BLOCK AND REPORT!! // GM VLADIMIR KRAMNIK vs FM TYKHON CHERNIAIEV  

e4 is refuted nowadays in top level chess, so actually 1.d4 1.c4 and 1.Nf3 are becoming more popular options

@@user-ym8if1jf3l jajajajajaj e4 refuted jajajajaja

@@user-ym8if1jf3l 1. e4 is mainline bongcloud theory which is undefeated in top level chess.

​@@user-ym8if1jf3lyou're joking

​@@user-ym8if1jf3lCan you provide the refutation please? Many thanks.

yeah, it's one of the funniest things ive seen for a while!

hahaha

Really sad

Kramnik is 50x the. Player this kid will ever be , this teenager has a 0.001 percent chance of becoming a world champion and kramnik has a 100 percent chance at the same feat

@@ethantodd3558 You've got to be out of your mind. Perhaps the kid has no chance of becoming world champion, I'll give you that. That's because a lot of teenagers nowadays have access to the same training resources and a lot of those teenagers are really skilled. But Kramnik having a 100% chance at becoming the world champion? :)) Kramnik - whilst a really good player for his time - became world champion for the sole reason that Kasparov got stubborn and wanted to prove that he can tear down the Berlin wall. What are you talking about? Nowadays Kramnik stands no chance at the world champion title. Kasparov himself (keeping in mind who's the competition) has no chance to that title nowadays. But all of this doesn't even matter. The fact of the matter is that Kramnik got so obtuse he's unable to admit defeat. In his mind he's only defeatable by machines.

@@evalaviniabucur1789 kramnik is and will forever be a world champion

@@ethantodd3558 and what a world champion he is, indeed! So much dignity, so much fairplay :)

​@@ethantodd3558 his sad ass would get whooped by every player in the Candidates today lololol

He was actually shocked that the pawn move in a drawing position. Because it's a move no one would think to play and was unnecessary. One out of only two moves that were not losing.

Kramnik is playing fine. He's just a little slow. He needs a longer time increment.

@@cooloutac nope, that’s your estimate of the situation and besides; making 1 of 2 moves that eventually won’t lose the game is pretty much the general situation in games at this level from move 5 already anyway. The fact that Kramnik completely miscalculated the danger level of that unpleasant zwischenzug shows an arrogant sloppy carelessness. The pawn is right there; 2 squares away, if it moves ahead it’s practically a free move as long as no immediate checkmates are threatening

@FenceThis my estimate? I'm terrible at chess I simply used the stock fish engine to analyze the position. Lol. So openings are different for them for move five then everybody else? Stop it lol. The more obvious move is kight checks H3. The kid decided to go for a flag and whether he did it for the content or did it because he's cheating is impossible to know. either way he probably wouldn't have done it against Hikaru or Magnus, and wouldn't have done it if he wasn't a streamer. it's simply very suspicious. The most suspicious of all was how he was acting with his audience as if he wasn't going to make those moves. As if he was confused about the queen G4 move but deadpanned on the D4 move. Very weird.

@@cooloutac going for a flag is fine - part of the game, and Kramnik should be prepared and upfront at the situation. He’d tried the chance against anyone including Hikaru and Magnus, just as they’d do the same, happens all the time.

Tons of kids like that that never make it in the big leagues. Lol

You suck with math huh, 9 years 11 months plus 4 years one month is 14 years old.

you can be good at the game and still cheat..

@@cooloutac Tykhon will make it for sure. He definitely will be GM.

@@danielguardman3530 Being a GM is one thing. beating super gms in major opens is another lol.

In a way thats a big complement...😅

hahaha

That's High Praise!

He needs better mouse skills. Maybe fish oil to help with stiff joints.

You can’t win all the time regardless of age. Besides, you’re talking from a completely different standpoint. You have no chess career behind you nor have you ever been a world champ. You’re just sitting there having opinions.

Kramnik destroys top GMs nowadays (he even won against fabi in the last title Tuesday )

@saaddidouz7357 he's also beat dubov in tt. Levon aronian. He was rated 3000 lol. The guy literally came third behind Magnus and Hikaru in the world Blitz championships of 2020. Most of these kids that own him online wouldn't even finish top 40, that the claim it's because of better Mouse movement is just hilarious.

@@cooloutac ok, and Rafael Vaganian was second in World Blitz Championship 1988, but this doesn't mean he's still got the power of crushing everyone...

he loses so often getting outplayed with barely any reasonable fighting chance against random FMs.. but can play very competitive games against even the most elite GMs..?!! make it make sense plz.. cuz it's clear you don't watch how his matches against other GMs in TT go.. the way those go.. you'd think Fabi, Levon and others are all washed and overrated..

It's really weird, all these default avatar accounts hard defending Kramnik, like Kramnik wasn't accusing Hikaru of cheating a while ago. Very strange.

Any strong player who understands d4 after It was played, realizes It never crossed his Mind and why that is, Will react exactly the same as kramnik did

I don't think he ever said it's impossible to find for a human player he said it's just an unlikely and amazing move. If the roles were reversed I bet that kid would have fell for the Trap and took with pawn instead of the knight. But for me as a beginner Noob it just seems to me as the more unlikely move out of the only two that were not losing moves, because I think most people would not try to flag in that drawing position because it's more likely they would lose to a super GM and hurt their tournament chances. But for a streamer taking a chance against kramnik is much more profitable for them and at this point it seems like the fashionable thing to do. Cheetahs also know the website does not take his complaints seriously like they do with Hikaru or Magnus for example. They have shown they are very vindictive website and don't like criticisms against them even from Fabiano.

I mean, if you feel there is something, and NH3 is not working, you can find that move...

@@user-um1gn8hs5f kramnik said it didn't cross his mind remotely. I'm 2300 and didn't either. I assure you most strong players feel the same way

@user-um1gn8hs5f why would NH3 not be working?

You are uninformed. There are many ways a player can cheat that involve the ability to premove.

Jokes aside, I'm actually wondering how this is handled by the Swiss system. If you're performing well and supposed to play against the top player but you've blocked him, and maybe you've also blocked everyone in the top 20, you'll play against player 21? This seems unfair (for the others). Are blocked players really blocked during tournaments?

​@@DexM47 Blocking doesn't do anything in tournaments

@@joshjac81010 to kids who come from a cheating culture of manipulating ratings they think you could just manipulate anything it's insane. Didn't even cross his mind how unsporting that would be if the website was to allow it smh....

@joshjac81010 these kids are so indoctrinated by a cheating culture they think someone can manipulate tournaments like that and it blows my mind. They talk as if it's allowed and acceptable. Lol

@@joshjac81010 kids today where cheating is so common, Believe you can manipulate results in so many sorts of ways and they think its literally allowed. Such a shame.

Whats becoming obvious to me. IS that players like HIkaru, Magnus are the only guys now who get taken seriously by the website so noone cheats against them. Even Wesley So once accused Tigran Petrosian of looking down on camera and cheating on social media, who eventually admitted it and got banned. But now noone is allowed to say anything? The websites just censor everyone? Very strange, although this has been the problem as to why e-sports have not been popular for 30 years. The feeling of unatural matchups or gameplays along with the anonymity is just too much for society to respect. No safeguards at all. 0. I figured that because chess is the only one that is played the same in both digital and physical worlds they would be the one to change things. Start to apply at least the same sporting principles we apply in real life. But I feel it is too much lord of the flies and the organizations are exploiting these kids not caring how corrupt they are making them.

Looks to me like he's having the time of his life playing online. But as more and more players make accounts online less and less people are becoming fans of the game. The CEO of the website himself says it's not marketable he can't get any sponsorships and he's probably going to bail out in 5 years.

@@Megaestatesalesweb not according to his accuracy. The kid just found an amazing Blitz move to flag him.

kramnik was never graceful. he has been like this all his life.

@@redscar183 Actually Vishy Anand has always talked about how Kasparov wouldn't even talk to him. But Kramnik was always very sociable and friendly with him even after Vishy would beat him. He says Kasparov is the type of guy that likes to keep his potential competitors at a distance not to lose his killer instinct against them, But Kramnik was never like that. this is coming from Vishy Anand my friend. Literally the only "nice" world champion besides Capablanca in all of Chess history. Add Kramnik to the list of those 3. You are talking about a guy that ran Chess Camps in India when asked buddy. Someone who actually still follows their careers. Kasparov also once said though, that to be a world champion you can't be a pushover. And no competitive player likes losing. Even Vishy Anand totally snapped, even scaring Magnus once, at a press conference when he lost the WCC to him. banged on the table, yelled at a reporter then stormed out. It is called being Human. But guys like Kramnik and Vishy don't hold grudges and are able to get over it. Unlike alot of players.

Because only 4% of titled players are stupid enough to even play in this tournament. You would have to be naive and crazy to take it seriously. Because the CEO has already told Perpetual Chess Podcast last week he can't get any sponsorhips to host tournaments. People would rather watch their favorite streamer smurf and sandbag on low rated players for entertainment and that is the culture that was created by a corrupt website exploiting kids and anonymity. For Kramnik it was his career and is his life's passion and he is simply trying to save what you already destroyed. The problem is online gaming companies never actually ban anyone. The only people who should not be allowed in this tournament or those players who fall into such suspicions and have never proved such performances in more secure environments to earn the chance to win money from career professionals imo.

@cooloutac I really dont get this 4% argument at all. How is 4% out of literally every titled player in the world a small number? For a single tournament held two times every week isnt that substantial? Also among the regular stupid participants you can find the best players in the world. Magnus, Hikaru, Fabi and Alireza literally all played in the most recent one

@@cooloutacare you autistic or something?

@@Noname-nk5kv so you don't think its strange at all? 96% of active titled players don't play in the tournament not even for fun? it sure as hell is weird to me buddy, but the answer to the question of why is not. The answer is extremely obvious.

don't you have to stream to participate in tt?

Lol 😂

This is the way.

if kraminik took it with his pawn he would lose material at the end of the line,If take with horse the position is equal

Both Black rook and Queen are aiming at white knight. But Black knight is in the way. If you remove it with tempo playing Nh3+ White can defend it with Kg2. So, Nh3+ does not win the piece. Black can still try to remove the knight with tempo by playing d4 and freeing the d5 square, as they did. If White takes with pawn, Black can play Nd5 and win a piece. If White takes with Queen Black has a fork and wins the queen. So, White has to reluctantly take with knight, as Kramnik did. d4 was a pretty looking move indeed.

Playing online is meaningless though. It's too easy to cheat and even when caught there's no repercussions.

@@cooloutac Hakuna your tatas, boomer.

Noway, that's insane

@detherocablest7054 thanks for confirmong online chess is only taken seriously by children. No wonder Erik allebest complained to Perpetual podcast a few weeks ago that he can't even get any sponsorships to host tournaments. He said online chess is not marketable and imo this community is an example of why.

@@cooloutacin your opinion..

Крамник гений и чувствует, кто как играет. Крамник прав на 100 % до того момента, как этот читтерёнок не покажет результат вживую.

Пускай вживую так играют, тогда и посмотрим, как их движки "научили".

No one is trained by engines, where did you get this delusional statement from? Its the same saying telescopes teach you astrophysics, and not a teacher. Total nonsense.

@@VitorSantos-dh1jrtelescopes do teach you astrophysics if you’re smart enough. Clearly you are not that good

With respect, I'd say, watching this video, it can completely be ruled out that there was any cheating.

@@ericneff9908 I absolutely agree with you. One has to be an engine to be able to do everything in no time. For example, if he chated at that move, a human should take a look at the engine at least for a second. I didn't see it at all. Actually, experts can confirm my conclusion by tracking eye movements. This guy is absolutely clean. Still, like Vlad, he is me. I am 1300 but when I lose, I always report a winner and block him:). What a pathetic loser I am!

It can be pretty easily ruled out that the guy was cheating yeah

@@ericneff9908 how?

@@BraceGD how?

Yes of course an FM defeats a super gm without even trying and doesn't even come remotely clase with otb results

1. We all want to win 2. ego On the other hand it doesn't mean that people are cheating. Kind of controversial, I guess. They're cheating, because of their ego and because they don't like to lose. It's obvious.

@@staspivovartsev5579 That’s right.

@staspivovartsev5579 it's just suspicious when a player never shows such performances OTB never shows such performances in title Tuesday but of course like everybody else show such performances against kramnik as if it's the fashionable thing to do. Does it while the whole time he looks like he's not even paying attention or taking the game seriously to his audience. Right... the website in essence gave a green light to streamers to target kramnik for content. Because have they have shown they only play favorites with certain players like msgnus and hikaru. everybody else can kick rocks and there's no fear of cheating against them. It's a shame.

​@@cooloutacI think you're being paranoid. Are you Kramnik btw?

do you really think you can choose your opponents in a tournament. I understand you are accustomed to so many ways to cheat many of which are acceptable. But its wild that you believe that...smh...

@@RichACBlues I don't understand What you said

@@user-yh2pd6dp9o I don't know how to re-word it. But the only reason you think you can block your opponents in an actual tournament, is because cheating is so acceptable in the community in so many ways. Basically it would be cheating if you could actually do that. Blockng is also a way to block challenges ands messages. Its not a way to block an opponent in an official money event lol. I'm going to assume you use multiple accounts on the website, and probably see nothing wrong with it lol.

@@RichACBlues sorry, I Can't Understand why do you think that I am cheating ? And Why do you Think that I have multiple Accounts? It's very Strange for me that you are assuming that. What Base Do you have for this assuming?

@@user-yh2pd6dp9o Because you think its possible to cheat at a tournament in such an obvious way, and you don't even think of it as cheating. Also I will double down on my claim that you use multiple accounts, because you couldn't even bring yourself to deny it.

Nd5 and white losing

He either loses Knight And Trades queen or just loses queen potentially being down a piece. Use a board editor and play it out.

Freeing up d5 allows the black knight to jump there and threaten the white queen & knight at the same time.

They're both 6ft 6 incidentally.

On his youtube channel

All links are in the description of each video. www.youtube.com/@VBKramnik

Because he didn't respond to chat? Get a life, most people have that crap turned off

Been watching casino royale have ya

he is supposed to turn his chat off or ignore it during the game as per the rules of the tournament. Kramnik doesn't even reply to his own chat when he streams here is there to play chess. Probably never even saw his message. grow up lmao.

What the f*k is this 10 year old logic

And that's the thing the website Plays favorites. They make exceptions for Daniel to cheat for entertainment. And when players like him or Hikaru or Magnus point out cheaters they take immediate action. But when someone like kramnik makes public criticisms they run a PR campaign against him and all the cheaters now know that there are no repercussions for cheating against kramnik and it's good content to earn streaming money.

Ah, now I see it. 1...d4! 2. cxd Nd5! Why is that so hard to see? Huh.

I'm assuming you mean the decline of chess as a valid career path.

So a distracted FM Beats a focused super GM. Yep, very normal

@@martinhh763 Yep. You'll have to get over it. Tykhon is coming up.

@defunctbooks he came up to 2400 fide and now is losing rating points to 2300s. The problem is many of these kids only play top level against kramnik for some reason and I blame the website. It's well known no one ever cheats against Hikaru or Magnus because the website plays favorites with them so players won't even take the chance.

Nah that's just Stockfish tho

Naroditsky is one of those online overperformers thst suck otb. Nepo definitely complains about such people though indeed.

@@cooloutac "suck otb" with 2650 rating peak lmao. I see your point comparatively speaking to his blitz abilities but still i thought that was funny.

@kiertteerf3502 ratings are easily manipulated. And it's a shame fide brought back the 400 Point rule so guys like danya and bortnyk can Farm 2200s in Charlotte while pre-arranging draws with each other. But in reality I'm not even sure danya is a top 100 Blitz player. What top finishes has he gotten any major opens and what are some notable players he has beat? He clearly is on another level online and you have to be a fool to think it's because of his mouse skills lmao. 🤣

The Gut Is streaming… not cheating… is just very good and after that move the game is not win… there are mistakes on both sides

Nd5 attacking the queen and knight two times

I see it now but it doesn't really.change the outcome he couldn't really defend the position no matter what

Are we comparing apples (classic) to oranges (blitz)? I've done a calculation about classic rating vs. blitz rating in the top 100 and there is not even the slightest hint of a correlation.

ya its ridiculous. And then you got guys like I.d.t who report people to cheat at debating online like they prolly cheat at the game. I don't think these kids realize that online chess doesn't represent the chess world. 96% of active titled players don't even play tournaments online and alot of fans don't even know who these streamers are. I never heard of this kid before this match lol. But defending this clown show in public is like labeling yourself a cheater. Its a shame that chess is turning into a kids game that will never be taken seriously. The website dropping the ball on Hans Neiman probably ruined the potential of chess for the rest of our lifetimes.

@@RichACBluesI have never, ever reported someone on youtube, try harder.

Kramnik even has the piece animations on and is so clumsy with the mouse, that those two factors alone will hinder his blitz play substantially.

@@jtekholm he rated 2900+ wtf are you talking about? you sound crazy.

Maybe someone will organize a match. Some kind of sponsor (For example, Ilya Levitov) Jose Martinez has already played, albeit online, a match with Alexei Sarana.

@@chessallstars I wonder if St Louis will invite Jose to the America Cup blitz tournament again like they did a couple years ago. But the fact they banned Hans after he soared to #3 online and won the next weeks tittled tuesday, tells me that I don't think these organizations want anything to do with online gamers right now. Erik Allebest was just crying to perpetual podcast that FIDE cut all ties with the website. And that was music to my ears. IMHO, when a players says they are a streamer and not a chess pro, the shoudln't even be allowed in chess pro events. And this is for many reasons.

More importantly to the right and down. People thinking always look up or slightly up when looking to the side.

He probably had 2 monitors, 1 for the chat, and 1 for his game. All game he speak and talk to his viewers. he explain his reasoning all game long. Kramnik cannot keep up, thats the rude truth. You guys are nostalgic from the past. You cannot accept that your hero is been outplay... but its all gone. we are in 2024 and kids are stronger than ever .

@@frankloo3794 his chat was up to the left bud. did you even watch the video? And he acted like he didn't know what he was doing with his viewers As if he was confused about the queen G4 move but deadpanned on the D4 move indicating he was trying to deceive them as well while knowing what his plan was all along. That's extremely suspicious.

He is clearly looking at something off camera around 4:31. a very quick side glance to the right and down that is too fast to be calculating and really looked like his eyes focusing in on something. Very fast. Probably his other pc screen looking at stream flashing on screen, who knows. Also weird how he emphasized such an "unsurity" about the g4 queen move. But the problem is why are people allowed in money events that havent proved themselves legit in more secure environments? It is way too easy to cheat to the point is that is the only way you can be sure someone can even achieve such a performance without cheating. I understand this is just a big open tournament for all titled accounts. But you have to assume alot of people are cheating and it can't be taken seriously. Not by fans and not by players. Thats why noone watches it and only 4% of titled players even play in it . Why have money rewards? Save the money for big tournaments and invite the kids that have proved themselves to be future pros not the ones that say "i'm just a streamer" lol. Thats Unfortunately also why the website can't get any major sponsors to host any tournaments in the first place lol.

@@cooloutacits not even the top line according to kramnik, the time you stated also does not prove anything since I can not even see when he looks off screen. Stop spreading ghosts, should we ask kramnik also to show his monitor? Because the kid was also streaming, just like kramnik. If so, how ridiculous would it be if the FM accused kramnik just because? Kramnik loses on time 50% of the games he loses, then he gets angry, naturally

@@hugopereira2883 There is only two moves not losing in that position. The kid chose the 2nd best move with the pawn that probably noone would play, and it was very strange and mysterious to kramnik. Top move I think was Nh3 check. Maybe the kid did it to play mindgames in a blitz match which is understandable. But who knows.

@@cooloutac playing mind games by choosing less human move to arise more suspicion... sure mate, whatever

@@lolivanovich4518 maybe for the streaming content. Doing it against kramnik seems to be the fashion nowadays. Just as much as it is to never do it against Magnus and Hikaru lol

I'm 800 elo and I always attack with pawns when a strong piece comes near my king, there is nothing suspicious there.

Probably lots of titled players could beat Bobby Fischer nowadays… engines have made humans stronger players

@seebasschipman293 only helps them online though for mysterious reasons. I'm starting to think this is a myth and Bobby Fischer would just be learning new lines and be smoking everybody today just like he did back then. Computers and training methods today help kids reach their potential much faster but they're still only going to reach their certain human potential my friend.

especially considering his passing in 2008

he is 14 not 54. You can't measure young players solely based on fide rating. e.g Alireza and Nodirebek were smashing big gms even when they didn't have a high rating yet. That's simply due not playing enough games

@@shahariarshahed2175 Sure. Let him play over the board and earn his stripes.

He sounds suspicious to me... Oh I missed that, okay let me deal the death blow now!

@@AnkhArcRod OTB chess is different than online chess. There is more time pressure on both players, experience is more required, you can't premove... Also, it's different when you face your opponent and when you face your screen. Moreover, many young players spend hours every day training online and they're used to 2D chess diagrams. I would suspect nothing even if Chernayev wasn't a FM, just because of his age and the fact that he makes crazy progresses (and plays a lot more online than OTB).

He is cheater

I've noticed that with Hans too. EVen the kid in this video gave the impression to his audience he had no idea what he was doing. very strange. Meanwhile kramnik is like a constant stream of thought lol.

How much is Kramnik paying you? Or are you a bot? Or just glazing Kramnik for free?

@@moelarry8088 whatever helps you sleep at night child or crazy person lol. wow at the internet...smh...

@@moelarry8088the guy has no life. Or he is hired by Kramnik. His comments are all over the place. Unhealthy obsession, no girlfriend, no life.

He also has said that online gaming has been dead for 30 years lmao@@l.d.t.6327

@@l.d.t.6327 I accept your concession. lol