BMW Tuned 430d vs BMW M4: DRAG RACE 

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430 in dry conditions even can match against Murcielago LP640.

An xdrive version with same tune. Would be an absolute weapon

​@@purwantiallan5089 in your dreams. The lambo would humiliate it.

@@bigduphusaj162 not humiliating in the 1/4 mile. but surely on the long road

Not good, watch officially gassed video on the diesel vs m4. In a diesel the actual power out down is a lot less due to the gearing. It’s better compared to the f82 m4 at 430-450 bhp.

Well with over 1000 Nm of torque, it would get of the line quick, however I am too impressed by the fact that it didn't have much wheelspin.

It's got me wondering about how well a European retuned SAAB 9-3 Twin turbo diesel would do against an American SAAB 9-3

@@Presto_001 the TDI engine of M4 gonna boost it by 58bhp.

@@toku30 SAAB 9-3 not gonna match Ford Mustang.

more torque

No smoke? We must have been watching different videos

@@beastofackworth excess fuel has to be added to get pops and bangs when revving at stationary. When it's moving it hardly smokes for a highly modified diesel. Darkside Developments can tune it with almost no smoke but you loss a little bit of down low torque as spool time is increased.

The soot on the back of the car says a different story

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@@ricric3025 1000 upvotes from me.

Yes, 1/4 times always include speed, it gives a sense on how fast it really is

100-200kmh would be nice to see too.

I think the difficulty here is that during the drag race they use multiple angles and sometimes go back a few seconds in the drag race to show different perspectives of the race. Maybe they could do their normal edit and then leave in a single shot 1 cut of the drag race with speed overlays and other data.

the clips are not chronological

@@b17blg no difficulty, only the purchase of an app “dragy”

@@souljayt8411 That doesn’t help with the editing does it? It gives you the data, and May uses his specialist timing gear on all the other videos so they have that at their disposal which is miles better than a crapppy draggy appy 😂😂

@@b17blg this is suggesting they can't simply add the speedo clip into the rest just like they already do

From your knowledge, does a tune last forever? Or do you need to re-tune the car after sometime?

@@maximc9033 tunes last forever, most tunes will be ok for the life of the car, however as engines wear and mileage increases a custom tune like I had really maxed out the turbo/flywheel pushing everything hard, I would tone things down a notch on high mile cars

Well within 2.0 tdi capability and likely a map and egr delete....these guys have cam swapped, mapped, exhaust and loads of other stuff !

@@aboddle8878 at the time the car had limited development, it was around 10years ago now, but what they can get out of diesel engines is pretty insane

​@@maximc9033 i have a 535d e60 with downpipes, custom exhaust, kn air filter, hybrid single turbo instead of the twin turbo, its on 2.8 bar, m550d fuel injector, m550d water pump, Wagner ic has a remap to 530hp and 1100nm and its going well, just change the oil and tires, michellin 305 85 r19

Jeremy is a really fun guy.

Don't forget James

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@@sv52308 did you even read the comment.

@@saitama9994 bro, I could've sworn that James wasn't there before 💀

Me

The F82 M4 is THE M4!!!

It's definitely better looking than the new one

It's the best looking M4 in my opinion. Best M4 BMW made in terms of looks, between it and the current one.

And when the next generation comes out you’ll prefer the current one. It’s the same old story.

There's no getting clarkson out of his farm for less than amazon is paying him to do the grand tour

@@chakibbaiker9768 yeah I suppose 😕 would be cool to see though

@@DJ-Lee_S yep. And hopefully Hammond also involved in those drag races.

@@chakibbaiker9768 dozens of cash.

they could get hammond easily

@Brian Lee because it almost solves the nostril issue?

@Brian Lee facts! I may be biased as I owned an individual green F32 in the past! One of the best car I've owned to date, miss it. Only got rid because I needed something more practical as I had a little one on the way

@@rubalouba g82 isn’t that bad at all I really like the grills. the non m grills they look ugly without the bar in the middle

Rear looks like shit 💩 compared with new one

@Brian Lee this is not true at all. Isle of Man green and Aventurine red are amazing

It's not an M dude 🤣

and illegal

@@steineins It's not illegal. Lol

​@@jackl517 DPF removed so it's 100% illegal, but the rest can be legal. Not without the DPF removed.

​@@jackl517 dpf has been removed. Would fail mot and would not be road legal

😂

🤣

We do indeed, more realistic cars

No thanks

no diesel belongs in trucks

Matt is the man bro.

The M4 with TDI engine seem interesting. It now has 422bhp.

@@purwantiallan5089 tdi?

I've been on the diesel hype train for the past 2 years. I own a 15' TDI golf sport wagon. Absolutely LOVE the car. Averaging 40mpg, 500-540 a full tank (depending on how I drive) Bone stock it's really fun being quick off the line, and torquey. It's not fast. But the mods available especially the interchangeability. I hope to make it an awd with either the alltracks drive train or a used Audi. My dad's tdi A6 is a BEAST.

​@Josh Spades meanwhile my 400bhp+ 435D bores me

With manual gearbox.

Amin YRA. U got it.

Agree. And hopefully 5 way Super GT300 Drag Race.

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shush real viewers watch the whole video

Yep. And even against Clarence "Razor" Callahan.

Of course, it'd be awesome 👍👍👍

On foot

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The diesel power is also strong enough to pull those

the perfect diesel car

Doubt it. My 335d does 35 max with around 370hp.

​@@levimiller2551It's all In how you drive and journey length, especially in cold temperatures . My f3x 335d will only get 37mpg around town at best but when I was commuting last year doing 50 mile round trips it would get 48mpg if I took it easy around 60 mph down country roads .

​@@levimiller2551Also who tuned your BM ?

Trust me Don't! They're already chocolate

@@bigduphusaj162 lol yh mate it’s out of warranty just plan to do a stage 1 or 2 would not throw 8k at it , it’s worth less than that lol

​@@bigduphusaj162what is a good engine then in your opinion?

What you want)) You can get easily 700+ hp from old OM606 Merc’s diesel engine

If it's the older M57 diesel then crack on the newer N57 like in this video have chocolate main bearings.

430d imo has 427bhp.

The fact it's a different turbo makes not different if it's 430 or 335d

There’s no difference with it’s aftermarket turbo

​@@ronanmcnamee2008 but the 435 has xdrive

@@spookyreaper1702 of course there is, the 35d is bi-turbo, the 30d is single turbo.

That’s maybe because the M3 engines after the E92 were far less bespoke than previous generations

I mean, that should be the reverse, no? In the E92 gen, the M is slower than the 335i after it gets a 100$ tune, but the M stays the same unless it gets forced induction, after market SC is like 10k..on the other hand the gen after the E92, they're all turbo'd six cylinders, the M and the 340 and 335.So the difference between them is literally just "the lesser version is less powerfu stock, but you can gain good gains, the better version is the same but more powerful stock and can have even better gains, the best is etc. And so on. There's really no reason to get a x30-x35-x40 instead of the M after the e92 gen if you have the money, whereas the difference between E92 gen trims is a fun but slow NA V8 (M) or the straight line king twin turbo I6 (335i n54) that can easily be faster than the V8 M3. They're basically two cars for two completely different audiences, as for the new bmws, it's basically just better trim=better car, simple as that, no huge difference just better in all categories, more power, more potential, better undercarriage. What kind of person would choose a 4 cylinder bmw over a 6 cylinder M engine if he has the money and is into cars? 🤷

@@yuropean_eunion2133 i mostly agree but i never said its worth buying a 4 cylincer bmw. I said its worth buying the non M inline 6 with turbo.

@@ArisHDi all the new x30's are 4 cylinders past the e92 era

Well a diesel is interesting. Especially seeing that diesel was probably putting up way better economics....

@@gercobosch2870I have a stage 2 435D xDrive (AWD). People always ask me “why didn’t you just buy an M4?” at car meets and this video is the perfect explanation. I’m not even £30k deep into the car+mods and I smoke F8x M3/M4s… while still maintaining 50mpg on the highway and about 38mpg combined. My maintenance costs are ridiculously low because my diesel is the most reliable BMW I’ve ever owned. My first BMW was a 550i GT with the TT 4.4L V8 and my second was a 330e iPerformance with the 2.0T up front and electric motor in the rear. Buying the 435D was the best decision I ever made.

@@gercobosch2870 people tend to still underestimate diesels nowadays when in reality they’re no longer just eco or hard working engines… I got to have a go in a 2021 Audi S4 last year and honestly the bi-turbo 3L in that was absolutely insane and sounded nothing like what you’d expect from a Diesel. Sure it wasn’t tuned and I dare say the RS4 would beat it, but I don’t think it would be all that drastic of a difference as one would expect. Think the only thing that would put me off that 430d is the amount of smoke that bellows out of it and how much that’ll cover the back end… too many boy racers around my neck of the woods causing problems, developed a bit of a dislike for the telltale Passats and the like with soot black rear ends

@@barghest9810 yeah I don't like the smoke either. But probably they deleted the DEF/adblue. Which would burn away said smoke.

@@gercobosch2870 bmw does not use adblue

Rare for a reason 😂

Rare? Most cars here in europe are diesel.

Not rare at all. I even have one. Mostly because of the torque though.

@@paradox5556 Yeah maybe there are existing Diesel cars but most manufacturers have now stopped making Diesel cars. That's why they are getting rare and maybe we will never see new diesel car.

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But why is that?

@@vladislavdimitrov4646just how diesels work, only really in power from 2k to 4.3k ish . I have one of these engines and they’re great but the max power isn’t there the whole rev range

Thats not really true though, its because torque does not matter for acceleration, only horsepower does.

@@vladislavdimitrov4646 It isnt, really. Se my comment above.

@@lewdyson4744 You are right about the torque curve, but that doesnt matter for acceleration though. It all passes through a gearbox in the end.

Yes. Normal but in semi upgraded state.

Then watch officially gassed....

@DaBawski what ? All I see are videos of either high-performance cars or supper moded ones where in that is mildly moded everyday cars ????

I agree, v70/s60, Accord 2.4, Toyota camry v6 etc

It would be interesting to see how close they are to the official figure.

Why would be other then!?is m4 on wooden wheels here

We love it.

Almost like driving has been his job for 20 years.

@@jd32k never noticed that on Top Gear

Yes. Deserved tons more value for it.

Or show on the side what mph theyre going at would help

Agree man.

Ikr🤣 not only that but something else was making him nervous after the 2nd race when he started looking at the dash. That Diesel will be a nightmare as they're abysmal reliability stock nevermind tuned.

@@bigduphusaj162 These diesels have amazing reliability. They're known as one of BMW's best engines in that regard. Had my stage 1 f30 335D for 5yrs without any issue.

@@bigduphusaj162 No, sorry but you are wrong. A tuned diesel is a lot better in reability than a stock diesel. The 335d 2009-2011 for example stock have a lot of problems and tuned you can those problems go away. I have a VW mk6 Jetta TDI tuned with Darkside downpie and egr delete kit and it´s so much better than stock also a lot more reliable.

@@bigduphusaj162 had mine for 3 years, not a single issue, its a 2015 model. Very good engines, if you have no clue you shouldnt really comment

Mods ? Where from

What have you done to it if you don't mind me asking? Who was the job done by and what kind of costs we are talking about? I have the same car and I'm very curious about it. I looked up DD and some of the reviews just put me off from using them if I'm honest.

Owned both (have the f82 now), 435d at stage 1 with zf box mapped too isn’t even close. From a dig it’ll pull away quicker obv due to the 4wd but that advantage ends pretty quickly tbh . Caveat is that stage 1 is nowhere near the 460bhp that this 430d was putting out.

@@brucerobertson5450 I still like to see this IRL instead of just speculation. On a quarter mile run I think the 435d would take the start and the M4 would struggle to win. The point here is that the only thing the M4 has over the 435d is performance. On all other aspects (practicallity, fuel economy, Xdrive, towing etc.) the 435d is the better choice and if you can have close to M4 performance with an easy stage 1 tune that makes the M4 less relevant since it also costs about twice as much.

@@dlmunlimited I agree the 35d takes the start, purely down to the 4wd, it MAY take the win in adverse conditions but otherwise the m4 will blitz past. As for the comment about the m4 only having performance, sorry but I couldn’t disagree more. The m4 isn’t JUST about straight line performance, it handles so much better, feels more of an occasion to drive and looks much better. The fuel economy between the 2 is also not as large as you might think. My 3 year average with the 435d was 34mpg, currently I am at 27mpg with the M4. Practicality depends on if you have gone for the grand coupe (which I had), however not a huge amount in it. My kids get in and out the m4 just as easily. A coupe 35d is no more practical than a m4 (it’s the same body after all). The 435d was a great car, but a mapped one is no m4. I used to think something similar before I got the m4, now I know different. I doubt anyone driving an m4 is sitting there thinking “oh how I wish I had a 435d”. The issue with these types of video is that it’s a snapshot in time, so many factors come into play to allow one car to beat another, who has the better tyres, who’s the better driver, who got the better launch, how hot/cold is it, raining /not raining etc.

@@brucerobertson5450 Don´t get me wrong. I am not saying the M4 is only about straight line performance, but it is a much more extreme car that just does not work in real life as the 435d will. I have never seen a GC M4 and I would guess that you still have the normal trunk and not the fastback like the GT. Your fuel economy seems way off, I have a 3 year average of 44mpg with lots of sport mode. I would certainly miss the 435d at the fuel pump if I had an average of 27 mpg, or when towing or in snow (or both at the same time) or when paying for the insurance...The M4 is a funnier car for sure, but let´s not pretend the M4 has anything on the 435d when it comes to practiality in daily use.

@@dlmunlimited with all due respect I have owned both, and there is very little the 435d does from a practicality point of view that the m4 does not. I use mine in ‘real life’ and its been faultless. Is the hatch on the gc better, yes but the boot on the coupe / m4 is hardly unusable. The mpg was tracked via an app using fill and miles and is accurate for my usage. Towing I’ll have to concede but mainly because I haven’t towed with either. Snow, the m4 on appropriate winter tyres is just fine to use, and my previous 435d on winter tyres was also just fine to use so I don’t really see your argument there, you could argue that 4wd on winters is better than rwd on winters and again I’ll concede. Insurance, the cost delta between them for me is £100 so again nothing show stopping. As I’ve said, the 435d was a fantastic car that I owned for 3 years, mapped at stage 1 was even better but it does not compete with an M4. That’s not putting the 35d down in any way. Too many ppl assume that a mapped ‘x’ becomes ‘Better’ or ‘faster’ that of a higher model, however it’s far from the case (i was guilty of thinking this too). I encourage you to go drive an M4, you may be pleasantly surprised.

Yes.