Amazing conversation indeed. He kept asking very good questions until he asked him probably the best one. How does Bobby Fischer practice and keep sharp until the next game ? Whose there like him to give him a good challenge in practice game. And Bobby said what I wasnt expecting.
*@Shawny Gang Gang* Technically, there was a 17-second silly gimmick at 13:00. The problem with "silly gimmicks" and "fake laughing" is that they work well to draw more people. That's why the marketing department calls them a "benefit" rather than a problem. People are no different than dumb moths flying towards a light bulb until the light bulb kills them. *People are the problem.* *Edit:* "they works well" changed to "they work well"
I regard this Johnny Carson interview with Bobby Fischer as the standard reference of talk show hosting excellence. Fischer had a notorious and awkward personality behind that precocious intellect and chess genius. It makes you appreciate all the more Carson’s extraordinary talent as a talk show host to not only manage and skilfully guide the interview, but also to generate high quality entertainment out of such a daunting challenge.
@@Unpopularity ‘It ain’t that deep’ of course not, that’s the beauty of it, and who’s painting anybody lesser or better than anyone else? How the hell did you cook that up? All I basically said was that I admire the way Carson conducted this interview. The irony: I’m the guy who usually loves to pull up the red carpet from under the feet of many good for nothing celebrities, It’s rare that I praise any of them.
@@vinnyvincent2862 NOT true. Have u ever actually watched/heard an interview? Seen celebs & or other ppl in the recent spotlight? Witnessed them become irate, embarrassed, or surprised/shocked?? The whole reason we watch is the entertainment factor, spontaneity=entertainment. There may be some ppl that have certain questions & topics they warn or "request" interviewers not to bring up, as ordered thru their agents; or the host may have cue cards taking him commercials, telling them what's up next, but who the hell would watch any talk show if it was all rehearsed? Ask the numerous failed talk shows hosts about that. It ain't easy please a bunch of ppl all @ the same time & have John Q. Public live u & keep coming back. For YEARS.
@@Unpopularity i think you don't know much about talk shows and how hard guests really are. Not everyone can just go up there and make someone you never met before comfort. Look at Toby Mcguire and David Letterman. Horrible chemistry. Awkward. And after Toby valued never to come back. Sometimes things to mesh but when you have someone who can get an interview like this out of someone it's very cool. Any Harrison Ford interview is so painfully boring. Conan and Harrison Ford is always so funny and fun to watch. Very deep
Carson correcting himself on the work 'trick' after noticing Bobby's slight flinch was a sign of professionalism and respect for his guest and the game. Well played, Johnny. Well played.
He was being careful not to belittle the topic with the wrong word and being clear about it, yeah he's a gem. It;s one thing for the player to refer to tricks, but when someone else uses the term it can easily imply shortcuts or a lack of skill.
there was no flinch when he said trick in this clip. are you referring to the original broadcast and saying you remembered he flinched? the idea he corrected himself based on something he saw in bobby is GARBAGE.
Why isn't it popular in America? For the same reason the first Harry Potter movie had to be called, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, in America. Because the filmmakers were afraid that Americans wouldn't know what a Philosopher is. And that is true. A little education can go a long way.
Let's not forget he was not undefeated. Bobby lost many chess games, and any sharp bum on a given sunday afternoon street corner could have cleaned his clock had he ran into the wrong bum on the wrong day. Like Tom Brady points out, it's not about being the best- it's about who plays the best on that day. I'm glad Bobby received all the accolades he did as his victories ushered in an excitement for the game which no doubt trickled down to me and countless others, who also bought and loved his book. But he was way over sensationalized and he let it get to his head, which is why he "disappeared" from the chess world as long as he did. He was so focused on being the best, and retaining that image he would have been likely beaten very badly the following year when he declined to rematch for the world championship. It took him many years to overcome the screw-job that fame and all that he went through in the MSM to regain the confidence to once again go out and try to prove to himself and the world that he was still capable of being the best. As with any competitive sport , who is the "best" is but a fleeting title to many, or a rigid belief formed when the mind was still young enough to be molded. Good talk ✊
@@Rick-the-Swift No some random guy on the street couldn't beat Fischer😂. You're absolutely fucking delusional if you think thats the case. He refused a rematch cause he was a fucking nutcase insano. Not that he'd get beaten. Magnus carlsen said he was the best to ever play. And he was trained by kasparov.
When he said he was a pawn-grabber a lightbulb went off in my head. Kicking people when they're down is definitely a winning strategy. I never knew this principle also applied to chess. But I guess he was a winner because he was the best at tediously whittling away at the king's line of defense.
Notice how nervous Bobby was at the beginning, very fidgety. Johnny Carson made him more comfortable with his calm demeanor and he talked to him. It ended up being a great interview.
@@mickfunny4185 He was. Knew exactly what to say, when to say it and when to sit back and listen. When to be serious and when to interject humor. The best there ever was.
Bobby was a real intellectual genius. He learned russian by himself in a week or 2 just to read russian chess books, he also knew many other languages that he learned in the same amount of time. He had one of the highest iqs ever measured officialy, a real stone cold genius
This is one of Johnny Carson's greatest interviews. As a veteran broadcaster myself, this clip demonstrates his incredible ability to ask the right questions at the right time, not to dominate the time by opining, but asking short, to-the-point questions. The result is that Johnny succeeded in helping us know Bobby Fischer better and what his life was like at that time. And of course, Johnny was a great entertainer. The bit with the puzzle was brilliant.
@@fjccommish 28 years full time in radio. 20,000+ hours on the air. Yeah, my colleagues in the industry would call that a veteran. Don't know who you are and you sure don't know what you are talking about. I didn't say that we "know" Bobby Fischer. I said we know him *better*. Big difference. Yeah, the man has been a recluse forever, little known. This interview is one of the better ones of him. The avalanche of comments here saying something similar means the overwhelming majority concur with what I'm saying.
@@MarkVanOuse You aren't like Johnny Carson. We don't know Bobby better. We know how he answered pre-arranged questions. Everything on a show like Carson is planned and rehearsed.
Bobby had to be feeling he was at the top of the world here. Impeccably dressed in front of a large nationwide TV audience, mixing with famous celebrities, getting laughs and applause from a very appreciative crowd, an interviewer who seemed to relate to him and what he had to go through to be world champion. I guess Bobby could not get the same motivation to sustain his drive to be #1 as he had leading up to 1972.
If I have to hear Fallon say “we love you man” to one more guest I’m going to slit my wrists ... every freaking guest.. “we love you man.. we love you man ... we love you man “. 🤦♂️
That's the exact reason why I clicked. I knew it was gonna be mature people that understand basics of personal responsibility, dressed in suits, etc. The good old days. Today we are in a 24/7 victim olympics.
Johnny Carson was arguably the best talk show host ever. Welcoming, congenial, well informed about his guests, and a great sense of humor. Remember watching his show as a kid. Simply brilliant.
I like how Fischer describes how many moves he looks ahead in a game: If there is only one reply and there's a line of moves with only one reply, then he can see 20 moves ahead. If there's a line of moves each with 3 or 4 replies, then he might only see 2 moves ahead. Well explained.
Yea this is where you see a genius iq in action, being able to take in all that information and use it, he actually makes it sound so simple, it's irrelevant to him of who hes playing because whatever the move he's calculating ahead, obviously to us it's not that simple 😂, great interview and what an insight into his thinking
@@stevesmith8933 I agree, but that is only possible if you start playing young, and thats really the biggest advantage. A person with 100 iq that starts playing at 6 till 9 will always beat a genius that plays from 16 till 19.
@@TheReasonableSkepticist I don't think that is true. Where is the evidence for this statement? The thing about chess is there are correct moves and incorrect moves. If the more intelligent person knows the rules and analyzed the strategies used over the years and the other person had just been playing without researching the hundreds of years of strategies why would you assume they would still win?
@@BiasFreeTV Thé evidence is that nearly all titled players started playing seriously before the age of 10. Chess is like a language, it’s much easier to learn if you are young.
@@TheReasonableSkepticist because people get into it at a young age. what reason would someone have for starting chess later in life, if they have an affinity for the game? anyone can afford a set, so the barrier into entry is incredibly small. if they have an interest chances are they started playing early. that said, many people pick up chess later in life, Rubenstein was 16. The number 2 guy in Poland started at 42. There are plenty of examples of people starting late in life. So while a genius who started at 6 would likely fare better than a genius who started at 16, I don't think it's true that someone of average intellect would necessarily usurp a more intelligent player due solely to when they started.
For self-proclaiming that he knew nothing about chess, Carson did a great job asking relative and interesting questions. Great interviewing skills and voice for sure.
He definitely knew a little if he asked about gambits and knew what it meant. Carson was likely just a very bad chess player or beginner level that said he didn't know how to play but I'm pretty sure he knew how the pieces moved. Just my opinion though.
He was one of the best talk show hosts in history. Very intuitive, forthright and calm with each one of his guest, whether he personally knew/liked what they were into or not. Outstanding host.
I was noticing the exact same thing. I was like... man, Johnny is asking some really good questions. It should have been no surprise though since he was the best to do it in my opinion. Late night hasnt been the same since he left.
So very true in other countries too. Australia had some fantastic interviewers 30 or 40 years ago. Great conversationalists with wit. Nowadays, they couldn't carry a conversation if they tried and only seem to know how to follow a script.
The only recent host that would stand a chance would be Conan O'Brien. He can be clownish, but has intelligence to back it up. Fallon would try to get Fischer to sing karaoke.
It was a mess back then too. Listen to Bobby Fischer interview on the Dick Cavett show. It was so awkward it made my skin crawl. Dick Cavett literally say's "I wish I knew the right questions to ask you."
Johnny Carson was so polite and seemed genuinely interested in whatever his guests were doing, or at least made everyone believe he was, he took a jab at humour whenever possible, it's nearly impossible to dislike the guy.
Scott Magill, Alcoholism & marriage don't mix, he was also an introvert, I heard he was a mean drunk, but during divorce(s) many stories both true & exaggerated do come out. To Carson's credit he gave a Massive Amount to charity, he created the Johnny Carson Foundation with 156 million (in 2005 dollars) the largest Hollywood sourced charity EVER, you can't buy your way into heaven, but I think he redeemed his name.
We have fallen since. I have seen a video of Magnus Carlsen doing chess promotion in a school. He was in a open space with lockers around, there was movement and bells. A grand master is treated this way now. No respect.
When we first heard about him we thought it was just a gift but biographies show that he worked as hard at his game in his youth as any athlete. Thousands of hours of study and tournaments.
Shame it drove him mad as a hatter. He spent the end of his life an angry nutter on Island, his driver being his only friend. He would lose that friendship at the end too, they wanted to make a film about him, and they would pay him good money, he was fine with it until he found out his friend would also get some money, a lot less, but he rejected the deal cause somebody else, even his only friend, would benefit from it.
Definitely. It shows the dangers of social media especially considering the last president trying to demolish the Capitol using minions that Trump egged on using social media
Here's a great example where Johnny showed why he was so good at what he did. No politics, no trumpeting his own horn, just good thoughtful questions, and a genuine interest in learning and what the guy had to say. That put Bobby Fisher at ease and he opened right up.
Absolutely. And since that style and approach was so successful, why did these Late night shows turn into , “Let’s kick conservatives asses in every single joke, every single segment, every conversation?? We watch news and want entertainment later, but these whacked out Night Show hosts have nothing else in their repertoire. Single-subject shows night after night after night.
as a brit johnny carson is a semi-mythical figure who doesnt really feature in our culture. Here ive just watched him for the first time and hes amazing at "playing dumb" to get his guests to feel empowered. Bobby fischer didnt need much encouragement, but Johnny clearly was anything but dumb. great host.
Richard Harris was a favorite guest and told such great stories, but he always came out nervous like he had been called into the Head Master’s office. Then there would be a little old lady from somewhere in the hills and she’d be hilarious too.
@@malachi4838 how do you define arrogance. He doesn't disrespect the others. Arrogant people disrespect the others. He doesn't. But states that among that players he is the best player.
@@innosanto I mean if arrogance is related to disrespect, I recommend you read up on his beliefs and what he's said about Jews (despite having Jewish ancestry himself).
Carson actually asking interesting questions for someone who knows very little about the game; not just fluff. So refreshing ... a time when late night interviewers actually tried to interview, rather than simply be personalities.
"I woke up the day after the thing was over and I just felt different, like something had been taken out of me." His whole life he had been dreaming, preparing, and living for this ultimate goal. Once he achieved it there was a massive hole left behind. And sadly, for him, nothing could really fill it.
Happens to a lot of champions. Such an ironic fallacy. The hunger to be the best is their drive and once that hunger is satiated the fire burns out. Mostly in 1v1 mental and physical. Especially in fighting/ mma/ boxing.
@@Dunkdamonk Happened to Tyson Fury after he beat Klitschko. He went totally off the rails for a few years. Hope he's all right now, since he seems to be the type who could easily fall apart again. And he really doesn't have much left to prove at this point to help motivate him.
what "his whole life", the man became a world champion in an incredible battle against the Soviet machine, even before he turned 30, after which he achieved the goal and gave up ... normally! Then his life goes on for even more than 30 years, you idiots! The hole is in the minds of those who persecuted, terrorized, persecuted and slandered him !
Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see. No great mind has ever existed without a touch of madness. Only a couple of idioms that best described Bobby Fischer.
There is not a single late-night talk show host today who could conduct such an interview without trying to get laughs or to keep the energy up among the audience. This was a sober, interesting interview that Carson conducted without letting such an academic subject as chess become dull. I can't think of anyone today who could do this.
@@johnhungerford6073 He was! I think because, as he readily admitted, he knew nothing about chess. Still, he handled the interview so well. Gotta love the cigarette in the ashtray. Lol
No one will be able to equal Johnny Carson's ability to do an interview on a late night show. This is a perfect example of how to interview people of interest without constantly injecting silliness or sexual innuendo which has become the pattern of other late night talk show hosts.
To be fair, Johnny had lots of contemporaries like Dick Cavett who were also doing smart interviews without goading the audience to laugh or applaud every 5 seconds. It was just a different time, with different expectations for what a talk show was. Johnny was very good, but but not unique in this regard.
There's a lot of younger commenters here saying how great this is, how good Johnny is, how bad talk shows are now.... to put things in context, you have to understand that Johnny *invented* the talk show format. There has never been anyone since that could hold a candle to him. He was the absolute greatest. Pure class, style, humor - but still relatable. He could laugh at himself, and never took things too seriously. I love Craig Ferguson's show, and there have been other good shows (early Letterman was fantastic, but a different type of show entirely). But the Tonight Show was always tops, and Johnny was, and always will be, the King. When my family took a vacation to Southern California in the mid 80's, as a young teenager I was fortunate enough to recognize his greatness - and the one thing I asked to see was not Disneyland, not Hollywood, not beaches... but Johnny Carson - so we went. I will never forget that hour plus in the audience. It was pure magic.
@@drummerdoingstuff5020 True, but the category includes people like reporters and other show hosts, and with today's sorry excuses of late night hosts, it's refreshing to see. Johnny Carson was and always will be the best. If he was alive today, his podcasts would be fire!
@@wolverine9632 If he would do podcasts. Conan O'Brien makes transitioning to longtime traditional TV host to podcaster look like a good move, but the way Johnny Carson retired then stayed retired, maybe Carson would have said no to all the new media.
Absolute bolox. "You're the champion chess player of the entire world". He was World Chess Champion. "Is the trick, not the trick to maintain the championship?". His questions were inane. "What endorsement offers have you had? One's that a kinda strange?" What sort of question is that? Carson showing his complete lack of understanding about chess. I thought his questions were infantile. "Can anyone learn to play chess?" F.F.S. the mans an idiot.
I was in Ireland as a teen while Fischer and Spasky were playing for the championship. It was exciting that the whole world was watching the cold war being played on a board game.
It was definitely a "Romancic era" in chess... before the computers. This guy was Alpha Zero! Chess is having a boom right now in because of online chess its crazy, 20th century Chess was a whole different game really. Thousands of years and the game continues to evolve.
I was noticing this too, though you put it more succinctly than I would have. He straight out admitted by usually only thinks two or three moves ahead. But in saying that, he also said that for each move he pictures, he has to think through 3 or 4 other possible moves by his opponent. Interesting to get a glimpse into his mind. By the way, he also has a talent for brevity. Very interesting man.
I love how humble Carson is, mentioning how little he knows about the game. I also appreciate how someone as "cool" as Carson (he was a buddy of the uber cool rat-pack with Sanatra back in the day), doesnt attempt to make jokes at Bobby's expense and doesnt try to make him seem "nerdy" for the audience's entertainment. Also...this interview is riveting to me. I cant stop watching
He didn’t “go crazy” until his own government put out an arrest warrant for him for playing a rematch with Spaasky because Yugoslavia was under a boycott by the UN. After that he really let it be known who he felt was in control. And since they own the media they made him out to be insane
Almost 40 years later people are still fascinated with Bobby Fischer. I think Johnny did an amazing job keeping Bobby at ease. In 1972, while Spassky slept, 50 Grandmasters studied the position from the previous day, and yet Bobby beat them all, not just Spassky ... all the Russians were defeated. That's how good Bobby Fischer was!
And yet there was that famous position that Botvinnik drew thanks to help from E Geller in the adjournment. Spassky has admitted he was not in his prime for the 72 contest, his star was already waning, and was "out of ideas", having used them all up just to get there. I think Geller or Tal, or most probably Korchnoi, would have been better opponents at that time. It would definitely have been more interesting. That is not to underrate Bobby. The other guys had been at the top and great for years. Fisher was the dynamo new blood, with great skill, and great determination, practically rewriting some endgame theory. And some very good American chess playing buddies too. Yes Fisher was incredibly good. But not vastly apart from his contemporaries as is supposed. He lost quite a lot more, than is realised too. Mikhail Tal was known, as some others, to play over 80 serious games without loss. There was an awful lot of incredible talent around. To overcome all the Soviets took incredible drive and purpose. Fisher was focused solely on chess, to break their monopoly, and I'm glad he did. Shame he gave up playing the others! But was still great at blitz in the 1990's.
@@clips001ify The movie was okay... but a big disappointment from the novel, which was excellent. Of course, movie adaptations not living up to the novel is not uncommon.
Made me question my existence watching a video and seeing that I had already commented on it the day before I watched it. Cheers from one Mark Sawyer to another.
No politics, no agenda by the host. Just a great interview about the guest on the couch. Not about the host or his ego. Johnny was simply the best. Never be another like him.
@@alfonsoignacio9006 WHAT? The ONLY talk that came near "politics" was of how Spassky was treated in the Soviet Union after this event, and the 'competition' of international chess. Who would compare that dialogue with the Marxist, divisive garbage they're spewing at the networks today? Are people that indoctrinated by Liberal socialism to see the same level of politics in this interview?
that was a really tough interview. Fisher, like a lot of brilliant people is a bit of an introvert and drawing him out on a topic is abstruse his chest, no small feat. This is a hell of a lot more impressive from Johnny Carson‘s perspective, then when he interviews Robin Williams for example.
In an interview, Johnny said he rarely did political jokes but when he did they were never mean spirited. He asks the interviewer, why would I want to hiss off half my audience every night?. Smart man. Haven't watched any of the late night junk on nowadays since Jay Leno left. I loved headlines on Monday nights.
@@uncletony6210 I missed that show but interpretations of interviews is up to the individual watching/listening. I'll reserve my take till I see/hear it and get back to you.
Johnny Carson was before my time, but I see now why he's so beloved. His interview is the perfect blend of serious and humorous. At the same time, he keeps pulling you in closer and closer, and before you realize it, it's over. There's a natural rhythm to his style that is sort of hypnotizing. I'm not even a chess fan but I enjoyed every minute of this.
Johnny will forever be the king of late night. He spoke to everyone equally, he took jabs at everyone equally (including himself). He never used his platform for socio-political punditry. And NO ONE will ever replicate his ability to look into the camera for an unspoken punchline. Today's late night hosts have become vitriolic pundits, who instead of telling jokes and making minor social/political commentary, are now pushing mockery and condemnation as "comedy". The only host in 30yrs to even get close to Johnny's level of greatness was Craig Ferguson, who was robbed of David Letterman's show when David retired, because Craig was not political enough, or more precisely, he was not partisanly political enough. Today the US has only one classic style late night personality in Conan O'brien , the rest are hour long political Op Ed shows marketed as "comedic entertainment".
I’m really impressed, came here for the puzzle and ended up watching the whole thing, he makes the interview and the guest so interesting and entertaining.
I loved Johnny as a kid and still do. However I also remember how disappointed I was when I realized that he/they were using his show and his platform as the day's "best" interviewer as a vehicle to politicize many events. Even this interview, is part of why Bobby Fischer "disappeared" from the chess world as long as he did. He was screwed up by all of the attention, along with the title the "Best", which he Bobby became consumed by. That title still consumes and clouds his fans to this day who never understood how screwed up Bobby was because of this belief that others had held for him, and with him. People should realize that Bobby was not undefeated. He lost many (probably countless) chess games. Fischer was unable to let go of the title that others, like Carson gave him and that he gave to himself. Many champions well understand that the "best" is but a fleeting title, or a rigid belief formed when the mind was still young enough to be molded. Bobby's mind became molded alright, but not by the kind others may think- it became infected as it became politicized into making the Americans yet once more the world's "best" against the Russians. It's little wonder why he declined to rematch for the world championship the following year. His mind was so consumed with retaining the image as the world's best, he likely would have been beaten badly and therefor his highly coveted title demolished. He simply couldn't allow that to happen, or perhaps he was persuaded to forfeit the tournament by others who are very powerful and convinced him to remain silent. Now when I look back and see how politicized of an object Bobby became and which he allowed, I can't help but pray for him, Carson and everyone else that took part in it, including myself. Bobby's sacrifice was far greater than most will ever realize.
@@UnknownUzer "He never used his platform for socio-political punditry" I hadn't read your comment until after mine was made, and I could see why you might think that, but respectfully I couldn't disagree more with this notion. Please read my previous comment for a fuller view what that entails. Johnny and the Tonight show runners used his platform to persuade countless people across the world to lean this way or that, when it came to many of the day's politics. Johnny's arena, although subtle, was one of the biggest and most effective socio-political platforms to have ever existed IMO. His charm and humor were just the key ingredients people needed if they were to digest a pill that was as big and as important as Americans, being the "Best"- especially when paired against our rivals- the Russians! And keep in mind we are only talking about this one episode. There are many.
A lot of people have commented how good an interviewer Johnny Carson was and how he put Fisher at ease during the interview. This is undoubtedly true and one of the reason Fisher decided to go on his show after winning the championship. When Bobby won, everyone and their mothers were trying to get Fisher on their show, but Fisher was very introverted and dislike doing interviews and live appearances (in fact I think he did 3; Carson’s, Bob Hopes and Dinah Shore’s). But Fisher loved Johnny’s show and decided to go on.
We are all lucky that Fisher took an interest in chess instead of a more malevolent past time. This interview alone is a treasure trove of red flags for any psychoanalytic professional. His choice of clothing, his facial expressions, his body language and erratic movement. This mans potential for malevolence is staggering. He could have very easily been another Ted Bundy if just one small part of his childhood took a significantly different turn.
@@VotEtoPizdets He is a very very interesting study from a psychological point of view.As you have said, look at Fisher’s body movements and ticks during the interview. He seems very guarded and nervous. The thing he said in this interview ghat I found most interesting is when Fisher stated that the morning after he won the championship he felt that something was taken out of him.He was so driven to beat the Russians and become champ; now that motivation was gone. He had no childhood so he couldn’t fall back on that. As a teenage he didn’t meet girls ect ect. It wasn’t long after this that he read “the proticals” and went off the deep end.
Great moment of tv, diplomatic and funny Johnny Carson, hilarious Ed McMahon, wonderful Suzanne Pleshette, and amazing Bobby Fisher. Yes, very different vibes on today's late night, much much better then. Thanks for posting it.
@@scrubfive9239 There's inflation in chess ratings just as there's inflation in money. I'm sure Vishy Anand has a higher rating now than he did when he was 27, but there's NO WAY he's stronger now than he was at 27. Chess players get worse as they age; they're like athletes, they don't get better.
Yeah. A current world champion should be able to say they are the best. Simple as that. With chess there is also very little doubt. At least as far as competitive players are concerned.
@@I_WANT_MY_SLAW Um...He literally was the world champ. He was asked if he was the best. If he said no, then he would sound like a simpleton. There's a problem with stating things are not than what they are that people do not give enough attention to. There's a substantial part of the human brain that is literal AF. It couldn't tell something is a "flex" if it tried. Anything, but anything you, or anybody else says is taken at face value, and stored as valid information. Now, considering some modern trends, if most people recorded themselves for a day, and then kept this in mind while they review everything they said, then they would be horrified. Constantly inundating themselves, and others, often their closest friends and loved ones, with mountains of negative reinforcements.
God Bless Bobby and Johnny, the humor out of Johnny during the 15 puzzle segment was was priceless. No matter how many times, I watch this I end up with belly laughs!!!:-)
underrated comment.... & Bobby Fischer is a clever orator. Chooses his words carefully & you can pick up on his savage sarcasm if you pay attention. He speaks in the same way he plays chess...... Awesome, lost form of media excellence.
Yeah, but in this context, he's talking about moves he might make on a chess board to lure his opponent into a trap, not physical or psychological tricks. Although, I do believe Bobby wasn't entirely forthcoming about his use of psychological warfare when participated in these tournaments, that's just not what he meant when he used the word 'trick'.
@@operator0 I just think Johnny was afraid it would somehow be read as cheap or insulting. Bobby didn't think so, whether "tricks" as in gambits or "tricks" as in means to psych someone out. Just a funny thing where Bobby didn't need to be handled as carefully as Johnny supposed.
Carson was the gold standard interviewer -- lucid questions, well prepared for the guest in advance, detailed questions and layers of questions to dive deeper, a genuine and truly obviously interested host-interviewer rather than just a host, and a good listener who didn't talk over or talk more than the guest. This interview with Bobby Fischer is just great. Fischer's facial expressions are strikingly similar to Nicholas Cage
Carlson is great at raport with his guest and seems much less phoney than many hosts. That is an increadibly hard skill when doing TV interviews as usually there is an ulterior motive that the station want.
Yeps, yep, yepp and yes (and, he looks like cage and stallone were merged, so you'd beef up cage, keep cage's face, get stallones voice, but no speech imped...Sylvester "15" Cage)
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Never seen this before and it displays Carson as a truly incredible interviewer. He is reacting to everything Fischer says or the body language shown. He is also phrasing questions well ahead to keep the interview flowing. Just thinking like a chess player in fact.
@@jerrylisby5376 Good point to bring up. The Divine Mind is so far beyond the human that it is unimaginable. Playing trillions of trillions of trillions of games of chess throughout the world and across the universe simultaneously would be like a wisp of straw on a train.... Fischer himself regretted going into chess. Paul Morphy was extremely gifted at chess but considered it a waste of time. Sultan Khan was another highly gifted player who shared this view, and refused to teach chess to his descendants, saying to them that they should do something better with their lives.
Now you see why they call him the king of late night. Imagine a clown like Fallon trying to do this interview. Classy, curious, thought provoking questions. What a legend.
Fallon is loathsome, always turning the attention to himself. Note his exaggerated laugh and facial mugging at a guest's joke, turning the attention back to him. He lacks gravitas and is an insufferable ham. He should be replaced.
Letterman would have been horrible too. The current Late Night dudes think that insults and barbs are humorous. Sure, you might eventually develop tough skin if you are constantly in the limelight but Fischer would not have been drawn out that way. Maybe Trevor Noah or on his best, past behavior a Bill Maher. Stephen Colbert went off his rocker when Trump became President and still hasn't returned from the Nut Farm with his paranoia and conspiracies. The worst is John Oliver who is unwatchable at any time.
Bobby fisher is the reason I love the game of chess so much, I watched a documentary on RU-vid not too long ago and was fascinated by him and the game! Extraordinary human being
Johnny's first two guests that night, Bobby Fischer and Suzanne Pleshette, died within two days of each other in January of 2008. That doesn't mean anything, I just found it interesting.
lmfao no sorry only one of them as a 180 IQ. Watching fischer talk to carsons is like watching a baby and an adult conversing. That is the gap between their IQ's.
11/8/72...re watching this at times over the years I'm always amazed at the ease and calm demeanor of Bobby, in the presence of Carson...then to top it off as a side note, he's the best 15 puzzle player...do they actually have championships for the puzzle game??...been doing some reading that if the pieces are arranged a certain way it's IMPOSSIBLE to solve..all right this is a rabbit hole I do not need to go into!!!
Johnny Carson shows how much better an interviewer he was than anyone else and it wasn't even close. I just watched Bobby Fischer's interview with Dick Cavett and it was awful awkward and worst of all Boring. Johnny kept both interesting and funny. RIP Johnny you're the greatest to ever do it!
I fell inlove with Johnny Carson after this interview. How serious he was, matching Bobbys intensity not treating any question like a joke. Great Great job.
For me Bobby Fischer is the greatest. The talent, the personality, the craze he generated for chess was unprecedented. What would have happened had he not had his crisis post-1972, and had retained the same zeal to play chess? We would never know and thats part of his appeal and enigma.
They actually did a study on some chess players in intense matches and found they burn just as many calories as many other athletes in physical sports, kinda crazy to think the mind can be tuned for that kind thing
Exactly. I am a competitive chess player myself, and people laugh when I tell them that I lift weights and jog in order to prepare for a tournament. Oh, the ignorance! 😂
@@missourimongoose7643 Actually your heart rate can increase severely in crucial momentos of the game, especially when you have few minutes on the clock for a specific number of moves and you have to calculate the posibilities
@@missourimongoose7643 if you did any amount of hard work using your brain (i.e. study math/physics etc. or just solving problems) it would be pretty clear how much calories you burn just buy realizing how hungry you can get after only 2 hours, let alone 5+. Btw brain consumes ~20% of total energy your body uses during the day (think that's some kind of average)
There is a reason humans can only use a portion of their mental capacity: the enormous amount of energy and stress generated. Think of computers and how hot they get while performing close to 100% of capacity.
These are INCREDIBLE questions. Johnny knew who he was dealing with and showed an attunement I have rarely seen when interviewing psychologically particular genius.
Carson made an effort to help Bobby's public profile in this interview. (This may have been talked about prior to broadcast.) Bobby was rather nervous, particularly at the beginning.
@@severusfloki5778 On review, I should have used anxious rather than nervous. His is waving his foot around a lot. I think the purpose of the interview was to re-introduce him to the US public as a brilliant but 'regular guy' to counteract reports of his obsessive behaviors during the world chess championship against Spassky, such as insisting film cameras were removed, turning up late, and forfeiting game two. At the start of the interview, Fischer exhibits body language of someone who is exceedingly intellectual -- the postures he took were as if he were at that moment contemplating over the chessboard (0:39, 0:49, 1:05).
@@electronwave4551 I think you were correct in saying Fischer was nervous at the start, but Carson was masterful in putting him at ease as the interview progressed
