Update for you all: I ordered the physical copy for OMORI on switch July 1st 2022, and just today (July 22, 2022) I'm now getting conformation that it shipped.
Honestly, I appreciate Omori. What he does isn't right by any means, but it's what he thinks is right. He's a lingering version of how a 12 year old dealt with things when he was scared, and he does his best to protect Sunny. Yes it's through simple and blunt actions that ultimately cause more harm, but I think he's a perfect example of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and I can't fault him for being what he was created to be. If anything, those who hate him are lacking in empathy. Even Sunny hugs him in the end, as if he's telling him that his job is finally over.
Honestly, yeah. When I stopped to think about it, I was shocked to realize that really, what OMORI was doing at the end of both roots was, well...kind. In the OMORI route, he sees that Sunny's overwhelmed, that he isn't strong enough, and helps bring him out of the darkness, taking his place because he knows he himself is strong enough. Meanwhile, in the Sunny route, one of two things happen, each based on the outcome of their confrontation. In one, Sunny overcomes Omori, and hugs him, in a way thanking him for all those years of protecting Sunny when he wasn't ready. In the other, Sunny succumbs, and Omori is the one who hugs Sunny, taking his place as if to say "It's okay. You can rest now, I'll take it from here." At the end of the day, in the Sunny route, Omori was really just *testing* Sunny, to make sure that he was strong enough to take the path he wanted to, and if not, he would take that role instead.
Honestly i allways loved omori since really sunny would have probably not been around without him Yes the ways he deals with stuff like restarting constantly or erasing anything related to the truth is blunt and hurts... But i mean come on Mentally sunny probably hasn't progrest since 12 so him not having issues with it is understandable as hell
Part of what solidifies Sunny’s guilt is the way he idealizes her after her death. In reality, she was probably the kinda bossy older sister who never made time for her younger brother as she got older. But after she died, he pictures her as this angelic guardian who did nothing but love. A lot of people do this after a loved one dies, since it feels wrong to remember the bad parts.
Hmm, I don't think she was very bossy. If she did, then their relationship would've been strained, and even if she was, I don't think it was to the point of getting problematic.
@@vloggerbonakid6178 I personally just think that she was probably an average big sister when she was alive. Their relationship probably had its ups and downs like how irl siblings usually do. Loving, but they still get on your nerves sometimes, you know? But throughout almost all of OMORI, she’s treated like an angel.
@@camchameleon4151 you can tell that she wasn't really ever "bossy", however she was busy. the game says that before her death she was preparing for college, and mari in spirit tells sunny that she spent all of her free time practicing her piano for their recital. this is why sunny got angry and it lead to their fight, where sunny accidentally shoved her down the stairs. just from the cutscenes and photos alone it's easy to tell mari really was a very loving and kind person, especially to her brother; however her perfectionism, and pushing it onto sunny, eventually led to her unfortunate death.
@@texticks ah, there it is, I think I was trying to reference the perfectionism by using the word bossy, I just didn’t know the word I guess. But yeah that makes sense.
@@texticks the reason sunny got angry was because he felt forced by Mari and his friends to play the violin and he didn't want to disappoint them but he ended up throwing the violin out of rage and then Mari was mad at him and he tried to leave but Mari blocked his path, then Sunny pushed Mari and then Mari fell down the stairs and landed on the violin, why do you think the violin has hair and blood
BEFORE YOU COMMENT: I should've mentioned that I say hatable in context to how Omori is built up to be an antagonist and a foil to Sunny. I know you "still like him" and "you don't consider him a character," so just letting you know.
Who the heck wouldn't consider OMORI a character? In my opinion that is very similar to not considering AUTO from WALL-E a character. I have more examples but I think this one is enough until contested.
During my first playthrough of OMORI, I actually didn't hate Omori. At least not until the final battle against him. Because I actually flipped the narrative with my theory and believed that since Omori stabbed Basil, that Basil had done something wrong or per say did something back when Mari died to make him irredeemable. Because before I found out the truth, I was suspicious of Basil for the wrong reasons. Since to me, the way he acted in the real world just felt really disingenuous and I thought his shy nature was a facade like a lot of twist characters. But now I know I was wrong and Basil is now one of my favorite characters of all time.... and that I have serious trust issues ._.
@@known_questionmark Oh wow, I didn't think about it like that. Well I guess I can relate to Aubrey now more than I thought I could. But still that's really cool that you spotted those parallels, this is why I love the Omori fandom ^^
More than being Sunny's memories, I think what Blackspace actually stands for is the horrible, intrusive thoughts that he buried deep in his mind to forget about them. If Sunny is clearly a little unhinged (as seen when he attacks Aubrey in the waking world, though to be fair she also had a weapon...), I don't think he'd do something like killing the cat that belonged to the sister he accidentally killed. He may have had the thought to do it (intrusive thoughts can be really fucked up and, as long as they stay just thoughts, don't actually represent you very well. As someone with depression, I have my fair share of them and boy do I regret them afterwards) but never actually gone through with it. It could have been brought forth by a wish to lash out to manifest his frustration with his daily life. But this is only my opinion; we don't know enough about Mewo's death to rule the cutting out, but it's just that, as someone who went through similar experiences, I think it's more a representation of his psyche attached to important memories than... just memories of things that happened which his mind completely warped. Hope it makes sense!
That's why Omori lets you decide if you want to kill the cat or stab him instead. He saw Mewo as another Traitor to his headspace that deserves to be punished (hence the Little Tree Friends hijings towards dark space basil) but can't pull through making it just as painfully slow for the player as it is for himself to put his only companion in white space down once and for all
True, but also Mari got Mewo as a kitten. I can't imagine why else the cat would have died at such a young age. Based on the fact that the true route ends with Sunny and Basil having a hallucination-driven fight, and throught the IRL parts Sunny is shown to be hallucinating, AND the fact that he literally SLICES AUBREY WITH A STEAK KNIFE... I hate to admit it but Sunny probably had a mental snap at some point and murdered Mewo.
@@raining_trees mabe the kitten ran away or died of negligence but sunny didn't want it to be true that's why mewo got a place in white place as well, Omoris inner panic room when he faces triggers. There was a time where he might wanted to kill the cat but Mewo is the only one Omori feels sympathy towards, also wasn't black space supposed to be his nightmare realm?
Some people theorize that he may had intrusive thoughts of killing Mewo since, just like Basil, he was a living reminder of Mari. However, it was probably less traumatic to have the kitten around rather than Basil. It's still just speculation tho..
i think if there's something in omori i'd really like to see a video on, it's stranger. the character (or... characters?) are actually a lot more important than they seem. stranger tells omori that they actually are the other half of headspace basil, and that he was torn in half the same day that omori "became nothing". due to the way that headspace characters are recycled and reset, this might be the reason why there are so many strangers. throughout the game, stranger leads omori to the places he needs to be, and in the omori route, actually directly contronts sunny to try and get him to see the truth.
@@Insulted25 yep, i totally agree! it would definitely explain why there are so many of them in the black space hub area. i think that in "reef area" in black space we can see headspace characters being created, and in "faceless area" there are either remnants or discarded former versions. also, of course, the skeletons in the abyss. strangers seem to have some special quality about them that lets them navigate black space and sometimes enter headspace, though. probably due to the "torn in half" thing.
SPOILERS: 14:43 I think the reason for that room is to let the *player* know the feeling of accidentally murdering someone. Most players didn't know that murdering Mewo was an option instead of a choice; so they murdered her. It was an accident, if they knew they could open the menu I'm certain they would have. This gives them the perspective of Sunny, who accidentally kills his sister- he didn't *mean* to; it just happened.
Another interpretation of the mewo room is that it makes you feel like suicide is the only way to escape it because you always have to choose the stab option
@@FelineLeader That's interesting, by killing mewo you see how one could have accidentally kill without knowing, by knowing how to escape you understand how Sunny feels: Killing himself instead of Mewo/Mari. Both paths are a dive into Sunny's mind, feeling traped by what he has done, thinking the only outcome at that moment is to die or never progress.
This video is super underrated and i want to talk mostly about the Mewo room. Spoilers : What i love about it is how much it plays with your mind, you constantly have to say yes and you think you don't have any other choices, so, you continue and you cut open Mewo. Then you see that you could have stabbed yourself, and either you're sad you didn't, either you're happy you didn't have to kill mewo. In all the cases, suicide was the best option. The player is RELIEVED they can KILL THEMSELVE, or they regret they didn't do it before. It's simple but i love it so much. For the Omori part i really love Omori, he's a fake villain. All he was doing was his job, keeping the truth away. But in such an unhealty way that it made him keeping the truth away, but at all cost. Stranger is very interressing too, it's the total opposite of Omori. Stranger wants Sunny to confront his trauma, and so he leads Omori to the past. I really how his name is not something like "Basil ?" but Stranger, Basil in the dream world is not the real Basil. He doesn't know anything about what happened to Mari, but Stranger does which made him way more accurate to the real world Basil. It's maybe not clear but basically Sunny sees the real world Basil as a stranger and he doesn't want to do anything with him. Anyway this game is incredible
I think there's some things that are widely misunderstood about Omori and Sunny.. (spoilers) Omori and Sunny are basically the same person, it's just that when Mari died, Sunny disassociated and broke off part of himself that became Omori. Omori wound up with Sunny's emotions, and became the aforementioned "protector of his dreams" but it's more like... Omori is Sunny's escape mechanism. Sunny doesn't want to have to deal with the truth; he tries everything he can to forget about it, sweep it under the rug, etc. The door to the closet... Sunny flat out can't even _see_ the door, he just sees a wall where the door is. Heck, in the ending where you "go back to sleep" while at Basil's house, after you see Basil in his room, you see this happen in real-time where the door disappears and Sunny goes "There is nothing here." as he flat out _erases Basil's Bedroom from his mind._ Omori is the scapegoat, Omori is the side of Sunny that is tasked with protecting his conscious mind from the truth. Omori has power over Headspace and can create stuff, and go on these adventures to keep Sunny distracted, which is Omori's whole job. But, when Basil keeps digging the truth up, Omori has no choice but to banish Basil to Black Space and then go on this adventure to find him (Omori knows where he is; he's the one who put him there, but he doesn't let Sunny know that). But eventually, the truth leaks out into Headspace and then even White Space gets corrupted with it, and Omori has no choice but to dive into Black Space, grab Basil, and reset Headspace. This is what happens in the Hikikomori Route, if you don't answer the door for Kel. Here's a fun fact: When you start a NEW GAME in Omori, after the first two cutscenes, the first time you see White Space in-game, you hear a long ringing tone. Not the "Sunny's Fear" ear-ring, but a lower longer tone. There are only 3 places this tone plays in the entire game: 1). Beginning of the game 2). The "give up in the battle against Omori" ending 3). The Headspace Reset in the Hikikomori Route (right after the Church of Something before Omori climbs the ladder of hands while hauling Basil out). This means, that at the beginning of the game was directly after a Headspace Reset, and of course, the voices in the tunnel after Humphrey make it real clear that this is a cycle that keeps repeating over and over and over again. So... why is *THIS* cycle different? Two reasons: 1). That room with the ringing phone tells you answer #1: "SUNNY... we're moving away." (A *WHOLE ROOM* of Black Space is dedicated to this one line, it's obvious that it has profound significance in Sunny's mind). 2). Kel knocks on your door IRL. If you open the door for Kel, that sets off a chain-reaction set of events that gives Sunny the opportunity to overcome, and overpower Omori and reclaim his emotions from Omori as Omori is no longer needed. He can only do this by meeting his RL friends and telling them the Truth so that he no longer needs to hide his guilt, and also so he can set Basil free too. But anyhow, Omori is doing everything he can to stop this from happening, but in the True Route, Headspace and White Space has deteriorated so much, that Omori knows it's over, and while Omori has Sunny's emotions, Omori probably stabs Basil out of spite and decides to just stay in Black Space and refuse to reset Headspace, and decides to instead try to get Sunny to give up commit suicide instead (hence why Omori tries to talk Sunny out of telling the truth to his friends during the battle with him). EDIT: This is also why the Title Screen changes after Black Space to Omori and Sunny wrestling each other for control. Omori wants control, Sunny doesn't wanna give it up. In the Hikikomori Route, Omori decides to just "go in for the kill" after Black Space while Sunny is weakened (which is why when you look in the bathroom mirror after Black Space, you just see Omori instead of Sunny). I kinda feel sad for Omori in a way.... Omori only wanted to protect Sunny from the truth; that's what he was _created_ to do, by Sunny himself. Even though it's the epitome of unhealthy escapism, he still was just doing his job, and the actions Sunny was taking in real life was destroying all Omori had worked for so Omori just lashed out at Basil because Omori saw Basil as being the root cause of all the problems. Though, obviously, the good ending requires that Sunny overcomes his trauma and finds the strength to confess to his friends and forgive Basil.
I feel like "hate" is the wrong word to describe how I'd feel about Omori (the character). Assuming you didn't make the mistake of giving Sunny your own name (you poor, poor soul), it's still not that far of a stretch to understand that Omori *is* Sunny, and by extension, you the protagonist. Omori alone is shouldering all of Sunny's guilt, sadness, and anguish, and he's an inseparable part of Sunny. It feels like "hate" is something that also implies some measure of disassociation; if you "hate" everything Omori has done, then I think *that* shows a lack of empathy moreso than someone who does not hate Omori. You don't defeat Omori with a struggle of power, you don't "kill" him; you stand up and show him that you've come to terms with your grief, and all he can do in response is drop his knife and surrender. I understand what Omori is and I don't hate him, and that doesn't make me some sociopath who "lacks empathy". I just understand that dealing with grief often feels like you're battling with yourself, and you can't overcome those feelings if you hate yourself.
I think Black Space also shows that Sunny may secretly hate Basil. It was Basil's idea after all to stage Mari's death as a su!c!de. There is definitely a bit of resentment.
I dont really think of omori as a character. Despite them being portrayed as human. Hes like sunny’s thoughts. Just a part of sunny. He feels no emotion. And blocks out anything involving the truth, because its his trauma. Because thats an actual thing that happens to some people. Just completely blocking out a traumatic memory to protect you. Its not a character with a motive. Just your brain trying to protect you. He also doubles as your dream vessel which is neat. Edit: of course he does so in very dramatic ways but they needed tension for a place like black space.
yeah it always seemed obvious that sunny and omori were the same person, just omori is the personification of Sunny's coping mechanism, Omori is not really a *character* per se. He's just... Sunny's inner thoughts I'm surprised people even think of him as an entirely separate character from Sunny
I'd say that Omori is closer to a tulpa: he's a creation of Sunny's direct thoughts given form, and since Sunny's thoughts at the time were dedicated solely to suppress the truth of Mari's death, Omori ended up being that single-minded as well - to protect Sunny from the truth by *ANY MEANS NECESSARY*. True, his actions end up causing more harm than good in the long run, but he pretty much knew no better.
@@IvanezRus nah, because he's not a separate entity. Ever see someone with horrendously low self-esteem talk themselves down over past actions? Now look at what he says to Sunny. Seem familiar?
I disagree completely. FIrst of all that for me it's very similar to not considering a character like AUTO from WALL-E a character. Second of all, while I don't know if you particularly care about the definition of character, OMORI meets a whole bunch of the requirements, and has quite a bit of precedent for being considered a character (which I could probably dig up with some difficulty). Third, he's a clear agent, operating towards goals, evaluating situations, interacting with his medium, and more. This kind of comment baffles me to be honest
This game is what made me discover my strange interest in philosophy. Learning about some one else’s trauma and philosophy can really help you learn about your own. learning about Sunny’s trauma and the many ways it’s presented in this artistic format really helped me get through my own problems in life. Mostly because Omori was a reminder that if I don’t get help, then my mental health will just end up killing me.
Funnily enough it wasn't this game but the one I played immediately after it (Bioshock 2) that got me into philosophy. Also I hope you get all the help you need
8:05 wow, I’m listening to this with earphones in, and it’s unnerving how the sound echoes in your ears like there’s something clanging around dully inside of your head. Props to whoever created this track, it’s almost eerie.
I don’t think I can hate omori. He’s stuck at 12, a personification of repression of that tragic event. Blackspace is, for lack of a better word, concentrated trauma. Even when he kills basil over and over and over I can’t hate him. He’s trying to make sure sunny Never has to face shatteringly painful trauma. I’ve been through that myself, and god… I’d do something to forget.
i have some. interesting feelings on omori. so i do hate him as a character for being just. horrible on several levels and i think playing as him for the majority of the game is a genius move for solidifying that but. basically omori is a trauma response. everything he ever did was to protect sunny, yes even including the final battle because when we fear external rejection we embrace internal self-rejection as a a method of self-preservation that often manifests ad suicidal ideation. so i understand why everything he did was in service of sunnys safety and if he hadnt gone to the lengths that he did sunny probably wouldve been worse off. that said theres a reason why trauma responses are labelled maladaptive. the brain cant plan in periods of high stress and trauma so it goes for the safest and easiest option in the moment which has knock-on effects when you then leave a traumatic situation. so yeah mixed feelings
i don't know. i cant really hate omori, as he's just a childlike manifestation of sunny's own grief and self-hate. omori is a child, and even though he's the one who is projected on as being 'evil' and 'violent'; this is really just sunny. sunny IS omori, and you can't hate one without condemning the other. sunny is emotionally stunted as a result of his trauma, and as a result conjures up another 'version' of himself to distance from his own horrific actions. we can, and are supposed to, feel bad for sunny and his situation. same goes for omori.
I'm not sure whether Omori counts as Sunny's alter ego or just a representation of his trauma, depression, and guilt, but Omori was created after Sunny's incident with Mari and was created by sunny (possibly subconsciously) for the purpose of distracting Sunny from the incident and shielding him from the trauma. Darryl Talks Games has an excellent video on how Mari's death was something so traumatic, that Sunny began to dissociate and live only within his dreams of escapism, and Omori is the result of that. So I think the reason why Omori kills Basil in every single room he sees him in Blackspace is because Basil is a clear reminder of the incident and the thought of him brings back so much trauma to Sunny. Basil was the only other person who knew of what Sunny did to Mari and even gave Sunny the idea of hanging her. Omori is simply doing his task by erasing everything that could potentially make Sunny remember the incident. Since Omori is part of Sunny, they share the same emotions, and this could suggest that Sunny himself actually partially blames Basil for the guilt of the incident. Either way, Omori is the character embodiment of how Sunny's brain is using dissociation to forget about the traumatic incident.
I both like him very much and agree with many of your points. I will avoid comparisons because that would be a disservice to the game but this guy is the kind of character (or at least his role) I wanted to see in an original IP for years. He was very well made and is part of a truly outstanding game
black space is definitely clearer then the rooms in yume nikki. i think i can understand what some of the rooms mean. the first two mostly and i think basil going missing and basil dieing and all that was his subconscious protecting him. i mena that’s what the whole game is. slowly figuring out the truth but being protected from what your not ready to know. and i’ve seen people say things about how sunny is a bad person. but this is his head. the reason he does these things could be for several reasons also the last room scared the shit out of me
How is Omori made to be hated, especially on reflection: - he navigates blackspace with the most tantalizing and self-fascinated ways to kill Basil over and over again. It never even really eliminates Basil, it's just really for his own amusement. He's had control for a long time here now, and all he would've 'needed' was Basil's final death. That's all. - and to go off of what I've written above, he makes you think as the player Omori is scared and frightened and shocked by the developments, and betrays the player and makes the player realise the truth, or at least for those who may have this interpretation of the game: that Omori knew what he was doing the whole time he was killing Basil over and over. Some might believe this is Sunny's subconscious trying to prevent him from finding out the truth, but Sunny's subconscious has been screaming out to him the whole game. All those deaths were intentionally crafted by Omori to stop your subconscious telling you the truth. And while you play it the first time, you think Omori is shocked by all this. You're shocked and you're playing Omori. But no. Omori is playing you. - he makes you try kill your cat, and even if you do, you get nothing of it - he manipulates your friends emotions in the game (the fact he himself has moves that affect people's emotions and the fact you as the player can manipulate your headspace friends emotions to your own amusement and satisfaction, which I think is just so so so messed up) - he sees the world in black and white, good and bad, and believes the only way is to completely eliminate Sunny. He refuses to acknowledge the reality of the situation completely and refuses to let the true owner of the body remember it and make a choice for himself. And that's just so messed up to me. Why people still respect Omori: - he's a part of Sunny and everyone loves Sunny - his intentions can be seen as good. He was just trying to protect Sunny. [to me he was made by Sunny to protect Sunny but Omori had different plans but yk, each to their own].
I would say black space isnt his memories necessarily... I would say they are his traumatic memories. Im so glad you compared black space to yume nikki because I was thinking the exact same thing! The difference lies in blackspace has a story; which you mentioned and yume nikki is just so random.
I think you being forced to cut open Mewo is a representation of guilt that Sunny felt after it happened. But of course since those memories have been repressed, we get a representation of guilt that doesn't seem to line up to any specfic event.
Spoilers Ig So knowing that Omori is a part of Sunny, that would mean that what he said in the final battle, he felt towards himself (and I guess Basil). I think he never really forgave himself, and that’s probably why Omori said all of the hurtful things that he did in the final battle. Omori took control of himself Sunny’s mind, and he didn’t like the fact that Sunny “Murdered” Mari. He (literally) couldn’t live with that feeling, so he separated it, and stuffed it into Omori so that he wouldn’t have to deal with it. I feel like there’s more to add to this, but that’s all I got for now.
I have DID, known previously as Multiple Personalities Disorder, and it is heavily associated with disassociation and the creations of these people. I relate heavily with sunny and omori because in a way, this is something I feel that I personally experience. While the whole adventure in headspace isn’t exactly something that happens, much of what is done is like others are taking control of my real life actions. I lose all memory of things that happen in real life. To compare it to the game, it’s as if omori was in sunny’s real life and would take control of him, even when associating with friends. It’s genuinely horrifying, that thought, and a lot of those affected by DID have learned how to keep that side of them under control, at least when around others. It’s still such a heavy parallel between what I experience with individuals in my own mind and omori. Those who believe that the ends justify the means, even if it means hurting those you care about or want to meet. This game will forever hit home with me for that reason
I agree, I’m saying he’s “hatable” in the fact of how negatively he’s affected Sunny because Sunny would rather be Omori than forgive himself for what he did.
@@joelsasmad Ok The original argument went more or less like this: "First of all that for me it's very similar to not considering a character like AUTO from WALL-E a character. Second of all, while I don't know if you particularly care about the definition of character, OMORI meets a whole bunch of the requirements to qualify, and has quite a bit of precedent for being considered a character (which I could probably dig up some definitions or documentation with some difficulty). Third, he's a clear agent, operating towards goals, evaluating situations, interacting with his medium, and more. This kind of comment baffles me to be honest" End quote. If you disagree, tell me and I will try to get back to you with questions, and then responses to your answers. I love arguing civilly.
@@morpheus_uat currently i'm basing my info on the original omori boy comics from omocat her(?)self. It was explained that it came from there because that was what the character represented as a whole at the time and also played with her (?) own pen name. ex: OMOcat OMOri, etc.
@@miawmoon8959 oh, i didnt read those comics, i wish it were the other way around, i really like the piano theory tho, you know all those years sunny've been watching mari play there it sure must leave some mark on him
Apperantly I'm apathetic as f*ck cause didn't flinch when omori stabbed himself. I didn't shed a tear during the final duet. I wasn't scared, sad or uncomfortable during my first play through. And I went in blind.
17:53 I don't think that this room is at all saying Sunny did that to his cat. I think it's supposed to emulate rationalizing suicide. You can either do something horrible that you hate that makes *you* horrible, or kill yourself to escape. ***SPOILERS BELOW*** BTW, I don't think most people really ended up hating Omori. He doesn't really do anything that makes you hate him like you do other good villains, he doesn't really have a hateable personality. He's only there to be a part of Sunny's story. I think by the end of Black Space, I ended up being *afraid* of Omori and, by the end of the game, I just wanted Sunny to win. I can't really hate Omori. He's just the worst part of Sunny that he begins to overcome by the end.
I think Griffith is the most well done example of a character made to be hated. Dude spent 100 chapters making you love him just to make him do the most vile things imaginable to other characters you care about. That betrayal spawned more anger towards a fictional character than anything else has even come close to doing for me
Yeah Griffith is a real son of a bitch, and what makes me more angry at him is that he gets everything he wants while Guts is left to suffer. He’s probably my second favorite manga antagonist right behind Johan from Monster
Well I suppose I just look completly different at him, even at those Basil stabbing scenes I didn’t even realize he was stabbing him… I looked at this as in my own dreams: when something important is about to happen, my mind just doesn’t let me.
Good video, but I feel like it’s a somewhat incomplete look at Omori’s character. Some other comments put this idea pretty succinctly, but I still wanna give my two cents. Honestly, I don’t hate Omori. I see him as Sunny’s ego. He keeps the truth from Sunny and will lead to his downfall if not dealt with, but he’s not evil or even malicious. In fact, he’s trying to help Sunny. He wants to suppress and hide away all of the painful memories and pretend everything is okay. He wants to protect him. That’s not to say it’s okay for him to do that. Our egos are not infallible. Just like whole humans, they make mistakes, sometimes for what they believe to be our own good (like Basil staging the suicide to protect Sunny). And just like with humans, we must forgive our egos. Sunny needs to forgive himself. That’s the main conflict of the game after all. Sunny needs to forgive himself. That includes Omori, who is as much a a part of himself as the part who loves Mari, or the part who yearns for the past and to be with his friends again, or the part who hates himself. Hell, the final fight makes it clear that Omori is a summation of all those parts. And that’s what the final fight comes down to. Accepting and forgiving all that darkness and pain, and not hating it for what it’s done. Much like Omori, Sunny did something awful, but he didn’t do it out of hatred or malice, he just made a mistake. And so they both deserve forgiveness.
I'm a bit confused by your concluding statement. You said, "If you don't hate Omori, then maybe you lack the empathy I lack." Your expression at the time you said this highly suggested that you meant to say "then maybe you lack the empathy I have," which is an incredibly divisive statement to make, but I'll address that in a bit. Now, to start, I'm not someone who typically enjoys steeping myself in circles who use fictional characters as a means of making moral judgments about people who sympathize with them or fail to, but in case I'm wrong about what you intended to say or what you accidentally said, I'd like some clarification. What is your objective here? In your intro, you discussed characters you intended to write other video essays on, specifically characters who are considered to be hateable or were written for that assumed purpose. You mentioned Ishida from A Silent Voice, which is where you made the troubling statement, "or, maybe someone you "should" hate... (Ishida). And, of course, you finally settled on Omori, whom you described as "a character you're "supposed" to like, and then the game you play makes you hate them more and more." You then went into the content of itself, which to be fair, isolated from the possible intent, was a good analysis of how precisely the game shows you the depths of how far Omori is willing to go to repress the truth from Sunny, and how radical his actions and apathy toward their nature really are. Obviously, such analysis can only do good, because it describes how and why one may hate the character and reminds us why it is justifiable for people to perceive media in different ways from others. But as you already know, (it would be disingenuous of me to even pretend you don't) a familiar problem arises. Forgive me if I'm wrong (or don't, I don't really care), but there is a strange disconnect between the how and why you describe Omori as being hateable justifiably and the reasons why, assuming this was really was your objective, we "should" hate him. By this I mean that while you give plenty of valid reasons for why Omori could be hated, you give none for why it is an obligation other than the sheer emotion I'm guessing you're trying to attach to the prospect of sympathizing with a character who is morally reprehensible. This of course leads me back to the very hyperbolic statement I'm assuming (based upon the way you often use the words "should" and "supposed") you intended to make but slipped up on. "Then maybe you lack the empathy I have.." If this was what really wanted to say, and if this was really the point of making this video, then I'm legitimately unsettled. I've seen joke Antis (don't ask me how their sense of humor works) for various characters from this fandom around various places, but I've yet to see someone around this fandom who is actually accusing their viewers, to their face, of being morally reprehensible for not hating Omori. I'd really rather not bother getting into the discourse on this matter or the character itself, because discourse is an endless shithole. People perceive media differently, you yourself understand this and how it's justifiable to hate characters you hate, you demonstrated this well in your essay. But if you're seriously going to contradict yourself to a degree this extreme by saying to us, "if you don't perceive media the way I do, then you lack the empathy that I have," then you're an Anti and you should explicitly say so, because if all of my previous observations are correct, then you're trying to project your hatred of fictional characters upon everyone who doesn't. Don't even bother saying, "Oh, I'm not trying to promote hatred, I just want to make it clear I that I think all of you are assholes," because being an Anti necessarily entails that you assume that all Stans of x character are all as morally shitty as you please according to your arbitrary standards, with no actual perception of reality allowed. I know that you know there is no fairness in that, and because there is no fairness in that, you cannot blame me if I go ahead and read the worst possible characteristics into you as well and call you a stain on this fandom or whatever other hyperbolic thing I please, because it's you who bent the rules first. It's you who, under these arbitrary conditions, are dragging us down into purgatory. That said, if everything I just said is wrong and you're not an Anti, then I'm deeply sorry and I hope your channel grows, because I liked your analysis of Omori's ruthless cruelty and how that makes him hateable. I have no problem with people who hate characters for any reason, I just hate people who publicly read moral flaws into people who don't, because that's equivalent to making assumptions without evidence, something toxic and prejudiced as hell, and as you can see, I have several reasons to justify why I think this. However, if you are an Anti, then I welcome to you try to provide counterarguments (or, you know, you can try insulting me to death. either one works just the same).
Honestly that line was just a stinger for content's sake, as well as being a jab at myself. I'm saying the word "hate" in a narrative context. This is more about how Omori is built up to be the antagonist and how Sunny HATES himself and by extension, Omori. Sorry to cause this much confusion. Not really making a definitive statement, just some hyperbole for the end of the video.
@@jeleeoo Understood. No problem, and thanks for responding constructively (I definitely sounded like I was ready to antagonize you, I wouldn't blame you if you found that annoying). I'd still say it might potentially mislead people, but now that this chain exists, any confusion can be cleared up.
also something about the mewo room is that for the entirety of black space with exception to that room, you do not have access to your menu (technically you can get access in the sunny route if you find one of the 2 hidden entrances to black space 2, but most people have 0 clue about that on their first playthrough and you're not really supposed to be there anyways). So if anyone had tried opening their menu before, they'd assume they wouldn't have access to it in the mewo room. So a lot of people, myself included, end up cutting open mewo, thinking it's your only option, only then to realize you still can't leave. So you talk to the cat butler and this time he says the familiar line, "waiting for something to happen?", which at this point you should've associated with stabbing yourself to leave white space. That was the OH SHIT moment for me. So of course I checked my menu, and saw the stab option. This I think is equally as great as stabbing yourself to escape cutting open mewo. The former makes you feel guilty for your actions, and feel like stabbing yourself is the only way to redeem yourself and escape that guilt. On the other hand, the latter makes stabbing yourself more appealing than the incredibly uncomfortable act of cutting open mewo. I'd liken this to the guilt of killing Mari and the horribly uncomfortable task of admitting the truth (both to yourself and to your friends) respectively. In fact both of these things are what Omori leverages against Sunny in the final fight to convince him to kill himself.
This is pure speculation but for me, the throne scene was Omori going back to his save point, waiting for Sunny to need him again. Let me explain... ATTENTION. -I have this theory after finishing Omori's route, so please it will have SPOILERS of Omori's and Sunny's route. This being said, here's my theory- : After the trauma, Sunny created both White space (containing the black space inside the light ball), and Omori. Omori probably appeared first on a save point, and even if we could think it was the white space, it was actually this throne. In Omori's route, Sunny is no longer in control, he sees himself as Omori in the mirror in the real world, and all the ways to learn the truth are avoided. And so, when Omori finds Basil... He doesn't kill him. Why? Because Basil is no longer a threat to Sunny's memories since Omori is in control. And the representation of the "switch" between Sunny and Omori is officially seen with this same place and the same throne... Where we see Sunny, suffering, and Omori, who's sitting on the throne already, stands up, leaves the throne, and takes the place of Sunny. This, before saving Basil and the cutscene where Sunny and Omori hug, before Omori stays forever. The fact that Omori left the throne to take the place of Sunny felt like an "Ok it's my turn now", so he left the "save point", the throne, where the entity of Omori rests when Sunny doesn't need him, to go take the place of Sunny for good. In Sunny's route then, the throne scene is the opposite. Sunny is accepting the truth, so Omori kills the last threat (Basil) before sitting and waiting to be called again. But then is no more called, and instead, he confronts Sunny during the last fight. This, before Sunny destroys the light ball = the "prison" of the black space, because he doesn't fear it anymore. Then he says goodbye to the White space forever with the last bow. In this theory, I guess at first Omori was only coming out of the throne (save point) when he was called and when Sunny needed him. But in 4 years, the white space became more important and Omori fused with it because of the real dissociation. Of course, this theory is mostly based because of the scene in Omori's route :) How do you see it?
I never hated Omori. Or Sunny, for that matter. Omori is the part of Sunny that Sunny hates. The part that hates him back even more. When Omori killed Basil over and over it was, in my mind, a symbol of Sunny repressing his trauma to the extent that he actively was denying reality. You gotta remember, this poor kid was 11 or 12. If you dig into blackspace and blackspace 2, you can find fragmented memories of Sunny's. His dad disowning him (you're not my son) his dad leaving the family (you see a boy sitting in the corner crying. You see a man get in the car and drive away.) His father is never mentioned outside of those events. He's gone. And then, when you start the game...his mother has emotionally abandoned him and is neglecting him. Trauma like that changes the brain, literally. Especially in children. Of course he wanted Basil and the secrets he knew to die with him. That is the mind of a kid who isn't equipped to handle what happened scrambling to protect him. Of course he became a hikkikomori. He felt like he was evil and belonged nowhere. The vicious accusations of Omori during Sunny's fight with him to get to the true ending spells out everything Sunny feels about himself in bold print. I don't see Omori as separate from Sunny. Omori IS Sunny. The Sunny in his head that hates him and tells him he deserves to die and is an irredeemable monster. That is the version of himself Sunny needs to face on his own in order to begin to heal. That's why you get the bad ending if you give up after Omori fells Sunny. Because if Sunny doesn't get back up, then his trauma wins. His nightmare never stops.
14:21 Omori also did something very messed up on top of that - if i understand correctly.. he made the hands... rip off.... Basil's fingers... before stabbing him..
@@jeleeoo That's fair If it helps your case at all I forgot the name you mentioned in the intro already and I haven't gotten there in game lol But I remember they look an awful lot like Beanie Man :pepethink:
My personal interpretation is this: White space is Sunny / Omori’s first defence mechanism when it comes to traumatizing events or reminders of the truth, it has hardly anything in it besides a black lightbulb (the repression of an idea) a laptop, and Mewo, it is designed to be comforting so that Sunny doesn’t think about Mari’s death too much (although Something still invades this space) Headspace is Sunny’s dreams, things are mostly structured but contains various non sensical elements to fill in the gaps in Sunny’s knowledge of the world. However the guilt, grief, and trauma from the Truth occasionally manifest themselves here as unintentionally painful reminders of Mari, hence Something and Blackspace intrude here often. Blackspace is both filled with random nonsense and concentrated pain and contains fragments of the Truth, hence why Something is prevalent here. Blackspace also appears to contain random thoughts that Sunny leaves buried here, we can see this heavily in Blackspace 2 in which early versions of headspace npcs can be found, sort of like an idea graveyard, hence why the trauma and Something is here. Red space is the final defense mechanism, Something’s are kept bottled up and the red hands representing bottling up emotions, and its why Omori is all powerful here. Because Omori is essentially the embodiment of Sunny’s dissociation and unhealthy ways of dealing with emotions, among other things
Obvious revision from the Sunny camp. I always liked Omori more than Sunny always will. Now all you Sunny kulaks to the gulag. Omori did nothing wrong. Omori would never truly killed Basil it was Sunny's corruption that forced him that is why Basil is still alive in the hikikomori route well at least dream Basil.
I like spiders. They really aren't that bad. Most are entirely harmless to humans. I live in Australia and there's only 3 kinds that can really hurt you. Out of hundreds of different species. Bees are way more dangerous by comparison
I’ve mellowed out on spiders, they’re fine and a lil’ helpful. Especially considering wolf spiders are in my area (you stomp on one, 5 million more pop out). It’s the roaches that are terrifying.
"I'm sure on everyone's first playthrough they felt uncomfortable and unsettled when they first had to stab...you know" Actually no I was dying of laughter for some reason ._. it was just funny to see lmao
Me who love omori more n more through the playthrough: I love omori, he was doing what he was supposed to do. If he didnt, sunny probs would have already lost to his trauma years back. Edit: i also see omori and sunny as the same person, omori being a part of sunny and not a diff personality or character
You're misunderstanding Omori and the point. Its perfectly normal to fantasize or even imagine hurting people as long as that stays within our heads, its called being a human being. You dehumanize Sunny by judging him for having these human emotions, there is clear evidence that Basil accidentally Killed Mari himself as her eyes are closed the entire time but woops they're opened when they turn around after she's been hanged meaning she died afterward. So yeah you'd probably hate basil too secretly if he killed your sibling even by mistake
I disagree, ive hear this theory before and it fits but its not right. When Sunny put Mari down "to rest" for a while, it was said (by Basil i think?) that she wasn't breathing, had no emotion and looked soulless so im pretty sure she was dead before they hung her. Others have said that she most likely died from the impact of the fall. Although, this headcanon would be more miserable and depressing if they hung Mari when she was just unconscious😭
@@TertiaryQuota You're right. This is directly stated in the hidden descriptions of the photos in the truth's album, but for in-game evidence, this is also shown in the actual Truth segment (the part right before you have all photos of the fall, you can talk to Mari's body in bed, and it says she isn't breathing). Basil definitely didn't kill Mari. Many people have argued that her eye was open because of an automatic response to being hanged. Dead bodies can still have muscle contractions, for various reasons. Mari's neck probably snapped when she fell down the stairs. If that didn't happen and she was just unconscious, then she got major head trauma, to the point of being unable to breath without assistance (and her body might not've been able to beat its own heart properly as well, if we're talking about automatic things that weren't working), while in the protection of two horrified, panicked twelve year olds who never had a reason to learn CPR. Suffocating only takes about 7 minutes. She was doomed the moment she fell down that staircase. Sunny probably doesn't even hate Basil... Omori is an unhealthy coping mechanism gone rogue. Basil keeps appearing in Headspace cycles because Sunny likes him and considers him his best friend, and Omori keeps getting rid of him because he reminds Sunny of the truth. If Sunny truly didn't want Basil around, wouldn't he be repressed in Black Space forever, like everything else there?
@@bdura2021 Thank you so much for adding to my points! I totally agree and another thing, i think Mari not being able balance herself properly perhaps partially contributed to her death (im definitely not a doctor so take this with a grain of salt) It was mentioned that Mari had a permanent injury to her left knee. Also i kept contemplating if Sunny despised Basil but then again if he really hated him he also wouldn't have attempted to save Basil when Aubrey shoved him into the lake and used his fear of drowing as an excuse. Or maybe not even then cause it'd cause more distress perhaps in this case. Sorry for the long paragraphs
Sorry I probably should’ve mentioned this in the video but, these were my thoughts on my first play through before I learned the truth, you’re probably right (or maybe not looking at the replies idk) but those were my thoughts on my first time playing this amazing game.
If you mean at the very beginning of the section, Fleur (Omori). If you mean when I actually start talking about Yume Nikki, you’re looking for Barracks Settlement.
I don't hate Omori because his actions to me are pure function. Everything Omori says at the end is something that Sunny believes, or that Omori is that part of him that believes that. Omori is a sort of self defense mechanism for Sunny, even though both Sunny and Omori thinks Sunny is a terrible person and will never be forgiven. He's not a character to me, not a complete one. By that I mean Omori and Sunny are one being. They need to be considered together, as joined entities. Edit: Also, I saw some videos related to everyone's emotions. Omori is the only one who can feel Manic, Miserable, or Furious, but can't feel Fear. Meanwhile, Sunny can't even feel most level 2 emotions besides stressed out, and he can't feel happy at all. It's almost like Omori contains his strong anger, sadness, and even all his happiness, while Sunny has all the fear, weak sadness and anger.
i havent been here very long, but in my time here ive noticed pretty quickly how antagonized omori is. and in all honesty, i dont understand it. the way i understood it, all omori is is basically just a physical representation of coping mechanisms and survival instincts. taken the appearance of sunnys younger self. an inner child, if you will. his role is to "protect" sunny from his memories, via repressing them and making him forget what happened. so with that in mind...why exactly is he the villain here? thats such a common coping mechanism for people, especially children, so i dont. understand. this black and white view of things is pretty ironic, given the subject matter, honestly.
I think it has something to do with how after Sunny learns the truth Omori goes from being a coping mechanism to being the literal embodyment of Sunny's trauma and guilt but i'm not sure.
I personally never liked Basil and even with knowing the truth, what Basil did I'm still struggling to forgive him for. It's hard to explain and he does get some leeway because he was 12 at the time. I usually don't lack empathy, but I cannot seem to find any for Basil, while Omori, as a coping mechanism, is much more easy to forgive. I think this is because his actions are all 1) caused by Basil's action and 2) never actually had any physical effect aside from the attempt to shield Sunny for the terrible thing that happened. I feel so bad for Sunny. It was an accident and he didn't mean to kill Mari, but Basil, while having good intensions absolutely did a terrible thing. Staging Mari's death as a suicide rather than an accident is actually 1) making them both guilty of something illegal 2) causing them both extra emotional scarring 3) is absolutely disrespectful to Mari and 4) hurt everyone around them so much more than them knowing it was an accident. Making them think they weren't there for her or good enough to support her through some unseen struggle ruined all of them. Sunny and Mari's parents, Hero, Audrey, Kel, all of them were hurt way further than they would have been knowing the truth. And because it was an accident and Sunny only being 12, there'd be an at most minimum time at some sort of correction fascility and that's like worst case scenario. Therefore I think Basil is the worse of the two of them and also that's a really sick thought to have for a 12-year-old. To hang up the body of his friend in the backyard. That's sick. So yeah, I really dislike Basil and I did so way more than I ever did Omori.
I really don't think you should blame Basil. He suffered and felt guilt just as much as Sunny to the point he offs himself in the neutral endings because he feels so guilty for what he did to Mari and Sunny. To Forgive Sunny but not Forgive Basil is a bit unfair especially considering what Sunny did was equally bad, if not worse than what Basil did as Sunny did a literal manslaughter. An accidental Manslaughter, but still a manslaughter. Basil covered it up and was running on pure raw fear and desire to protect his best friend. He didn't want Sunny to go to jail and was afraid and I'm sure he wasn't thinking of the fact it'll make things worse for them during the entire situation as he was y'know horrified at the fact he witnessed his own best friend kill his own sister and was focused on trying to help Sunny as Sunny was out of it and they needed to do something. And for the tying of the noose thing, Basil most likely already had mental health issues before the game. His parents were hardly around and he didn't even have Polly around till recently. The only people he even had around was just his grandmother and Sunny and the friend group. I also doubt he had any friends other than Sunny and others too. So he probably already had existing mental health issues and might have even considered suicide before. which is why he knew how to tie a noose. Young people can still be suicidal even with a group of friends. They even fake happiness too. Also Basil vented to Sunny very often which is something suicidal people do. It's incredibly fucked up of Basil to do that to Mari's body for sure but he had limited time and needed to help Sunny quickly and could have used the idea of something he thought of before to to try and cover it up.
@@row7356 I'll admit my opinion is probably largely coloured by the fact that Mari is my favourite and I just didn't like Basil, so I'm harder on him than I would be if I'd liked him more. What he did was on purpose and what Sunny did was an accident, and by law what Basil did was way worse. Manslaughter carries a 10-16 months prison sentence, at least in the US, while tampering with evidence, worst case, which I'd argue tampering with a murder scene is, can end up with 20 years in prison. Now, neither of them are going to prison, because they were kids and only 12 at the time, but clearly what Basil did is legally worse.
I kinda don't hate OMORI. OMORI is just doing his job to protect SUNNY. Too well, perhaps. OMORI thinks it's best if SUNNY forgets the bad things, that it's best if he stays inside and dreams forever. SPOILERS UNDER READ MORE When he confronts SUNNY in the SUNNY ROUTE, he tells SUNNY that he'll never be forgiven and such, out of concern that SUNNY's friends would hate him if he confessed. Though I can't say the same about everything else he says. That's the only thing that makes me come close to hating OMORI. But I kinda feel indifferent about him. Because he was just doing exactly what he was created for.
what do you mean? I don't hate OMORI, it's a brilliant character, who surprised me so many times, i've never hated and still don't hate him, i hate only one character in this game - Basil, he was abusing Sunny, referring to help him with /spoiler/ and hiding truth about it and never saying it to anyone, he blackmailed Sunny by this, to make him be always with Basil, and in the end of game you can see what happened after Basil realize that he can't hold him by this thing anymore, he turned into maniac and trying to hold Sunny with him by strength and fear.
I don’t understand how Basil not revealing the truth about maris manslaughter was blackmailing. Do you even know what that means? It would literally be the exact opposite scenario, in which instead Basil uses Maris death as a way to keep Sunny with him forever. But that’s not what happened? How is Basil not wanting Sunny to go to jail blackmailing. And did you forget the whole entire confrontation with Basil and Sunny? In which Basil states, OUT LOUD, that he’s convinced “something” made Sunny kill Mari, and that he’s not “going to let it hurt Sunny anymore”, which is why he proceeds to go “maniac” as you put it. The story makes it clear that both of them experience severe hallucinations. It was literally that simple.
Also I’d love if you’d remember that they were both mutually stabbing eachother and didn’t even know it was happening. It wasn’t some merciless attempt to put Sunny in critical condition to make him unable to leave him. It was both of them having incredibly deep rooted bonded trauma that made them experience incredibly horrible paranoia and hallucinogenic episodes in which they very well imagined both their weapons for simple dark matter. I cannot believe you are literally blaming Basil for all Sunny’s mental problems. He had no childhood with his parents and may I remind you his grandma had literally died the day they fought.
The fact that people misunderstand Basils character and try and demonize him when he's just as tramuatized and mentally broken as Sunny is incredibly messed up. Basil is a victim just like Sunny and Mari.
@@row7356 People who demonize Sunny or Basil and publicly declare that you're a horrible person for stanning either one should just admit they neither understand mental illness nor want to. Not that the above commenter was doing that, however. People are free to provide reasons for why they hate a character, it becomes problematic only when they apply the same judgements to the stans (in which case, they're just as helpful as anyone with any prejudice). I personally have quite a heart for Basil, though. It does irritate me a lot whenever people act as though he had malign intentions from the start. Most of his character is driven by fear, empathy, the desire to protect, and of course, severe abandonment issues. People are free to argue that he did unbelievably awful things, but his intentions were pure and evil only in consequence. If he had gotten therapy, he wouldn't have gone off the rails and stabbed Sunny in the eye, hoping to free him from Something. And one can't really hold him responsible for that either, since his guilt of his secret was so strong that the only person he trusted anymore was Sunny. It's really Polly's fault for not seeing what should have been the ticking bomb in actual plain sight (but in all likelihood Basil was very skillful at hiding everything by that point, also Polly never struck me as too intelligent, so arguably you can't blame her either). All in all, the more you analyze Basil, the morally greyer he becomes. I personally dislike people who hate Basil, but the real problem are the Antis, because in this case, Basil Antis are judging people as morally inferior by the sheer fact they don't hate a character who has severe mental issues. (which in of itself is kind of frightening).
