BMW E60 M5 V10 rod bearings replaced at 115k | How'd they look? 

I work for BMW & just to be clear it's a worldwide process to recall cars with more than 5% rate of failure I know every failure & the stats (as the n47 timing chain note puma 3 for 2006 to march 2011) For the bearings it's less than 3% but ppl are surfing on the fears and keeping this thing alive because for business reasons Many garages like Gintani (or many others forgot the name) created the hashtag # savethes85 or 65 and "fixing" from 5 to 10 cars per day .. they will keep the fear as long as possible for the business Anyway 2 key words to not be one of the 3% people : warm-up in the morning, regular oil change this engine was designed from the v10 williams of juan pablo montoya FYI they start a F1 engine with 200° warm oil so the 20 yo kid driving dad's car end reving it cold doesnt know that it's not a regular honda this car is not for noobies

Its not really hit or miss. This issue really comes down to drivers letting their oil come up to temp. I never rev past 3k until the oil is at measurable temp in my 2011 M3. Im st 100,000kms which is about 60k miles and I have no problems. I've launched, I've done track days, I've killed a couple sets of P Zeros. Not having fun in these cars is just dumb plan, rev her out go sideways! Just be smart. If you're gonna hit the kick down button from a cold start you will have this issue. Ther actual day that my extra extended warranty runs out, I will replace the rod bearings as a preventative measure. It's possible the previous owner was a douchebag that did burn outs from his driveway, you never know. It's a good idea to get this done and I feel like bmw should have corrected this before production or at least at LCI, but it really comes down to people that don't know gowe to take care of their cars. I would bet that most original bbn owners that had this issue are non enthusiasts. People that just dont know... people that buy M cars to be cool!

Thank you. So sick of hearing about how awful the bearings are. Have 125,000+ on my m5 and it runs great. Warm the car up and you are good to go.

Thanks for the video I’ve now had my 2007 M6 E64 for about 3 weeks and have been doing plenty of research on her. I always allow for full warm up before getting on it. Hopefully since I only have 55k miles I can get close to 100k before making this preventative replacement to the rods. 🤞🏻 The two owners before me treated her well too otherwise I’ll be paying early for this.

Great stuff Alex. good to see that everything worked out. I too use the 10 -60 but equally important is warm up procedure. Thanks for the vid.

Niceee! Bearing issue is too overhyped, glad to see they’re in good shape

I just bought a 2007 M5 6 speed. 112k miles, 2 owner. Just pulled the rod bearings (were original) and looked just a little less worn than yours. Thank goodness some of the owners warmed these s85s up and took good care of them!

I have a 2009 with 35,700 miles and it definitely something on my mind, but seeing this is a slight relief. Plan on doing my rods in a few months and then move on to the vanos pump after.

Informative video, and the fact is, that you treat and maintain your car as one should do, x Crowman x already expressed it beautifully

The rob bearings did change material, the original part number was changed in 2008 due to bearing failure.

I own a 335i n55, this engines do not suffer from rod bearings but, the secret is let the oil get to the normal operating temperature before putting any load to the engine. Over 126k not a single ticking noise. I do not let the oil pass the 3500 miles change intervals. It has worked for me, no vanos issues etc. Theses cars are ment to be driven , at least a Saturday or a Sunday early morning I take it to the highway to open it up, if you know what i mean. Still strong.

Awesome video, I'm at 86K with my M6. Live in London UK, I'll probably get this done in the new year for peace of mind, but so far so good! :) Keep up the great content pal 🔥

Thanks for another great vid and taking the time to post this. I’d buy ya a beer if you ever come to TX

Great editing bro. Hilarious on the bearings.

Thanks! Waiting for my oil analysis on my 2007 M6 smg with 96k mikes. Currently using liquid moly like you mentioned. Love my M6, picked up less than 2yrs ago ($17k) mint condition and runs strong!

Youre the reassurance I needed

Awesome video buddy!!!! M power!!! Solid report!!!! Most favorite car EVER.

2010 M6. Original bearings 109k miles. Will do a video next month when I get it done

10w60 saves the bearings, people driving the car on cold 10w60 is the problem lol. 10w30 is said to not coat the bearings good enough and promotes faster wear than properly prepared 10w60. ceratec is also good to use every oilchange as well. better to spend $25 every 3k miles than to not. highest ive heard from an original owner is 185k on factory bearings. - not a mechanic, i just spoke to many mechanics, and owners of s65/s85 as well as owned a supercharged e92 m3.

That no copper is showing does not mean that the bearings can not be toast. BMW changed the "base" from copper to (much harder!) tin something around 2010-ish. So depending on the age of your car your bearings might not be of the "copper type".

My 335i N54 has been verrry reliable. Zero issues in the year I’ve owned it. Sure, that’s a not a long time, but I’ve done almost 10k miles in it. When I first got the car, I was so used to shifting forward to go up a gear, that I threw it into first instead of third not once, but twice in the span of a week. Have never made the mistake since, and there are no metal pieces floating around my engine, thankfully. Yes, it was dumb. Obviously. But an honest mistake. Better my own car than someone else’s! But yes, I let it idle after starting it until the rpm has settled at 550rpm, then baby it until it’s completely warm. No exceptions. I think this has gone a long way to preserving it. I’m the 5th (or 6th) owner. Of a Florida 335i. That’s been incredibly reliable!

I was in the market for an E60 M5 and found a manual one black on black with 120k miles but overall good condition. The owner took me on a test drive and he was like I dont let strangers drive my car, I take good care of it etc. He was revving the car up to redline without warming the car up at all, I started running the opposite direction lol

I did rod bearing on my s85 and they were worn. Not super bad but worn that's at 105k. Switched to 0/40 racing oil and runs like a dream. It's a beast now I have I 130k and yes let them get warm first before you rump on it.

Like the one gent commitment.. Let the engine get warmed up, don't be revving it up till the motor is at operating temperatures. Do regular oil changes with a known quality synthetic oil. And unless your wanting to bust that yuppie in his new Mustang or Camero, just drive it with some sense. And enjoy your V10 BMW. 😊👍

That's why I would use 5W-50 oil in S85. Is just better oil. Provides much better flow in low, and mid temperature range.

Buddy, the issue is people not letting the oil circulate and let the car warm up before they drive it like they stole it. Thats it.

I still drive an E34 and will never ever think of buying a newer junky bmw

You Give Us BMW Owners Hope, Cheap Individuals Buy These Things and Treat it like Shit and expect it to make it to 600,000 Miles

Just want to point out. The M156 eninge has got the headbolt issue up to engine number 060658. Your car can still be a 2010 model (like mine 2010 C63) and not be affected, since mine has engine no 61111. Other than that, great video!

So what this show is that you know how to treat your car and warm it up before any hard driving :D The rod bearing issue is just caused by idiots, and BMW's susceptibility to them.

great video. covered lots of good points !

While I know exactly how important it is to warm up the oil before beating on the car, at this point I’d be concerned about the previous owners. I see way too many people beat on cars when the engine hasn’t warmed up yet. That’s why it’s a good idea to get these bearings replaced. If you do, at least you know you’re at a good starting point and you can warm it up properly!!

Job well done. Many thanks - 79K on originals.

I have 2007 Supercharged M6 with 63k miles. Thats definitely next thing i will do to my car.

The issue is not with the rod bearings, it’s with the people that own these cars they don’t know how to take care of it nor how to drive it I’ve rebuilt 3 s85 engines all 3 had shot rod bearings and crank due to low oil in the engine

It's really striking how thin BMW always makes their bearings , I think that is where so much of the issues stem from, there just isn't enough meat there for the oil to adhear to and absorb the punishment of a 12/1 compression 8200 rpm engine The ls7 iirc actually has a tighter bearing tolerance but has big wide bearings and non of these issues Another reason to get the stroker kits that fit wider bearings lol

3:43 Ok, I'm no expert but those bearings do not look good. Out of the 20 bearings, 10 are worn very heavily, those were probably the uppers. Maybe someone with more rebuild experience can confirm if this level of wear is acceptable. I think it was a good move to replace them, also $2500 is a good price for this job.

Great! Mine has 129k on the original bearings. Blackstone is great every oil change so far...

Hi I’ve got a quick question- when doing the rod bearings do you need to remove the spark plugs to be able to turn the engine? I’m wondering how strong the compression is in the cylinders.

Hey Alex... thanks for the video. Good info for me because I just bought a 06 M5 last week with 81k miles. Past owner was a rich guy who just took it to BMW shop for everything...past records show he only used 10w-60...I will send oil to Blackstone when I do my first change. I was pretty concerned about the rod bearings but am not so much lately.. Thanks!

I think these bearings should be treated like a timing belt job. If I were in the market for a m5 v10 I would price in a bearing replacement job, that way a potential bomb is taken care of & out of mind. I also think that a head gasket kit should be thrown in as well, after all if you're going to put in all of the work to replace the rod bearings you might as well replace the head gasket to eliminate another worry.

I've spent alot of money at ecs for my vdubs. Lol. Bigger purchase was a authentic k04-015 BW turbo. And yes I also like the 5w40 liqui moly. Buy I recently used Castrol edge 0w40 with a mann filter and that's what's in my car now. And it sounds great on cold starts.

5 k oil changes might extend life of the bearings above the 10-12 k BMW factory oil change intervals. Marketing vrs the engineering dept.

Thanks for the videos brother. I’m jealous you got this done. have 85000 on my original bearings, blackstone came back clean and no symptoms at all. I almost worry more about the vanos pumps. Have you had any issues with yours? Do you know how many miles you generally get before they need to be replaced?

thank you and have fun

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wow i feel so much better after seeing this im at 92000 miles

What about transmission???? And fuel pump?? please if you can tell us....any problem with those two part.is it aviable more reliable transmission or fuel pump.76000 ml an I changed fuel pump 2 times.and transmission now have some problems now....(((

I have personally pulled tin bearings out of factory sealed S85s just FYI. Your bearings do not show copper because there's none in them. They are definitely worn and in need of replacement. They do look better than other shells I've pulled at that milage but they are indeed open. I'm sure of it.

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I want some titanium rob bearings

Really enjoyed this video. Good job! I thought the bearing job was a crazy one, nice to hear it can be done for around 2k parts and labor. I've always wanted a v10 M6 (in in a 2006 650I now) and the pre-owned R8's are still a bit too pricey. Any other major issues? How are the oil leaks?

All it takes is 1 person with a destroyed crank and a blog to make everyone suspicious about their day of doom.

Budget 2500 for the bearings plus 25000 for a used GMC 2500 and trailer for when it breaks down.

It’s oil dilution that cause the bearings and pump to go bad, open your oil cap after 3k miles and it smells like straight fuel.

Honestly I just picked up a bmw m6 which has 72,000km not miles, my beamer guy told me to do oil changes at 3500-4k km not miles andi should be fine as long as she's getting fresh oil all the time she should be good

I own 2006 BMW M5 . Been getting a code P1209 - Injector Control Pressure System Fault . I replaced my two Throttle Body Actuator, Fuel Pressure Sensor, Spark Plugs, New oil engine / filter, but still not able to fix it. Any ideas on what could be the problem? Appreciate any Help!!

Better safe than sorry!

So many dumb asses think you can avoid the bearing issue by just changing oil and warming up, I was one of them. Just pulled my bearings at 50k miles and they look awful, scorched through the babbit. This problem happens because the bearings are too close to the rod journal, they were specced too thick which makes it impossible for an oil film to form between the crank journal and the rod bearing. No matter how warm it is, no matter what oil you use, you are not going to get a proper oil film to protect the bearing if you are running stock clearance. Some motors are looser than others and will live longer, but all of them will kill their bearings eventually.

I got a M6 e63 2005 with 69000 miles on it, oil changes every 3000 miles, should I do the rod bearings? I mean after seeing deMuros review I feel like my car will blow up any day now 😖

It's all about who drives them.

Bro what are the sysmptoms of rod bearings need to be replaced , I have 50000 miles on my M5

Soooo, I spun a bearing in my e46 m3 (2004 model year) and it had unknown mileage on the bearings. ALWAYS CHANGE YOUR BEARINGS, AND BE SAFE RATHER THAN SORRY.

Hey Alex and great video! My M5 V10 is at 12600km right now. Should i be worried about changing the rod bearings anytime soon?

Yeah no shit. The rod bearing rumors are about as false and the Corona virus models. Maintain your car's good health, just like your own body. Live healthy long life.

Wow! I want this car so bad but been afraid. So what about the vanos pump? Is that failure just a result of the bad rod bearings?

Same concept applies to the N54 335i. Yes there's other surrounding problems but most are concerned with the wastegate rattle from the twin turbos. I've personally done the washer spacer method around the wastegates at 131k kms and there is absolutely no rattle and the turbos run strong at Stage 2+ full bolt on. Do I know how long they will last? no. If they leak, they leak and I replace them. I bought the car dirt cheap at the highest spec and can justify changing them. Now I don't rip on the car unless the oil is up to full operating temps so maybe that's why, but that's what everyone should be doing to prolong the life of their baby. Cheers.

ESC should give you a rob bearing change sticker :)

Main problem is that this engine need to warm 5-10min before driwing and even after that no rews before engine has reach normal temperature.

After how many Miles is it recommended to change the SMG transmission oil?

How often after replacing them will they last ? Is this something u have to do every 80k 100k miles if u plan to keep car for long long time ?

So $1400 just for labour? If the job takes 5-6 hrs, that’s $$209ish per hr. shit prices in the usa are high

Soo...no video of rod bearing replacement.

Bro I always give good warm up, till 90c oil temp, and then move , but pls tell the symptoms of rod bearing , I feel slight vibration on steering when I keep throttle at 1500rpm, but I never rev or drive on cold

bro... for me its not a surprise... really... if you check online you wont see more than 100 people with rob bearing issues... i suspect that most the rod bearings failures were due to revving the engine cold... people that talk rubbish about e60 m5 are those who own a garage or never had one and judge it by what they can find on forums...i love my M5...check my vanos pressure every 6 months and do oil analysis one a year... i am asking you guys... name one car with s85's performance that lasts for 20.000 miles punished the way M5 is punished(5000-8250 rpm)...i've seen M5's with 200k miles...its amazing...

shipping for ECS Tuning for Canada is outrageous

Nice video! Where did you get your bearings done? I'm in VA and all the quotes have been in the 4.5k range.

So who measured the crank and rods before supplying the bearings? Because the bearings have to fit the exact measurement, not factory

well noted bro thank you , but can you tell me the symptoms of rod bearing issue

Those bearing are beautiful for that hi of mileage. How long is your warmup time before driving? I do 10 min and did you go with OEM bearings?

Hey Alex, can you leave contacts of the mechanic who replaced the bearings? I need to do it ASAP

Castrol edge - real PAO synthetic and liqui moly = grp 3 with some PAO & GTL

Hey Alex Good video! Can you share the shop address or tel number where you had your bearings done? I’m thinking to do my as precaution Thanks

Yup..liqui moly all da way. But ay yo..looks like ur were about to loose ur mind when u say da transmission oil pump gasket was $15..🤣🤣 I had to laugh..looks like that was da last breath "this is worth fffff (this worth) "sigh" fifteen dollars🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

So what's the trick to keeping the bearings in such good condition for so many miles?

Coated bearings? In 2018 ?

Folks that claim the bearing issue is overhyped live in the land of fantasyland. Warm it up> Every-time? Get as life!. It takes over 15 minutes to get this engine even slightly warmed up, and to expect this every single time is ridiculous. . It is an easy job, just stop complaining and change out the bearings. And the bearings in this video ARE NOT GOOD! Look at the wear heals. I have pulled bearings out of multiple cars with more mile with no sign of wear.

Do you think it's still worth it to purchase one with over a hundred thousand miles? I know cars go beyond hundred thousand miles let's just start there. I'm driving to Pathfinder right now with almost 200,000 miles and yes I have oil leaks and stuff but the car never breaks down on me how do you think these calls are in that category minus the bearing problem and it being a manual transmission?

What about the clutch? Don’t they wear out around the same time as the bearings?

spending $2600 on these, i would want to make sure if i need to change them or not. so if Blackstone analysis is not always guaranteed, what are some visual diagnosis i can do on this? and like always please keep these videos coming, appreciated man.

Dude what ever camera your using is awesome

How many cents did you save using a Mann oil filter instead of an oem BMW filter ? I always spend the extra few bucks on oem filters, makes me sleep happier and rev happier.

I’m curious. What place did you take it to to get the job done? And I’m from S.C. Would you or anyone know of shop that can do the job for that price

Can you share where you took your car? No one in my area I called around no luck.

Hi there which is the best brand bearing to go for...I live in South Africa , can you refer me to good export supplier

Those bearings are fucked. And would have failed. Wear like that shows there are clearance issues, and or design issues.

Not sure where you are, but $17K for a nice E60 M5...not where I live. But anyway, get a good magnetic drain plug. Also, Castrol Edge? No, should have been Castrol TWS I think it was, but either way, BMW for the last couple years is having Shell make the 10w60, Castrol left sludge etc...As for me, I use Red Line 10w60, Red Line in the diff and the SMG...just sayin'

3:16 OMG 😯

Hi how are you? Could you please send me the information to the shop that did the work for you. Thank you

Buy a V10 BMW it's fun they said... This guy's face on reading the total speaks volumes