in pure fiction

wait i just realised he is not using healer lol thats such a fake "presentation" then, lol its not a normal team for common use nice scam thx for ur comment)

@@try2fly Yeah, he also disregarded Sampo e6. But e5 he get talent and ultimate at lvl 12 and e6 he takes 15% less damage which makes easier to run an party with no healer. Idk if can be considered an scam, but it seems Smack just want to be right compared to other theory crafters. 🙄

you only need tingyun for her ult and still run kafka

There will be more in the future trust me