@@BenDover-oc7vl trt isn’t that bad lol it’s legit something doctors would give you it’s no where comparable to real roids like tren and other stuff which isn’t even made for human consumption
I came for the lifts, I stayed for the personality. Thank you for everything, Larry. Love to see you feeling good and healthy and making the right choice.
Everybody talks about steroids these days, what are you talking about? People be like, BRO IS DA REALEST BEING TRANSPARENT. He is literally sponsored by a TRT company....
@@Agnes135 Sponsorships come and go, he could have decided to act as if he was never on something he'd just get a different sponsor. But I agree, I think it's more important warning the negatives rather than just being transparent.
JOE Aesthetics can talk lol.. Larry is patient and waits to speak... both these guys gave excellent breakdowns.. super humans in there own right. great information and opinions provided... appreciate this uploads!
@MdoubleHB the more high quality eggs and meat you eat the stronger and healthier you are. Especially if you are northern European. It takes 7 generations to acclimate to a new diet and regional diet. Northern Europeans historically lived on cholesterol rich foods which is why the produce less endogenous cholesterol. Cholesterol is the building block to hormones, skin, bones, and more. I'm not sure why I'm trying to educate you. You seem too far gone tbh
I think Joe has adhd, there’s no ill intention there, my dad does the same thing. Basically your brain just has to get the info out because you feel like you might lose your train of thought
Being able to open up and be willing to talk about this is amazing, they have great information and I'm glad they're not letting the opinions of others stop them from speaking there minds🙏🏼💪🏼
Amazing stuff! All your vids are so well done and very helpful. I was wondering if you could answer a question for me. Have you ever used any of these custom meal plan tools? I got one from Next Level Diet to help me add some muscle and I actually like their plans. Was just wondering if you've heard of or tried any of them yourself. Thank you!
I'm not looking to take gear. Still have an appreciation for these guys and their physiques. As well as their efforts. Also, this stuff is interesting.
Yes, but the more you know about it the less you wanna take the stuff. Unfortunately many users do it the other way around. Just using without knowing what the hell they are doing to themselves.
@MdoubleHB If you think you can just inject steroids and look like them your dead wrong, it takes serious hard work, steroids just allow you to go above the natural limits.
@MdoubleHB if you look at historic as well as scientific data to support that a raw vegan diet ISN’T the only way to be healthy. Why don’t you start first by removing the plastic, heavy metals, and forever chemicals from your blood, and body Then ensure it somehow never enters again I mean it’s not like the entire earth is already polluted and toxic to varying and alarming degrees Blame livestock like lions don’t eat buck. Animals eating other animals is natural. Omnivores are natural. Carnivores are natural, and herbivores are natural. Preaching a 1 solution fits all idea is so stupid Additionally it has been proven plants can feel pain so to speak. What is needed is deceleration of consumption to create a sustainable way forward
To be able to take 2 grams of test and see no estrogen conversion symptoms is impressive in itself alone from what he’s accomplished. Larry might have used test to help reach his strength and body composition goals but there’s no doubt in my mind that he’s genetically gifted to do so.
Obviously he’s genetically gifted. He’s built like a gorilla. Really the elite levels of bodybuilding and powerlifting aren’t determined by genetically gifted body composition, you obviously need that, but it’s mostly determined by their ability to handle extreme doses without side effects. I also don’t get sides. I can take 1 gram per week without ai and the only side effect I get is a softer erection (which alone makes it not worth it).
He's lean, and he never spoke on his injection frequency. He didn't say what other compounds he was taking with that large test dose. He could have been using a gram of masteron for all we know. If he pinned daily, was lean AF, and was taking a DHT compound it is completely possible he didn't have any e2 issues. He's ever said if he had gyno surgery or not either.... I can take 900mg of testosterone and have no issues like nipple sensitivity, water retention, ect. And that is on test alone. When I run primo I can take 1.5g of test and 900mg primo without any estrogen issues, and could probably push the test higher
@@fresh0678not saying anything against you but when people start talking about doing more than a gram of test a week I start to question the potency of their gear. Again nothing against you, everyone reacts differently but I'd say the average person should not take anything close to that much, the side effects would be awful.
Glad that more people of influence in the fitness community are being so candid about their use of PEDs now. This would be a great format for every fitness RU-vidr to follow every once and a while.
This has me realizing that a lot of the people I looked towards for physique goals actually aren’t achievable without the use of PEDs. This is definitely an eye opener because had I not known that, I would’ve naively kept thinking it’s just good diet, hard training and good genetics. It puts into perspective what the natural body can be, and makes me appreciate the progress that I personally have had through the years rather than comparing towards others who don’t really talk about their PED use.
Fitness influencers have unfortunately skewed the impression of a normal physique…just going to gym and eating properly don’t expect to look this way but be content with being naturally strong
It’s a thin line with this transparency though, because it will eventually normalise taking steroids. You’re hard work has been validated by this transparency but others will still want this physique and now they think for sure they have to take roids to get there…
Larry's body soaks in the anabolics with the greatest benefit to side effect ratios you could ever hope for!! He is an outlier in that regard I think. When they say powerlifting/bodybuilding is based on genetics they don't just mean waist size and muscle attachment locations etc. They mean how well you respond to the anabolics. That's why a fair amount of the top competitors are doing more with less especially after they have pushed their natural limits - they can maintain with less. Although I suspect some are lying to try and minimize just how much of their success is from the PEDs. Others with less responsive genetics take 2-5 times as much stuff and they still just don't grow like you would think they should.
Larry do your next video with Derek from MorePlatesMoreDates and let him ask you any question about your PED use with all your past bloodwork panels and cycles given to him ahead of the interview/collab
I love the message that if you want to look great be able to take you shirt off at the beach … you can do this naturally, by eating and training properly. for most people 👍🏼
this is the kind of talkshow i can get in to, informative and relevant to allot of people their situation. i took 2000mg test e once with 500 mg tren e and had zero side effects, its really up to your genetic herritage how it will affect your body.
You boys are the best great video as always, Larry and Joe you guys are just what the industry needs, so much detail and insight on the topic the video also seemed fun aswell and gave off a positive vibe with smiles and laughs as you guys spoke, Keep up the good work guys love your guys channels and content, Love from Australia 🇦🇺
What annoys me is that younger kids keep looking up to all their Insta heros who are geared up and want to look like them and rather than training and being consistent for at least 5 years naturally they get on a cycle from the get go. It seems like everyone just wants a quick fix etc with minimal effort. Try the natural route for a while you might be surprised what you can achieve. Ultimately TRT for a lot of people will make a night and day difference in progress, but just remember once you start you body might be reliant on it forever.
I’m happy that too fitness names are now advocating for better health over better body. Your internal health should be your priority, not muscle/physique size.
Just watching this now, almost 2 years after it was done. Plus-first time I ever watched either of these two. Both Larry and Joe are very likable, but I can't stop thinking that Joe is gone. Makes the whole thing sad. I wish I had watched this before his death ruined everything. Anyways, it is a good video, there's good advice, and it is in a non-preaching form.
Humans are just sacks of chemicals. Somehow we have these special brains and develop consciousness behind all of these chemical reactions. Quite incredible really.
In dealing with diabetics and knowing the range of insulin they take, hearing them say they can take like 16 units of insulin is scary crazy. Especially the fast acting kind. They would have to be literally shoving food in to offset how much that dose would eat your sugar levels. Especially for someone who already makes insulin naturally.
Test base in pure powder form can be taken orally with zero toxicity. There's studies that show it's super beneficial even for liver health, Enhancing liver health. However hrt is a bandaid, not a cure. Most low test symptoms are caused by poor diet, lack of sleep, or heavy metal toxicity.
What studies? Test base in powder taken orally? Anything you take orally taxes your liver.. that’s how the liver works dude try again… how can you enhance your liver health? You have any citations for these “studies”
If you're happy taking your TRT injections, there's no need to change. But the toxicity of oral test is not in the test base but in the donors. Test base has none of that. Yeah anything you take, even aspirin has an effect on your liver. Everything you eat has an effect on your liver. But Oral test base, at least according to studies, is generally non toxic. Some google searches to looks at: - 'Oral Testosterone Coming To America raypeatforum' - 'THERAPEUTIC EFFECTIVENESS OF ORAL TESTOSTERONE the lancet' - 'Oral testosterone + vitamin E may treat NAFLD, NASH, cirrhosis in humans raypeatforum' Jump on the Raypeat forums there's many people on there that share studies regarding health/fitness. @@Douggydrealer
So weird I’m natural, never touched anything yet still have weeks where I feel like super man then weeks where I have all the bad stuff, low libido, bad sweats, grumpy, depression. I don’t think it’s ever meant to be consistent, maybe it’s just fatigue as I’ve been going hard for years now and my diet, recovery and lifestyle could be better, but it’s interesting how consistent trt could possibly manipulate and manage that side of life.
It could be something your body's dealing with, or an inconsistent lifestyle. You may need to get a thorough check up to see if there's anything that you could have, like an on-set of a condition.
