Not yet. He can still redeem himself by coming clean. His career may end and he will definitely serve jail time, but his friends will know. If he tells them the truth, if he tells everyone the truth, they will forgive him. That will be what separates him from Secretariat.
Sadness is part of life. Sometimes, to understand a great happiness it helps to understand a great sadness. When you're sad, you're at your lowest. Now you can say that this low will not stop you from going forward. That the other low points will hit less and be simple dips on the road back to happiness.
One time, after living with my abusive dad for years, I got so crazy fucked up, I took a knife, went into my parents room while they were asleep, and started crying. I didn't do anything that night. So now, when something"bad" happens, like getting bad grades, or loosing someone, well I just think back to that moment, and how I was able to move on from that and be happy again. So maybe, maybe that means I can surpass anything. I dunno. That's what I do when I get sad.
Yeah, as someone who grew up in a very chaotic household, I didn't dislike my parents but school was a refreshing break of pace and a more stable thing for me, and I can't imagine how much more that would have been if I grew up in a house like Bojack's with his parents.
It gets sadder when you think about, knowing Bojack's parents, they probably straight up told him that his hero and role model cheated and then killed himself
@@ChuckySkip how is that cheating though, it doesn't give U an advantage in the race, only If you bet last place in you it would be fraud, but Not cheating
I'm a grown ass man and my mind was blown the first time my fiancee told me "It's okay to be sad." I had just lost a good job I thought I had in the bag and she gave me a hug and let me cry it out for as long as I needed. Anyone else previous in my life would've just told me to suck it up and move on. She made me feel comfortable with that middle step of getting it all out and THEN moving on with my life.
I love how Secretariat’s speech can be taken two different ways: On one hand, it represents moving forward, no matter the cost. It’s a stoic and tough attitude. Just push past life’s problems, and you’ll get out okay. On the other hand, it represents failure to accept the past. You don’t acknowledge it, you just run past it. And sometimes that means leaving people behind, even those who want to help you.
That's why I think balance is very important you don't wanna be so miserable stuck in the past but you also don't want to completely ignore it as well .
I've been listening to Think about me by Calenraps for a couple years now and i knew that was John Krasinski's voice but i just FINALLY FOUND WHERE THE SAMPLE COMES FROM. Anyway, im fucking psyched i finally found it and have confirmation that it is John
This explains so much about how screwed up BoJack is. Secretariat was the closest thing he had to a positive role model, and right after telling him the importance of battling through depression he let it overcome him. This probably scrambled what little moral compass young BoJack had.
The Spiel wasn't about battling depression. It was about running from your problems. Secretariat is a lot like Bojack, and their go to move is to run as fast as they can from their problems. But things finally caught up with him. In the end, Secretariat couldn't outrun his problems forever. Or maybe his suicide is his final act of running away.
lakobause I know how bojack feels to me my positive role model was hunter s Thompson a famous journalist who inspired me to become a journalist like him I have almost all of his books and movies about and watched almost all of his interviews
I just realized that kid BoJack asking Secretariat if he gets his joke is exactly like BoJack as an adult asking his audience if they got his jokes when he was bombing his stand up and Herb advised him not to do that anymore.
It'll be all the more difficult when Bojack actually does kill himself. The only question is whether no one be there to stop him, or will there "Be plenty of people around when he kills himself."
+Jacob Hewett I think he did, thats why he is pushing himself to restart his career. The who show is about a deeply flawed man who is finally getting up to push forawrd
+Denzel Nanor GET IT?! Because Bojack is a horse, and Secretariat is a horse. And they both have "horse face". Because they are sad. And they are horses. GET IT?!
The saddest thing about this scene is that Secretariat expresses this philosophy with such steadfast conviction. But when the time came where he faced his greatest moment of people holding him back, dragging him through the dirt of his past...he couldn't follow his own advice.
+Eddy Navarro I'm not entirely sure what to tell you...watch this clip and then watch the final scene of the season 3 finale. Running in the season 3 moment is different - instead of away from something (e.g. the escape from LA, the bender with Sarah Lynn), Bojack witnesses running in its purest form, and that's with purpose beyond selfishness and closer to something akin to destiny. I'm projecting here, and so is Bojack, and ultimately, I'm still trying to figure it out. But the OP is right - a whole new meaning after the third season finale. It's not yet defined for me, but it's still striking.
I really need to watch this show all over. Its been months since I lost watched any bojack and I binged this viewing of s3. I didnt piece this scene an the end of s3 together till after i watched this clip. I cant wait for s4. It is crazy how a cartoon can make you rethink life. Secretariat is one of my fav irl horses of all time, even tho im not into horse racing. An to see that scene when i did. I kinda teared up. It was depressing to know how he passed irl, but to see that scene was a bit devastating.
I know a lot of people talk about the show being extrapolated from the "Why the long face" or "A horse walks into a bar" jokes, but I've never seen anyone mention "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink". There's a lot of... negative imagery between horses and water in this show.
If you think about ti, aside from being sleep drinking water is the only moment horses are really "exposed" to their environment, weak against other predators
That's one reason I love this show: you will roll your eyes at BJ's goofyness one minute, laugh so hard you get out of breath the next, and the next they kick you square in the balls. There is depth here. There is real shit. One of the best written characters on TV. Ever.
Eric Rowland "It's about real shit," is EXACTLY how I've described the show to friends. Wrapped in the package of stoner animated comedy, Bojack just nails truth after truth.
Eric Rowland The best line ever written for Bojack so far is this one. Bojack: My point is, I don't understand how people live. It's amazing to me that people wake up every morning and say "Yeah, another day lets do it" how do people do it? I don't know how.
It doesn't surprise me that it didn't work out for Secretariat. I had a really miserable experience after college (graduated during a recession, had a horrible break-up, depression, moving back in with parents, the whole nine yards) and pushed myself through it by pouring myself into work. No friends, no romance, just moving forward. Pushing all my negative feelings away. I was going to make it or break. Then I finally got my first steady paycheck and my own apartment. Five long years but I did it. Everything I wanted. And I spent my first weekend just crying. All I did was push those feelings of failure, rejection, and misery aside. I didn't acknowledge any of it. I told myself I was fine. I wasn't fine. It's good to know you can keep running. But you have to stop and catch your breath every now and again.
I had a very similar experience, graduating a few years ago in the recession, having to move back in with my parents who live in the middle of nowhere, getting a terrible, abusive job at a big box store (you can't treat the people who work at these places kindly enough, btw), barely making enough money to pay my student loans let alone get an apartment or have a life. Then finally, after a while of that and applying like hell virtually everywhere, I finally landed a good, decent-paying job in my field - on the other side of the country. I "made it", but it was by far the worst anxiety and depression I ever had. I lived close to the ocean, and constantly thought about how I'd bring my towel and book to the beach so people would think it was an accident when I drown myself. Tony Hale (Buster Bluth) has a good interview on 'speakeasy' with Paul F Tompkins (Mr. Peanutbutter) where he talks about this post-success depression. I think part of it is indeed sort of staving off how miserable you really are, but part is also as Tony describes - placing all your hopes into this one event in your life, and then when it finally comes and you still feel the same, it's all the more crushing.
I'm always so surprised at how many people don't know that Secretariat was a real horse. Of course, he didn't appear on talk shows giving younger horses life pro tips and he wasn't banned for life for cheating and he didn't commit suicide, but he was an amazing racer who broke records and he was also a beautiful shade of red.
The weak breeze whispers nothing The water screams sublime His feet shift, teeter-totter Deep breath, stand back, it’s time Toes untouch the overpass Soon he’s water bound Eyes locked shut but peek to see The view from halfway down A little wind, a summer sun A river rich and regal A flood of fond endorphins Brings a calm that knows no equal You’re flying now You see things much more clear than from the ground It’s all okay, it would be Were you not now halfway down Thrash to break from gravity What now could slow the drop All I’d give for toes to touch The safety back at top But this is it, the deed is done Silence drowns the sound Before I leaped I should’ve seen The view from halfway down I really should’ve thought about The view from halfway down I wish I could’ve known about The view from halfway down
yeah! and when secretariat said "don't stop running" it also connects to the song "don't stop dancing." i noticed that throughout the show a common theme is, like don't stop until you drop (or until the curtain calls) i think someone else could explain this better lol...
@@alexverdana2435 yeah, this whole theme of never stopping also comes up with Beatrice and her parents with the time's arrow sentiment, "Time's arrow neither stands still nor reverses. It merely marches forward."
I wonder two things about this scene, both which really get to me. 1. Was his radio on when his car was parked? Which could mean he heard what the radio commentators were saying about him. 2. No one stopped him from jumping. Regardless of whether he was Secretariat or not, someone on the bridge was about to commit suicide. There are cars honking and traffic is backed up, so they know something is up. What really gets to me is the fact that he takes a breath and it's like he realizes that what the radio is saying is true and the fact that no one came out to stop him from jumping.
Rolando Martinez this is 3 years late but let me just say this. Sometimes people don’t think you are gonna kill yourself when you’re standing off of a bridge looking down. Other times people don’t care or think someone else will try to help you. This is known as the bystander effect; the more bystanders there are, the less likely people will help you because of the diffusion of responsibility. I mean I’m a cynical person. I think people just don’t care really if they were to see someone take their own life. They’d rather videotape it for views and clicks
This is similar to "Dont stop dancing." Which makes me think that Bojack internalized this advise and evolved it into what he eventually told Sarah Lynn. Don't stop running, all that matters is what's ahead Which was Secretariat's suicide Don't stop dancing until the curtains fall The curtains also represent death
The curtains were always meant to allude to death as well because when Gina sings the song the last verse is "Nothing's certain but the curtain" Before abruptly ending.
SPOILER ALERT I just finished seasons 1 and 2 2 was just...damn Bojack can't get a break he lost both of his friends and then....damn i thought he was gonna commit suicide too but i guess that was his break gettinh his mooch of a friend back... SPOILER ALERT
That's why I love this show . It's easy to assume from the trailers that it'll be another dumb show . Then you watch it and discover that this is a show with substance and real meaning .Hope season 3 will not disappoint ! 😁
a lot of people in the comments of this video are talking about how Bojack didn't hear what Secretariat was saying, but that's actually not the truth, although it may seem that way. It was revealed by the creators of the show that in the scene at the beginning of season 2 where Bojack is watching this interview air and his parents start fighting, him moving closer to the TV and turning the volume up was meant to show that Bojack drowned out the sound of his parents and was intently focused on what secretariat was saying, internalizing Secretariat's advice. Bojack goes on in life to continually use this advice and run from his problems, trying to forget his past. I remember seeing Raphael Bob-Waksberg confirm this somewhere but am having trouble finding it now, will update if i do.
Secretariat probably felt this before dying but being in Bojack's dream, this poem is all about Bojack (And it's actually one of the things many people surviving suicide attempt said. They regretted it)
guys I don't think Secretariat meant run as in running away from your problems, I think he meant run as in pushing forward, don't let the past hold you back and learn to move on to greater things. I think he meant to grow from those problems. But that's just one interpretation.
I think that by running he was literally trying to run away from his problems. When he couldnt run anymore and like, had to face his problems (since he used running to forget about them), he resorted to the final solution to sadness, suicide. But thats my interpretation
When someone says something, an idea, an advice, it can have a lot of interpretations, not all of them, but like in this case, running foward can mean a lot of things.
So that's a precursor to the "don't stop dancing" message. The philosophy of never truly confronting your demons and problems and just running away from them. Only for them to get you anyway at the end.
Well the demons will catch you if you don't accept their existence. But, it does not mean, you let them to hold you back. Moving forward with acceptance.
What’s even worse is that the advice Secretariat gave Bojack sounds poetic and inspiring and all, but its basically telling Bojack to run from his past problems and not properly deal with them.
@@catherinecao4810 The advice people give is almost always a subconscious attempt to validate that person’s own actions to themselves through the other.
I do agree it's amazing and a good way to get over depression, but the last scene, a month after that interview, "You can be the fastest runner in the world, but you can't outrun the truth" And season 2, Bojacks mum calls him and tells him, "You're Bojack Horseman... there's no cure for that" I love this show and its complexities and relativities
BoJack, when you get sad, you run straight ahead and you keep running forward, no matter what. There are people in your life who are gonna try to hold you back, slow you down, but you don't let them. Don't you stop running and don't you ever look behind you. There's nothing for you behind you. All that exists is what's ahead.
Everyone talking about Secretariat's bad advice here like they completely missed Bojack's WORLD CLASS punnery Get it? The right track? Because Bojack is a horse and Secretariat is a horse? And horses run on tracks? Do you get the joke about the track?
Has anyone noticed that when the scene starts, Secretariat has no wrinkles and by the end, he has some bags under his eyes, as if hearing BoJack's letter made him feel older?
"And I remember one time, a fan asked me, "Hey, um, you know that episode where the horse has to give Ethan a pep talk, after Ethan finds out his crush only asked him to the dance because her friends were having a dorkiest date contest? In all the shots of the horse, you can see a paper coffee cup on the kitchen counter, but in the shots of Ethan, the coffee cup's missing. Was that because the show was making a statement, about the fluctuant subjectivity of memory and how even two people can experience the same moment in entirely different ways?" And I didn't have the heart to be, like, "No, man, some crew guy just left their coffee cup in the shot." So instead, I was like, "Yeah.""
No it's not? He didn't say anything bad about autism or autistic people, simply stated the fact that they are more sensitive towards details. Noticing details can be an asset sometimes
It is ridiculous how much this makes even more sense after the series ending. This was season 1: what a great show, what a stunning writing consistence
UGH even though he's only on screen for a few minutes, you can sense the deep pain behind Secretariat's seemingly motivational speech. John Kransinski was a good casting choice for this part.
"The View From Halfway Down" speech Secretariat made makes this scene even sadder that the last thing he thought during the fall was how much he regretted jumping and not realising there was another way before it was too late.
I mean, that episode where Secretariat makes the speech was all in Bojack’s head. We have no idea what the real Secretariat’s thoughts were when jumping, although we do know that Bojack may have suspected that those were Secretariat’s thoughts. And that the episode is basically Bojack’s own view from halfway down- when he’s just attempted suicide, but realized, in what could be his last moments, that he doesn’t want to die.
Talks about running and striving and struggling towards Success in one scene, able to step out of his own demons. Then in the next scene, commits suicide, because he can't outrun any of the pain, not anymore. Everything he thought was an accomplishment was nothing but empty accolades, and the horrifying truth was, he has no one beside him in the end.
The problem with Secretariat's advice is what happens when you accidentally look back. And for Secretariat he killed himself. Bojack runs into this problem a lot. He keeps moving forward and spirals downward when he looks back.
Watching this scene, and then seeing the wide shot at the end before he hits the water hits differently now after hearing his poem in season 6. I wonder if he opened his eyes to see the water now that hes halfway down.
I feel like if young Bojack heard what Secretariat said (instead of being interrupted by his parents arguing) he would’ve had a more hopeful and less miserable childhood
I don't think he meant run as in away. From your problems. I think he meant run as in go forward, don't look back. Like meet the Robinsons. 'keep moving forward' .
@@s.i.m.poster6823 I really doubt it, considering he killed himself when he was unable to run away from the consequences of his mistakes. He didn't push foward. Bojack also ran away from all his problems for the longest time. He didn't want to face what he did. "There is nothing behind you" is like the past doesn't matter but it does. Your mistakes run after you and you gotta deal with the bad you did. Running away instead of solving is bad. I made many mistakes like that.
Also, the creators confirmed that Bojack did hear the advice and that the scene of him scooting closer to the TV and turning up the volume to drown out the sound of the argument was meant to signify that he focused on and internalized that advice hard. To his own detriment, because running away from all his problems and never addressing anything from the past led to worse problems throughout his life, and likely Secretariat’s. The fact that Secretariat gave Bojack this advice and later committed suicide is meant to show that said advice was fundamentally flawed, and didn’t work out for Secretariat, either.
impaledimpaled You know, it really is, both literally and figuratively. It's kind of the reason I uploaded this. Last summer my SO and I broke up and it hit me pretty hard. We'd been dating for nine years. I had no friends and no desire to improve myself, drank a lot more than I should have, got into some other unhealthy coping mechanisms and really just let myself go overall. The months spanning from September through about February were just some real dark times for me. It was a mild winter and around January I decided I had to do something for myself, so I started running. I'd go to a local lake and just run when I got free time and it wasn't too cold. I didn't have a lot of motivation, but I remember I'd hear Secretariat in my head saying, "When you get sad, you run, straight ahead, and you keep running forward no matter what," and I'd run as hard as I could, sometimes on the verge of breaking down and crying. And figuratively, I kept myself from looking back. I asked my ex for no contact, and I didn't even think about trying to get back together. There's nothing for me there. In March I got my old therapist back, and making improvements in my social life has been a challenge, but I'm moving forward in that regard every day as well. I'm in a much better place now than where I was a year ago. Anyway.. I've been running consistently ever since. I weigh 30 pounds less than I did exactly a year ago, and on days that I can't run I get kind of upset. It's the one thing that makes me feel good, like I'm accomplishing something, like I CAN accomplish something, and it's in part thanks to what I thought would be a silly show about an anthropomorphic cartoon horse and his zany adventures that turned out to be so, so much more than that. I can't effing wait for season 2!
Tessa R totally agree. Actually, i am trying to run (or jogging) as frequently as i could - almost every day - this is good antidepressant, and i need it right now. I am living in Russia and for now it is very hard to live here - we've got a lot of dumbfucks in our country who're trying to make my life harder and harder (and it was never easy, actually) - prices are rising twice since 2014 and situation is getting worse every day. One day i'll leave this place, i know it, but it's pretty hard to me for now, so i working hard on my language and professional skills to be claimed in foreign country. And also i am running, of course, it helps me to avoid bouts of depression.
Only recently found out this voice actor is the same guy that did Jim in the office, honestly I didn't think much of him after that show but this is some amazing voice work
Mr Rogers was for this reason such a valuable show. He never said to just pretend to smile. He never said that you HAD to cry either. He just said feelings are normal, if you are sad it's ok to be sad, if you are angry it's ok to be angry, if you're numb and confused and want to be alone for a while then it's ok to be numb and confused and want to be alone for a while. ...But what we should try to do is express how we feel, talk about it or find some other safe way to get the feeling out. You didn't hafta feel ashamed or weird for having any feeling or being different. And you didn't always get an explanation why sometimes the world is a nasty unfair place. But you could always talk about it at home, or go someplace safer to find a more trustworthy outlet if you needed to. I wish more modern shows both for kids and adults would approach this.
It's not about running from your past, it's about running to your future. There's no "undo" button in life. What's done, is done. There's no way to change that. No resets, no second chances. Looking back in life, you see a series of failures. Some of them might not be your fault. You can do all the "right things", and still fail. This is the sad truth about life. And sometimes, you screwed up things all on your own. Knowing what you do now, of course, you'd do it differently. But it doesn't matter, because it doesn't change anything. All you have is tomorrow. Tomorrow, I'll be a little bit stronger. Tomorrow, I'll be a little bit smarter. Tomorrow, I'll be better than I was today...
"I am a good kid, and I like to play, and I like to go to school. But sometimes I get sad. What do you do when you get sad? How do you not be sad? Sincerely, BoJack." First time watcher of the series, just finished S1 last night; I had to come back to this scene, because...I dunno. It struck a chord? Like it really hit me deep, because I could relate to being sad sometimes like BoJack and having a not so good home life, but still be able to go to school and like it, as 9yo BoJack said he did. I believed I was a good kid, despite emotional and verbal physical abuse from my parents, I liked to play, and I could count myself as happy, but sometimes I would get really, really sad. It meant so much to me that BoJack could have someone like Secretariat -- who he looked up to so much -- say all these things, and honestly say he didn't have a happy childhood either, but went onto win the triple crown. 'Cause I never really had anyone like that. And even as a young adult, and I have things to be happy about, sometimes I still don't feel happy, and I get sad, so so much. Though -- judging from the way BoJack turned out as an adult (and foolishly reading the comments section 💀) Secretariat's words never got to him, did they?
I bet they did. But if your idol tells you to keep running. To battle through depression and saadness and then that very same person jumps off a bridge just a month later... Well. What is the lesson a 9yo gets from that? When the person you admired the most falls to the same demons that haunt you what hope is left for youself?
The punchline to this is that Bojack never heard this advice when he saw this and ended up being spiteful towards the people in his life because his parents yelled over it. A great setup to another heartbreaking character development. Fantastic stuff and I really love the last line that really has such a profound ring to it "You can be the fastest runner in the world, but you can't outrun...the truth." and no one gave a damn when Secretariat took his life. Life at its most cruel.
I know that it doesn’t add to the meaning of the scene but I just noticed this and I think it’s hilarious when the radio guy says “it’s the 70’s! you can’t cheat in sports and get away with it!” During the steroid era
The most depressing thing about this is that Bojack never even got to hear his idol’s advice cause his parents were fighting too loud he couldn’t hear the TV.
this has got to be my favorite joke of the entire show. It's so sad yet I burst out laughing because the writters are so god damn brilliant at dark comedy.
"When you get sad, you run, straight ahead - and you keep running foward, no matter what. There are people in your life who are gonna try and hold you back, slow you down, but you don't let them. Don't you stop running and don't you ever look behind you, there's nothing for you behind you, all that exists is what's ahead.
I just realized how Bojack twisted these words for himself. Instead of "dont stop running", we got "dont stop dancing". And Sarah Lynn took that to her grave
This is the best scene to show someone new to the show. It spoils nothing important in the show. It reveals no main character. But it informs about the humour, and soul crushing themes of depression and udder despair of like. Do you get it? Did you get my joke? Please tell me you got it? Di...
and the saddest thing is that Bojack didn't really follow Secretariat's advice. His whole life he was looking in the past, instead of running for a future. Guess they both ended up very tragic
Never knew that this was John Krasinski, but now that I know, I can’t help but thinking that if John were an anthropomorphic horse, he’d look just like secretariat does here. Maybe that’s what they were going for.
One of the greatest season openers of all time tbh, set the theme for the season and presented a life lesson about the dangers of denial and repression without being too to preachy
If his advice was: Move forward and don't let the past hold you back. Then he didn't follow his advice. If his advice was: Run away from your problems, then he probably did.
I think it's interesting that Diane was dead wrong about Bojack being interested in Secretariat because of his flaws and tortured psyche. Bojack didn't learn about him after his fall from grace like she did, he was just a kid looking up to a horse who was a role model. To him, Secretariat being a champion racer represented something to strive towards, and he could imagine he'd one day be successful too and escape his horrible home life, or at least prove to his parents that he was worth something. No wonder he was so hurt when Diane wrote the book she did.
I just realized Bojack Horseman's videos on youtube have some of the comment sections where people talk overtly about depression. It's nice to see this serie creating a discussion.
