23:20 You didn't have to pitch jacked rabbit because lands have a mana value of zero. I don't mean to correct you, I just figured that for the future you may want to know that March is better than it looks in scenarios like these.
in the infect match during game 2, was there a reason you needed to pitch the rabbit to the March? unless i missed something, March for x=0 should answer the second Inkmoth
It feels like the moral of the story in at least the first two matchups is that it's better to have a jacked rabbit with 1 less counter on it in play than risk having your only spell for the turn dazed.
I did not believe that Jacked Rabbit for x=1 was good enough, and accordingly I didn't take that line. Does that line have higher risk? You bet. Does it have higher reward? You bet. In this Psychic Frog world where my opponent's cards clearly will outclass mine in combat, I needed the extra oomph.
@@ThrabenUniversity I don't think I'm alone in often forgetting that Daze isn't actually free: They have to pick up a land. Not a huge cost, but it can matter.
Wait if you have 2 of the birds and you have one in exil, you attack with bird on the field and it's getting through. Exil it in response to the trigger, get the 2nd bird back, next turn do it again. Why did I not see this earlier? Edit: Imagine how much more fun the frog would be if the discard pump was sorcery speed only.
6:47 Probably to both make the legend rule hit more, to prevent squadron hawk shenanigans,and to let the opponent remove it with destructin removal easier
Senu was pretty cool, even if the full deck didn't really pan out. I wonder if it's worth revisiting the Legendary tribal deck that you tried a while back with that and some other new inclusions.
I almost think the right play for this deck would be to split it into 2 different decks. The Senu legendary package deal and the Rabbit shenanigans both sound reasonable, but spreads itself too thin when slammed together. I think the Rabbit shell could work better if you trade out the legends for interaction to make a slightly unhinged Tempo deck.
The deck also loses Jacked rabbit, it’s from a commander deck, which feels to me like the only rabbit which has potential to be really good. And without fast mana in the form of the mox the other rabbits gets a lot worse. But maybe one could try something with the legendary package in modern (Ragavan is modern legal)
I wonder if there's any merit in dropping the rabbit synergy, slotting in Ocelot Pride and Force of Virtue as a means to pitch Senu. The +1/+1 might help the deck patch its weakness to bowmasters. The lack of card advantage really hurts though. Maybe add a second color?
I feel like the deck is overindexed into exiling senu as an additional cost, leading to too many situations where you have nothing but 2 for 1s in a deck with no built in draw. Maybe a RW version that can leverage more conventional removal (bolt) and using impulse effects that just leave senu in exile? Idk if that's anything.
i think the chrome mox, senu, solitude package has potential and i would like to see it in a different shell. When this deck managed to pull off something impressive, it was a senu play. The rabbit subtheme was for sure too clunky for legacy.
thats wild i was just looking at harvestrite host this morning and said i wonder if someone is going to use this somewhere and i never thought it would be legacy 😅
Imagine playing only 1 Karakas and 0 Wastelands for opposing Karakas in your mono white bunch of Legendary creatures deck 😅 Though, I agree with your post-league comments, deck is just not on-par for the format.. I mean what are these standards powerlevel Rabbits doing here.
Well that was rough! The Senu synergy was cute yesterday but cute doesn't win in the long run. One day, the corgi is going to find a shell in which to shine--but it ain't this one.
the year is 2024, and rabbit tribal is now more viable in legacy than elf tribal. all thanks to orcish bowmasters. phil if you have a sec, do you think that the frog could be as dominant if cards like allosaurus shepherd, thalia, spirit of the lab, and faerie mastermind were still playable?
This is an aggro deck that's never going to win the late game. Hence, slow card draw doesn't fit into this deck's gameplan, even though Staff is a good card in a vacuum.
I know it’s not your fault Phil, and I wish I had a solution because I love watching your stuff, but Legacy just hasn’t felt much fun to watch recently. Blue Tempo shells are my absolute least favourite decks to play against and watching others play against them makes me annoyed by proxy :-s
Any gy hate shuts the card down pretty hard. Leyline, RIP, Hearse, any number of the gy wipe artifacts - makes it virtually uncastable or just a 2/2. Beyond that, it's just a beatstick and provides no card advantage compared to, say, Archon or Atraxa, which draw you cards. Frog is definitely the bigger problem since it can both feed the gy and also trigger an existing Regent's ability.
Murktide is very far down the list of powerful things in Legacy at this point. While there were times in the past where Murktide was VERY strong, it is so outclassed by Psychic Frog right now that it's not even funny.
I feel saltiness on the frog was a bit over the line on this one. The deck you played just isn't close to legacy power level and the poor performance had very little to do with frog. Honestly I think an off the shelf standard rdw would've done better in this league.
i feel like you should be blocking the frog more often then you want to.... always complaining about combat math but in round 1 when they started attacking with the frog in the last game they had a 1/2 frog into your 2/2 with 1 card to pitch.... sure they would have killed your 2/2 but they wouldn't have drawn a card and would have discarded the last card in their hand.... game blew wide open for them due to drawing extra cards which you could have slowed down by 1 and potentially stabilized the game.... need to remember the frogs card draw is player or planeswalker damage not creatures
I'm not going to win the game where I turn every card in my opponent's hand into Murder while their creature also grows larger and larger, making future blocking prospects worse. I win the game where they wiff on a draw or two, I get lucky and draw well, and can then leverage my board presence to win before they find another.
The way you treat psychic frog is really frustrating to me sometimes. You basically always act as though the cards in their hand have no value. Like sometimes forcing them to make the move has inherent value because they have to discard one or more cards that they would otherwise prefer to be playing. I know that you know all of this, but you like to pretend that this shouldnt be a factor in the lines you make, that Psychic frog just makes all of that irrelevant, and it really just doesnt.
When you do not have the ability to remove the Psychic Frog, there is rarely value in making your opponent do something that they would already want to do because it is a positive value play for them.
you're back to being as salty about frog as you were about expressive iteration in delver. it for me at least kills the vibes and kinda shits on the content, either stop playing D tier decks or please stop being so fucking whiny about the frog.
It's almost like both cards were two mana sources of card advantage that broke the format or something... you were sooooo close to understanding there.
@@ThrabenUniversity no I get it and I agree that it should be banned, that doesnt mean that you have to ruin your content for it by being so salty about it. You were so close to understanding there!
