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BMW G82 M4 *Manual* First Drive on the Nürburgring! 

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@luisbalderrama8145
@luisbalderrama8145 3 года назад
I can't believe you passed a PT Cruiser of all things on the Ring. Those are getting rarer to see stateside, let alone on a race track in Germany. That made my day.
@hondaforever338
@hondaforever338 3 года назад
They aren't rare stateside, they're literally everywhere and the junkyards are FULL of them if they haven't been stripped for parts and crushed already.
@erictko85
@erictko85 3 года назад
What a legend
@Drive-n-Vibe
@Drive-n-Vibe 3 года назад
you still see them occasionally in the UK (along with the 300c and crossfire). I assume Germany is the same.
@CW-yp9jo
@CW-yp9jo 3 года назад
@J B it really isnt.
@genericallyaccepted
@genericallyaccepted 3 года назад
@@CW-yp9jo it actually is, though.
@xXxH8TERxXx
@xXxH8TERxXx 3 года назад
enjoying a "review" like this, better then most paid youtube testers 😉👍🏻
@Efreet17
@Efreet17 3 года назад
Most utube testers talk so much good about kia and hyndai lol 😂🤣🤣 idk
@navneet4938
@navneet4938 3 года назад
@@Efreet17 kia adn hyundai are trash
@TEFLONDONTRUMP2024
@TEFLONDONTRUMP2024 3 года назад
You mean those runway drag races suck and aren't the best way to review bmw
@tutelarius
@tutelarius 3 года назад
Underneath is its best angle! Props to the engineers.
@airwaves8191
@airwaves8191 3 года назад
how did i made that m badge
@Ssh52
@Ssh52 3 года назад
@@airwaves8191 he's a channel member
@breakingcycles741
@breakingcycles741 3 года назад
@@Ssh52 Lmao I was about to say. You can put a dumpster on top of a great suspension, it's still a dumpster.
@saketnaik1
@saketnaik1 3 года назад
@@breakingcycles741 I'm sure the BMW engineers have made a better setup than you could pull off ...
@biking261
@biking261 3 года назад
Watching the range to empty go down like seconds rather then kms was funny
@JoeAchilles1
@JoeAchilles1 3 года назад
Haha awesome mate, been waiting for this one 🏁🎬🙌
@ruthun
@ruthun 3 года назад
Manual is officially dead in my country. :-( How many miles on your's, Joe? I just hit 5000km in my Sao Paulo G82
@mocabrera
@mocabrera 3 года назад
Someone with an M3 to put on the Dyno and check the alignment? 🤪🤪
@JoeAchilles1
@JoeAchilles1 3 года назад
@@ruthun nice! I've not driven mine at all yet unfortunately, I'm planning to do around 3000 miles in June though 👌
@ruthun
@ruthun 3 года назад
@@JoeAchilles1 Looking forward to your insights. I hate the bucket seats in mine. It's too firm on long journeys. Should have went standard seats. And they're already getting dirty...eeeew
@malteserwfj
@malteserwfj 3 года назад
@@mocabrera AutoTopNL have already put an M3 on a dyno
@SjonnieSjampoo
@SjonnieSjampoo 3 года назад
I do like this Manuel m4, didn’t expect that💪🏼
@mountjoy23
@mountjoy23 3 года назад
Si senor
@Tristan.R.J.M
@Tristan.R.J.M 3 года назад
Didn’t expect a manual! Interesting
@ndj4267
@ndj4267 3 года назад
No one would get a torque converter for track days now DCT is gone.
@Pik4chu985
@Pik4chu985 3 года назад
@@ndj4267 The M235i racing uses the the zf 8-speed so it can't be that bad
@Aapee1
@Aapee1 3 года назад
@@ndj4267 No one? Even Misha said he would not get a manual for track in the video.
@Alex-lh8pm
@Alex-lh8pm 3 года назад
@@ndj4267 Torque converters are fine and have worked well at the track. They perform well in day to day driving and you dont have to worry about the bucking the dct gives at traffic speeds
@ndj4267
@ndj4267 3 года назад
@@Pik4chu985 That's a modified unit with torque converter removed, still slower than DCT. They have all been replaced by M2CSR.
@clarkyclarke9817
@clarkyclarke9817 3 года назад
I bloody love the new 3/4 don’t mind the looks but everything else seems better
@E39V8BMWM5
@E39V8BMWM5 3 года назад
The m3/m4 ook better in person that on pics ! Seen one white M4 with black grills and its stunning 😍
@clarkyclarke9817
@clarkyclarke9817 3 года назад
@@E39V8BMWM5 I’ve seen a few on the roads now definitely look better in the flesh!👌🏻
@bobalto
@bobalto 3 года назад
How did you get this ///M logo? Bro?
@goodtimesandalpines5442
@goodtimesandalpines5442 3 года назад
How did you get that ///M emoji and Nurburgring emoji???
@clarkyclarke9817
@clarkyclarke9817 3 года назад
@@goodtimesandalpines5442 read my reply to Bob. 👍🏻
@Max-Emig
@Max-Emig 3 года назад
Just one minute in the lap and it’s impressive 🙌 Talking and driving like that 👌
@davidsmall7676
@davidsmall7676 3 года назад
Great insights. Hopefully you can get some Team Schirmer feedback on the under steer issue. It is an impressive car and difficult to ignore! Thanks for taking us for a lap!
@brendanfleming6584
@brendanfleming6584 3 года назад
Nice lap / review Misha. Unfortunately UK & Ireland don't get the manual car - but that's only because almost no-one bought the F80/F82 with a manual box.
@iunnox666
@iunnox666 3 года назад
A sports car with an automatic is just ridiculous. Drive a Corolla or Camry if thats the driving experience you want.
@girishv10
@girishv10 2 года назад
Manual was sold it was the uk office that discourage the buyers, as the autobox wears more quickly and ask stupid amount of money to fix, there's a company called "everything m3" that does manual box conversion.
@Fastmetro
@Fastmetro 2 года назад
The manual M3 / M4 comp pack cars are rare and special. Pre 2018 cars are very light having the carbon fiber propshaft and no exhaust filters weighing in at 1560Kg The gearbox is fitted to all the manual cars - M2 Comp and M2CS and is really sweet, smooth shifting and the rev matching feature is nice to use.
@moeez1211
@moeez1211 Год назад
@@iunnox666automatics are quicker, it’s as simple as that. Like Misha said if he would buy one it’d be automatic.
@vbimmerr
@vbimmerr 3 года назад
This is my favourite review that I’ve seen of the new M4!! Amazing job Misha! Every other review seemed to talk about the front grilles for 80% of the video... you very were objective and provided great info, thanks
@jassi_ahluwalia
@jassi_ahluwalia 3 года назад
I am very thankful Misha for being honest about the opinion on any car. Very honest, very nice & know about the car much better after doing laps after laps!
@basithph8958
@basithph8958 3 года назад
While I'm not too fond of the looks on the new M3 and M4, it doesn't look too bad and honestly it's hard to beat something that has a straight six engine, RWD, and a 6-speed manual would love to drive one!
@FurryWrecker911
@FurryWrecker911 3 года назад
It's blowing my mind that the transition from on-the-road to on-the-track right at the start is so quick and smooth. It's as smooth as going from a surface street to a highway.
@nvl2691
@nvl2691 3 года назад
14:50 I believe the reason would be that the old F8X had unequal length downpipes which caused it to have this very raspy exhaust note which many people disliked. This new setup looks a lot more like an equal length setup than the old F8X!
@Pedro5antos_
@Pedro5antos_ 3 года назад
A Manual M4 is always a great thing! Dream car right here
@FreshlySnipes
@FreshlySnipes 2 года назад
I just got a 22’ M3 manual last month. It’s fantastic. I love it. Perfect daily.
@Bogdyindahous
@Bogdyindahous 3 года назад
Incredible, Mischa! Bmw now keeping eyes on Porsche and satisfying car lovers with manual versions of fast cars! Nice!
@aj3k840
@aj3k840 3 года назад
0:34 the sky is so beautiful 😍
@BrendanEvan
@BrendanEvan 3 года назад
First I’ve seen of the new manual M4! Thanks Misha!
@slavik2121
@slavik2121 3 года назад
That's how a proper review of an M4 should look like - on the Ring. Thanks Misha!
@bura280
@bura280 3 года назад
Respect for the in-depth review after the lap, especially the part where it's on weight scales.
@paullockwood7219
@paullockwood7219 3 года назад
Oh Misha. How I've missed these videos. 💙
@jassi_ahluwalia
@jassi_ahluwalia 3 года назад
At 4:05, it was great to see the “retro design” car! I think a very confident grandma was driving it! 😂😂
@luisbalderrama8145
@luisbalderrama8145 3 года назад
This.
@bkey_media5650
@bkey_media5650 3 года назад
Finally! I was waiting for this video!
@motojojo_
@motojojo_ 3 года назад
Great video! Thanks for the detailed look, my geeky side really liked all the aero details on the M4, even just how they're directing air out of the radiators. Also appreciate the bet stakes. Pancakes FTW!
@focusgreg4136
@focusgreg4136 3 года назад
Excellent all round test and great content as always 😎🙏🏾
@NurBurG_N3RD
@NurBurG_N3RD 3 года назад
That fuel gauge is streesing me out man!
@asvathg358
@asvathg358 3 года назад
Great video Sir 🔥🔥🔥
@christophermay1229
@christophermay1229 3 года назад
That chap in the garage is very impressive, really knew his stuff..
@TheShaked98
@TheShaked98 3 года назад
love the fact, that this is a manual :)
@benchaggaresmusic
@benchaggaresmusic 3 года назад
Honestly, as much as I don't like the front end of the new M3/M4 the fact that you can still get one with a manual, I'd have one in a second
@CH-pv2rz
@CH-pv2rz 3 года назад
Iys as pretty as 🐕 💩
@omega13.
@omega13. 3 года назад
I think the understeer is caused by the front grilles that were taken from a truck 🤪
@danielciuro447
@danielciuro447 Год назад
Thanks as always, this is my go to video as a G80 Xdrive Comp owner. I look forward to a 100% stock G80 Xdrive vid with your telemetry camera and your end of lap comments. Keep up the great work!
@iPod2024
@iPod2024 3 года назад
Great video, definitely on the heavy side though at 1679kg for a manual/ceramic/carbon buckets car. So capable though. Hopefully we will see more G80 content soon
@Booka3141
@Booka3141 3 года назад
I'm not overweight doc, i just have good traction!
@Eric_Gilbert
@Eric_Gilbert 3 года назад
This is one of the best M4 videos on RU-vid buying one
@christophobermeyer2701
@christophobermeyer2701 3 года назад
Great drriving looks so easy to do a nice lap with the new 😍
@Mustardmartin
@Mustardmartin 3 года назад
@MishaCharoudin I saw the PT Cruiser and instantaneously remembered why I love watching your videos again nothing to do with the BMW haha jk kinda no just great though love these and I forgot how much I like them. What a life good for you and how hard you have worked to achieve these goals great job!
@rockhop8595
@rockhop8595 3 года назад
Am I the only one who finds this car absolutely beautiful? The grill is not bad at all, in person it looks much better than on photos.
@barangoran4179
@barangoran4179 3 года назад
Nope, you're not the only one.
@liamcollister
@liamcollister 3 года назад
I can explain the strange exhaust path. It's to equalise the downpipe lengths before the exhausts merge. This is why the G80 sounds better than the F80, and why you can now buy "equal length midpipes" to make the F80 sing like it should.
@salovila5328
@salovila5328 3 года назад
5th to 3rd gotta love that shift... Automatic: faster, better mpg, safer, but not as fun. Since I don´t drive with a stop watch I rather drive a manual. Plus the utter joy of doing a good launch with a rwd manual is awesome.
@Anonimbus
@Anonimbus Год назад
Really enjoyed the video! Revisiting the og vlog style after onboard is always fun. Congrats on the 500k!!
@m1ch43ll5
@m1ch43ll5 3 года назад
The question is, can Kubica melt also this diffuser?
@sergioguerra1246
@sergioguerra1246 3 года назад
Love manual. Missing analog tachometer and speedometer. Very good video.
@johntasker1722
@johntasker1722 3 года назад
Another great video Misha, love what you do and I’m probably not the only person who feels like you have helped them stay sane this last year! Haven’t been to the ring for 10 years but you have rekindled my urge and hopefully I will be driving from the U.K. in our Peugeot 107 shit box to do some laps 🤣
@mgcharoudin
@mgcharoudin 3 года назад
Looking forward to seeing you here!
@rebelranter
@rebelranter 3 года назад
Good review Misha!
@scenicswissdrives1264
@scenicswissdrives1264 3 года назад
great video, understeer attribute can be also due to the design of the tires as OEMs mostly develop their tires with suppliers.
@derekho9800
@derekho9800 3 года назад
nice review! driving and talking so much is super impressive!!
@Sean_Farmer
@Sean_Farmer 3 года назад
Great video Misha! When George put it on the lift and commented how much it looks like the F80 it's because it's basically just an evolution of that chassis (hence the change from F to G). With a good alignment and a better flowing/lighter exhaust (hello Milltek) it will be much better. The grill is still butt ugly but, like you guys said, at least it's functional. Overall, it seems way better than I was expecting. However, that's the rear drive manual. The portly AWD version is the car most will buy so I look forward to seeing a comparison once Tim or someone else lets you try it.
@clarkyclarke9817
@clarkyclarke9817 3 года назад
Really great vid Misha as always!
@tedium37
@tedium37 3 года назад
The PT Cruiser is unpopular for good reason. Probably on the ring just for a laugh.
@blablablubblub2862
@blablablubblub2862 3 года назад
I love that car!
@mynameisnotcory
@mynameisnotcory 3 года назад
Im hoping the prices on these 2021 bmws in a few years will be way cheap because people didnt like the body style...fingers crossed i can get one for 25k by 2027
@iunnox666
@iunnox666 3 года назад
You can probably get one for that price in a year. BMWs hold no value, and don't last longer than the lease period. They're designed to be disposable.
@MJT-DA
@MJT-DA 2 года назад
@@iunnox666 laughs in n54
@YourAssAintSafe
@YourAssAintSafe 2 года назад
I bought a f82 competition and it depreciated almost 25k in 2 years Thank God for depreciation. Despite looks people love these cars and their selling hoping you find one.
@scott1brayden2
@scott1brayden2 3 года назад
Yes been waiting b for this 👍
@BMWQC
@BMWQC Год назад
That was a really great review! I have worked with BMW for over thirty five years, I have noticed that ever since the E-90 days or thereabouts BMW has been dialing in more understeer into the vehicles. Just look at the sway bar setup in most models, they have a large bar up front and practically a wire coat hanger in the back ha ha. They claim it’s for safety. The newer active sway bars are becoming more popular so they should be able to control the vehicle dynamics a bit better being able to control the sway bars.Hopefully they will have a mode or an adjustment so the driver could adjust the front and rear rates. But that would open up liability I suppose. Thank you for such a great review!
@joshuarosen6242
@joshuarosen6242 3 года назад
I'd always thought that the reason BMW tends to be modest about the power of M cars is more to do with the temperature than fuel quality. I live in Yorkshire in the UK and it's not very warm most of the time so the air is a lot more dense here than it would be say in UAE or Florida. All cars love cold air but turbocharged cars particularly appreciate it. Thanks for taking us along on the lap, Misha.
@jeg812ify
@jeg812ify Год назад
I actually really like the front end/ look of the new M3/M4s, idk maybe I'm just weird or something. I will say though, the aftermarket bumper which lowers the top of the grill slightly does make it look even better in my opinion.
@arneamdahlbakkevig5888
@arneamdahlbakkevig5888 3 года назад
The idea behind the different exhaust layout just after the downpipes is to get equal length exhaust for both banks (after each turbo). The reason the S55 has the distinctive sound is the unequal length exhaust tubing after each turbo. On the S58 they did the routing such that both sides get the same length. There is also aftermarket equal length exhaust for the F8x which changes the sound to a more «normal» straight six: store.activeautowerke.com/products/f8x-bmw-m3-m4-equal-length-mid-pipe
@philippebeinaerts
@philippebeinaerts 3 года назад
I will own one of these in the next few years. I just will. With a manual. And, to be honest, being a regular driver, I hope it’s a bit understeery the first times I go for a quick drive, and certainly when I take on the track for the first time(s)...
@wes.9353
@wes.9353 3 года назад
Mans was on the racing line in that PT. Good on him.
@plife911
@plife911 3 года назад
Extremely informative. U guys are amazing. Also the crossover in the downpipes could be for cylinder bank exhaust gas mixing, for tone or drone cancellation🤷🏻‍♂️
@smb.4900
@smb.4900 3 года назад
3 pedals ! Clutch kick FTW 🙏🏽
@no-damn-alias
@no-damn-alias 2 года назад
German norm says that the weight of the car has to be measured with 90% fuel in the tank, 68kg driver with 7kg luggage and all other fluids in the car to be filled to the highest allowed amount. That is the mass of the vehicle you'll find in the documents
@nswgb69
@nswgb69 3 года назад
A traffic light type system needs to be added before that exit , on track entrance so you no if you have to slow down or not. Just a red or green would do.
@SteveWeltman
@SteveWeltman 3 года назад
Loved the video. Misha, thank you for showing how the new M4 6MT drives on the Nürburgring at speed instead of a street drive and review (your feature review was good too). Very insightful and a great review of a car that still hasn't won me over with its new looks, but the driving experience seems to eclipse the gawdy truck kidney grill. I still can't part with $90K+ for a car that I wouldn't like to look back at every time I park it.
@tomb.4171
@tomb.4171 3 года назад
It sounds so damm good!
@str8cash113
@str8cash113 3 года назад
Seeing a PT cruiser at the ring.. lifes complete
@rjnation5042
@rjnation5042 3 года назад
Yeah the distance to empty was interesting, she's a thirsty girl on track, also nice to see a proper manual in a sports car, looking good Misha you've lost the winter weight gain, just at the end is that the ring tractor in front of you? Rj in Oz
@miguelcollado5438
@miguelcollado5438 3 года назад
i believe the reason for the unusual exhaust setup in the middle is possibly due to the packaging prep for the upcoming AWD Gearbox/Transfer-case system, it will need the room for it
@mbrunocondello
@mbrunocondello 3 года назад
Actually the best video !
@jaxz4gto
@jaxz4gto 2 года назад
Awesome review !!
@iohanncenturion9343
@iohanncenturion9343 3 года назад
Valvetronic midpipe and is almost perfect
@tomaszpaluch9688
@tomaszpaluch9688 3 года назад
Like so much this video. Looking forward to see same style reviews with different cars. Like to hear your opinion on the chassis of the car, suspension, brakes and of course driving experience. You may start with m2 and cayman. Twice a month would be nice 😉
@friguy4444
@friguy4444 3 года назад
12:05 Yea those Pesky Unicorns really are bothersome and imaginative! I tell you "Somethings got to be done about it!". LOL. Great one gentlemen. Thank you for this quality video.
@pilotboatk8187
@pilotboatk8187 3 года назад
Very good review, give us more!!
@Alpinwolf5
@Alpinwolf5 2 года назад
Went to a lot of trouble leveling those weighing stands! If you've gone that far, should have two flat metal plates between the tires and the load cells, tare'd out, with heavy oil or light grease between the plates. This nullifies side loads and binding. It's the method used when weighing light aircraft, too.
@testacorsa150
@testacorsa150 3 года назад
That must be the tamest instrument layout I have ever seen. The rev. counter takes the cake, as you really have to focus to see the revs, especially at the top end. And the biggest number in the layout is the gear indicator?!? Is BMW afraid that we forgot to change gear, or wtf is that about? Rant over, and thumbs up to Misha for another good video, and BMW for actually putting a manual in an M car once more :)
@maxzoRHD
@maxzoRHD 3 года назад
Its kinda weird to see a modern Bmw with a manual on a track haha,but i love it gearing seems great ! And who would've thought you'd hear so much about understeer when it comes to a RWD sports car..
@zoransudar2821
@zoransudar2821 3 года назад
That was proper review😎❤
@Fastmetro
@Fastmetro 2 года назад
The manual M3 / M4 comp pack cars are rare and special. Pre 2018 cars are very light having the carbon fiber propshaft and no exhaust filters weighing in at 1560Kg The gearbox is fitted to all the manual cars - M2 Comp and M2CS and is really sweet, smooth shifting and the rev matching feature is nice to use. In the UK less than 1% of F80 / F82 Competition cars are manual - What a shame! If you can find a low milage example buy it, a future modern classic gauranteed.
@mab939
@mab939 3 года назад
What a great video. Btw we like to have a map of the nurburgring track when you’re driving.
@owensparks5013
@owensparks5013 3 года назад
It'd be interesting to know where all that weight is. Chassis, suspension, engine, everything? Sounds like you'd get the same performance as a 1200kg car with 300bhp, but now with more expensive tyres, more brake wear, higher fuel consumption, but maybe better crash survivability? That thing's heavier than a 4wd Subaru! Maybe I'm wrong but where's the upside?
@colbysciarrilla4325
@colbysciarrilla4325 3 года назад
If it was understeering, it was likely because you put a more aggressive tire on the car than stock without changing the alignment. So the issue isn’t that the stock alignment is understeer-y, it’s that you didn’t change the alignment to match a new tire.
@kingbowser669
@kingbowser669 3 года назад
I really like the design! Yes its a new style of bmw, but it looks still awesome! And it works quite well i see :) Have a nice day everyone :)
@tomashronsky6677
@tomashronsky6677 3 года назад
1:45 I am afraid that is not how physics work :D yes, you have more "tire friction" in heavier car with the same tires because friction force = μ*N where normal force N is direct proportional to car's weight BUT you need that grip to handle centrifugal force in turns and that force (F = m v² / r) is also directly proportional to cars weight so in reality heavier car is only going to make tires wear faster because greater force is being exerted on ground but grip stays the same (doesn't really because as the tire tread wears faster, the grip is also decreasing faster than on lighter car with the same tires)...Anyhow, I like that they still make manual option, thx for the review :)
@tomashronsky6677
@tomashronsky6677 3 года назад
also this is only my view on it based on my current high school physics knowledge, It might be more complex problem than the simple equation that I've described so feel free to argue :D
@bigcus8176
@bigcus8176 3 года назад
I 100% agree with you Misha, as good as it is, the looks would definitely stop me from buying one.
@grizzle273463
@grizzle273463 2 года назад
I thoroughly enjoyed your drive on the ring. May I make a suggestion: If you are going to narrate during your drive, which I highly encourage as you are very knowledgable, please, during the editing phase of your video, lower the engine sounds. It was a bit of a challenge to understand you which I wanted to hear more than the engine. Just soften the engine/background a bit as you are the star of the show detailing the car and drive. Thumbs up
@heelandtoe_
@heelandtoe_ 3 года назад
I see you didn't have a choice but to wear this shirt in what is a rare, brand new, manual car. Haha jokes aside, thanks for reppin' the Shirt! I honestly didn't expect any less in terms of handling from the BMW. Say what you want about the looks, you have to praise BMW for releasing a Manual sports car in 2021.
@mgcharoudin
@mgcharoudin 3 года назад
Thank you for the shirt!
@jamesfields3739
@jamesfields3739 3 года назад
Awesome video! Will be interesting to see if the understeer issue you mentioned is still apparent in the Competition model as that has slightly more aggressive alignment settings 🤔😋
@westsidecamper
@westsidecamper 3 года назад
Lake of brake cooling ducts was a common complaint on Bimmerpost from people that tracked their F8xs a lot, so it's nice that they added that. I don't really see enough to rush to get one if you have an F8x, though. I'm gonna wait for the LCI haha.
@MattsPaddock
@MattsPaddock 3 года назад
POWAAAAAAAA
@p2p104
@p2p104 3 года назад
Instant future classics car
@Oceanbreeze16
@Oceanbreeze16 3 года назад
❤️❤️❤️ Manual transmission ❤️❤️❤️
@mitchellblu3
@mitchellblu3 3 года назад
I'm just amazed that a PT cruiser is running let alone on the ring. Those things are absolute turds new yet there's still a dedicated community that revolves around them. More power to them haha
@trevorbailey1448
@trevorbailey1448 3 года назад
From what i gather from bmw technical explanations of the past cars understeer is set up for the safety of street applications and use of the vehicle , for track you need to correct that at time along with tire choose , however on this car the tires are top grade.🤔
@martinchapman2168
@martinchapman2168 3 года назад
Good video
@MacheteK
@MacheteK 3 года назад
Good comment
@roels.6554
@roels.6554 3 года назад
Nice car and nice HeelandToe shirt!
@Emil_Bucholc
@Emil_Bucholc 3 года назад
Cool video 👍🏻
@faisalleeds
@faisalleeds 3 года назад
Can we finally stop talking about the grille now?! Looking forward to this one Misha 👍
@MrTchou
@MrTchou 3 года назад
We’ll stop about the grille once they correct it I guess.
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