Bob Costas: How to Fix Balloting & Vote Suspected PED Users into Baseball HOF | The Rich Eisen Show

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Broadcaster and baseball historian Bob Costas tells Rich Eisen if there’s a way to have suspected steroid users or the likes of Pete Rose in Cooperstown.
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@JD-hc1sr 2 года назад

Here’s a fact. No one benefitted more from steroids than Bud Selig and he’s in the HOF

@joecommenter1332 2 года назад

MLB is still suffering today from Selig's mistakes. His handling of player steroid use. His cowtowing to Peter Angelos in the relocation of the Expos. The legal case is still ongoing today. How this clown got into the HOF is beyond me.

@paolo-n2000 2 года назад

@JD - best, most accurate youtube comment I've read in a long time! Selig being in the HOF is criminal. He took his used car salesman DNA and used to sell MLB out and become a multi-millionaire - all while ripping out the integrity of the game and pricing out working class fans! He took the game from the people and sold to big corporations! F*%K Selig!!!!

@Sayheybrother8 2 года назад

And even the writers who won’t vote for them benefited from their careers.

@nuraby_9228 2 года назад

@@joecommenter1332 Because he's an old out of touch closet racist white man just like a majority of the BBWA.

@vintagevinylvets1187 2 года назад

Great statement, finally someone said it. Totally resent Bud Selig.

@flyingelvis8850 2 года назад

Bob Costas killing it! "Pete Rose is banned from Baseball. This segment brought to you by DRAFT KINGS?" Wit doesn't reach a higher plain with that statement. Brilliant Bob!!!

@DMJoeBing 2 года назад

Here's a solution: we have a back log of deserving players. If you won't fill out a full form of 10, your ballot doesn't count. Send in a blank ballot? Doesn't count.

@rammelcol 2 года назад

And if you do this for 2 or 3 years consecutively, you're disqualified from voting in further ballots. Hold them responsible as well.

@weekendroady2060 2 года назад

You'd start seeing truly fringe guys get in then

@mcesarey 2 года назад

Barry Bonds is the most dangerous hitter to ever enter the batter's box....there's no way around that

@edwardwood3622 2 года назад

Anyone thinks that the steroid era is over is in as much denial as 20 years ago. BTW it also started long before the 90’s.

@rorybpollaro9683 2 года назад

However, you can't tell baseball history without Pete Rose or Shoeless Joe.

@brendangilmartin4002 2 года назад

Okay but Pete rose cheated. He knew what he was doing.

@charlesappalachia8252 2 года назад

@@brendangilmartin4002 weren't ped's also cheating?

@brendangilmartin4002 2 года назад

@@charlesappalachia8252 yes

@TheDjci 2 года назад

@@charlesappalachia8252 Pete signed a deal to never go in.

@markcole8887 2 года назад

Clemens, Bonds, Shoeless Joe, and PETE, in order of priority

@angelicalynn1259 2 года назад

So here is the question I will ask. In ten to fifteen years will these same writers put no pitchers in that are suspected for having doctored balls to become better at their trade? That is just as much of a competitive advantage, and I could say a much bigger one than steroids are. Ask any hitter which is harder to hit. A pitch going a couple of more MPH or a pitch that breaks much sharper from doctoring. Oh and if you think for one moment that pitchers weren't cheating in the 90's I have a bridge I want to sell you.

@jamesanthony5681 2 года назад

I hear what you're saying, but doctored baseballs I'm sure go back to Cy Young, Christy Matthewson and Walter Johnson. That's been a constant since the game began. Hell, Whitey Ford doctored a baseball or two with his wedding ring and he's in the Hall

@Pipsatrip 2 года назад

Thank god the joke that is the rock n roll hall of fame doesn’t keep musicians out for drug use

@curly7452 2 года назад

Usually I’m all for shunning cheaters, but baseball people have to let this PED thing go. I’m more pissed none of those Astro players haven’t gotten punished for cheating their way to a World Series title. And what’s worse is when all those guys were taking steroids, baseball was at its absolute peak in popularity. You don’t see the owners of these teams and league executives complaining when their profits skyrocketed from these guys crushing the long ball. Let these guys into the hall of fame.

@stephenhill4353 2 года назад

Oh and NO ONE is talking about the rampant amphetamine usage in all sports, AND that definitely impacts focus for pitching and batting🤡

@ryanmarshall3487 2 года назад

Been saying this for YEARS!! Wish I would have seen this before I just wrote a comment a few minutes ago.

@somepeoplecanthandlethetruth 2 года назад

Some say that was Hank Aarons juice.

@mitchelll3879 2 года назад

Clemens and Bonds belong in for what they did BEFORE the steroids.. it's ridiculous

@somepeoplecanthandlethetruth 2 года назад

Exactly!! Bonds was a first ballot hall of famer without the juice, he was simply the best hitter ever with.

@beav1962 2 года назад

I agree......but then why did they feel the need to do it? To me, that is the question.

@jbaker..3337 2 года назад

IMO, the fact that Ortiz got voted in completely discredits the argument of keeping Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Palmiero, and others out.

@musicman76enator 2 года назад

Big Papi never tested positive for Roids, the others did.

@Jorge-lh6px 2 года назад

@@RaiderNation327 He didn’t test positive for Roids, it was for PEDs. And that test still isn’t 100% since we are unsure if it was a false positive or what specifically he did.

@Jorge-lh6px 2 года назад

@@RaiderNation327 We know, but the didn’t specify which type of PED he took. Not all PED’s are steroids.

@ctg404 2 года назад

@@Jorge-lh6px 😂 man stop the bullshit! He tested positive dude

@ericbrown1101 2 года назад

In the 03 tests, many legal supplements are known to have generated positives.

@spaceo8568 2 года назад

....and Bob Costas is a national treasure.

@vintagevinylvets1187 2 года назад

Love Bob Costas, really miss him calling ball games like he once did.

@stackbundles7058 2 года назад

Baseball has a consistency and credibility problem.. Can't take the baseball Hall seriously with all their hypocrisies.. Dead sport

@kfgrip 2 года назад

Whether its Steroids, Speed or Cocaine the last 50 years of baseball has a very shady back story. Gambling and womanizing removed and lets not forget alcohol abuse( not that I see this benefiting a player).

@milesmayhem5440 2 года назад

Don’t forget dipping tobacco!

@kevinsills9235 2 года назад

So what’s the steroid era? Google the history of PED’s, testosterone , etc and their use in competitive sports, Olympics etc……. Hank Aaron played 23 seasons and there was testosterone running crazy in the league even then.

@jamesanthony5681 2 года назад

What, PED's in the 1960's , 1970's in baseball? I highly doubt it. Can you cite an example? Steroids, PED's certainly existed in sports (Olympics) back then, but not in baseball. Greenies, yes, and many players took them, but that's completely different.

@ryand4533 2 года назад

@@jamesanthony5681 It was absolutely in baseball by the 70s. Most weightlifters were using it at that time you think they went to different gyms? Honestly back then it wasn’t stigmatized yet.

@Harryjay6 2 года назад

It's a damn shame that Pete Rose is so black balled.

@hughkerins3151 2 года назад

Pete blackballed himself. He didn't want to be exposed and take his medicine. He signed a lifetime ban.

@jimmymcfarland4184 2 года назад

You stayed to the end… thanks for watching. This segment brought to you by Draft Kings…. As a Reds fan who never saw Pete play live it’s a crime he’s not in. Draft kings, fantasy sports. It’s all gambling. Let Pete & Barry and the Rocket in

@GoldenFava 2 года назад

Enough of the sanctimony by the MLB and the voting writers…who cares. They were allowed to play, they played well and put up amazing numbers that entertained millions. And, put Pete Rose in for Christ’s sake…enough pretending you are oh so holy.

@juancuelloespinosa 2 года назад

8:44 great quote

@EightFrancs 2 года назад

The baseball HOF is a mockery without Barry Bonds in it.

@EffTwoFiddy 2 года назад

Costas always makes so much sense. Well said, sir.

@user-up1us9jf1o 2 года назад

Let the living members already in the HOF’s vote. Do this for all of them football baseball whatever. Let the best of the best decide who their piers are.

@bidenshusband2609 2 года назад

Would hold so much more weight than writers. Not even close

@motownXJdad9565 2 года назад

absolutely!

@jasondill5372 2 года назад

I couldn’t agree more.

@charlesgreen8703 2 года назад

If they are gonna put guys from the steroid era in…they MUST Put Pete Rose in too!

@kinggremlin4574 2 года назад

No, they don't. He knowingly broke the cardinal rule in baseball and then voluntarily accepted the lifetime ban to prevent baseball from releasing all the evidence they had found while investigating him. He chose his punishment, now he gets to live with it the rest of his life.

@jayritchie851 2 года назад

@@kinggremlin4574 A rule is a rule. What's this "cardinal" rule bullsh×t? Are you believing the drug users and ofher cheaters didn't know they were in the wrong or damaging the game because it wasn't a "cardinal" rule they were breaking? They were guilty and knew it was wrong as much as Pete did. And most of them lied about it, just like Pete did, yet you want to keep punishing him and give them a pass??? smh

@jayceh 2 года назад

Ortiz making it makes this whole thing a friggin joke. Failed a test, _and_ isn't a first ballot if Edgar Martinez who was never implicated in any way was 10th ballot.

@plannein 2 года назад

Weird to say Palmeiro is not in the elite inner circle when he's one of only six players with 500 home runs and 3000 hits but ok

@eros587 2 года назад

Add 1,800 RBI's to it and if that is not elite then I don't know what is then.

@johnts1 2 года назад

Palmeiro not elite? Stop! 3000 hits? 500 home runs? He's elite. Case closed.

@eros587 2 года назад

@@johnts1 If that is not elite , then I don't know what elite is.

@PFB1994 2 года назад

Big Papi had a loveable persona for TV . It's not just stats.

@eros587 2 года назад

@@PFB1994 I'd say both. If you don't have the stats you could be prince charming, you are not getting in.

@SunniMerlot 2 года назад

It should only be about numbers. If we bring character into things then we wouldn’t have much of a hall of fame. The first 60 years at least had guys that wouldn’t even respect a non white person. If we’re being honest. And though it was common all humans know it was never RIGHT or MORAL..

@tree7249 2 года назад

Great point.

@real_royaltree 2 года назад

What about Curtis Shilling who is left out for personal views and Pete Rose who is out for gambling which is heavily endorsed now at days.

@texasvet2729 2 года назад

Who’s Curtis Shilling?

@RobertoLopez-yn3pf 2 года назад

BARRY BONDS, ROGER CLEMENS, RAFAEL PALMEIRO, JUAN GONZALEZ, MARC MCGWIRE, need to be in the HALL OF FAME…period….

@musicman76enator 2 года назад

Build a PED HOF wing in Rob Manfred's basement. Done. Next question.

@LordZontar 2 года назад

Personally I always liked the Cosmic Baseball Association's suggestion about Pete Rose: that since he so wants to be in the Hall of Fame they should literally wall him up in Cooperstown like in the Poe story "The Cask Of Amontillado", placing his honorary plaque over the brickwork and hence he would be entombed forever in his own literal Hell of Fame. This segment brought to you by Draft Kings.

@user-vb5mr5lo4n 2 года назад

Palmeiro was elite and should be in the HOF !! Hits ,HR and RBI combination makes him 1 of 4 .

@angelicalynn1259 2 года назад

The elite inner circle is was he one of the best at his time. Palmeiro was incredibly consistent BUT was he ever a top five player in the league? Not even close. I mean be honest. he was really never top ten. Those are the elite inner circle. The guys that were at the very best for years upon years. Palmeiro was not one of them.

@MikeHart72 2 года назад

@@angelicalynn1259 I’m guessing you aren’t old enough to have seen Palmeiro play. The man should have been a first or second ballot entry into the HOF. Rafael was elite

@angelicalynn1259 2 года назад

@@MikeHart72 Yes I saw him play. First off he did fail a drug test which is what has kept him out. I did say he should be in but he was not elite. Elite being one of the very best. Sorry but he never was (only three top ten MVP finishes proves that). Longevity does not make one elite.

@mocards2416 2 года назад

if they have to put something in writing about ped era players in the h.o.f... then they should put something about h.o.f. segregation era players too... what's right is right... segregation is the biggest black eye in any/every American sport!!!

@BriggsSeekins 2 года назад

Anybody who enjoyed this conversation would like Bill James Whatever happened to the Hall of Fame. I don't live too far from Cooperstown, consider it one of my favorite little towns of all time. But the hall is pretty ad hoc and podunk and has been from it's inception. Some rich people who loved the village and lake gave them a terrific tourism business industry with the hall at the heart of it

@l.rongardner2150 2 года назад

It's a simple fix: you just create a Dopers' Wing at the HOF; and while they're at it, also add a Gamblers' and Game Fixers' wing, so Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson can also gain entry.

@jrgxyz 2 года назад

Costas nailed it.

@vproven 2 года назад

Why? There are consequences to one’s actions. Period.

@spookyboi8446 2 года назад

Easy, stop giving votes to these dorks who havent played since little league and give votes to former players and MLB personnel who know the game.

@dukedematteo1995 Год назад

That's the answer. No more nerds deciding which athletes get in. Other players and baseball executives.

@Vargumedo24 2 года назад

Ppl need to get over it. Regardless if they used PEDs. They still put in work. They still hit those home runs. Or made those strikes. We all know the history. They still deserve to be in the HOF

@musicman76enator 2 года назад

We'll never get over it. Ever.

@Vargumedo24 2 года назад

@@RaiderNation327 you still need to have the skill to hit the ball. PEDs doesn’t improve your batting avg. it’s either you can hit the ball or strike out.

@damonwebb813 2 года назад

So a very talented player comes up to the plate, the ballpark moves the walls in 30 feet for him( analogy to peds) , and after his at bat they move those walls back out for the honest talented player ( maybe he's not as very talented who is cheating)

@gregalbright4209 2 года назад

I disagree about Palmeiro he’s one of 4 ppl with 3000 hits an 500 home runs how do u not put him in if you let bonds or anybody in that era in?

@willsutter5207 2 года назад

If you're going off of stats, yes he's a hall of famer. If you are going off of the "Story of baseball" argument, like Bob and Rich were talking about, not so much. Palmeiro's most famous moment of his career was off the field when he wagged his finger at congress saying he didn't do steroids. He had a very solid career, but was only a 4 time all star, finished top 5 in MVP voting once, and never played in a World Series. Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Ramirez, and A-Rod are much more integral to the story of baseball and you can't really tell the story of the 90s/2000s without them.

@davidsantos1576 2 года назад

The museum is for the history. Not the hall.

@jasonfire3434 2 года назад

If baseball didn’t revoke the Astros’ championship then there’s no reason for the sport to keep Bonds/Clemens/Rose out of the Hall of Fame either

@angelicalynn1259 2 года назад

There is a reason to keep Rose out sorry. He agreed to a lifetime ban to keep everything from becoming public. I agree with the others but not Rose. If he ever gets in it should be after he is gone.

@jayritchie851 2 года назад

You sort of contradicted yourself. If it's okay to put him in AFTER HE DIES.....why can't you put him in while he is alive. I know it's a lifetime ban, but kind of silly and mean-spirited to say one hour after he dies..."okay, all is forgiven...let's put him in." And to complete the hypocrisy, MLB net can broadcast his funeral, sponsored by Draft Kings.

@ianhockey10 2 года назад

The baseball hall of fame where drug user and gamblers are banned but racist are allowed

@mfhthenycflyguy7085 2 года назад

Keep known juicers out! (Kick existing HOF-ers out if evidence is uncovered as a juicer in the future).

@MIKELIN8 2 года назад

The writers should ponder this: Did they vote in Gaylord Perry? If you can't vote for Bonds or Clemens because they 'cheated', how did you vote for Perry?

@thejalderman 2 года назад

Why dont we let the players vote and decide who gets in? It is their club, their museum. Not the writers.

@getreal2592 2 года назад

Weird how so many ball players did roids and yet none of them even sniff the greatness of Barry Bonds. It's almost like roids aren't magic or something.

@dcinsc7 2 года назад

More steroids - more PED’s - let these players extend their careers into their 40s.

@mikerotonda6264 2 года назад

The career leaders in Home runs and Hits are both NOT in the hall of fame? How is that possible?

@mikerotonda6264 2 года назад

My point is this, don't tell me the hall of fame is about baseball.... Because its not....clearly its about how you are liked, more than its about how you played the game.....

@buckeyechuck4064 2 года назад

It's ridiculous that bonds, Clemens, get Al aren't in the Hof. Baseball is behind the times and need to catch up

@johnnyjoey 2 года назад

Bonds was a HOF’r before he got big! If he continued to play in the same trajectory for 15 years with little injury, he would have been a guaranteed inductee!

@NipItInTheBud100 2 года назад

too bad he didnt do just that. The consequences of ones decisions are real!

@Gnofg 2 года назад

@@NipItInTheBud100 Have you ever played competitive sports? I bet you haven't. He was about the last one to do steroids. It was only when everyone else was doing it that he succumbed. What are your feelings about steroid PapI? He flat out failed his test.

@jjmalaprop9968 2 года назад

Bernie Madoff was a HOF money manager until he cheated. Like Bonds, his numbers were fugazi. Can’t separate the bad from the good and say, “even if he hadn’t cheated ...” You can’t be an upstanding citizen for 20 years then go around shooting your neighbors’ dogs and expect to retain that high stature. Bonds didn’t have to give any of the money back. He didn’t have his name erased from the record books. But you want to honor him as well? A bridge too far.

@Gnofg 2 года назад

@@jjmalaprop9968 Madoff was falsifying his records from the beginning. he died in jail. You analogy is really bad.

@jjmalaprop9968 2 года назад

@@Gnofg It is undetermined when Madoff became illegitimate. He died in jail because he paid a price. What’s Bonds’ price to pay?

@stanmathers3164 2 года назад

Too many current day announcers deem players HOF er’s long before their playing days are over. Calm down talking heads. There is time for discussions after they are retired. If they are HOF er’s the public knows !

@davemackey8262 2 года назад

Would you put a note underneath Bud Seligs plaque that says that he made his fame by allowing steroid use

@perpetualenigma1776 2 года назад

Not a single roid or ped or whatever user should be in the hall, zero fucks.

@kevincapps7694 2 года назад

It's supposed to be about the history of the game The Good The bad and The ugly. You're not supposed to pick and choose what part you want to remember and what part you want to forget.

@weekendroady2060 2 года назад

There is an argument for a PED-era wing so you can tell that ugly story (instead of giving them all bronze busts). In my opinion the Hall is a museum and should be able to figure itself out. If people don't agree, they don't need to go. We all know who the best players were without needing the Hall's seal of approval.

@motownXJdad9565 2 года назад

put it in the members hands, take it away from the press.

@thcatt 2 года назад

So, Big Papi is in. A real nice guy. He sure could swing a bat. He didn't set any records though and he wasn't much of a base-runner. I never saw him play any defense, and I'm a lifelong Yankees fan! Yet some like Pete Rose, A Rod, Barry Bonds... - Complete Ball Players - have NO place in the Hall?

@jellojoe00 2 года назад

If Bonds gets in....so should Pete because basically the rules don't matter

@MikeHart72 2 года назад

If any steroid user is voted in Rose should be enshrined first

@damonwebb813 2 года назад

Agree neither should be in

@ginomerlino5246 2 года назад

Why does anyone need to be apart of some hall of fame to feel better about themselves !! Especially people who have made hundreds of millions of dollars while playing for a living !! Every one else is working for a living not making millions and in no need of a hall of fame and still live a fulfilling life !! What kind of world are these weirdos in that u still need glorified years after you were glorified for several decades ! 🤔 cry babies !! And it's sad and embarrassing !!

@IWantToBelieve1 2 года назад

There are too many writers with agendas and the ones who try to do the right thing have no guidelines.

@KOHMAXII 2 года назад

It's pretty easy don't have the writer's vote and just let the fans do it.

@aidanorsino1 2 года назад

Why do you even want to think about fixing it , they chose to cheat and got caught , that’s life , dont be bigger than life

@jtrentbooker 2 года назад

If you can't name all of them you shouldn't call out specific players

@robertcammon5969 2 года назад

Segregation Era and Steroid Era.

@albundy8192 2 года назад

the records is the problem...aaron is the home run leader and maris the single season king...bonds records do not count..

@musicman76enator 2 года назад

Amen. Gracias Al. Now Peggy needs some loving lol

@jacobcarter1947 2 года назад

Bonds is one of the greatest players ever played. The greatest hitter. The HR champ. Steroids doesn’t make you a good player. People of all eras did drugs and had PEDs. Get over it crank.

@musicman76enator 2 года назад

@@jacobcarter1947 Even the current players today are doing drugs / have PED's? And I beg to differ, Hank Aaron is the GOAT. Period.

@ctg404 2 года назад

@@jacobcarter1947 facts

@ctg404 2 года назад

@@musicman76enator Hank is not better than Bonds 🤷🏽‍♂️ so stop the bullshit

@matrixphijr 2 года назад

One problem: adding those words to everybody’s plaque lumps people like Griffey and Thome in with people who were proven to have taken PEDs, which isn’t fair. So the only solution IS for someone to parse out who’s guilty.

@markmacintyre5628 2 года назад

Makes you appreciate how good Ruth,,mantal and maris really were. Bigger parks,,,dead balls,,,,no roids,, smoking,,,being hung over all the time,,, if you think about it it makes bonds,, McGuire and Sosa look stubid

@agoodpitch9 21 день назад

what a dumb idea, that everyone has to have that on the plaque? punish the innocent?

@haroldmurrayDFW 2 года назад

But the fans say, "No". (Repeat)

@johndye3122 2 года назад

I think they should let him in

@mikeivey7167 2 года назад

Let Pete In. Let Pete In. LET PETE IN!!!!!!!!

@tomsampson8084 2 года назад

It was never proven that Joe Jackson participated in the Blacksox scandal or that Pete Rose ever attempted to throw a game or shave points. Yes, Pete did bet, but anyone who ever saw him play knows it just isn't in his DNA to try to lose a baseball game. Many players took PED's before they were banned by MLB. All of these players should be judged strictly by their baseball statistics when it comes to the HOF. I would also suggest that it is time to take the voting away from baseball writers. Too many players that were with small market or losing teams that should be in are not because the writers don't really know about them and too many have gotten in for the opposite reason. The HOF should create a committee that would actually vet potential nominees during that five-year period from when they stop playing to when they are eligible.

@RJMay3 2 года назад

The people that didn't cheat shouldn't be snubbed for following the rules. You choose to cheat, you remain outside Cooperstown looking in.

@jamesanthony5681 2 года назад

And who decides if a player cheated? And when did they cheat?

@RJMay3 2 года назад

@@jamesanthony5681 The. Rules.

@enthusiastofcute 2 года назад

Dude, you are absolutely delusional if you think everyone in the Hall never cheated

@arthurmalonell115 20 дней назад

Tom Brady, Suspended for cheating and was on A team known for cheating. I rest my case.

@howardjordan1486 2 года назад

ROSE OMG

@michaeljacksin9367 2 года назад

hey what about the fact that mike trouts shoulders touch his ears and that shohei ohtani exists

@chadbassalo5293 2 года назад

curt shilling. no pets, just bs politics

@oneofmanyte3321 2 года назад

The only way to fix it is to have Hall of Famers do the voting

@mitchelll3879 2 года назад

You shouldn't have to vote someone if they're not hall of fame worthy

@owboky102050 2 года назад

Have a very special steroid hallway with dim lights for a dim time in baseball

@notchjohnson4713 2 года назад

It was the most popular time in baseball history. Possibly the best time of any sport.

@tdaddy6505 2 года назад

Oh no it was too entertaining

@musicman76enator 2 года назад

But it's gotta be in Rob Manfred's basement. Don't ask why. It just needs to be there.

@tdaddy6505 2 года назад

@@musicman76enator open 24 hours a day 365.

@99bimmer 2 года назад

Bud Selig and the owners wouldn't call it a dim time. They encouraged it. It helped boost attendance after the 94 strike

@kenamaro3942 2 года назад

Suspected PED usage??

@sammydavis991 2 года назад

We don’t want these cheaters in the Hall.

@kboyer309 2 года назад

How about THIS for a Plaque Disclaimer to appear near the bottom... "This HOF had skills that may have been artificially enhanced, thus may have given him an unfair advantage. But we voted him in anyway."😏

@jamesanthony5681 2 года назад

No!

@davidsantos1576 2 года назад

I fundamentally disagree. Use of PEDs is disrespectful to the statistical nature of the game. The history of the game is the numbers. Football and basketball are about championships. Baseball with its 162 games are about the numbers and PED numbers make it all a video game. Letting them in does a disservice to Aaron, Ruth, Koufax and every other greats achievements.

@harrisonpolen3112 2 года назад

Ortiz did steroids

@33moneyball 2 года назад

All utterly irrelevant....”disrespect” doesn’t negate an obviously deserving resume. Openly ridiculous that Bonds etc aren’t in. One day a non-HOF team will actually be better than a HOF team because of this nonsense

@flame-sky7148 2 года назад

But some of those guys back in the 60's through the 80's used greenies, but since they were all later banned, nobody's trying to discredit or punish the players who took greenies. Baseball waited too late to test and put sanctions in place.

@steohara6353 2 года назад

The history of all sports is PEDs . You really think any hall of famer that played before let’s say 1980 never did some kind of PED back then?

@davidsantos1576 2 года назад

@@steohara6353 if any not as much as you think. Being overly muscular was seen as bad for a baseball player. Jose conseco (sp) changed that.

@p.youhana3563 2 года назад

Everyone was making big profits back then those guys made mlb rich with huge tv deals owners & commissioner were counting that money now everyone have feeling about it get the F out here

@johncloutier298 2 года назад

Or, they could face the consequences of their actions and never get in to the hall. How many players never had success because they faced people who cheated? Where’s their justice?

@ShadowFalcon19 2 года назад

I was hoping for Curt Schilling to be in the Hall of Fame too

@eros587 2 года назад

If didn't ask the voters not to vote for him he would be elected. He got 70% the previous year , I don't recall any player getting that many votes and missing .

@timflint3408 2 года назад

You don’t let unqualified people Vote for hall of fame.

@davidkaul6180 2 года назад

Roger Clemens and Barry bonds made baseball millions how dare they not be in the hall of Fame

@MrRufusRToyota 2 года назад

Lol

@musicman76enator 2 года назад

There's a good reason they didnt get in. They cheated the game, the fans, and the country. They screwed everyone.

@Tubalcain422 2 года назад

Yeah, like Pete Rose.

@musicman76enator 2 года назад

@@Tubalcain422 I don't think Pete took roids, he just gambled and slept with other owners' wives.

@Aggie1295 2 года назад

@@musicman76enator They didn't cheat anyone

@Nyg5618 2 года назад

Neither the guy with the most hits nor the guy with the most homeruns are in the hall of fame. Also, the steroid era was the best era of baseball, with the Big Mac/Sosa 98 home run chase being the greatest season ever.

@jayritchie851 2 года назад

Nor is fhe pitcher with the most Cy Youngs......Clemons.

@chet174able 2 года назад

Yes just put bonds in upper box seat above all other players because he is

@eros587 2 года назад

I strongly disagree with the Palmeiro comments, I think if you put Bonds in ( who was prosecuted ) then you have to put all the others in as well. They are all deserving and let's be honest for something that has been around since the 1930's are you going to tell me that no one used them up until this thing explodeded?

@mariocisneros911 2 года назад

Bonds finished with +750 HR . But I believe if we remove half his home runs after 33 , he 'd still end with 600 -625. He'd be in the top 6. , and if Ted Williams been able to play instead of the military: AARON, RUTH , WILLIAMS , GRIFFEY , BOND , AND THOME .

@genenile6737 2 года назад

Can we all agree now that MLB is a business and has no integrity 😏 put them all in! Enough with the feelings

@albundy8192 2 года назад

palmerio is better than ortiz...

@Gnofg 2 года назад

Ortiz, Pudge, Bagwell, Piazza were all steroids people. My friend played in the college summer leagues with Bagwell. He was not a HR hitter.

@musicman76enator 2 года назад

@@Gnofg Piazza took roids? When?

@albundy8192 2 года назад

@@Gnofg pudge played for texas roiders...bagwell us believe...piazza however if so, must of done it since day 1. ortiz and the rest are even ore obvious.

@quiveringmoist7558 2 года назад

Ortiz numbers should have an asterisk for hitting at that 300 foot right field wall in Boston. He only had 60 HRs in his first 6 years in the league

@musicman76enator 2 года назад

@@quiveringmoist7558 It was never proven that Big Papi took Roids. They tested him back then, never a positive test.

@michaeljacksin9367 2 года назад

wtf are natural merits

@clifford7594 2 года назад

Weird. Making a living by promoting stupidity. Looks like it's working. Maybe I'll try it!

@rhammond2152 2 года назад

There's little to doubt that Ortez was 'junked-up' around the 2005/2006 period, and cleaned up by 2007. It's baseball's fault to have allowed this mess to creep in.

@douglasmurawski6165 2 года назад

You do not think he junked up his last year

@rhammond2152 2 года назад

@@douglasmurawski6165 MLB supposedly did a hefty clean up of drug-testing. around 2006. By 2007/2008, all of this should have stopped and regular numbers started to be normal. Now, if he was using a jacked-up bat....that would be different.

@dukedematteo1995 Год назад

@@rhammond2152 lol, testing started in 05, and numbers didn't go down until about 2012/13 bc pitcher velocity got very high and bullpens are amazing.

@sammydavis991 2 года назад

They let other cheaters in so why not this fresh batch of cheaters? Nice logic.