Blue Belt Pisses Off Brown Belt with a Sloppy Submission 

Or escape lol, that's the point

100% this, hate when people get butthurt over something like this. I'd understand if the dude straight cranked from a bad position leading to an injury but if you ease into a crank and they still don't want to tap. its completely on them. I mean thats the whole reason were here.

100% People tap to neck cranks in competition... if it works it works.

There’s a fallacy in that logic, as in if that’s the case then the higher belt should never let the lower belt do anything but just constantly submit them and smash them. We need to be able to trust our teammates so instead of wrenching on a submission that’s not working and possibly causing injury, just move on to something else then ask how to improve.

@@TC_Personalthe key word is competition… people come from all walks of life to train, different ages, levels of fitness, injuries, etc. it’s called a class because it is the place of learning. Save the kill mentality for the competition where you have someone of same age, rank, and weight who’s trying to beat you, not your partners

Humble mindset

Nice

I was going to say the exact same thing, so thank you 😂

Most gyms, especially with blue belts, don’t roll with neck cranks as an ok submission. I think it’s unsafe and bad technique for people to be neck cranking and not realizing it.

@@zack3c he's talking about a guillotine though. Those can be tricky depending on how deep they are with the arm. It's not necessarily an intentional neck crank.

@@ScramBaLamb If your ego is too big to tap during an uncomfortable neck , might just be a you problem

@@anthonyl680 that's what I'm saying. He didn't want to tap to a lower belt.

I understand your logic but, IMO, for the long term practitioner I believe BJJ (or any legit martial art) helps people evolve. Helps build character. Helps us learn to check our ego and hopefully makes us better people at the end.

no joy anymore for you

@@poddubotsky1 :D

Congratulations

@@monkoko6441 Thank u~

@@Doceli-dg3cn how long ago did you start?

This 100%

Anything longer than that comes off as desperate tbh.

Lol I’m a brown belt and a coach. I tell my guys all the time to camp submissions. If I put someone in a darce or triangle or something and they don’t tap in 15 seconds, fine. I’ll camp the sub for 60 seconds and make them get tired by working out of it. A lot of chokes are slow burns if everything isn’t perfect. That fine. Doesn’t mean I need to let go though.

For real. This brown belt is the problem in this equation. People get so scared and egotistical about tapping.

@@tigercrush2253 yes tapping too a guillotine is total normal thing i hope. us noobs can do the fancy leglocks.

It goes both ways. 1. I'm tapping if it hurts anyway 2. If I hold on to a submission for more than 15 seconds during training I'm going to assume I'm not quite there on it and transitioning to something else

Exactly.

That’s what I was thinking! He held a guillotine for 4 MINUTES!? Let it go! I’m sure my arms would be shot after that

lol it isn’t anyone’s job unless you’re a professional & you’re making money bro … not everyone wants to fight off a crank a crappy guillotine just means it won’t tap you out super quick get a guy strong enough he can crank & hold that guillotine for the whole round now Ofcourse there’s ego both ways all he had to do was tap

@@efraindominguez1504 when you are a brown belt it kinda is your job to know basic escapes in my opinion but I get your argument. I just think that even with a size difference you should atleast know how to create a scramble in 5 minutes.

Ehhh. I don't fully agree with this. It's one thing in comp but with training partners in a non comp-prep roll you should buy be cranking on a sub for 4 minutes. Nobody is getting training value out of that.

​​@@mattyc7how are you supposed to learn the submission if you aren't in the position and trying to adjust angles and get the tap? He probably assumed the brown belt was intentionally letting him work

Probably doesn’t even do bjj.

Then tap?

And then get labeled as being "wild" or "cranking submissions" when actually the upper belt just wouldn't tap when they should.

@@tigercrush2253I do often just let things go if it’s not cleanish with all belts. But def have upper belts not tap on the regular. I’ve been training for 15 plus years , consistently for last 6 or so and notice higher belts often don’t want to tap. I have regularly been In positions where I could break a limb and the upper belts just going crazy to get out. I just let it go. Not worth it and sometimes it creates drama. I’ve had many the coaches or upper belts get pissed at me for tapping them when they thought I should let it go etc. I’ve trained at many gyms over the last several years due to moving and a number of reasons. I find upper belts just expect to be better and they get pissed. At this pint I just train and let it all go.

@@tigercrush2253I had upper belt coaches from My last gym get pissed at me for tapping them. One just thought he should be better than me for some reason and I could feel his agro energy when we were rolling so I smothered him and cooked him on bottom. I then went from threatening kimura to paper choke back and forth till I wore him out and then paper cutter choked him. He got pissed and smacked me in the head to tap. I only cooked him because he was being a dck. He apologized after wards and acknowledged he was being a dck. The other time another coach was playing leg locks w me and I guess thought because he was a higher belt he was better at playing leg locks. Well I trained leg locks since white belt and did a leg lock class once a week for 3 years consistently and many years off and on prior to that. This gym, the only one he ever trained at and the one he got his belts from, didn’t really do leg locks because it was a traditional Gracie gym. I was surprised he started playing leg locks but I figure ok, he’s playing leg locks so I’ll do leg locks and spun out of his lame toe hold and caught him in another leg lock pretty hard. I slowly applied pressure allowing him time to tap and he got up and he started yelling and talking sht after he tapped. Super lame. I had to leave that gym because of the agro bs sht like that.

@@SquidFox9 I'll give my coach props. He straight up says, if you're a brown or black belt - assuming there isn't a MASSIVE size disparity - don't ever come to him and complain about a lower belt going too hard on you. Use your Jiu Jitsu to control them and keep yourself safe.

probably ego? the brown could've just said ok stop you're not submitting me you're just hurting me - and avoid this crap...

That's a lot of red flags in one question. You might want to consider a different gym.

@@Slade3465 that's not my gym, but you don't even know the half of it. Could a flag get any more red?

@@kingcthulhu1716 Just to clarify, it's a gym owner across town that is the drunk guy trash talking about your respectable gym? I'd say take the high road and be the respectable gym compared to the trashy one across town. When questioned say something like "I don't have anything nice to say about that gym owner." and then just let it be unsaid. The other guy is a drunk idiot only making a fool out of himself so let him. He has no control and that will bite him in the long run sooner or later.

@@Slade3465 that's exactly what I have been doing, thanks for the advice and it really has worked out that way. Edit: yes you have gotten all of that correct. Without getting into detail you have all of that correct.

As an alcoholic in recovery I would suggest finding another gym if possible if your owner is a drunk. You can somewhat maintain a “normal” lifestyle as an alcoholic but it’s toxic and not sustainable. Maybe try to talk the guy into rehab?

So tap and then talk about it?

@@sigilmovement Then you're that guy that taps and explains why the tap doesn't really count.

@@BarkusMuhldid you watch the advice from the video?

@chillie000 Yes. What part in the video was this issue of post tap excuses addressed?

@@BarkusMuhl he said you tap then educate, it’s not about “rewarding”. Obviously if you have any brains, you also tap to spare your body.

He never tapped so I don’t think either one of those were the issue

@@willdallas53 That was his issue

IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT A WIN. If you have the mindset of "wanting" to tap out upper belts because you're still a noob, that's EXACTLY the kind of shit that upper belts hate about lower belts. THERE IS NO WINNING IN TRAINING. Someone with that desire will crank subs and be FAR MORE DANGEROUS. One quick trick to make upper belts hate you is muscling subs on them. If you are not tapping out a higher belt with smooth technique, who cares? Upper belts are usually older and usually full of injuries - don't be the guy that makes them miss mat time.

@@BroodYouth that is bullshit. Being able to tap higher belts or anyone IS a good and competitive mindset especially if it’s growth minded. Wtf are you learning submissions for if not to tap people out?

​@Thecelestial1 I think what Brood is referring to is the mentality. Training is training, and it should never be about "winning" in terms of tapping out upper belts. That kind of thinking can lead to injuries and cranking subs unnecessarily. I've never viewed tapping out upper belts as a "win" because it's just training. Save that kind of mindset for competitions.

@@todd2324 Yes but wanting to hunt for subs and feeling happy about finally tapping out a higher belt doesn't immediately equal a bruiser who uses no technique or skill just to get taps. His kind of training is ultimately useless, and you're subs will never get better without actually trying to get them.

@@Thecelestial1 But what I was referring to was your word choice of it being a "huge win" to tap a higher belt. It's fine to feel happy if it happens, but it's the wrong way of thinking to call it a win when it's not a competition, it's just training.

Just trying to survive and not get tapout is the way to go?

@@vein2359 For low ranks, yes. Focus on playing the game and being safe. Every time you get tapped, you learn.

Acting like trying to avoid injuring your sparring partners is "pussification" is seriously goofy. There's nothing impressive or tough about using techniques/tactics that are likely to result in long term, chronic spinal issues; it's just inconsiderate behavior and it's the reason why many people who train eventually have to quit against their own will, because their body is too damaged to continue training.