You should review all cars with this overtake a lorry time test. Loved it. Most practical. I'd like to see all cars tested just for "Overtake the Lorry"
@@MrTwinkie797 it would’ve been in 6th gear, I have a 2017 320d M-Sport with that same 8-speed automatic transmission, it can change from 8th gear to 2nd in 300 milliseconds, it’s one of the fastest shifting torque converter automatics ever made.
I had the touring version of the 320D Efficient Dynamics for 3 years and really liked it. Mpg never dropped below 48, and 57 was possible on long motorway drives. It never felt slow, and it was totally reliable. I’ve replaced it with the 335d Xdrive version, which is absolutely all the car I’ll ever need.
that 320 diesel, did you have the automatic? I had it in E90-form as Efficient Dynamics with manual, I found a bit (rather more than a bit) agricultural, but that can also have it's origin in the enormous tall gearing, and the low rpm you would be. Also driving away wasn't as fun as you would expect, the clutch judder was rather pronounced.. But: It was fast for it's eco credentials, and I averaged around 50 mpg (uk), while not even trying that hard.. But the noise and judder made me sell it after 3 years, and replaced it with a 320i B48 and enjoy every second.
I can't believe people don't like the look of it. I LOVE how this car looks, especially the Front. P.S. How do they let a man with such a beard talk about styling?
+Dino Prašo Its an Epic model, makes all before it like a dinosaur. I was totally anti-BMW before I saw this thing. So timeless, cannot believe BMW had it in them to pull this off!
So, you're telling me that you didn't think a 163hp car would overtake quickly at 30mph? Why? There isn't that much difference in 20hp, I mean come on...
Drove a 6 cylinder 320i for many years with 170bhp and I never had any problems overtaking stuff. Diesels are different granted but the extra torque from a Turbo diesel if anything would make it more capable. Case in point: Used to have a 174bhp Mr2. Lighter than the BMW but much slower in the real world. To make the Mr2 work you had to be above 5500rpm. In the BMW it would pull wherever you were. In overtaking Torque is King. Luv and Peace.
@@oof9090 ah we have somebody who does not remember the facelifted 320 e46 was a 6 making 170 bhp when they added it into the line up after the 323 became the 325 328 became 330. Oh and as other posters have stated the 320 from the boxy shape before that was a 6 cylinder too. This comment has four likes. Fml.
So many Mercedes fans saying the new C-class will be so much better looking and so. People have different tastes when it comes to looks. But fact is BMW has always handled better and been more fun to drive. Mercedes keep increasing power with ever harder shocks to be sporty and to catch up but never does. BMW is still the benchmark.
There's a Mercedes Benz in every car. The steering is more responsive the 3 series and easy to manoeuvre. Same goes for the e class and 5 series and other cars too. Mercedes gives a pliant and composed ride on high speeds like 160 km/h. Safety is the best at Mercedes benz and even the built.
tazzcaaarlovr no I mean mercedes Benz is an inventor of technologies. All the car manufacturers use their technology for example ABS, ESP, Airbags, crumple zone etc.
tazzcaaarlovr get you're facts clear learn to read and understand. The statement there's a mercedes benz in every car means all car manufacturer's mimic Mercedes Benz. And the new S Klasse kills the wraith by rolls (bmw).and the S63 and S65 AMG kill the alpina b7. Same goes with m5 competition package and m4 which seem to be dull cars compared to E 63 S AMG and c 63 AMG.
Kobe B lol, calling people kid does not make you sound more adult or wiser. Then I guess all car magazines have always been wrong. I'm sure they all are kids doing the test drives and writing all those articles. Also all YT car channels must be full of kids reviewing the cars. The world is full of kids :)
My dad has this car. Automatic. My first automatic car I've ever driven and it is most comfortable. It's like sitting in a living room using just your right foot and two fingers for the super easy steering. Doesn't get any more comfortable in this price range.
I had a 335d M-Sport X-Drive and you would be crazy to buy one. It has zero comfort. Not sure how you can say this car is comfortable. Just do not get it. BMW 3-Series is a common vehicle as well. Anyone can have one in effect.
Sando L I don't get how it's not comfortable, the 2013 320i my dad drives, is super comfortable. Maybe it's the M-Sport part that fucked you; stiffer suspension maybe? I can chuck this car around town with one finger while half asleep, seriously, it's so easy to drive.
bmw 320d.... very pleasant,,, maybe the most easy going... I just lay back and enjoy it... just love my 12 year old 200 k km aut 320d... average normal maintenance... effortless power delivery from low revs... musical... very secure car... enough acceleration to have fun... very light sensation... it flies to me... very musical,,,, don´t recommend M or race suspension... just average 19´ tires...the best for bumps and road holes... so confortable... I don´t like faster cars... make you aggressive... I could have any other "better car" but no way... will never change model... just has perfect equilibrium... less is more... minimalist... zen... and just love that power from low revs... my next baby... white color... safer than any other color... and with best sound system harman kardon... and family car... touring... what else... mozart playing inside...
Yes it has 20bhp less but none of them mentioned that it has about 30 more torques than the standard 320. Probably why it wasn't so bad overtaking the lorry.
Omg... You are complaining about if a 163bhp BMW can overtake well a lorry because they have taken 20hp out.. Me, with a 75bhp TDI can overtake a lorry perfectly -.-' wtf!
navaloncho I do apologise if I have ruffled a few feathers. I am a pro driver as it happens, no need to insult me mate. I know a thing or 2 about cars and that is why I was being picky about your output. Compared to some of the things I have driven, your 75bhp would feel like walking. But I understand you use it for a commute...and that is cool.
+navaloncho These are the Kids who love ferrari like on every day roads, the time bombs of the road... 75bhp car is ment to be to take you from A-B nothing else doing the best it can... period. Again you people try to compare stuff thats not comparable... if you want a sports car buy one dont say its uncomfortably and drive it on the race tracks... ok America i get it lots of speedy roads other places that aint the fact... so have fun driving a ferrari in the monaco strets or NY city if you are superrich...
interesting that people think a 161 hp car is slow. that is what the old 6 cylinders had in the 90s.The car does 0 to 60 7.4s. Thats quicker than 3L 6cc petrol from the 90s.
Is this the one with 163bhp and 280 ft lbs of torque ? If so this car has no issues at all. I drove one of these and it felt more faster and poweful than even the the E90 gasoline models. It's has fast, if not faster than the 320i gas.
I drove the 328d and it's the same as the gas version but the thing that worries me is that it still has auto stop/start which is probably hell on the starter motor.
When I 1st saw this car back in 2013, every single other car, let alone BMWs instantly turned into dinosaur wagons with the styling of a shopping trolley. The Flat front yet bulbous hood, simply Epic, timeless and totally unexpected by BMW, what are the team on?? =D
+netweed09 do you mean 4 series gran coupe? Looks great! What car do you own? I'm been hunting 2013 3 series Touring 20d automatic. Like the styling of the Touring more than the sedan. Can't wait anymore, been watching all videos on RU-vid.
I have the 320i Petrol and I have to say it’s quite good, plenty of power especially in fifth or sixth even, it handles ok not great but ok, the sport setting isn’t really em sporty enough, does 42-ish to the Gallon.
Despite having 20bhp less, as anyone noticed that this model is only 1.6cc and not a 2.0cc? The "standard" 320d is 2.0cc but the "efficient dynamics" version is only 1.6cc.
All F30 316d/318d/320d/325d models were 1,995cc N47/B47 4-pots. Early 316i was 1,598cc N13 4-pot (same basic engine as in the MINI and various Peugeot/Citroën models) replaced by the 318i with a 1,499cc B38 3-pot.
Which of the following three is the best for a family man? The C-class Benz, 320d Bimmer or the A4 Audi? Just the standard version of their respective combi models, need perspectives before deciding.
BMW needs to bring back LED taillights.. It's one of my pet peeves on the new F30! I've told people that my 335i is a 2013 model and they were kind of surprised. People that don't know much about cars think that the F30 is like a 2008 or 2009 model. It looks really dated but I think it'll age better than other cars because it has a simple and clean "timeless" look
Marco WY Exactly- BMW needs to step up their game. I'm tired of people mistaking my f30 for a used 2009 model or something. There's nothing wrong with used cars, but shouldn't my 2013 335i look like a new car??
Iam Sam how much money was the E46 when brand new? My mom bought the E46 325i sedan brand new way back in 2002 and I recall her saying that it was $45,000 USD or something like that. That's still similar in price to the new f30
I agree with Johnny about the looks. I'm not too keen on these "grumpy/angry" faces that almost every manufacturer is pumping out nowadays in their cars.
I've never met a Brit that doesn't have a permanent hard-on for all things BMW. They love German and hate Japanese. The same is true for Fifth Gear. If that car had a Lexus or Infiniti symbol on the front they'd all bag it for looking boring as hell. The Q50 they just reviewed is superior to this car in every way, it's in the same class and it cost less with more options standard...and they hated it. I like BMWs too, but how about some perspective. On the other hand, that new C class really is nice. #Bias #Lame
+♡ Kleinr Schmetterling ♡ (Liberty Schulz) Well, I guess it's all subjective. I think styling of this particular model is a bit boring. This diesel gets great milage but has no power...so if economy is high on one's list, then this is actually a plus (I prefer power). If subjective categories like looks/design are removed, the Infiniti offers arguably the same quality, performance, luxury for a substantially lower price. But I do give BMW the gold star for handling. I like BMWs, I'm a fan, but I think people get really caught up in what BMW means rather than what it is. Not saying this is a bad car...not at all. Just pointing out the BMW bias.
I like Japanese cars. But the Q50 is more expensive than the 3 series. The Q50 starts at over 37k€ here in Europe. The BMW starts for about 7k€ less. Of course: less options out of the box for the BMW. But if you add 7k€ to the BMW options you're about the same as the Q50. Then comes a matter of preferences: the 3 series is more about driving performance/sensation. The Infinity goes well for the US market: powerful and comfy car for wide (boring) roads. No offence meant. The Q50 would be something between the 3 series and C class. I'm not a fan of "too" comfy cars. I prefer to feel "connected" to the road than isolated from it. But if I had a choice I'd buy a GTR :)
+Oliver Toronyi Production of the e46 ended in 07 and I bought new in 2011...didn't want used. Also, wanted a hard-top convertible. I did test drive the e93 convert., but it seemed a bit feminine and for the same options as my G was more expensive (but really it just looks like a woman's car) . The M3 version was AWESOME but about 30% more expensive. That said, I'm considering the M4 for my next purchase. Like I said, fantastic cars...I just would like to see a bit less bias in the testing.
jason starek E46 ended in 2005, early 2006. After that E90 replaced the 3 series. Overall the quality went low. In interior they started to use cheap plastic, you are feeling less comfortable. Overall the style is feminine...worst series imo. From the new f30 definetely try the M4 ! Enormous power with super fuel economy ! If not try out the 435i.
+Oliver Toronyi Completely agree. The interior lost some points and the overall look was feminine. But the new M4 convert is great. Lots to choose from in the price range...also looking at the C63 AMG convert and the F-typeR
So they compliment the C class left and right and give it a low score yet there is a lot they don't like about the beemer but still give it a high score 🤔
+slanahesh It looks great, and only costs 15k extra, lol. Welcome to the option madness that is German cars... Base price $35,000...as shown, $62,000, lol
To be honest, I test drove a E90 325i straight 6 coupe the other day, the 3ltr one and it wasn't anything to get excited about. My 320D puts a smile on my face, the 325i felt like it should be my dads car.
Ok the wheels on this particular model are waaay too small vs the size of the car. When you look at it sideways the proportions are just off with these wheels.
Why have BMW made a 320d that is an "Efficient Dynamics" Model, but then fitted it with an Automatic Gearbox, does that kind of defeat the purpose?? It'd be more efficient if it had a slightly longer Manual 6spd
THESE GUYS KNOW HOW TO DRIVE FAST, YES! BUT ONLY THAT. THEY NEVER HAVE BEEN OBJECTIVES WITH THE SCORING. CHECK BY YOURSELF WITH SANITY. FOR EXAMPLE: CHECK THE SCORE OF THE VIDEO OF "NEW VAUXHALL CORSA 3 DOOR (TEAM REVIEW)" AND CHECK LATER THE SCORE OF THE VIDEO "THE LEXUS NX 300H (TEAM REVIEW)" THIS IS ONLY A LITTLE SAMPLE ABOUT THEIR "OBJETIVE" SCORING!!!
These 5th gear group tests are just stupid to me...no word about its comfort, its environmental noise level, seats...etc. things that matter when you live with a car day by day. Same as in the C Class test.
+nagashree lingesh It's crap only for the rear space. Lovely looking car but, just no; Jaguar are taking the pi55 of over 10 years wait for their compact exec family customers, forcing them to go for the XF.
As comfortable as a park bench. The steering lock is so bad it is like parking the Titanic. overpriced unfortunately and avoid M-Sport due to zero comfort levels. You are better off with an Audi, if you must buy German. Audi is a much more classier, comfortable, higher build quality and better priced for your money. If it is just looks you are after and zero else, then buy a BMW 335d M-Sport. But I guarantee you will curse it for its numerous faults. Cheers.
Ps it is a drivers car though, but not a lot else. Another thing I forgot to mention is that the rear view when reversing is bloody awful. This 3-Series is not what you think it is. Twats like Jeremy Clarkson may rate it, but he does not live with one daily.
When people talk about Audi build quality I always wonder wtf they are smoking. Audi, the company who consistently finishes near the bottom of reliability surveys. They are junk along with every other VAG car. Also, notice how not one of them mentions the reliability problems of the previous generation 320d. One of the worst engines ever made in terms of reliability problems. And it doesn't stop there as BMW will try everything they can to not repair your car under warranty. I'd love to know how much money BMW pay these media companies to spread propaganda. Its a joke.
I think the problems with the 320d is that it is not as economical as people think. I know this, as I have had a 320d and a 335d. I kid you not, the 335d is more economical by quite a margin. Reason being is the 320d you have to press hard on the pedal to get it moving. In a 335d it is quite effortless, hence the economy on the 335d is actually superior. The same applies to the noise of the engine. The straight 6 as we know is a sexy noise, even in the rather gruff 3.0 diesel engine. It still sounds sweet. But even with the classy quality engine, the 3 series to me has some major issues. Comfort is as I have said before, zero on an M-Sport and the steering lock is a complete and utter joke. Buy Audi for comfort, but even with the BMW's spine breaking comfort, it is even with my complaints, just still to sexy to despise, even with zero comfort and its overrated price. 19 inch alloys in Alpine white with extra tints. Mafio, Russian look, that just oozes class and get out of my way look about it. The round ring xenon lights are a class act. Just the comfort sucks do much. Such a shame 😔
+Warrantti its just their way of doing things for their customers who like that.. Btw bmw split 50:50 weight distribiution, they got big breaks front and rear so the cars are more stable ... normaly you get front wheel drivers with front big brakes small back .... so the cars tend to behave in other way BMW prefers its car to drive and handle sport and fun ... mercs and Audi tender more the gadget side beauty in the beast approach... bmw build it around handling if that cuts into styling so be it.. you know why you buy a bmw... if you dont know dont buy one...
Drove a F30 320i in the UAE, slow, gutless and boring. I cannot stand why most European would want a sub-200hp luxury sedan. F30 328i had adequate power, but I was overtaken by a Dodge Ram 1500 6.4L V8 in the mountain road.... 335i all the way :)
+cococly because, unlike America, most European countries and cities are not build around roads. Hell most cities are ancient. Tiny streets, no parking, speed limits and speed cameras everywhere. What Europeans call a country Americans call their driveway, if you know what I mean. Truth is, that dodge would be a complete and utter waste of money here. That power would go to waste in most places, you wouldn't be able to go anywhere with it (tiny streets), you wouldn't be able to park it (tiny parking spaces) nor would you be able to afford it on a normal paycheck (gas prices being what they are here). Not to mention the phenomenal taxes you'd pay on that thing.
You are saying as if fuel prices in the EU is very high. We, in Hong Kong are paying 2-euros per liter for regular petrol. Hong Kong also has 200% taxes on all luxury cars. A normal Mercedes S350 costs 200000 Euros. But we still have one of the highest Ferrari per Capita :D Try driving in Hong Kong and you would see how bad tiny streets + millions of residents sharing the road is.
Thing is... Europe has idiotic emissions and consumption taxes. The taxes go exponentially higher after the 2.0 liter mark. In my country if you have a 2 liter engine, you pay a tax of around 50€ a year. If you have a 2.2 liter, you pay 150. If you have a 3 liter, the tax goes to 600€ and so on. Keeping this in mind, the minimum wage here is only 300€. You can see where I'm going. BTW, this was just one tax. You have insurance that also gets exponentially higher as you jump the 2L mark and so on. This is the law. We can't do anything about it but to suck it up. Of course, if you can afford to buy a brand new 3 or 5 series, then your salary is obviously higher and you should be able to maintain it and not be worried about fuel consumption. It is ridiculous for me that people buy a new 3 series and even go for the underpowered version just so they could save a bit on fuel. That is just bullshit. And yes, it's obvious that people in the USA prefer bigger engines because they feel pore powerful (we like them too). And they buy those cars because they aren't milked by the state as we get here in the EU. They only pay for the fuel they use. I like to drive my gas guzzling 10L V8? Fucking let me pay for the fuel, don't rip me off with taxes.
What a stupid test, overtaking at 30 mph? Are you fucking kidding me? My 1.5L fiesta with 100 hp can do the same at that sort of speed. Try overtaking at 70 mph....