They have no clothes with them because they had to bring a toilet. They can’t possibly have anything to do. They planned to be home in a week. It must be pretty awful up there. Plus they will have to climb into a ship whose problems are not understood by ground control.
@@tanagra2There is always something to do on the ISS. They have been there multiple times in their lives, so they know exactly what to expect. As astronauts, bonus time in space is typically not seen as a negative. Especially when the mission had an open window for potential return (and this is still within that window). Every launch and return from space is dangerous, and as professionals, they know the risk of failure is fatal on even the best of days. Just because you are clearly not cut out for the role, it doesn’t mean that they aren’t.
That's what I'm saying!! Normally, testing is done before any product is put in service and each level is approved as safe. The horse has already left the barn here...
NASA is on the hook for Starliner just as much as Boeing. Don't forget that they favored Boeing over Space X with a larger development amount than Space X
Funny how that all worked out for SpaceX, half the up-front money and the Lion's share of the flights in the end. The 'starting' concept is where the two companies differ. SpaceX started with a new clean sheet of paper, and Boeing took the old Apollo design and 'stretched' it to be bigger.
@@thomasboese3793 - Agreed. I reckon that if SpaceX had used the old Apollo module as a starting-point, they would have made the "new Apollo" ( "Apollo v2.0" ) as great as the Dragon capsule! They probably would have ended up with something very similar to Dragon, I think. SpaceX is run by pros whereas Boeing seems to be run by beancounters. The difference *really* shows in their products over the last decade or so. SpaceX has gone from zero to a world-trusted company with *outstanding* reliable rockets and space modules. Boeing has gone from bad to worse. I'll bet they ask for "just a few billion dollars more" to fix things (and that still won't fix things).
Nah, what's at stake is Boeing's 2/3 of the return to space funding that was spent following the retirement of the Shuttle. Boeing needs time not to fix the spacecraft, but to pay off enough people in Washington to force the Astronauts to ride Starliner.
Did Boeing tell the truth to NASA about the state of Starlighter before the launch? Did Boeing managers have Starliner get bonuses for the launch? Is Boeing going to tell Nassa the truth about Starlighter before decision is made to try and orbit Starlighter? In the case of the 737 Max, Answers to questions like these concerning what bowling was telling the FAA we definitely know! Boeing did not tell the truth and that enable them to get an original certification for the 737 Max.
@@grahammonk8013 I agree with you Graham. The loss of face to Boeing would be enormous if Starliner were to return without the crew. As would be the possible consequences for their program. It makes it a risk worth taking to them. But not to onlookers like us.
Totally a NASA failure for not requiring Boeing to perform several cargo supply missions to the ISS and ensure the integrity of the Starliner capsule before sending a live crew. They could have ironed out the bugs.
The did send a cargo Starliner to ISS. Problem is mostly in the EXPENDABLE service module, which jettisoned, will be destroyed with nothing but data remaining. Clearly an amateur, arm chair, basement engineers posting above.
Middle of a test phase? But the date for the end of the phase keeps changing. The test phase was a week. Now they're pushing past the on station time of 45 days. I'm glad Boeing is paying for this whole fiasco.
For real. If this ship and crew come back it will be yrs before another starliner goes up. Starship might be operational or close by then. And for sure dream chaser will be
Boeing is willing to bet the lives of these two astronauts that they can get that "tin can" back home just to save their own (already useless) reputation. It's corporate greed at it's finest...
All i hear is delay tactics and excuses and more excuses and when every single smart person knows that they are hiding the truth and are afraid to admit it that’s my opinion at least 😅
Pity they didn't show this much caution BEFORE they launched two people into orbit aboard a spacecraft they knew had a serious fault they couldn't explain.
haha this Boeing circus is a real clown show. I'm gonna say a prayer for those two astronauts though. Starliner should have done several more unmanned missions before humans climbed aboard.
@@michaelreid2329 What's wrong with burning wires, software bugs, non-working parachutes, and non-working thrusters? They all sorta worked, sometimes... Who is running Quality Control? A classroom of 4-year-olds?
"Houston. We have a problem" What's that? 'We love it up here and want to stay'. Is that Okay? Nah, You're just chicken. Get your Butt's back here before we really get Mad. But, but .... No buts ... ...
“We’re not stranded, we’re just staying where we’re currently at and really can’t provide an actual timeframe for when we’ll be back. Not stranded!!” Uhhh buddy you’re stranded!
It'd be ok if he had said it with a deep manly chuckle (because, haha, OBVIOUSLY if you have a fucked up vehicle to escape in, you are NOT 'stranded'),* but he blew it. Now Nappi, Nappi would have had us thinking this was the plan all along, and damn, shouldn't we be giving Boeing more money?!. *By this logic, a survivor on a desert island is not stranded either since he can just swim away and drown. 🤡🌍
Meanwhile SpaceX did this with no problems 4 ENTIRE years ago, and has already moved on to bigger projects. Remember when they were supposed to be competitors? The competent people have left Boeing and it's just an embarrassment now.
Perfect, thank you. With Boeing it's always at least two levels worse than they say. Bottom line, when they say they are no closer to figuring out what's wrong than when it launched, they have decided they are not going to be able to find out. On the ground, they always had to take it back to the VAB, they couldn't fix it usually on the pad. So fixing it in space seems unlikely. "Testing" is not fixing. But sure, Suni and Butch can have a light but long tour until the next Dragon, when they can move their seats. Starliner can try to fly home unmanned, like the Russians did with their wonky capsule. I'm waiting for Boeing to declare this flight an "almost total success with 9 out of ten milestones achieved! Let's go!", as with their first disaster flight. And NASA just jumps right in with sharing responsibility. Stich and Nappi must be best friends. An "integrated" NASA and Boeing team sounds like a crisis management team. IMO Starliner is nowhere near human rated. NASA should make them do unmanned attempts until they get it right. Or better yet, give up. Thing's cursed and will never make money.
Right they're like we're not stranded we're just taking our time to get our affairs in order and say goodbye to our families. Then we'll board the deathtrap and head into the atmosphere.... I meant head home in the totally not unsafe Boeing Starliner....🤡🚀🌎🔥😉
"They want to investigate the helium leak while they can", but the leak was already there before takeoff, right ? Didn't they investigate it before takeoff already ??! And what do they mean when they say that they can extend certification "if needed" ? What's the point of a certification if you can extend it at will ?
1 helium leak was present on the launch pad, while 4 more only appeared on orbit, possibly caused by the high vibrations or g-load during launch, or some other aspect of the accent.
It's interesting how NASA & Boeing are starting to find new rationale for extending the mission. Now they talk about testing components beyond the 45-day limit, astronauts being available to assist with station operations, etc. Because after 3 weeks of endlessly analyzing endless data, they still don't understand why those systems are failing. They're waiting for that box on the flowchart that says "And then a MIRACLE happens!".
You have no idea what you're talking about, their delaying and doing additional testing because NASA and Boeing disagree on what the data is saying. If they agreed then they would've made the decision by now.
This flight should never have lifted off, they are not ready for human space flight. I hope they don't melt the astronauts or have them burn in and crater.
I say send up a Dragon capsule or a Russian capsule, and bring the astronauts back. There is something terribly wrong to keep delaying the flight back home, it's obvious they dont trust it, they can test forever, but if it isn't ready to come back it never will be. It was a huge mistake sending the craft up with astronauts in the first place it definitely wasn't ready.
That was a political statement from Ariane Space. They have been wrong footed, choosing not to develop reusability. Ariane Space, is no longer competitive for commercial customers, so will rely on high value ESA and European government payloads where a 20th century model (very low cadence) is still viable.
There is no reason to have a crew on it coming back because they can work out work out if it's going to be any good if it comes with no one. They say they have plenty of redundant for you built in, but in one occasion starliner wasted all its fuel because the automatic computer system through a wobbly, even if there's the tiniest possibility of failure the best thing to do is come back on a now proven system!
Now we see the results of "launch at all costs" to save the Boeing company any, can we say embarrasment. Screw the crew I guess. Wasn't this test flight to get Starliner human crew rated certification? Surely they will not certifiy Starliner after this, will they?
Do they really think we believe that debugging a spacecraft in space is "safe and effective"? The delays mean the situation is more dire than we're being told.
Nasa......we have a problem.....and it's Boeing, Boeing, gone. I'd be extremely worried considering a window popped out of the second unit while in transit to the launch vehicle......ooops.
Oh yeah... hey everyone things are fine. Tge starliner just hasn't worked properly since before it left the pad, and has gotten worse as it has gone on. We are doing ground test, because we have no idea what we can actually expect in space. Nobody is "stranded" they are just having an unscheduled quarantine. We are still collecting data... It's like listening to Ash from Alien. We are still collating...
I am not sure as a spectator, that I agree with how there spinning this story. Last time I checked getting your spacecraft human rated was a very strict process.Testing whats wrong with the spacecraft after people are on it seems a little carless to me. Other groups like Space X etc... would have been draw and quatered for something like this. I wish everyone Luck on it and our astronauts return safely. Good vid. 🙄
How many extra resupply runs will be required o make up for all the extra consumables the extra passengers are using I wonder. If they haven't figured out what is wrong by now they are waiting either for the helium to fall below the minimum or an emergency forces the return via starliner thus taking the decision out of NASA&Boeings hands and if anything goes wrong it's not their fault (as ar as I can see this has to be going through the minds of managers at both companies as a get out of jail free card) Also since both the astronauts are certainly no spring chickens what effect is all this extended space time going to have on their bones? I suspect that if they do get back home safely there will be ongoing health issues that will take sometime to recover from, certainly longer than had they only been there for the planned stay. TBH the longer this goes on the more ths goes on the more worried I am and the more convinced both NASA and moreso boeing are hiding things.
Starliner's crew are stuck at ISS. They will need to be rescued with a Dragon capsule. Starline will never fly again. Anyone who says different is full of crap.
Translation: We're trying to save Boeing's stockprice and those selfish pricks in the crew safety department keep banging on about little things like "human lives".
So NAS-ING is taking this time to understand how this thing they put two humans in to and blasted them off in to space works? After 20 years and$ 53,000,000,000.00 spent, shouldn't they know that?
SpaceX started with a brand-new clean sheet of paper... Boeing started with an Apollo capsule design and 'stretched' it, as they did to the 737 family... Since the SpaceX design was brand new, it 'had' to be tested many, many times to find every weak link... With an old 'time tested' design, Boeing built it and flew it with very little testing... Round wheels are always round, so with a sorta new design, what is there to test? I just know it's going to roll...
@@thomasboese3793 the opposite is actually true. SpaceX started with Dragon 1 and adapted it for crewed launches, while Boeing started from scratch and didn't have an existing design or much experience to draw from. While Boeing (just like SpaceX) was able to benefit from research done for the Apollo and Shuttle programs, Starliner is not even close to "a stretched Apollo capsule". The other major difference is that SpaceX built and designed their own Draco and SuperDraco thruster, while Boeing uses much more subcontractors, for example sourcing thrusters from Aerojet-Rocketdyne
And everyone in Congress goes nuts, they can no longer tell their people how much money they brought into the State they're from. See? I keep jobs here!
Because they still haven't figured out the problem with the thrusters issue from the first uncrewed flight of Starliner. They literally have all those years to figure out why the thrusters failed in the uncrewed launch and years later they basically said "we don't know" and just balled it with a crew without knowing the cause and now this happened
The leaks are in a place the crew can't get to or fix them. But without parts on the ground to inspect, the engineers have no idea of the "Who, What, Why, Where, When, and How" parts failed. it's going to be a very long mission.
Right now they do a software fix. They wrote new software that can handle different emergency situations with thrusters during undocking and re-entry. Then they will test it on the ground with a real life capsule on the ground. Then they'll upload it and test it while the capsule is still docked. If everything goes well. Else there's more 'testing' to be done. But else they'll undock and return it to earth.
@rudivandoornegat2371 Agree with what you say...but after the debacle of the 1st demo mission and realized the software on board was absolute pants....it beggars belief that they did not replace the whole code root and branch...again cutting costs they decided to only screw with the mission timing function which was easily identified. This sounds like a thrust chamber under pressure glitch...maybe from the leaking they knew about before launch Okay it got worse and presumably affected the pressure in the fuel system but this is rocket science they obviously did not run worse case scenarios where the weakness should have presented itself on the ground. Boeing had go fever...NASA should be ashamed of themselves for going along with it When they finally decide to deorbit...bet there are some squeaky bums in mission control for sure
Currently Boeing are into certification of Starliner for human flight. How would a return by Dragon vs Starliner delay this process and is this the reason driving Boeings attempts to keep the crew on board for return? I get that the capsule itself appears safe BUT that is not going to save them and the ongoing delays for more and more testing only confirms that Boeing don't have the answer and know they don't! Flying with fingers crossed is not good enough when crew are at risk even if the crew are "ok?" with it.
It's so obvious that they needed another unscrewed test flight, and do not certify until everything went perfectly. "It's not in our budget" can never be the excuse and Boeing should be on the hook to pay that price for failing their end of the bargain, especially when they're spending much more money on stock buybacks.
extending past the 45-day mission cap will compound the uncertainty, each delay already is degrading certainty everything will work normally on return, but going beyond the cap would accelerate that loss of confidence, so that the decision for return will be based more on hope and prayer than engineering.
Compare the control systems between the Starliner and the Dragon....Dragon has Touch Screen Controls, where the Starliner has the old switches and buttons. Dino-Tech can have it's advantages, but in Space and Science development, not so much.
StrandedLiner, TrashLiner, DeathLiner, JunkLiner, LeakyLiner, MajorTomLiner / everyone on earth will be in danger of falling space junk when NASA tries to bring it home.
The Starliner is not stranded in space. It is just a staycation in space participating in leisure activities with a welcome relief to do more testing and troubleshooting. It is a normal systematic approach to problem-solving that is often used to find and correct issues with complex machines, electronics, computers and software systems. Not a problem as far as NASA is concerned. LOL!!!
At Boeing, money talks and safety (nonsense) walks! If you want Boeing to order the Starliner home soon, promise the Boeing managers of the Starliner program a big bonus! As the 737 Max program demonstrated, Boeing management will put any number of lives at risk for a big bonus! If there’s any objection within Boeing, just promise the Boeing CEO another 45% pay raise as soon as the star liner tries to come home.
I think I would refuse to return on Starliner, I mean what are NASA going to do kick me off the ISS or send a Dragon lol The more NASA keep saying its safe the more worried the Astronauts should be!!!! NASA is playing political roulette again with the astronauts life's!!
interesting but starliner seems like a minor component of the space program. HLS should be about ready to test uncrewed landings... is space bucket even allowed to speak negatively about SpaceX? i know nsf and scott Manley can't. 🙄
I'm wondering about food/oxygen supplies. Starliner was already supposed to be gone, so keeping two extra people alive is eating (literally) into the supplies intended for the ISS crew.
"Butch and Suni are not stranded in space, they are just... taking an extra long vacation and don't ever want to come back... ya that's it."- Boeing exec
Translation: What else shook loose that we don't know about? Sounds like they are doing a complete systems and hardware checkout of everything. Makes me wonder about all the delays with no planned departure date.
It's really hard not to be critical about Boeing in regard to the Starliner. Why are they testing the heck out of this capsule after they put two astronauts aboard the ISS with it? That should have been done on the ground. They should have by now returned the astronauts via SpaceX and the Starliner by automated means. It obviously has serious problems.
