Bolt EUV Charging Options - Review 120V vs 240V how much time do you have? days vs. hours 

Nice set up,

I work for the railroad as a locomotive engineer. I can assure you there will not be a rail strike.

@@LastMumzy I think they should have provided the sick time

@@practicallyfrugal Would have been nice 😞

@@LastMumzy union fist bump

They are fully discontinued already. GM said so on Monday morning 4-24-23. We unfortunately have a 2020 and no recall fix or idea when it will happen in 2023. Cat Lady CEO is just talking about their " Plan " to do something in the future with EVs ....... I hope nobody gets into their EVs and gets ignored and passed over exactly like all of us others out there. IF you are in an accident ..... Your car will be totaled because there are no parts to fix it. The Equinox EV is a sham. They are only selling TOP TRIM LEVEL ones for the first year. That is IF you can get one in a year. The one thing Chevy are good at is NOT delivering EVs. If they made the order Non Refundable there would be less than a thousand. Also the Equinox they PLAN on making at the bottom level trims are far more expensive than a Bolt and will have over 50 miles less range and weaker motor. FACTS. If you don't spend over 40 thousand dollars you will be screwed and road trips won't be an option. Front wheel drive will make your tires last 10,000 to 20,000 miles from now on. You can't tow any weight with front wheel drive without a front motor and transmission to counter weight it. Tires will not grip in dry conditions.... Just spin. Chevy is ready for bankruptcy and deserves it fully. Stealerships will be the next to go with the Bolt and Bolt EUV. None of it will be missed at all.

Enjoy the EUV and the new charger

@@practicallyfrugal Thank you 😊

Glad to share. Just sort of evolved over time

Thanks we had it epoxied last fall, wish we did it a long time ago

@@practicallyfrugal It’s awesome!

concrete floor is very clean

Glad they like it, I think it is the bargain of the century in the EV space

@@practicallyfrugal Totally, I am going to review it for my channel but you get the most for that price range. Example my dad got it for 22k cash. I put that much down on my Model Y and still had to take out a 45k dollar loan 😅😅😅😅 It's a great little car and I actually prefer a compact car for daily city driving and parking on the street.

@@thatevchick not sure where you are located as incentives change with location, but here in NY with all incentives I see a base bolt premier for about $22,700 OTD with incentives if being creative in the new year

@@practicallyfrugal That is pretty insane. Im in CA right now

My daughter just got her license and we showed her how to put gas in our Highlander that she gets to drive and she was like why would anyone want to do this, so much easier to plug in at home

It’s definitely possible, but only in the very smallest EV batteries, with the highest 110 rates. A 20 amp 110 could safel push 16 continuous amps. Some small cars only have 20-30 kWh batteries. But you are correct, he’s likely wrong. Maybe it’s a PHEV.

This is a good explanation. I'm illiterate when it comes to electrical terminology lol

@@Billy.80 I disagree, amperage is only a portion of power (P=EI), 16A at 120V and 16A at 240V are two entirely different things. when we talk about outlet power we talk about the nominal power, for a 120V outlet that's 1800 watts (120V x15A). If your ACV is lower or higher than 120V that is a specific aspect of you home, not of the grid. If you look at EVSE specs they are relative to power. Clipper Creek's specs, for example rate their unit at 9600 watts, that's 40A at 240V. The important rating is the 9.6 kW. Amps are relative to panel fuses only, to get that 9.6kW you need 40 amps which is usually a 50 amp breaker for overhead. Saying 16 amps doesn't give any reference, is it 16A at 120V or 240V nominal? Entirely different things, that's why we refer to power. Look at appliances, what do most of them show? Something like "120V, 60Hz, 350 watts", that's from a small heater in my office I just looked at.

So does this mean that those of us who have their battery swapped due to the recall can now charge at 11.5kwh instead of the 6.6 or whatever we were initially limited to at level 2?

with all the melted outlets showing up on youtube, people should be paying more attention to amps.

@@casstippit766 I don't believe so, that's the internal electronics that enables higher charging. Let's remember it's EVSE (electric vehicle service equipment), all the electronics to balance the battery and current limit it are in the car not the EVSE.

I have overall been much happier with the EUV vs the volt. More room overall and is easier to get in and out. I took was a bit apprehensive at first in making the switch, but when I looked at my usage with being 85+% electric in the volt for my miles with only 53 miles of range I figured with 250 I should be fine. That and for our long road trips we would use the Highlander. My only regret was not buying out the volt given how prices skyrocketed, but that is hindsight

@@practicallyfrugal I have exactly the same sentiments regarding the Volt, I’m tall and it is difficult to get in and out of and as a you say, the Bolt has more room for both passengers and cargo. The Volt has been an excellent vehicle overall.

You'll experience a pleasant improvement in every regard. I traded my '15 Volt Base for a '22 Bolt EUV Premiere and gained everything and then some; gave up nothing. You're in for owning the best EV now on the market.

It is a Hubbell tool balancer, I bought mine one eBay and was like $35-$45 at the time, and appears they are out there for that price still. www.radwell.com/en-US/Buy/HUBBELL/HUBBELL/BD-05/?gclid=CjwKCAiAv9ucBhBXEiwA6N8nYC6Qyu11pmO51wNaIuKukeMPv0ybFxF-pif1859yKpFhI6lzOANogRoCM0AQAvD_BwE

One was free, one came with the car, and the other two had tax credits on them, good thing the father in law is a retired electrician

At about 6:55 you use the term kilowatts which is power flow when I think you mean kilowatt-hours which is stored energy. People often confuse these terms.

You are correct

I agree with the 120/240 piece just habit, will say though as the power on these ramps up I see my voltage drop to just above 230 especially at the higher amps. I also wish I had solar, but I have super cheap municipal rates at $0.05/kwh that makes it so the ROI is just not there. I have looked 3 times over the past 20 years and it has gotten much better, but still not quite there.

@@practicallyfrugal Wow that’s a great power rate indeed and I’m curious where your located? Here in rural NW Wisconsin we pay $0.13 per KWh, still not too bad compared to what some pay and it’s a cheap $13 a month to be on the grid through the utility compared to other local power companies charging $45-$50 a month to be on their lines so I went with a grid-tie system. The bummer up here for EVS is that it’s so cold here in the winter but as far as keeping a EV in the garage I want to insulate and heat it to 45 degrees, not real warm but better than at our sometimes below zero temps up here and it will help some when I go out in the cold with the EV. I heat my house exclusively with free firewood so if I use some LP for the garage no big deal!

@@hermancm located in a suburb of Rochester NY, power comes from Niagara Falls

Go Bills! If using 120v exclusively you won't need a 14-50 outlet. If you plan to install one I would not buy the cheapest one at HD/Lowe's, they will work, but not necessarily designed for the long term heavy load a charge can place on the outlet. In my setup the outlet I have is an outdoor rated RV one and was like $35, I wanted it over the regular outlet to protect the plug. A decent 14-50 outlet will be around $15+

Yeah, look for a commercial grade 14-50 plug. Most of the ones available in the big box stores aren't as robust as a commercial grade outlet.

Yes the EVSE is waterproof, if installing outside many places require it to be hardwired vs plugged in

Typically for most EV's 80-90% seems to be the recommended regular upper charge limit to maximize battery life. I set my mine to 80% except when I know I need the extra range, We do this on the Model Y as well that my wife recently acquired.

@@practicallyfrugal Thank you! And have you ever observed faults on the Siemens charger when charging the Bolt to 80-90%?

@@ronw4975 I never had any faults on it, I have had some on rare occasions when it's hot in the garage with the clipper creek, maybe 2 or 3 times in 5 years.

Sorry to hear it is in the shop, what is it in for?

@@practicallyfrugal Thanks! The heater went up about a week after I got it. I wouldn't care much because of the wonderful heated seats and steering wheel but I can't defog my windows to see where I'm going and the car is brand new. Nice video btw 👌

@@donnyh3497 thx, sorry to hear about the heater, that would be a problem. Knock on wood 17,500 miles no issues so far

Glad to hear it. In the 3 weeks I had it, I really did love that car. I just had a 50amp breaker put in and a chargepoint homeflex installed. I'm not sure how long it will take to charge with that set-up.

@@donnyh3497 most likely it is set for a 40 amp charge rate which is similar to the juicebox charger in the video in terms of speed. Which will be plenty fast unless you need to drive well more than 250-300miles daily. In my case I have since set both my chargers to 32 amps which is plenty fast, did it with the idea it might be lease wear on them?? But have nothing concrete to base that on.

Yah that is a steep price supposedly you can reject quotes and ask for a different bid. Others have sold this evgo credits not quite at full value

It will be on the agenda, I have the Rheem heat pump water heater that replaced a 40 gallon gas that I should do a video on, math on those is quite favorable to the point if you swap a resistance style water heater with one of these you will negate the additional electric use for 12k miles in the bolt

@@practicallyfrugal about 2 years ago we swapped out an old nat gas water heater for a heat pump/electric hybrid water heater. it works pretty well. but electric bill about 95 more at certain times of year than before. but nat gas bill isnt as high during heating season. water doesnt get as hot but still gets plenty hot. its a 50 gallon water heater.

@@mts982 that's seem rather high. Either you have a lot of hot water use or insanely high electric rates. We have the 65 gallon version and inlaws have the 50gallon version. Family of 4 and 2 respectfully. Both are using about 90kwh per month or about 1,100 kwh total. At national avg electric rates that is $165/yr. As similar size resistant water heater would use about 5,000kwh and cost about $750 per year. Inlaws went from 50 gallon on resistant to 50 gallon HP and their electric bill went down about $45/mo.

@@practicallyfrugal only thing i can think of is its out in garage, not inside, been very cold as of late. maybe we need to wrap it.

@@practicallyfrugal Time-of-Day (5-8 p.m.) Rate details Non-summer October 1 - May 31 Midnight 5 PM 8 PM Midnight Off-peak Midnight - 5 p.m. $0.1098 kWh All day weekends and holidays Peak 5 p.m. - 8 p.m. $0.1516 kWh Off-peak 8 p.m. - midnight $0.1098 kWh Summer June 1 - September 30 Midnight Noon 5 PM 8 PM Midnight Off-Peak Midnight - noon $0.1323 kWh All day weekends and holidays Mid-Peak Noon - 5 p.m. $0.1827 kWh Peak 5 p.m. - 8 p.m. $0.3215 kWh Mid-Peak 8 p.m. - midnight $0.1827 kWh

22 feet from the tip of the charger handle to the box. Pigtails are about 8" long

You can down adjust some chargers. The juicebox can down adjust thru the app.

@@practicallyfrugal Yes I know but it be nice if I could adjust it in the car. My bmw i3 has a reduce setting but my bolt does not. Also, chargepoint removed the ability to adjust amps after install.

Correct the juicebox can, the Emporia I put in can as well as others like chargepoint

@@practicallyfrugal Chargepoint no longer lets you do it on demand.

On the dash it shows 11kw with the 48 amp, 9kw with 40 amp, 7kw with 32 amps, 6kw with 30 amp, 3kw with 16 amp, and 1kw with 12 amp 120v

Don’t ask you got a cordless drill battery? Leave it out in a cold car overnight and see how well it works the next day compared to one that was left inside that will give you your answer.

I get around 200 miles on a full charge in winter on my 2017 chevy bolt. I live in upstate ny

I can't speak to Canada, but if similar to US it is a basic install of breaker, outlet, and a small amount of wire to connect them. They assume main panel is somewhat near the new outlet. Distance is not specified, but my guess within 20-30 feet.

@@practicallyfrugal ok. Thanks. Is the Chevy charger a little slower than other level 2 ones? I’ve heard they take 10 hours to charge a bolt. Vs 7 hours for other level 2 chargers? Either way, it’s free so it’s great!! Looking forward to getting my bolt EUV in 13 days :) Thanks!

@@andrewandron7087 Chevy charger is good for 32 amps, but the bolt can accept a charge from a 48 charger. Hence the difference in speed

@@practicallyfrugal ok thanks

Main panel on the house is 150amps

I hear ya, some "experts" just "myna bird" what they "think" they heard out on the street. Probably does not even own a VOM.

I do keep the rate at 32 amps vs the 48A that it will accept on 240v Been driving it more and more and I would not be able make 120v work

The clipper Creek was $379 and received a 30% fed tax credit and 50%nys credit. Juice box was $629 and received 30% fed tax credit. Siemens versa charge was free thru my utility as part of a one year time of use charging study

@@practicallyfrugal Ah, Thanks for all your information. Happy Holidays to you.

That’s comparing one of the nicer EVs to the cheapest of cars. You should compare to the BoLT. Costs me 5 bucks to fill it at home.

In this video the first charger that is plugged in is to a 110v outlet and the charger is set to 12 amps. The rest of the chargers after that are all on 220v at different amperages

You have a some great cars no doubt, but you have spent about $250k on these Tesla's over at most 10 years. which is about about 5 times what I have spent on my vehicles. And yes I completely get they could add such options. But at the same time Tesla could knock 20% off all of their vehicles and still be very profitable. Could even knock 30% and be at break even. So you as a buyer of the vehicle are paying that premium, and while I like Tesla and what they are doing I am choosing for now not to fund their company, at some point that may change as they will continue to be very successful

@@practicallyfrugal those cars are in a different tax bracket they compete against BMW and Mercedes. The reason why is because you can make them cheaply and sell them for more money it's called capitalism we all hate capitalism when it works against us. My point was something as small as adding a charger that can charge your vehicle faster if something even the cheapest car should have but like I mentioned before that's something they're going to use to make you pray more money

So the Siemens was given to me FREE by the electric company and the GM supplied one came with the new car. I don't need or use 4 and will be selling one or more of them shortly. In practice the overhead one I use all winter long as it keeps the cord off the dirty/salty floor and the juicebox in the summertime as we don't/can't park in the garage do to summer kids stuff being out

@@practicallyfrugal Got it. I only use one (made it overhead just like you did) and it's all I need.

@Practicallyfrugal How did you get the Siemens charger for free from power company? Do you have National Grid?

@@stubs6575 they had a message out asking for volunteers with the only commitment being we used it for one year. This was thru our municipal power company Fairport electric

i bought it as a commuter car cause i work 6 days a week an gas is hella high right now ,,

Overhead was the first one from the volt that I no longer have, the juicebox I added to have faster recharge time and to be able to charge outside the garage l, the Siemens was given to me for free by the utility company for a time of use study and the GM dual level charger came with this Bolt. I do plan to sell one of these shortly

Yah the hate against EVs has picked up steam as of recent and part of it is the anti Elon narrative as he does not follow the narrative the elitists want him to follow.

@@practicallyfrugal Could be, but my guess is that the anti-EV hysteria is largely fueled by oil companies and auto repair and maintenance industry. (a) My former gas station owner must hate my guts for going electric - I stopped buying gas years ago. (b) So must my former mechanic - EVs are practically maintenance-free. All it takes to operate an EV is a checkup and wheel alignment once a year. (c) Which allows me to fly by garages and gas stations with a Mona Lisa smile on my face. FREEDOM!!!

Yup. These cars are only for people with garages. At least for now. Maybe in the future more street parking and whatnot will have charging. I mean. Every light post could theoretically have at least a 120 plug.

Okay.

Outdoor installs are easy enough. The plugs are waterproof and most of the chargers are as well.

DCFC is one of the slowest for sure, but for home charging it is as good or better than most with 11.1kw capability

Not really worried about it

if you are on the highway doing road trips constantly agreed this is not the vehicle for you. If on the other hand you are driving 175 mile or less round trip, this is the perfect car as you take 3 seconds to plug it in when you get home and 3 to unplug it when you leave. Spending 5mins every week(or 4hrs 20mins/year) in all sorts of inclement weather pumping gas into a car that is costing at least $140/month($1,680/yr) in gas(assumes 12k/yr,25mpg. gas@$3.49/gal) does not sound like fun to me. Assuming the same factors this bolt will cost me about $230 in electricity for the entire year.

@@practicallyfrugal that was a great justification for plug in and wait. Drive, plug in and wait. Battery does faster in cold. Plug in and wait. Can't jump start it, you buy a new battery, some can't be towed. I'll keep my truck because I can convert it to natural gas.

Remember the picture of a tesla 11:54 with the gas generator in the cargo basket on back with extra gas cans 😂

You might live in the states, but I don’t believe English is your first language. Your writing is a little rough.

So yes I did misspeak the voltage is 120v on the standard household outlet. Tesla's do have more range for those longer road trips and more performance, BUT that comes at very large upfront price that it doesn't make sense financially for many. In my case I can certainly go buy a model Y today, but I don't need the performance, nor the extra 100miles of range for what is a car I drive locally/regionally without issue. The cost differential currently is $30k after taxes and with the deal I got $45k. I can go and get another car with the cost differential alone, but to each their own.

Ya because no Tesla has ever burst into flames. Oh wait….

i’d look into the tesla wall with the j1772 plug. best value for a 48 amp.

He must’ve had posters remorse cause I don’t see his rude little post any more. 🤷🏻‍♂️

That was the restriction on bolts that had not had its battery limited to 80% or replaced. This is a 2023 with a non recalled battery

@@practicallyfrugal A Dec 20th recall came out for those Bolts for another fire warning. They use those sketchy bargain brand LG batteries. You have to get that thing out of your house or you risk burning your house down. That is just how it is when you buy GM EVs.

@@harrychu650 My 2023 Bolt has the new battery pack from the factory. The recall is for 2022 and earlier models. I added my car to the NHSTA recall list using my VIN number. No recalls as of now.

@@unclej3910 I won't take the chance. GM is spending more in advertising/branding then engineering for EVs and LG has a terrible reputation in the battery industry.