Boethiah's Hidden Motive - Elder Scrolls Lore 

Honestly drew really draws me in. I love that in the podcasts, he’s all chilling in the background while Michael and Scott lead the conversation, then he just drops knowledge bombs.

@@XenoDogg you could say he "DREW" you in? lol

It isn’t theory The Chimmer is Boethiahs love song to Lorkhaj. I hope they do Mephala or Azura next.

Well, of course! Why do you think Drew's favorite god in the Elder Scrolls is Y'ffre? Y'know, *The Spinner* himself? He who teaches his flock, and those with ears and the will to listen, that nothing nourishes the soul like a good story, and that myth makes reality? Makes absolute sense.

Definitely was not a "pro gamer move"

You could say it was pretty, heartless.

I like to think they have forgiven him by now. They are certainly set on defending mortals against the daedra.

I like this theory! Here, have a cookie!

Fascinating

This theory is very good!

Yeah, it would also be cool to see the Anuic races band together in the face of Chaos and Instability with their Order and Stability. I mean, if the Thalmor could ever come to terms with the Redguards after the Great War and admit they were wrong about attacking them, then that would have 2 Anuic races, one Man and one Mer, and then toss in the Khajit, who seem to be a bit in the middle (although they lean more Padomaic) and the Bosmer, who are mostly Anuic but share a few small Padomaic features.

It gives a new meaning to the name "Ebonheart" Pact, huh? Especially if "Ebonheart" is also a metaphorical allusion to the Heart of Lorkhan.

Who are you, you who are so wise in the ways of daedric waifus?

Dunmer colonial marines: "...when it's Boethian it doesn't matter..."

ironically enough Skyrim is the first game where Boethia chooses to depict themselves as female. they always appeared male in the previous games.

@@windebiesteultima3317 In Daggerfall, she's mostly resembled in a feminine body.

Ah Azura. That Daedric Prince who embodies the 3 things in the world, Night skies, Cuddling under said night sky and Essential Mommy GF since Morrowind

Fudge Muppet is best asrm videos ever

@@BonnePirate *Drew

I kind of feel bad for people who do all of that, because I'm someone who just clicks on a video. Puts my phone on the counter and listen to it while I go about my business. I never watch a second of the actual video.

​@@mgtowdadRU-vidSucksCoxks Don't. Creator types tend to know and appreciate that people enjoy their stuff in all types of ways. They know for example, that someone telling them they fall asleep to their videos isn't insulting them and calling them boring lol. It's an appreciative compliment letting the particular person or people they're addressing know that they are responsible for giving them a sense of ease, peace, and calm. People who make art know that once they put that art into the world, it's up to every individual person to behold, and interpret that art however they will. And think about why you'd want to make something for a second. You'd want to make it because you enjoy making it, you're doing it for you. Why make RU-vid videos with gorgeous, original visuals (that not all people are going to see, notice, fully appreciate, etc)? Because you'll appreciate what you made, you'll be proud of getting it just how you wanted it! You know the beauty of your work, and you see the value in it. Anybody else stopping and letting you know that they appreciated it too is an absolute bonus. So go forth and appreciate your favorite things however you will 🧡

Well, the mortals of Mundus are supposed to become gods by struggle, by enduring the Psijic Endeavor and achieving CHIM, not by tampering with the Heart of Lorkhan and cheating their way to divinity. (And because they cheated and earned nothing, the Tribunal's powers, not being their own, faded and waned and needed to be renewed periodically. Theirs was a stolen and temporary divinity, not the one that could have been their by right as designed by Lorkhan and taught by Boethiah.) Even though Boethiah didn't step at that moment, Azura sure did. I'm sure Boethiah was in full agreement, too, as Azura's judgment only gave the Dunmer something else to suffer and overcome.

@@HickoryDickory86 Boethia is the Prince of Plots, she does not care about "cheating" and there are no rules in the Psijic Endeavor. The Tribunal went further in the Pisjic Endeavor than anyone else even if they did not fully succeed in it. I'm sure Boethia didn't mind Azura's vain punishment, as it was just another obstacle to overcome, just another test on the path to divinity, a test that the Tribunal ultimately failed.

If only it could be a reflection of a dark, beating doom drum. What might one name something like that? The Dark Pump Deal?

No, Imperials (Shezarr), Nords (Kyne/Kynareth), and Bretons (Julianos) are very Padomaic and that's how the Empire is a Padomaic faction.

Yeah, being Padomaic in nature means that even if on the same side, they're all too chaotic and dark to ever last long, whereas the Anuic Races could arguably last longer as they are more Orderly and more cohesive by nature

@@thalmoragent9344 I know I'm tempting fate by talking ES theology with "Thalmor Agent", but I find it funny that one reason you could point to Padomaic races fighting so frequently is because of their inherently chaotic nature - but the reason Anuic races cause such mass destruction when they fight is because every Anuic faith is so assured of THEIR particular dogma and morality.

There's that Allinall video where there were three guys talking in a tavern.

@@adriansmith2639 Yeah, I guess the Dogma of every race is there, but the Anuic ones seem to be very passionate in their Morality as you said, and it leads to a very resilient, absolute determination. Granted the same has been true with a few of the Padomaic ones as well, but I guess that's the Irony of it all, they're both very intwined, as much as they are different and opposed

@@mmyr8ado.360 Yeah, it was Fudgemuppet, one was a Bosmer, a Daedra and a Dunmer if I recall.

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@@ColonelMetus no u

@@tov5392 damn he got me

You do realize Skyrim is not the only game in the series, right?

@@Arock_tws 💯

Yeah, they seem to hate the Anuic aspects of them, although still, the Orderly part of the Mundus is still fundamental, even if the "Good" Daedra don't like them

I've never heard that before, but damn would THAT be one helluva twist lmao.

I doubt Trinimac would've liked the idea of taking Lorkhan's place, and considering he embodies a seperate sphere, well... I don't even think he'd be eligible for that spot. Plus, if we go by the Elven Pantheon, it would only ever be 8 Divines, since they'd never acknowledge Lorkhan, and so if Trinimac wanted to take his place, it would still be 8, because no one would be in Trinimac's old spot anymore...

We all know Boethia heard his name and thought "mmmm chili mac" and ate him... What came out was Malacath

@@thalmoragent9344 No lol.

Old but if auriel/akatosh is time then lorkhan/shezzar is space. Space is finite(god of mortality which is finite), it has limits(lorkhan is god of limitation), and is intrinsic to time to create reality.

@@tlaloqq I agree. The relationship between Lorkhan and Auriel (space and time) is what makes the aurbis able to solidify and evolve through experience. This seems to affect even the aedra in some degree. It even makes Boethiah's love for Lorkhan more plausible, because she is the daedra of evolution by hardship. Lorkhan provides the ground or plance for all the tribulations.

That was awesome to read, thank you!

Well said

Mankar was an Aldmer nationalist who disliked the Aedra for not liberating them from the colonial domination of Man, so he looked towards Mehrunes Dagon, the son of Meridia and grandson of the Aedric Elven god Magnus, for help in overthrowing the human Empire and destroying the Lorkanic prison that is Mundus. Moreover, the Aedra and Daedra are not exclusively Anuic or Padomaic. They’re both half, as the Et’Ada are the children of Anu and Padomay. What constitutes as Anuic and Padomaic is based entirely on ideology. One can be Anuic and chaotic. Another can be Padomaic and ordered. One can support chaos and statis, while another can support change and order. While the rest have ideological views that are a mix of more. Morality is also another variable factor that has no basis on Anu and Padomay. These are entirely independent philosophical concepts. They may also be relative. One may support order here and chaos there, or support certain ideologies at different moments in time. Most of every Aedra and Daedra constitute their own race. For instance. Azura is a Twilight goddess, who created the Twilight race as her servant offsprings. Mephala is a Spiderkith goddess, who created the Spiderkith race for the same purpose. Likewise, Shor created Nords to serve his will. All gods and goddesses have material interests that often get into conflict with their relatives. The Aedra and Daedra may seem as incomprehensible beings to the mind of the ignorant, but the gods are quite simple and predictable. They’re not as complex as they like to portray themselves as. They are as deep as a snobby noble or a power-hungry king. They care about themselves, their power and their influence, and that is why the Dwemer are the greatest race.

A being who has never created anything does not know sacrifice. All Boethiah and the other Daedra can do is cling on to the world the Aedra created and yet they still mock it. Dremora look like mortals because the Daedra actually can't create anything without sacrifice, since they never will, they simply "take inspiration" or steal from Aedric or man-made creations. Daedra are like the people who sit around being dependent on others but, still feel the need to tell the others how to live.

@@spider-spectre I agree. There is not much even I can do to improve on the mortal design. They are already so chaotic that they only need a slight push in either direction to influence them. So fun tormenting them. Make the sane believe they are insane and the insane believe they are sane. Even the mortals can create they give birth to new mortals all the time.

Yeah, and Auriel with wanting to maintain Order and being responsible for the flow of time itself as his Polar opposite is cool too. *Auriel and Lorkhan* *Order and Chaos* *Time and Space* *Anui-El's greatest light* *Sithis' deepest darkness.* Auriel's my favorite, so it seems you and I are also opposites... 👀

@@thalmoragent9344 Fire Nation soldier.

Damn, Boethia taught him the Psyjic Endeavor, and now he's flexing on her instead 😅

Boethia was the anticipation of Drew

...who became Malacath, yes

And his followers became orcs

Boethiah was into Vore and she not only skinned trinimac alive and wore his skin and stole his axe, but also she proceeded to humiliate him so hard that he calls til this day what we are exaggerating with the details.

@@69inetails allegedly after smearing themselves with Boethia's excrement

Malacath would argue that its metaphorical but everyone assumes the shitting is literal

It's cause of the ages of living under the Empire's rule, their pantheon has been heavily influenced, in modern times not many simple citizens believe all this Auriel-Lorkhan stuff and drive by it, heck the people of skyrim thought dragons were just kids' tales before they returned, so that deeper lore fades with time, at this point in time it's just limited to bigger powers pulling strings and greater schemes behind the scenes, like Thalmor and like in the video Boethiah.

@@kingclint2382 The Nords should be worshipping Kyne because she created them whereas the Imperials should be worshipping Shezarr because he created them out of nothing.

That's long and I like it

Interesting, although to be fair: It's odd how Boethia (and others like Mankar Cameron) seem to greatly dislike the Aedra. They call them weak for having to hide behind statues, but there's a reason their power is so limited. They literally poured much of their power into creating Mundus. She fought and slashed at Magnus' Eye because she thought he was cowardly for wanting to leave, yet she herself didn't contribute anything to Mundus, and she also shuns Aka (whichever time God aspect you wanna go for) for going mad and being taken apart by the sheer undertaking of handling Mundus, but like... he's literally the God of Time, he's the reason she and the other Et'Ada could even take shape and manifest themselves, and understand their nature's and limitations. I mean, personally, it's all fun and games till some Aedra find a way to leave Mundus and screws up the whole Realm. Then all of a sudden, Boethia wouldn't be laughing. Just saying, I appreciate her whole "wake up and choose violence for what you want", but as Trinimac/Malacath indicates, you don't have to be a total dick to all others to be strong and enduring. Trinimac was OP, took down Lorkhan, and fought Boethia and was murked when Mephala showed up, so it's not like his ability as a powerful Et'Ada was changed. He's still a God, one that was infused with the Padomaic waters in Oblivion after being taken from Aetherius. So while he may have been altered in appearance and all, he's still fundamentally the same deep down, and his sphere overlaps much of the same principles. Even Boethia couldn't change him in his entirely. And Boethia herself isn't above change either. In fact, given her nature, she'd be more liable to change if anything happened to her, more than the Anuic Trinimac that has retained much of his former self, even as he was cast into Oblivion.

Lol, story in TES6. Bethesda ran out of kirkbride material about 5% of the way through skyrim. Tes6 is just going to be a generic tolkien rip off.

The Zero Stone itself is the Convention.

"Even an elf can be born with the heart of a Nord." Guess it's actually the Nords who are born with the heart of a mer. Which is in a way fitting, cause I always felt they are kinda a middle ground of Orc and an opposite to Dark elves.

That’s an interesting theory, but Dark Elves were created by Azura to symbolise the Chimer’s betrayal of the Good Daedra in favour of the Tribunal - the Anticipations. Therefore, the Dunmer race, with their red eyes and blue skin - colours which Azura considered rebellious against the Good Daedra’s rule - are actually the children of themselves; of their own kin who ascended to godhood. It’s funny, Dark Elves are, essentially, an extension of Chimer elves who succeeded where the Dwemer failed. Technically, after the events of ES3: Morrowind, Azura should have reverted the Dunmer back into the Chimer, as the Tribunal gods were removed from Morrowind and their worship replaced with the worship of the Good Daedra - the Reclamations. Not sure why Bethesda didn’t go through with it. So as to Dark Elves being the new Nords: I highly doubt it. Even when they worshipped the Good Daedra or themselves, the Elves of Morrowind constantly warred with the Nords of Skyrim, who are the *true* sons and daughters of Lorkhan. In fact, “Lorkhan” isn’t even his real name. His real name is Shor, especially since his shield-thane, Tsun, calls him as such. “Lorkhan” is just the name the Aldmer gave so they didn’t have to utter Shor’s real name. But it seems that Aldmer culture is quite influential, as even the gods and lifeforms of Oblivion use Elven terms like “Lorkhan” or “Daedra”. Strange. In any case, Nords clearly dislike Dark Elves for many reasons: social, economic, political, cultural and especially religious. Nords have always and will always be the descendants of Shor. In the early centuries of the Dawn Era, the Wandering Ehlnofey took Shor’s side in creation. He transformed the Wanderers, remaking them in his image, until they became his mortal offsprings. This was the birth of the Nords. A glorious race, shaped in Shor’s face and form. They were made to bring glory to their lord, and be rewarded with an eternity of paradise in his world of Sovngarde. Kyne, then the wife of Shor, carried the Nords upon her winds from the outskirts of Mundus onto the peak of the Throat of the World, on the supercontinent of Aldmeris. Their purpose was to colonise Nirn and return it to Shor’s domain. A legendary war occurred between the Nords and the Aldmer which broke Aldmeris into the many continents that we know of today. The Nords landed on Atmora, while the Elves landed what they still called Aldmeris, before sailing towards the Summerset Isles, while Tamriel - the heart of Old Aldmeris - and the Heartland (Cyrodiil) - the soul of Old Aldmeris - was uninhabited by Mer for a time too long, before the Aldmer set sail to retake Tamriel, where they would eventually become the various Tamrielic Elven races such as the Ayleids and Falmer, from the Nedic tribes which called the continent home. The Heartland is where the Ayleids, also called the Rumer (Star Elves) built the White-Gold Tower in honour of Auriel’s white-gold Draconic body. The rest is known history. Nords are the children of Shor, not Elves. Boethiah may have loved Shor, and Boethiah may have created the Chimer to be a race of Shor-loving Elves. But Shor had no love for Boethiah. He loved Kyne, and took her handmaiden Mara as his concubine. Only one thing remains true: Elves are the natives of Planet Nirn, a once prison that fell under Auriel’s control, and Nords are extraterrestrial, alien invaders sent by Kyne to colonise Nirn for Shor, not Lorkhan, but Shor.

@@muslimcrusader5987 Umh... we are calling my aunt a rock, because she can not fly.

@@insaincaldo I’m sorry, I couldn’t quite get that.

​@@muslimcrusader5987 If you define a rock by inability to fly, you might conclude my old aunt is also a rock. We are not theory crafting..

Yes, but Boethia would change the definition of each word just to spite Drew.

I hate this. Take my upvote!

Lmao, Bae-thiah and Shezarr-ty.

Lmao, Nords are cousins to the Imperials because their ancestors, the Atmorans interbred with the Imperials ancestors, the Nedes in Skyrim to produce the Nords while the Nedes interbred with the Atmorans in Cyrodiil to produce the Imperials.

No, Nords are the children of Kyne, she created them with her breath at the Throat of the World in Skyrim while Imperials are the children of Shezarr/Lorkhan, he created them out of nothing in Cyrodiil and these two deities are siblings so it makes sense.

Boethiah is Shezarr's/Lorkhan's lover and Kynareth is Boethiah's sister in-law.

Azura just wants you to love her and yourself but mostly her. She's like a super powerful yandere as while with you she all lovey dovey but if you turn away she can be crazy psycho. Why would she support the chimer and make them the dunmer? Because she's the softest face of the three good deadra which makes her popular in worship and that literally her goal of feeding her vanity.

BBecause the Nords can be a bunch of _ , sometimes.

@@LandStrider23 Lol

@@muslimcrusader5987 The Nords are not the children of Lorkhan. The Imperials are the children of Lorkhan aka Shezarr, he created them out of nothing in Cyrodiil, the Nords are the children of Kynareth, Shezarr's sister and the Nords call themselves the sons and daughters of Kyne, she created them at the top of the Throat of the World with her breath.

Please daniel this is your 15th dunmer playthrough this week

No

It's still "voice", it needs to be a sound to manifest and propagate, the thoughts as in your understanding of thu'um might influence it's power and effects (like when paarthurnax or black book grants you different understanding you get new effects) but it's still tonal magic.

Nope, it's established that the Thu'um is a type of tonal manipulation, in which the vibrations themselves manipulate the music of reality. You gotta make some sound to make it work. Even ignoring that, Wulfarth was the most powerful mortal user of the Thu'um, so much that he could not talk or even whisper without causing incredible damage. He instead communicated using sign language and writing.

I’m confused

Chaos is necessary

Without chaos would you exist?