@@wesleymouch7498 hahahaha you mean like lampposts do? Or traffic sign posts? Or billboards? Other cars and trucks? Or any other structure for that matter? Have you ever driven by a structure that doesn't move, and worried that you couldn't pass it safely because you were worried for the wind? I mean.....reallyyyyyyy?????? And we are not speaking about hurricanes or tornado's let that be clear.
They would also serve as a method to diffuse road noise intruding in to residential areas. You could even make them look like trees, offering more surface to interact with the wind be aesthetically pleasing.
Aside from the fact that they still haven't delivered a single working generator to market despite promising one by 2015. According to their own website, development is only 90% done, production 10% done, they don't have the proper certification yet, and work on commercialization hasn't even begun. It's already 6 years overdue and they're still not even close to being ready.
This will allow home owners to be energy independent, especially when combined with solar. This is guerrilla energy creation at it’s best. I lived through the recent Great Texas Winter Storm Black-Out dealing with four days of zero power and zero temps. I don’t want to go through that ever again. When you depend solely on the grid you’re setting yourself up for failure.
One 9 meter tall Vortex Atlantis has an installed capacity of 1 kW. This is roughly equal to: 1/10000 ths of a regular HAWT-turbine 3 by 3 m (9 by 9 ft) of solar panels
@@mrseanpaul81 They are certainly able to power an American home. But that doesn’t mean its a good idea. It is entirely possible to power an American home by employing a crowd on treadmills. Whether it is a good idea or not probably depends on the situation and perspective. From a national point of view these turbine-less generators are very costly both financially and environmentally compared to regular wind turbines. This is simply because they are less efficient and therefore you have to construct more of them to get the desired power. From a personal financial point of view it might be beneficial for you to produce your own electricity at a higher cost since you don’t have to pay taxes and distribution costs on what you produce, though not sure how this works in the US. So in this way something like these turbine-less generators might be viable, though I suspect buying electricity from the grid will still be much cheaper in almost all cases. And even if these turbine-less generators would be cheaper than buying electricity from the grid, solar panels would be so much cheaper still. Of course solar panels don’t produce power evenly around the year, but this isn’t really an issue for most people since the goal is just to replace some expensive electricity from the grid with your own cheap electricity and you probably wan't a short payback time. The seasonal variations of solar power only becomes a problem if you are trying to replace a larger amount of your annual electricity needs which probably wouldn’t be financially motivated anyway. As a final note I might add that going completely independent and producing all of your own electricity isn't necessarily good for the environment in the long run. For an example 10000 of these 9 meter generators would almost certainly be worse than one regular turbine. Although if your electricity is fossil based solar panels are probably much better for the environment.
The diagram at 2:29 doesn't show how the oscillating motion is translated into linear motion in the generator. This must surely be the critical part of the design. It will be very difficult to make a mechanical connection that will withstand millions of oscillation cycles whilst transmitting a high force and to do it quietly.
And when will it become so worn that the energy is absorbed by the wobble in the material instead of the generator? You need absolute stiffness for this to work.
Excellent find thanks for sharing. I had dismissed wind power as not being practical or worthwhile for my area. These Vortex seem to be very worthwhile! 👍🏽
@@robine916 Depends on your needs. If you are connected to the grid and just want to save some money by producing electricity yourself, then only solar will in most cases offer you the shortest payback. If you want to produce a larger portion of your electricity needs, then it will be more expensive and it might cost more than you gain. If you do it for other reasons than cost, that could be fine, but a HAWT will probably be better. Also depending on where you live, producing your own electricity from small HAWTs or VAWTs might be worse for the environment if the electricity you would otherwise buy from the grid comes from large scale wind, hydro or possibly nuclear.
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It better be 10 000-times less than a regular HAAWT-turbine, because that's roughly how many it would take to produce the same power. (for the 9 m version)
Hi Stuart, Vortex Bladeless is a Spanish company in its infancy, in fact. And they claim that there is much less noise (even unnoticeable) than with usual turbines. On the vibration issue not sure but I would bet is not that severe given most of the vibration itself is converted into energy and the “tiny” size of the device. Regards!
This is a interesting question, because there will be complaints. "Many complained about the 5G antenna with headaches and skin irritation, imagine what happens when we turn it on?"
Look promising, Question is there any noise treated? If yes that would be a deal-breaker. This could be very bad with more than one in cluster producing harmonic feedback.
Well presented, but this does sound like another VAWT pipe dream to me. Simply citing nominal wattage is useless; what do they produce in a normal but windy location, say average wind speed 7 m/s? I'd love to see these work, but there is a lot more hard data needed before we applaud.
Why try to harness low winds? Put thousands of huge turbines in the Dakota's which have high winds constantly. Then spend the money of high voltage transmission lines to get it where there is electricity demand. If Singapore can get electricity from Australia, we can get it from the Dakota's to Chicago.
True, years ago I was pointed to 'Sheerwind Invelox windtechnology', that too promised wind harvest figures that were too good to be true in my opinion and......they turned out to be too good to be true.
@@zedzed5276 the main use case for this is for places where you cannot build big wind turbines. If you put it in a place that's big enough to put thousands of these then you are better off with a wind turbine. As per the video, wind turbines are more efficient per size. I think this is better suited to be placed near busy highways, where vehicles generate wind and vibration. Put them on highways along with the streetlights, then maybe they can charge batteries during the day that can be used by streetlights during the night.
They will need to be installed everywhere. One regular wind turbine (HAWT) produces the same amount of electricity as 10000 or more of the 9 meter Vortex Atlantis. A 3 by 3 m (9 by 9 ft) area of solar panels will probably produce a similar amount of electricity as one 9 meter Vortex Atlantis. In short, this turbine-less wind generator is a cool idé with very few practical applications.
Thanks for another informative video. Now waiting until they become more efficient and can run an average house without other sources of electricity and they become affordable and for sale to public.
These sure would cut down on the blight to the landscape caused by those blades. Use sky blue colorant in the plastic so they are less obtrusive. Excellent innovation!
(1) What are the sound levels and frequencies to expect depending on wind speed? How many % of the generated energy go into sound generation? (2) How does power ouput drop with off optimal windspeed?
@@wowalamoiz9489 I thought that a CRATER design might work, Basically have a set of flat or concave shaped blades on a shaft being pushed directly against the wind, the lower portion shielded in a bowl, hence crater... the central shaft would roll around the lip of the concave bowl leaving the upper blades exposed and directly facing the wind. this would harness a huge amount of the winds energy and could be scaled to work with real craters or natural features...
@@wesleymouch7498 that actually might be an idea worth looking into ! but windbelts would still probably be cheaper per W and yet they never found their market
@@ottodidakt3069 With current materials they are very fragile/short life span. Need to be able to handle heavy rain, hail, bugs, stones, etc.. There were also noise challenges. Patent holder moved on to modular micro solar.
Modern wind turbines have blades not without reason, they can harvest a way more energy from wind than other designs, its most simple, effective, and cause a reasonable CO2 footprint meanwhile production and after in maintenance phase. We use now 8MW generators at sea, you need to build 8000 of these towers to gain equal amount of energy. Effortless
This is fantastic technology ,I am from India I saw this and I got interst in this technology ,I feel it will be better if we work out we can use in india
I think this is really great. Now, make it so all those invested in and profiting from those bird killers that take so many resources, will get money from this, because that's all the really care about. On a positive note, I will buy into this.
@@n.g.s1mple29 It's about the same power as what a kettle uses, though mine uses 1.5kW. You can get the same power from a 3 by 3 m (9 by 9 ft) area of solar panels. And a regular wind turbine is a lot larger but will probably produce about 10000 times more electricity over a year.
A perpetual scoop type of wind catch with shaft to the ground placing maintenance on the ground and line up to scoops for any lubricants and a remote camera to observe wear. A man in Tulsa Oklahoma made one at the corner height of his fence out of two barrels cut half, an old car generators and several D8 batteries and was actually selling electricity back to OG&E. Neighbors complaining of it being an eye sore force him to remove it. I believe that individual systems for homes is a much more practical and inexpensive way to capture wind energy like solar and doesn’t destroy the view of the horizons. Government low interest loans, subsidies and/tax cuts could motivate homeowners and builders to incorporate individual wind generators and allow them credit for energy push back into the grid that they don’t use. This would create millions of generators easier maintenance and repairs and could easily be made safe for people and animals. Rather than Monterey’s eye sore requiring countless problems and destroying the natural beauty of our landscape and filling landfills when they eventually fail. Government always wants control and are so short sighted and always spend more than the private sector for inferior results, hopefully this idea will be explored and focus on the job creation it would create.
I was curious about the noise generated by these structures. At high speeds, would an irritating noise be produced due to the revolving structure? Perhaps a harmonic or high-pitched frequency? Or even a low-pitched frequency that would be heard in the distance? Before these are marketed and sold, a decibel level rating and frequency band produced should be analyzed before selling. These might be part of a solution but I see the possibility of noise from these.
Lower LCOE seems very unlikely, based on the scaling law stated a 144m tall version would generate 256 kw, meaning you would need around a dozen to get the same output as one modern HAWT. But at a 144m height your going to be looking at similar installation costs from the foundations and on sight assembly as a conventional turbine which would lead to a much higher LCOE if trying to create the large windfarms we see today.
So I'm not advocating for this company: I haven't seen prices and know nothing about them, so I'm not saying that I **know** that LCOE will be lower or even in the ballpark. But with that disclaimer out of the way... ...You're comparing the wrong things. at 144m you're talking grid scale production. These systems are generating between 3 watts and 1000 watts. They're obviously not being marketed towards power producers or electric utilities. These are marketed toward the individual home owner who wants to go off grid (or at least reduce their electric bill ando maintenance themselves, have a very different LCOE than grid scale installations. This won't nee
This is awesome! I’ve always thought this power generator needed more investment and development. I wonder if it could be made to fit into urban environments like they have done with cellphone towers. On a punny side note, this industry could have powered over 1400 Delorean rime machines.🤔
Jim Remmell: Windless turbines, you mean like steam turbines? Or water turbines? You know, the old turbine technology? As far as "sunless solar panels" go, ever hear the word 'oxymoron'?
@@toobad9946 Yep, and on a good day, I can even spell it. It's difficult to interpret some forms of humour in writing sometimes. BTW, the Oxford English Compact D. defines 'facetious' as trivial or inappropriately humourless. I did not know that.
@@karenburrows9184 That particular version of english (Oxford) certainly has it's own quirks. It even has it's own comma! As far as facetious humour being inappropriate, I suspect that is only when the object is offended by their own actions (frequently hypocrisy) being subjected to the spotlight. In this era, taking offense seems to be a default position. Those are generally the same individuals who define and correspondingly react to everything as sarcasm...if only they could spell facetious!
@@toobad9946 So nice to speak to someone with a considered opinion (seriously!). I have always interpreted 'facetious' as being synonymous with humour which is sarcastic or mocking. That being said, my comments were not intended to wound. I agree that today's prevalent attitude of righteous indignation is, well, offensive. Sorry if I came across as sarcastic. I truly wasn't sure how to interpret your proposed definitions.
Exciting, depending on the reality of low(er) cost & low maintenance. Installer costs may be kept down if power companies jump on the gridwagon. So interesting!
It better be 10000 times safer since that is how many of the 9 meter Vortex Atlantis you would require to produce the saame amount of electricity as one regular HAWT-turbine. And one Vortex Atlantis also better be safer than about 3 by 3 m (9 by 9 ft) of solar panels because this is probably roughly how much electricity that is being produced.
I saw something about this type of turbine a year or so ago.Great Idea if the vibration dampening on the turbine doesn't translate into the building it's mounted on. Put 2 in a line and hang clothes on them. The wind drying the clothes creates 2x the vibration. You get dry clothes and power not dry clothes and a bill.
So how do they deal with material fatigue. How do they tune them so they will vibrate? Can they variable tune them do they work at more than one wind speed.
Ironically, the main selling point of this aren't those of any which mentioned at videos above. It's good because you don't need large space and you can install it on building/cities safely.
What a great idea! We're definitely going to have to change the way we capture wind power moving forward. Now that turbines have become so ubiquitous it's becoming clear that they have many unintended disadvantages, from production, to disposal of used blades. Unfortunately, it looks like these wouldn't be as scalable as a turbine farm, though I'm sure there's going to be places where these would be perfect.
Nice video. Maybe consider including the average energy produced by the wind turbines industry as well. These oscillating turbines should produce a greater percentage of capacity then traditional horizontal over their lifetime.
Been using vortex shedders for years to measure flow. Known as vortex flowmeters, they employ the Von Karman (sorry, don't know how to do accented vowels) effect to generate a signal whose frequency is proportional to fluid flow. This is merely a scaled up version.
It's good that we have a lot of wind and solar generation but it should be noted that such generation REQUIRES conventional electrical backup generation capacity (for when the wind stops and the sun goes down). More wind power means bigger conventional power plants with larger furnaces and a larger footprint. They don't have to be in full production all the time but they need to be brought online quickly in the event of high-winds (which shuts down wind turbine generation) and cloudy days. Bigger power plants require more people, more maintenance, etc. Wind and solar make the whole system cost a lot more, which is okay if that's what you want. But I rarely (if ever) hear the proponents of these technologies talk about that aspect of it.
Furthermore, i'd think of the Flettner rotor that was installed on some ships which rather resembles a sail. Or the SheerWind Invelox windtube. Or perhaps even use the "flow" in abandoned railway tunnels
@@Alarix246 Some few techniques must be selected and the special parts generated. If every enabled handycrafter does his own thing, hardly any connective combination can occur. But most men have to like their own ideas (thinking)
@@Alarix246 The entire civilisation optimizing would be very slow in its integer process, searching aspects and learning how to assess them, to weigh them up. China partly succeeds at this huge or overwhelming task, "thinking in decades", but the price for that is slaveing the participators, although i am not a "liker of china". As soon as one thinks he knows we he wants complexity, and the simple life "shall not be nice enough anymore" who could explain branches of any technique or style, just to forfill the urge of kinda keeping the people(s) amongst each other? To me, many humans seem need to hide from knowledge-like aspects to "enjoy", not logically approachable it seems. We can explain, but keeping a "straight pace" is not in simple humans hands, right?
This sounds cool but gives me alot more questions. Such as how much do these things cost compared to there power output. And how long can the operate before they break down and need to be replaced. These are some of the main reasons the giant blade wind generators are not popular. And since these one generate power in Kilowatts and not megawatts you may need 1000 of them to equal one typical wind tubine.... So it would be handy to know specifically its kilowatt output. if its 500 per turbine then that would be half a megawatt, and that sounds pretty good.
Unfortunately, this type of generator is prone to fatigue wear due to sustained vibrational load. So that discretion needed when placing it next to populated areas.
@@tabularasa0606 So you discredit Nicola Tesla then I guess. Correct? Meaning you're more knowledgeable than him. Therefore I'm now interested and expect my belief to proven incorrect by the evidence YOU are going to share. I'm all ears, everydays a school day . . . .
Cool video. I didn't even know this existed and I spent a long time in my undergrad studying turbines. I still believe nuclear is the best cost to efficiency ratio for wide scale use but this can be fit near roads to squeeze out some more egreen nergy.
It's good to think outside the box but we need practical cost effective solutions. This product is only good as food for thought.. in practice it's inefficient and cost prohibiteve .
It doesn't need lubricant but it also makes no power. Bladeless "turbines" have been debunked several times. The physics just doesn't make sense. This company has been talking about this product for years with no practical demonstration of the technology actually producing power... vaporware.
@@unglaubichuberlieber8048 I'm pretty sure the video presented no actual test of the technology and no real world data. As I said, this has been debunked before.
@@unglaubichuberlieber8048 The video presented a 9 meter wibbly generator probably capable of producing the same energy as a 1/10000ths of a regular HAWT-turbine or a 3 by 3 meter area with solar panels. There is clearly no need for an actual demonstration.
