Anyone who has tried to play golf with clubs and balls from bygone eras will tell you how tough it is. A smaller and less compliant ball, club-heads are so much smaller with a tiny sweet spot, wooden/hickory shafts are a nightmare. That Jones hit the ball as well as he did is testament to his skills, and others of his and previous eras, too.
Scott Shields You can still do it. A tiny backwards move of the left wrist while you move back does help prevent the hands from turning or twisting during that phase of the swing.
@@mindscapereality1173 one of the most underrated and underused aspects (these days) of the classic swing. A slight move forward with the wrist and chest prior to the "almost lazy" take away, helps. It's not actually a wrist drag, as most think, he's taking the club away by moving his chest and this is the effect of having loose arms and wrists. I have built my swing around this move. It's great for swingers as opposed to hitters. Most amateurs are better off swinging than hitting IMHO.
@@adamhazelwood5282 Sounds like you've read the golfing machine. I pretty much agree with the sentiments, but I would add that it is very small but specific amount of backwards give of the wrist relative to the plane as the dual agent of the shoulders transports the power package and occurs as a result of the inertia of the clubhead placing pressure on the hands. However, it is a move that can be overdone which may lead to inconsistencies of the clubhead orbit which in turn can disrupt clubface alignment. Therefore, there has to be a constraint on the amount of "give" you will allow. At the start of the backstroke, the hands move into a position relative to the plane, it holds that position until the force in the clubhead exceeds the force the hands are transmitting to it through the clubshaft at which point there are options on how the hands respond to the excess clubhead force as it activates the secondary lever. It's like pushing a trolley with open hands, while you're pushing it and accelerating, your hands stay pressed against it, but eventually, it trundles off away from you. Your hands must be moving into and then holding a position during start up whilst placing its pressure. The wrists cannot be loose in the sense they are floppy, but perhaps can be in the sense that the inertia of the clubhead mass assists the hands to the correct position.
@@mindscapereality1173 I've not read the golfing machine, but I have heard of it. I'm fascinated with the golf swing and its conundrums. Bobby Jones' swing is a favourite, and boy did it work for him! I've been studying count yogi's swing lately, which had several paradoxes to the way golf is taught today. Whilst I cherish watching some modern players swing the club, Rory McIlroy for one, the artistry of the classic golfers is where my heart lies. I feel professional golf these days is for athletes, in the main, and the average players would do far better working with the classic swing because it's so much easier on the body, relying more on timing than raw power.
280?!! With that equipment. That's a legendary swing just on principle of results. Not mentioning its stylish flow. It may not look today's model but if I had that swing I'd sure show it off at the driving range every night.
+Tommy H - Tommy, what level of golfer are you? I played to a 3 handicap, won a corporate championship and other am tourneys, have watched the immortals (e.g., Palmer, Trevino, Mickelson) in person, and Jones' swing is absolutely magnificent to my eyes. You better be one heck of a golfer to make that claim. otherwise, you're a buffoon.
***** - Bobby Jones was one of the longest hitters of his era when you consider average driving distance. You're just wrong about that, factually wrong. Jones swung the way he had to due to the equipment of the day, i.e., hickory shafts. His swing is simply magnificent. I am not a hack, BTW, have broken 70, have won am tourneys and a corporate championship
It's a beautiful swing maybe the most, so esthetic... he looks like a dancer. It's written on the TV screen, driving distance : 280 yards. You have to read also Tommy , not only watching the pictures like a child. With nowadays balls you can add 30 yards, means 310 yards. It isn't enough for you ?
+Pipo Tronic I actually heard that a drive from Bobby Jones's era would be at least 30% less than today, so if that is true, he would be absolutely crushing it today. In my opinion, golf swings were much more powerful before the aid of low spin drivers and high performance golf balls.
I also believe his address position with bent left elbow, is one of another age. However, the rest of the swing, lower body movement, pronation & supination at impact, body balance, late wrist release, and the whole lot is simply perfect. On a side note, even though his swing was definitely tailored for hickory, these shafts might be steel. They were pretty common on Tour by 1930. Hard to tell from that vid. Oh and I'm a teaching pro / clubmaker, not that it validates anything I might say :)
You are technically correct, the hips basically just slide left which does make them turn slightly. I should have said however that they don't drive the shot by turning. Take a look at top Asian lady golfers and watch how they delay the full hip turn, until after they have leveraged the hands against a braced left leg, then only turn their hips fully to keep up with the club head's follow through. - In my opinion of course.
Bobby Jones' down swing starts from the ground up.First thing he does on the downswing is plant his left heel (like Nicklaus after him) which starts the chain reaction. The step onto the left heel pulls the hips which pills the torso, shoulders , arms ,hands and club (in that order). His power comes from this "kinematic" sequence. I get the idea maybe you have been listening to Jim Hardy's two plane ,delayed hip, karate chop swing theory?? If so Bobby Jones is turning in his grave ;)
All these goofy experts who find fault with Jones' swing are ignorant of one thing: All that matters is that the club head is on plane and accelerating throiugh the ball. Period.
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They never seem to focus on what he did really well - there has been nobody with such rhythm, tempo or lack of tension in the swing. If he were playing today he would pick up 25 majors easily. He was simply the greatest golfer who ever lived. Not even close.
dammmmmmmmmm, thats silk sheet smooth, leg action, hand action, lag and slot action. he has just one itsbitsy move that no one else has then or now to get it going. but I see the devil in his detail. 😋
Wattch how far behind the ball he turns his left knee. I vastly improved my swing after wathching Bobby Jones and Ben Hogan videos and concentrating on turning the left knee where it points just behind the ball.
This is a great example as to why the downswing rules all other principles. With excellent footwork everything falls into place moving through the shot. The so called x factor shows up in the downswing, not the forward swing.
Right sided takeaway - good, Turn into braced right leg - good. No clenched fists to exaggerate lag - good. Hips don't turn to lead the swing, just wait until the hands reach the right thigh - good. Right leg stays out of the shot - good. Goes against conventional instruction - great.
Cinepost ; Thanks for the question . This is what my friend was teaching me ... ( The Rule of 12 - Chipping Tip for Golf Richie3Jack ) This fellow covers it qiute well . All I came say is the boat captian floggs me on most longer chips *like these:* And I love chipping over bunkers , up tall lofted greens ? Yes please !!! I'm shooting 83-97 . Five year golfer . With just 5 strokes off is 78-92 . Six over par on a good day i'll take that . Perhaps even fewer 2 or the dreaded 3 putts ? I posted here not to distract from Jak's page . Cheers from Canada
Ooo, you got me real good, alright. Except that I'm not the least bit dull and nowhere near humorless. Of course you're "allowed" to say stupid things, although I didn't say it was stupid. It just seems to me that if somebody is going to criticize an aspect of the swing of one of the greatest players in history, for that comment to have any weight at all, one or more things must be true: 1) you're a highly respected teacher whose credentials have been established already; ....
2) you are a skilled, accomplished, and well-known player; or 3) you offer some reason for your summative judgment of why his address was awful and his takeaway almost awful, so that the argument stands on its own merit without regard to who you are (which is one way people eventually make a reputation anyway).
"Hips don't turn to lead the swing" I am seeing something different. 0:27 right about here Jones is at the top of his backswing and then his hips turn which caused the club to pull down.
Try looking at Legends of Golf: Bobby Jones to illustrate my point about Jones not turning his to lead the swing through impact. Sorry about last messed up reply. by Wayne Defrancesco•1 year ago
At least Tiger Woods, Dustin Johnson, Furyk, Scott, Dufner, Fowler, etc are injecting new young life into it. They got me into it, and I had no intention of liking golf.
My question was related simply to the weightlessness of what people do so often out here, when they leave an unargued-for criticism like a pile of droppings, without the slightest argument as to why anybody should pay any attention to it. I mean, it's your business, obviously. I just wonder why people do it. On the other hand, if you meant it as a joke (as your comment about my being "humourless" may imply), that's a different matter.
Alright, let me try it this way: In your assessment of his "awful" address and takeaway, are you taking into account the fact that he's playing with hickory-shafted clubs?
Never said I was qualified, just my opinion. I'm allowed to say things that might seem stupid to others just as you're allowed to be completely dull and humourless. See everyone wins.
I went from a 20+ handicap to a 2 handicap in a year by listening to these "trash" teachers and players. Perhaps they know a little bit about what they're talking about. I can respect that you prefer the classic way of swinging a club, but no 2 people swing the same and what works for you may not work for me, and vice versa. It's not the teacher, it's the player.
His address looks awful, take-away not much better, but the position at impact is impeccable. Love the style too with all the crazy foot and leg movement.
As an teacher & I didn't know who it was, I'd say 1st,straighten your arms at address. Rt foot is flared a bit too much. Backswing's a bit flat & too far past parallel. LOVE hip rotation but at & just past impact your left arm/elbow chicken wings. In front of the screen I'd not love the forward hip waggle prior to swing. 2 iron in front of screen is almost perfect except feet too close together - then you realize who it is and it's like - wow all those imperfections and it's Bobby friggin JONES!
If he had a coach like butch harmon to work with and used rifle shafts he would easy hit the ball 600 yards and have won more majors than tiger woods and nicklaus combined
When I see a swing like Jones I immediately wonder if you took that swing and put it in the brain of a 20 handicapper what score would they shoot? It wasn't a great action, in need of much refinement, but that space between his ears, that procedural memory he has accrued and trusts 100% is the reason he was great... Not that action for sure. May as well not even show that video of him swinging because it has zero to do with why he was great. Hogan, now that is different, you can see elements of perfection everywhere in that swing. Take Patrick Reed for example. There are hundreds of minor league pro golfers with far greater talent than Reed but Reed has won the Masters and 8 PGA Tour events and these guys can't even make it through qualifying school. It's in the head. 80% of the game. Not enough is devoted to addressing that facet.
With Bobby jones swing you casually dismiss, he would dominate golf in any era. Yes he could think his way into the winners circle but what other swing in history can a player not swing a club for months and then go out and win a major.
@@cinepost effective? They were playing on ridiculously short courses with no rough. I mean they were easy as anything. Totally hacker swings!!!! Nowadays these guys would be basic club pros struggling to break 80.
@@cinepost Blah Blah! Look at those crap swings! They couldn't beat any pro today. Bet you are a Trump supporter! You freak, well your president was impeached today and no longer president hahahahahaha
When you said no rough and no yardage, i immediately realized you don't know anything about past golf courses. In comparison of equipment and ball, course today should be 9000 yards to equal what those courses jones played on.
