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Blacksmith Blower Rebuild: Part 1 - Disassembly and Making Pinion Gear Blanks 

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org
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This is the first in a series of videos where I work on making a new set of gears for an antique blacksmith blower that is needing a major overhaul for the Georgia Museum of Agriculture in Tifton, GA. The old gears in this unit were starting to strip out and the shafts were worn way down below the bushing sizes so that it was leaking a lot of oil out from the bearings. Should be a fun project!

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@wrstew1272
@wrstew1272 Год назад
Isn’t it ironic that a metal worker was once one of the most relied upon members of the town. Now we are “historical eccentrics”. That era is ending, and the worth of the mechanically education is starting to be a valuable vocation (of course to the few forward thinking). You are a very valuable resource!😊😊
@raincoast2396
@raincoast2396 9 лет назад
World made by hand. I truly think in the future there will be much more hand made things. Along with, Recycle. Repair. Reuse. Goes to show you what "quality" meant to the older, past generations of craftsmen. Good job Keith. Cheers.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Rain Coast I sure hope so. There is a lot of "re-purposing" of antique "things", but I don't see a lot of restoration really going on. So much of old industrial equipment is being turned into dining room table, chairs, and whatnot, which really disturbs me....
@swarfrat311
@swarfrat311 9 лет назад
Keith, Thanks for the trip down memory lane! (My grandfather was a blacksmith.) About 60 or so years ago, I would love to turn the crank for the forge blower. If he was doing some forging on Saturday, he's call the house. (We were about 1/4 mile apart.) I'd drop what I was doing, jump on my bike and ride down to the workshop. Those days are fond memories for me. I was helping my grandpa make something from steel! I thought it was fun! Some folks out there no doubt feel I should be committed! But times were different in the mid to late 1950s. We never locked the house at night. Folks were honest. Kids didn't need a ton of stuff to be happy. My cousins and I made our own fun, and I have fond memories of that time as well. The only things I hated was shoveling out the chicken house or moving the manure pile by the cow barn! (My grandpa used it to fertilize the orchard and vineyard.) Enough of me rambling! Thanks for the video and allowing me some time travel back to my childhood. Have a good one! Dave
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Swarf Rat Thanks Dave - when I get the blower running, I am hoping to get some shots of the blacksmith at work with it in the museum blacksmith shop!
@sinclairopaline
@sinclairopaline 9 лет назад
Just seeing the pictures and title that's monumental making gears. I suffered in a shop making just a few gears. Its so slow and the patience required is painful. That's what make Keith a "MACHINEIST"
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
***** I have made a few gears in my days. We also had a huge job in the shop back in the day where we milled splines on hundreds of shafts. I spent weeks at the horizontal mill cranking on the dividing head.....
@chrisstephens6673
@chrisstephens6673 9 лет назад
A job that, when finished, gives a great deal of satisfaction. I always get a kick out of fixing things that others think only fit for the recycle bin. This job is true recycling. Keep 'em coming. ATB c
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Chris Stephens Thanks - it would probably be cheaper to just buy another old blower, but why not fix it up like new?
@chrisstephens6673
@chrisstephens6673 9 лет назад
Yes, indeed.
@pierresgarage2687
@pierresgarage2687 9 лет назад
Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org After all it's a museum....! You don't think of filling up a museum with brand new stuff..
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
pierre beaudry Absolutely right! That is why we do so much restoration work.
@chrisstephens6673
@chrisstephens6673 9 лет назад
Not quite anybody, but i do get your point, and in the same vein, it rather depends which western design they stole for their cheap and nasty copies.
@johnpyke4537
@johnpyke4537 Год назад
I always loved hearing that train steam whistle while you worked; and added feature of watching your show!
@vajake1
@vajake1 9 лет назад
Boy oh boy! I jump too when the press makes that popping sound when the press fit lets go!
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
vajake1 Yeah, there is a lot of tension in the shop anytime I have something under pressure like that!
@vajake1
@vajake1 9 лет назад
I've never had anything "shatter" but I have had a couple of piece slip pretty good. So far I have always "dodged the bullet"!
@therealfranklin
@therealfranklin 9 лет назад
Great stuff! So much fun watching somebody who knows how to do stuff just do stuff.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
therealfranklin Thanks! I am always looking for a new challenge like this.
@RandallMoore1955
@RandallMoore1955 9 лет назад
This to me is worth watching. Thanks Keith for taking the time to do it right like I knew you would.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Randall Moore Thanks Randall!
@joeclune1784
@joeclune1784 9 лет назад
I watch you and Adam and Tom and mrpete222 and I'm always amazed at the skills you all have. I I don't currently do any machining work but I watch and learn and eventually I will add machining to my metal working skills. currently I am a welder and fabricator and ocasional restoration projects find a home in my shop. this RU-vid community of machinists is a great educational and inspirational tool and I appreciate the efforts you all put into sharing your knowlage with the interested people. thank you and all the other guys that take the time to share with us.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
+joe clune Thanks Joe. For a skilled fabricator like yourself, you will probably not have any problem transition to the machine shop side of the business. Funny thing is that fab work is one of my weaknesses.....
@walterplummer3808
@walterplummer3808 9 лет назад
Thanks Keith. Great project, and special thanks for crediting the music. You always have good music.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Walter Plummer Thanks Walter!
@KnolltopFarms
@KnolltopFarms 9 лет назад
Very cool! I can't wait to see you cut some more gears. What a nifty project and you're doing a great job, thanks so much for sharing it with us! Aloha...Chuck
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Knolltop Farms Thanks Chuck!
@organbuilder272
@organbuilder272 4 года назад
Forget the audio, This whole post was worth it just to hear the music. I would bet $$ to donuts that the phenolic gear was a latter day substitute.
@ShadeTreeMachinist
@ShadeTreeMachinist 9 лет назад
Keith, another great video! Like the way you are going about fixing all the problems the gear box has. looking forward to seeing the gears being made/cut. Thanks!!
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
ShadeTree Machinist Thank YOU for watching and commenting!
@jobkneppers
@jobkneppers Год назад
Keith, I think the "no metal" gear is made from impregnated cloth. It's used to make the system more quite and is tough when oriented well before machining (mesh should be perpendicular to the teeth shape. It's also used as a "safety valve" in gear trains. (E.g. they're in the train of gears for feeding in my lathe for noise and safety) When an overload occurs these ones get ripped apart and the expensive hardened steel ones will survive for future use. The company "Tufnol" sells it in several varieties so maybe you can give them a call. Thank you for sharing your adventures ones again. Greatly appreciated here. Stay safe and be happy. All the best, Job
@shawnmrfixitlee6478
@shawnmrfixitlee6478 9 лет назад
Oh , What an enjoyment to see this restoration Kieth ! I really am going to enjoy this project .. I have seen them in that striped shape , Nice to see one put to better that new shape !! ENJOYED ..
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
ShawnMrFixit Lee Looking forward to knocking this project out and getting it back in the blacksmith shop. If all goes well, I hope to cut those gears sometime this week or next.
@63256325N
@63256325N 9 лет назад
Great project Keith! When finished I'm sure the blower will run better than new. Thanks for sharing.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Duncan Mac I will be happy with just as good as new!
@McFingal
@McFingal 9 лет назад
Wow that's the kind of stuff. Great work, real nice to see how it's done.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
The Texas Gun Guy Thanks - looking forward to doing the actual gear cutting!
@robroiboi
@robroiboi 8 лет назад
Hi Keith, I subscribed to your channel just the other day; It AMAZES me at your knowledge. Without a doubt, you are TRULY a "Jack of all trades", and a MASTER at ALL of them. It's a pleasure watching you work!
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 8 лет назад
+Roy G. Dodd LOL - I might could agree with the "jack of all trades", but I am not sure that I quite reach the level of "Master" in anything. I think I am a good machinist, but I have known a few true "Master Machinist" in my life and I don't know if I will ever reach the level that some of those guys were at. Of course, they spent their lifetime doing nothing but this trade while I just dabble in it more as a hobby.
@robroiboi
@robroiboi 8 лет назад
+Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Well that may be, being a GOOD machinist is obvious, BUT can any of those other guys drive a steam locomotive as good as Casey Jones? Or show mechanical skills at repairing an old John Deere tractor? Plus from what I can tell, be one of the nicest guy in the state of Georgia? Living in California, I can tell all the way across the country.
@LarryDeSilva64
@LarryDeSilva64 9 лет назад
Very nice start Keith. Love to see metal machined reminds me of my Dad who was a Machinist years ago. That looks easy the way you do it but I know its all in the set up. Very nice work indeed and very informative. The museum has the right man for the job that's for sure.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Lawrence Anthony De Silva Thanks - I am hoping to actually cut some gears sometime this week. Looking forward to it!
@leeh.4453
@leeh.4453 9 лет назад
Interesting project. Those old hand cranked tools were really cool. My family's plumbing shop had a similar hand cranked grind stone. We used to spin it up as fast as we could get it going, then marvel at how long the inertia kept it spinning. No guards, of course. We were probably 6 or 8, old enough to try the "safer" machines. .
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Lee Humes I used to have one of those hand cranked grinders. I wonder what ever happened to that thing.....
@k5at
@k5at 9 лет назад
Keith, any shade tree mechanic would have just fixed the gear and threw it back together, but you, being a true machinist, chose to rebuild the whole assembly. I might have bored out the shaft holes and put bronze bearing material in, but, the way you did it is perfectly right. Thanks for sharing.
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 9 лет назад
Herb Blair let the guy in 100 years have enough metal to put bushes in! unless he can 3d print cast iron and steel by then!
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Herb Blair Truth be known, I looked at the project and thought to myself, this would be a fun little job to do and would probably go over well on RU-vid as well. Both accounts make it worth doing!
@JohnBare747
@JohnBare747 9 лет назад
Nicely shafted Keith, looking forward to the gears.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
John Bare Thanks John!
@1stage
@1stage 9 лет назад
This is exactly the kind of video of yours I like best, Keith. I'm great with all of the others (including Odds & Ends), but these are without a doubt my favorites.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Sean Harrington Thanks Sean - I knew you guys would like this one!
@HolzMichel
@HolzMichel 9 лет назад
hi Keith, just to throw in my two cents worth: i've used all types of inserts on the lathe and found they work best when running flood coolant. it's messy as all get out but the results are much better than using cutting oil. the finish is generally much better when running them in conjunction with the flood coolant.. thanks for letting us peek over your shoulder and the music was very enjoyable. applause to the pickers if you know them personally cheers mike
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
HolzMichel I am a big fan of flood coolant, but unfortunately, we have some issues on that lathe that makes that difficult. Some ding-dong cut several big holes in the chip pan when the lathe was moved at one point (I am assuming they were sling points). Also the coolant pump on the lathe does not work. Both issues can probably be addressed, just need the time to do it. I also need to tear into the front of the lathe where the change gears are to address an oil leak at some point. Maybe I can get to both of those jobs soon.....
@davidrichards5594
@davidrichards5594 9 лет назад
Great job shop work, great job. Hope to see the finished re-manufactured blower at work this fall, Dave
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
David Richards Hope to have it back up and running long before then.... Be sure and let me know when you will be coming through, hopefully I will be in town and can arrange to meet up with you! Looking forward to this Friday at the museum - we are firing up the steam powered sawmill and I plan to be the sawyer for the day cutting lumber!
@davidrichards5594
@davidrichards5594 9 лет назад
Man what a life...let's see..aaa. engineer, machinist or sawyer today? Dave
@cliffjones1511
@cliffjones1511 9 лет назад
nice work keith
@dallen122758
@dallen122758 9 лет назад
I watch you repair that diving head (or put it back together) and you said that one day you would show how it is used, and what a beautiful job it dose. The person that takes the time out of their day to TEACH so many a skill that one day they will become as good as the teacher. You my friend are a great teacher and I hope one day someone will use your videos as a teaching tool for shop class. We all are not collage material. I know I was not one because I could not finish the 9 grade but god gave me a great teacher he taught me how to repair air conditioning & refrigeration equipment the only job that requires you to be a jack of all trades able to do it all you have to be an electrician, carpenter, plumber you have to do it all. By the time I turn 17 I had my own service truck and my helpers were older than me which made for some funny times when they thought the older guy was the technician. I started out as a helper making the big money $1.75 per in 1973 to 2006 when I bought the company I am 56 now and I make over a hundred dollars an hour now but I still don't make as much as a plumber not ever doctors don't do that. It sad to see so much money and time wasted by people that will one day just drop out after the first year or 2 of collage because their mind is not built that way. Me I had to become some kind of mechanic or my dad was going to kill me because I always had his tools taking something apart and little boys forget to put them back where they belong lol. We need to bring back shop classes for high school students so we as nation can teach them a trade so we can become the great manufacturing nation we use to be. Here in south east Louisiana we had the best ship yards that built ships, oil field drilling rigs, production platforms, (and yes drilling rigs are different than production platform) to pipe lines. Welders wore starch welding shirts and all they did was laid beads all day, a grinder never touch their hands. There are few left but they are getting to old to the point that the ship yards have to go overseas to find people to fill the jobs that the young people here won't do. It’s too hot or dirty the 12 hours days are too long, what do you mean I have to go to work for 14 days offshore and all I get is 7 days off. Cry babies are all we have today if it doesn't have a mouse or a joystick and a/c, count them out. Another great video Keith and I mean it when I say you are a great Teacher and teacher never retire the just fad away.
@tumblinjack
@tumblinjack 9 лет назад
Great video and look forward to you cutting gears. Best Regards, Joe
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Joe Di Gesare Thanks Joe - we will get to the gear making soon, I hope....
@marceltimmers1290
@marceltimmers1290 9 лет назад
Hi mate. It's all going to look very good. You have got a good fit for all those axels. And while I know that most of those gears were pretty worn, I can't help feeling that the gearbox has lost its old time feel. If it all becomes micrometre precise, it's lost it's nostalgic beauty. I don't know how to express that feeling. In New Zealand we had a expression, She'll be right, It sort of says, It's not perfect, but it will go for long time. And I have the feeling that will be lost if it's all polished and smick. Catch my drift? Marcel.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Marcel Timmers I do catch what you are saying, but our blacksmith needs a good blower that will blow air. As it was, the gears are slipping and it is not working the way it should. From the outside, it will all look the same, but if it is broke and will not work, the blower is useless. I am trying to bring it back to life!
@johnc4352
@johnc4352 9 лет назад
Hi Keith, got a good chuckle at 12:45 seeing your reaction. I used to rebuild two piece motorcycle crankshafts, you know that pop is coming, but it's always a suprise.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
John C Yeah, I have had pieces bust into thousands of pieces on the press before so I never know if that pop is good or bad until it is over....
@RobertoDonatti
@RobertoDonatti 9 лет назад
great episode, thanks!
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
RobertoDonatti Thank you!
@Thunderstixx77
@Thunderstixx77 9 лет назад
I saw this new post and gladly, happily and overwhelmingly grateful for something other than politics to watch for today. I love your posts Keith. You do a great job and it's something I can watch and play Walter Mitty with you in my mind. Thank you very much Keith. You have a true talent at teaching and machining!
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Steven Thompson Thanks - I have gotten to the point where I can barely stand to turn on the TV and watch the news any more as it just makes my blood pressure go up. Much safer to stay on RU-vid where I can watch things that I can enjoy and learn from without too many political opinions creeping in.....
@rickl.orchids
@rickl.orchids 9 лет назад
very cool, Mr Rucker, really enjoyed the work, thanks!.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Rick L Thank you!
@atbglenn
@atbglenn 8 лет назад
Keith, As you know by now, I'm new to your channel. That being said, I'm totally impressed with you. You're a super nice guy, and a great old school machinist. What else can I say. I watched all 6 episodes in a row today and I smiled the whole time. Thanks my friend. Keep up the GREAT videos. I'm sure all your other subscribers agree with me. Other than that, I wish you and your family all the best :)
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 8 лет назад
+Glenn Martin Thanks Glenn for watching and subscribing!
@HemiRod23
@HemiRod23 9 лет назад
I really appreciate this type of project. Restoring something that was so well built that it lasted 100 years, and doing a great job so it will last at least another 100 years. Can't wait to see the rest of the project as it progresses!
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
HemiRod23 Thanks - looking forward to knocking it out!
@Landrew0
@Landrew0 9 лет назад
Truly a pleasure to watch, as all your videos are.
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop 9 лет назад
Good job so far. I will come back for the gear cutting. Thanks for sharing.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
cerberus Thank you!
@fastst1
@fastst1 9 лет назад
Thanks Keith, looking forward to part 2, need to do a gear tooth repair on a tool, don't have the resources to cut a new gear but will see what I can come up with.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
fastst1 Coming soon.....
@allanbrooker7029
@allanbrooker7029 9 лет назад
looking good Keith this is going to be an interesting exercise can't wait for the next video cheers Allan from NZ
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Allan Brooker Thanks - looking forward to cutting the gears - maybe later this week....
@rogertaylor1589
@rogertaylor1589 Год назад
I had a WWII era 9" South Bend lathe that had the spindle running in the cast iron bores without the usual bronze bushings. With the WWII metals in shop supply, South Bend added extra nickel to the head stocks and eliminated the hard to find bronze bearings.
@MattsMotorz
@MattsMotorz 9 лет назад
Awesome work so far! Can't wait for the next video
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
MattsMotorz Thanks! Tune in next Friday for Part 2!
@Francis362003
@Francis362003 9 лет назад
The shafts are actually called pivots. You would need to replace them with new ones I do suggest use bronze and oil them.
@andymandyandsheba4571
@andymandyandsheba4571 9 лет назад
nice machining Keith looking forward to the gear cutting
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Andy Coakes Thanks Andy!
@garyc5483
@garyc5483 9 лет назад
Excellent start to that project Keith. Some nice machining there. Looking forward to the next segment. regards from the UK
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Gary C Thank you!
@davidhoward2237
@davidhoward2237 9 лет назад
i really like these Friday videos
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
David Howard Thanks - I am going to do my best to keep it up!
@carver3419
@carver3419 9 лет назад
Great job, Keith ... I look forward to the rest of this series. It would be great to see the restored blower in action at the forge as well.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
carver3419 I am sure that we can finish this job with a shot of it in action. One of the guys at the museum had already taken it apart when I was not there or I would have shown you guys a before shot and what was going on with it.
@daleyurk4369
@daleyurk4369 9 лет назад
Keith, I love this project. I'm looking forward to seeing the process and the finished product. You are a lucky man to be able to do work that you love!
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
***** It is fun to play in the shop on fun projects like this. No doubt!
@IceManTX69
@IceManTX69 9 лет назад
Still fascinates me how you can just fabricate any part you need. Can't wait to see how gears are cut.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Plain 'Ol Beekeeping in Plano, TX Well, most any part. There have been a few that have given me some trouble before, but I figure if somebody could have made something 100 years ago, why can't I make it now? Sometimes I get in over my head, but I surprise myself as to how I figure things out sometimes and get the job done!
@bearbon2
@bearbon2 5 лет назад
The phenolic gear was most likely for noise reduction and would reduce the wear on the steel gear teeth and is easily replaceable. If you didn't want to make one out of phenolic then bronze would have been a suitable choice.
@Mentorcase
@Mentorcase 9 лет назад
Nice productive job you have done there sir.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Mentorcase Thanks!
@Rorschach1024
@Rorschach1024 2 года назад
The purpose of the undercut is to ensure a good shoulder with a good tool radius to minimize stress risers while eliminating the need for a large chamfer in the mating part. Has nothing to do with oil.
@maxwallace1925
@maxwallace1925 9 лет назад
Good afternoon Keith, I have recently found your site and have watches almost all of your videos. They have all been very informative and instructional! Keep up the great work and I look forward to following your episodes.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Max Wallace Thanks Max and welcome aboard!
@PaulTunnicliffeChannel
@PaulTunnicliffeChannel 9 лет назад
Can't wait to see the gears being cut. Great work as usual.
@AnthonyFDeLeo
@AnthonyFDeLeo 9 лет назад
Keith, Thanks for the response and info. Tony
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Anthony F. De Leo No problem Tony!
@erlingweiseth2774
@erlingweiseth2774 9 лет назад
Wonderful work! Thanks for sharing this interesting video! ;)
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Erling Weiseth Thank you!
@RoelTyros
@RoelTyros 9 лет назад
Hello Keith, Great that you started an serie out of this repair/rebuild and I am looking forward to part 2. I'm curious about how you cut the gears and never have seen making them by hand/machine. Many greetings from Roel !
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
RoelTyros Stay tuned and you will see first hand how it is done!
@hamstreetjohn9094
@hamstreetjohn9094 9 лет назад
Hi Keith. At my windmill we have a number of gear trains with what are called in England sacrificial gears, in our case made of wood. The idea is that as the gear train on your machine is moving very fast, if something gets caught in the fan, and jams, then the effect on the fan and gears would be disastrous. So with the sacrificial gear only the weak and "soft" gear would be stripped leaving the others intact. I expect that in the old days these parts were "off the shelf". As they are not available now cast iron gears would do, but you may like to think of using nylon or some plastic for that gear to keep the sacrificial character available, it may save having to cut all those shafts again. The material used looks like what is in England called paxolin, it was used in early electrical appliances as an insulator, but I have found it in an early vacuum cleaner used as a sacrificial gear on that machines extractor. After I wrote this I saw ZIGgossDUP has the same idea. Kind regards John
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
hamstreet john I think that the gear in question was made that way to cut down on noise in the blower. I am probably going to make it out of a softer material now that I have studied it more and learned more about it.
@DSCKy
@DSCKy 9 лет назад
Nice project...
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
DSCKy Thanks!
@clockguy2
@clockguy2 9 лет назад
I am a clockmaker. It's common to assume that the harder material wears less than softer material. I and other clockmakers have seen time and time again a hardened steel verge worn down by a soft brass escape wheel rubbing against it as the clock ticks over the years. Some have speculated that grit will imbed into the surface of the softer metal and cut or grind the harder metal. I don't know for sure. I believe the fiber gear was used to lessen the noise of the gear train being transmitted to the blower vanes.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
clockguy2 Very interesting observations on these old clocks! Something to sure think about.....
@beernd4822
@beernd4822 9 лет назад
I really liked hat guitar picking
@josephmagedanz4070
@josephmagedanz4070 9 лет назад
Hi Keith, Thanks for the interesting video. I always find gear making interesting to watch, even the preparation of the shafts, etc. I thought you might do the small gears separately and then press them on like the larger ones, but this way is probably easier: you automatically have a centered, aligned arbor (or is it mandrel? I always get those two confused…just like gig and fixture-I never remember the difference). Anyway, I’m looking forward to the next installment. By the way, I like the Friday format you have adopted. Now there is something to look forward to (and learn from) on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday… Thanks again, Keith. Joe
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Joseph Magedanz Thank you Joe. I hope to be able to start cutting some gears this week!
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 9 лет назад
wow a lot of work for such an item, you take on a lot!, what with the forge to redo- more casting coming, you have a lot to do and we have a lot to look forward too, thanks keith, OOh chrome moly, your making it better than it ever was! after new internals it will deserve a repaint and a bit of handle work too
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
jusb1066 Hopefully we will make her as good as new and she will hold up for another 100 years!
@marceltimmers1290
@marceltimmers1290 9 лет назад
jusb1066 Why not just buy an electric one, and throw this one away??? And be done with it!!!
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 9 лет назад
Marcel Timmers its like a movie, you dont out the murderer at the beginning, you have to work for it!
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Marcel Timmers It is for the museum to use in the blacksmith shop in their 1890's historic village. Electric just would not do for that.....
@marceltimmers1290
@marceltimmers1290 9 лет назад
Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Hi mate. You must not have read my previous comment. but thanks any way.
@FredMiller
@FredMiller 9 лет назад
What a great project. A couple of observations. I liked the way you used the calipers to measure the shaft. I had forgotten about that method. It looks like the unit was to have an oil bath at one time before it got too worn? I am thinking the gear that was not cast iron was made that way to perhaps reduce whirring noise. Super video editing and narration Keith. Really liked the music by Joe and Owen. I am going to add these fellas to my play list. THANK YOU! Fred
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 9 лет назад
Fred Miller maybe it was to reduce noise, or maybe to make it fail on purpose! who knows, keiths fix will be using much better steel, so it will last at least another hundred years, i wonder if it had been washed out, as it was bone dry in there, not sure about the oil bath, would be a lot to seal up
@LightAndSportyGuy
@LightAndSportyGuy 9 лет назад
jusb1066 That gear looks like Bakelite which was invented in 1907 - could be that the blower only dates back to the 1920's, or perhaps this is not the first time it has been repaired...
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
GeoffreyThorpe123 The blower probably does date from the early 1900's so Bakelite is a likely candidate.
@robertkutz
@robertkutz 9 лет назад
keith very good video
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Robert Kutz Thanks!
@aallwwkk
@aallwwkk 9 лет назад
Maybe that phenolic gear was sacrificial in case something gets into the fan? It'll shear or strip instead of blowing the case apart. Or to quieten the final drive?
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
aallwwkk Both are possibilities. Of course, back in the day you could probably just order a new one - not an option any more....
@therealfranklin
@therealfranklin 9 лет назад
aallwwkk Probably the noise suppression. That was my first thought.
@PeterWMeek
@PeterWMeek 9 лет назад
Nice project. Looking forward to the rest. Do you have all the different gear ratios? It would be fun to calculate the final ratio. Also, I would be interested in whether the original designer tried to balance out the wear by selecting gear tooth combinations with few or no common factors (so that any individual tooth would mesh with all the opposing teeth before re-meshing with the first tooth it opposed). Something like 16 (2*2*2*2) opposed to 81 (3*3*3*3) - roughly 1:5, but with no common factors, so every tooth will mesh with every opposing tooth before the cycle repeats. It would be nice to completely replace the zinc die-cast gears in the cheesy forge blower I have stashed away somewhere around here. I should probably replace the die-cast housing as well. (This sounds like the traditional grandfather's ax: only replaced the head twice and the handle three times. Still the same ax, though.)
@MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc
@MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc 9 лет назад
Peter W. Meek The wear is very consistent, so I would think that they are odd teeth numbers, all teeth meshing! Regards, Matthew
@pierresgarage2687
@pierresgarage2687 9 лет назад
Peter W. Meek Zinc stuff is everywhere they want the apparel to fail... except on sacrificial anodes on ships...
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Peter W. Meek So the gear ratios go like this: 50:12 - 40:12 - 40:12. So, that would give a speed increase of 4.166 with the first gear, and 3.33 on the second two sets. So, if I am doing my math right, one crank on the handle would equal about 46.3 turns of the fan.
@MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc
@MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc 9 лет назад
So the ratios are odd, with each rotation, the teeth fall differently. Hence the eaven wear.
@PeterWMeek
@PeterWMeek 9 лет назад
Interesting. They took the smallest practical pinion (12 teeth; factors of 2*2*3) and mated them to 40 and 50 tooth gears (2*2*2*5 and 2*5*5 respectively). Mutually prime numbers of teeth will go through every combination possible before the same two teeth meet again. The more prime factors they share (2 and 2 with the 12:40 combo, and just 2 with the 12:50 combo) means that the same pair of teeth will meet 4 times as often and twice as often respectively, while skipping the other possible meshings. In the 12:40 combo 75% of the tooth-to-tooth combinations will never occur (unless someone disassembles the drive and reassembles it clocked differently), and with the 12:50, half the t-to-t combinations will never occur. I would expect that careful inspection would find some periodic/cyclic wear patterns on those gear teeth, unless that drive has been disassembled frequently over the years. At the cost of slightly less ratio advantage, using a 13 tooth pinion (13 is a prime number) would make every combination except those with with 13 as a factor (26, 38 [[ EDIT oops; meant 39]]. 52, 65, etc.) be an even wearing combination. Too bad the axle holes are already located (and the blanks fabricated); you could have re-made this blower drive to make it last for two centuries instead of just one. ;-)
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 9 лет назад
Looking forward to the gear cutting. Does this thing use a grease inside for lube? I would throw some John Deere corn head grease in there when I was done to make it last and make it quiet. It is made to run in gearboxes with no seals. Pretty amazing stuff. I find I really have to watch on those small finish passes that cum up a bit rough like that as a little emory cloth will take you undersize in a hurry on those.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
bcbloc02 The gear box is filled at the top with a heavy gear oil. There is a drain hole on the side that you fill it to.
@railfan4394
@railfan4394 9 лет назад
Keith, have you considered going really oversize on the shaft holes and installing bronze bushings? Sure would make the NEXT overhaul a lot easier.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Railfan 439 I don't see a need to do so. The cast iron bearing surface is fine for this application and the first ones lasted about a century. And I think that boring out the cast iron that much oversize might cause some other issues with this fairly thin casting. I think I will just leave it as it is. No need to re-engineer something that has worked so well for so long.
@ziggassedup
@ziggassedup 9 лет назад
I wonder if the odd gear with the pins was designed to shear in case of a foreign object gets into the fan.?..Love the vids.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
ZIGgassedUP Several are suggesting that it was that way to cut down on whining of the gears. I am considering replacing that one with some modern plastic material to put it back more like it was.
@krbruner
@krbruner 9 лет назад
The reason that final gear set had that "composite" gear was to reduce the friction and rotating mass. With the gearing increases with each set, the friction in the final set is going to be a huge factor in the efficiency. With the added mass, it will take longer and more force to spin it up, but in theory, could coast longer, if not for the added friction....I would use something lighter than cast iron...aluminum maybe.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
krbruner Aluminum is a thought. I considered brass or bronze at one point but the mass on that would probably be even heavier than the cast iron.
@brokk2973
@brokk2973 2 года назад
I have the same model and it was making bad noises recently. Added oil, but the crunching sounds didn't go away. I just took it all apart today and found there was an aluminum gear in the middle that many bits missing on the teeth. All those bit got caught up in the other gears and ground all but two gears to an unusable mess. So I wouldn't recommend replacing any of the gears with aluminum. Just my experience.
@morrisgallo2361
@morrisgallo2361 9 лет назад
Looks like another great series. Thank you. Looking forward to the next installment(s). Instead of replacing the phenolic/Bakelite gear with cast iron you should consider using Delrin. That gear may have purposely been there to act as noise deadner, sacrificial in case something jams fan, friction reducer, and/or reduction of moment mass. Why tempt fate on a design that's worked for over a hundred years?
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Morris Gallo I am seriously reconsidering the cast iron.
@PhilG999
@PhilG999 9 лет назад
Morris Gallo I don't know if Bakelite would have been used that long ago. Been a while since my strength of materials class as part of my Engineering Degree. Doesn't look like Bakelite. Maybe Phenolic. If Keith is making a new gear I'd suggest a soft bronze.Delrin or Ryton might be a good choice too...
@morrisgallo2361
@morrisgallo2361 9 лет назад
Phil Grindle Bakelite was invented in 1907 by a Dutch chemist. It is the trade name for phenolic plastic. As a safety aside, most phenolic plastics contained asbestos prior to 1980, so this discarded gear should be treated with caution.
@mikeadrover5173
@mikeadrover5173 9 лет назад
Outstanding Vid! As always, thanks’ for taking the time to make this video! And I support this site. ~M~
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Mike A Drover Thanks Mike!
@pierresgarage2687
@pierresgarage2687 9 лет назад
If I estimated right the ratio should be about 80:1 if the small gears have 10 teeth... A good light grease will keep it running another 100 years.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
pierre beaudry The ratios are 50 to 12, 40 to 12 and 40 to 12. That comes out to about 46.3 to 1.
@pierresgarage2687
@pierresgarage2687 9 лет назад
Ok, I've visually counted the small gears having 10 teeth instead of 12, this makes a big difference...
@stefantrethan
@stefantrethan 9 лет назад
I think that gear is made of some phenolic material very much like Tufnol: Similar gears are used in swedish gear transmission drill presses to reduce noise and wear (on the small metal gear). I think you are mistaken that this was cost-cutting. The use of the resin gear in the high speed stage only would lead me to believe you are looking at the cutting edge of technology at the time. And it has done rather well I might add, just think how many more times that output gear has spun around compared to the others.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
stefantrethan Thanks for the info - interesting stuff!
@michaelvitetta7231
@michaelvitetta7231 7 лет назад
I know that this is a really old video but I question the age of the blower. Between the Amailite fitting and the phenolic gear, designed to strip to save the unit as a whole. I place the unit at 40's - 50's. What was found out found out about the age?
@charles1379
@charles1379 9 лет назад
Hi Keith, thanks again for a great video. I am curious about the reaming of the out of round holes for the shafts. Does the reaming move the hole off center and does this affect the spacing of the shafts, and if so is it insignificant? Thank you, I find this very interesting and thank you for your time.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Charles Camenzuli Reaming is more about getting a hole to a precise diameter. The reamer will follow the hole that is already in the piece, so it will not move it off the center of the original hole. If the original hole is slightly out of round, the reamer will true it up to a round hole.
@tazmun
@tazmun 9 лет назад
I guess it wouldn't be original...but where your reaming out the bearings in the cast iron I would be tempted to add a brash bushing...it seems to me a much better bearing.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
tazmun The big gears will press fit onto the smaller gear and shaft. The bearings are all in the gear housing. I considered adding bronze, but I would have to bore out a lot of cast iron to get them in there. Not sure it is necessary - the original steel on cast iron bearings lasted for this long......
@planeflyer21
@planeflyer21 9 лет назад
Great video Keith! Looking forward to part 2. And the next oil forge installment. A question on your "oil grooves"...are you sure those aren't reliefs on those diameters having been ground on an OD grinder?
@therealfranklin
@therealfranklin 9 лет назад
planeflyer21 I was thinking stress relief (ie rouded corners) to prevent stress risers & premature failure, as with the early Campagnolo Super Record pedals with the titanium shafts.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
therealfranklin It is possible, but having delt with a lot of babbitt bearings over the years, these grooves are a nice trick to help keep the oil from running out of the bearings as bad.
@AnthonyFDeLeo
@AnthonyFDeLeo 9 лет назад
Hi Keith, Looks like a great project. I have a couple of questions, when you were turning the shafts on the lathe, you put a band of blue ink or dye on the shaft but I did not see you make the marks on the dye, did I miss something? Second, will you be showing how you will ream out the "blind" (no through) bearings holes in the blower housing/ Thanks Tony
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Anthony F. De Leo Tony, I marked them all, but I might have edited it out by accident.... As for the blind holes, I think I did not show that, but I basically just reamed down until the reamer touched the bottom of the hole and that was it....
@ncmaothvez
@ncmaothvez 9 лет назад
Hi Keith! Getting a real kick out of seeing old stuff get restored like this. Great work! As a machinist wannabe I'm probably talking out of my rear so pardon me :) Noticed when you put it all together that it seemed to be a really tight fit. Isn't there a chance that there could be some tiny amount of friction between the output shaft and the housing when you put it all togehter? I mean, with that gear ratio from input to output, even the tiniest amount of friction at the output would be multiplied quite a bit to the input thus needing alot of unnecesary torque at the input. I'm thinking that perhaps if the shatfts were a bit looser in the housing then the friction would be less, thus less input torque would be needed.
@pierresgarage2687
@pierresgarage2687 9 лет назад
ncmaothvez1 When you mount shafts loose, even with a tolerance, they seem tight until you make the whole assembly final lined up and fixed, then, the tolerances make it go silky smooth....
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
ncmaothvez1 Once things are aligned with the big gears in place, I think it will actually fit and line up better as that helps align everything in the gear box. Also, everything will have oil on it when it is finished, which will make a huge difference. Worse case, I shave a few thousandths off of the part of the shaft that fits into the bearing fit once it is all done. It is much easier to take metal off than it is to put it back on.....
@ncmaothvez
@ncmaothvez 9 лет назад
Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Thanks for the reply Keith! I think I sort of assumed that since the blower is rather old, the alignment of the holes isn't that great.
@nitro105
@nitro105 9 лет назад
Thats quite the undertaking to fab all those shafts and gears, I was wondering if the fiber gear was used for noise reduction because of the speed at which it drives the fan, I'd consider brass neoprene or delrin might be more suitable any thoughts?
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Chad Yelland Several are suggesting this and I am probably gong to make that one gear out of Delrin.
@TheVintageEngineer
@TheVintageEngineer 6 лет назад
Hey Keith, do you know where you can buy that style oil hole caps? I picked up a Champion Blower and Forge blower but the oil filler cap is missing. I can find the hinge style but can’t seem to find the pull up style.
@stevengrotte2987
@stevengrotte2987 7 лет назад
Do you have to rebuild the crank handle "hole" that will go on the new shaft? The old shaft where the crank handle went on it looked pretty chewed up, would that mean that the crank handle hole was also chewed up?
@sparkyprojects
@sparkyprojects 9 лет назад
Not a bad bearing surface ? i would say a great bearing surface to have lasted over 100 years. You don't get engineering like that these days, except in the minority of people who really know what they are doing, like Keith and Adam
@RyanWeishalla
@RyanWeishalla 9 лет назад
Nice work on this so far. A cool project for sure. Are those the 14DP gears you were looking for cutters earlier?
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
ILGopher Yes, that is what they were for. I also found out after I did some more measuring that there are 16DP gears in the blower as well. I have rounded up all of my cutters now and am just about ready to start cutting gears....
@RyanWeishalla
@RyanWeishalla 9 лет назад
Interesting using multiple pitches.
@jerryshelton1481
@jerryshelton1481 4 года назад
Why did you not make like bronze or brass sleeves for it so it wont wear case or shafts
@cemx86
@cemx86 9 лет назад
Two questions which may have been asked/answered below. 1) What is the total gear ratio? Has to be 100:1 or more? 2) Is the entire gear bay filled with oil during use? I thought I saw an oil cup and an outlet of some sort. Thanks.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
cemx86 I would have to go back through my comments to find it, but I calculated the ratio and it was somewhere around 46 to 1 if I remember correctly. As for oil, yes, the bottom of the crank case is filled with oil so that some of the larger gears will dip into the oil and pull it up to cover the other gears. On the case, there is a hole in the top to fill it with oil and another one on the side that you open up when you are filling - when the oil starts to run out, you have it full. I will have more on this in a later video.
@dougrundell947
@dougrundell947 9 лет назад
I worked in an engine shop for 11 years and saw a lot of wear like that. I doubt that the oil in that blower was ever changed.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Doug Rundell I don't know about never, but probably not near often enough....
@turtlemann14
@turtlemann14 8 лет назад
how much clearance did you leave for the oil film?
@jcortiz123
@jcortiz123 8 лет назад
do you have any projects about cutting a helical gear in the future?
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 8 лет назад
+jcortiz123 I had a project that I needed to do this for but have recently found the proper gear on ebay so that one got scratched. I might need to do it one day but no plans right now.
@andrewbeaver1843
@andrewbeaver1843 9 лет назад
Keith, one question that I have is where do you go to find your research on the parts that you work to know the original dimensions?
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Andrew Beaver "Machinery's Handbook" has all of the formulas needed to calculate what the original dimensions should be. There are also several web sites where you can just enter the basic gear info and it will calculate it for you.
@andrewbeaver1843
@andrewbeaver1843 9 лет назад
Thank you!
@nathanstrunk7673
@nathanstrunk7673 5 лет назад
Is it a Royal Western Chief H model?
@awldune
@awldune 9 лет назад
Hi Keith, can you give us a status update on the matcher? Back in December it seemed like a trial run was imminent.
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
awldune Still waiting to get the tractor running that will power it in the shop area. We are very close on that side of things - we had it running but the carb kept on getting clogged up from rust in the fuel tank. The tanks have been pulled from the tractor and are being sent out to be boiled out and coated on the inside to prevent further rust. Problem was that the museum was on a spending freeze this month as their fiscal year ends on Jun 30 so we are waiting until the first of the month to get this job done. Once that is done and the tanks put back on, hopefully we will be ready to belt it up and give it a try. Stay tuned.....
@awldune
@awldune 9 лет назад
Figured it was something like that. Can't wait to see it run! Thanks Keith :)
@themadsmith857
@themadsmith857 7 лет назад
i'm 13 and i just got my first hand crank champion rivet forge for christmas i took the blower apart and cleaned it ,i just used it for the first time yesterday it works great but it leaks oil alot and i think the bronze bushings might need to be replaced i was wondering if you would know anyone who rebushes champion blowers?
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 7 лет назад
More than likely, the bronze bushing will have to be made to fit the blower, especially with wear on the shaft making it probably a bit smaller than when it was new. Any good machine shop or someone with a metal lathe should be able to help you out.
@themadsmith857
@themadsmith857 7 лет назад
ok great i'll bring it to the machine shop in town , Thank you for replying :)
@enjoying28
@enjoying28 9 лет назад
Why would he not put brass bushings in the cast?
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 9 лет назад
Enjoying28 It could be done, but I don't see any reason to do so. Cast iron on steel is a pretty good bearing material and if the original lasted as long as it did, I see no reason to re-engineer it.
@erifandypawellangi1314
@erifandypawellangi1314 8 лет назад
can anybody tell me whats the name of machine used in this process??
@VintageMachinery
@VintageMachinery 8 лет назад
Which machine? We used a metal lathe to turn the parts round and a horizontal milling machine to cut the gear teeth.
@erifandypawellangi1314
@erifandypawellangi1314 8 лет назад
thank you sir. you're the best regard from indonesia
@daki222000
@daki222000 9 лет назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rlylsmjIqBE.html Yeah, I know. you probably got the link yesterday, but anyhow of interest. How is your planer matcher coming along b.t.w.? Hope to see in running someday. Cheers from Holland.
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