pretty much, tesla actually open up their charging to be a standard because a new law in the US, they didnt have to but by doing so I think they get money or something.
Except 1. The adaptor already comes with the charger, 2. It’s trivial in both cost and space to carry adaptors inside a car (you just leave it in the car?) compared to carrying an extra cable/dongle for your mobile device when traveling and 3. There’s nothing in CCS that’s inherently incompatible with Tesla port, in fact any Tesla adaptor to CCS simply does power pass through.
One of 2 things can happen if they go forward in regards to the layout, either they extend the cables (retractable or just straight up longer) or they reorient the chargers the same way gas pumps are. Glad to see things are getting unified.
I dont know aubout the US, but in europe Tesla is opeining its first V4 superchargers right now, and they acutally have longer cables. Which is good news I think.
Or buy a Tesla. Not happy that the also rans will charge at the Tesla Fast chargers. The companies making the EV cars, should build their own charging network.
@@Purfefun2 If all the manufacturers built their own networks/plugs that would create so much waste. It would be a repeat of when cellphones used to have different plugs, which is why phone manufacturers made the switch to USB-C, and why Apple is being forced to switch.
1:35 It defaulted to 0.00, 0.00 GPS coordinates. Notice it has the UK at the top in the middle, and the equator in the middle. It's a common sight to see when messing with programs/apps that have maps.
MKBHD giving shout outs to other content creators is one of my favorite things. That was such a pleasant and organic experience caught on camera and it was fun to be along for the ride.
So upgrading current gen 3 chargers at the current locations? If it means installing a new gen 4 charger that may take Tesla years to complete presumably?
But what about giving priority to Tesla owners if stalls are being occupied or one truck taking up two stalls kinda situation? Hope Tesla has through this through.
Yes, mine too! Before, I would not get one due to the lack of practicality and the fact that I don’t have the money. But now, it’s just because I don’t have the money 😂😂
Shoutout to Tom from @stateofcharge and @insideevs. Tesla needs to Limit CCS vehicles based on their charge port. They will also need a queuing system. New site designs need to be pull-through instead of back-in spots. And the government can help by mandating the location of charge-ports instead of Auto manufacturers putting them where ever they want. Gas (Ice) vehicles have the gas port on the rear left or right not anywhere they want like EV’s.
We definitely need a consortium like they did for the USB-C. Get all the major car makers to agree on a charging port standard. I vote for a center plug on all cars- front or rear. That way you put the responsibility on the charging station to provide a length of cable to reach that location on the parking spot and all cars can use. If yours is in the back center, you back in. If yours is in the front center, you drive forward into the spot. It also gives the car manufacturers some flexibility to place the charging port in front or rear of the vehicle according to their design needs.
I can say for sure they wont be happy if your taking 2 stalls to charge the Ioniq 5 since the charge port is on the passenger side, and if half the stalls are open but all of them are not in your placement then your screwed if they are all tesla owners
@@Del_987 the manufacturers should place their charge port on the rear driver side or front passenger. Putting it wherever just to be different is what’s causing this issue. Or at least they can be like Porsche and put it on both sides. The longer the cable the slower the charging.
@@earthling_parth As of recent, I'm with Dave, unfortunately. I've been researching the Bolt EUV, even sat in one (didn't have time to test drive), but given my current situation (no house for home charging, I live in an apartment) and the state of my city's public charging (in a city that's just about top 10 US city by population)... fully electric or even plug-in hybrid just isn't in my near future. I'm also quite curious about the climate impact of fully electric vs. hybrid vs. combustion manufacturing, operation, and lifespan. And very interested in your Bolt EUV purchase, especially if you managed to get a 2023 as Marques got me (and you?) very, very interested in. :) haha
@@KrisS602 I'm not anti-EV, but actually the climate impacts (and human slavery impacts of mineral mining such as cobalt in Africa) of battery production are pretty horrible overall. It's under-reported because everyone is trying to push the EV adoption narrative, but I hesitate to call it green (when you consider the ENTIRE process) as is being promoted.
Wow what an up to date real life scenario for Fast Charging networks. I like you videos and also love Mr. State of Charge's channel. Good stuff guys. Just about to pick up my ne Kia EV6 tomorrow but will be charging at home 95% of the time I hope. Interesting times.
Marques, the map in your app defaulted to Africa because that is at zero degrees latitude and zero degrees longitude. The place in focus is called Null Island. It is a common place to go if the app does not have your current location, history of location that you previously used it at or the app is not completely implemented to handle location correctly. I think the latter might be the case here. :)
@@guelphdgc7995 Center of the Mercator projection*. The center of the Earth is about 5,150°C degrees warmer than equator and maps aren't very useful there ;)
This was so tastefully laid back and wholesome with the other ev owners participating. I felt as close to Marques in terms of acquaintance as I could possibly feel even though I'm watching a video. Good stuff. 👏🏾
@@hugh_jasso I don't think they meant they felt a longtime parasocial relationship with Marques. It's just the general vibe of this video/channel they got, probably since it's not scripted, he's just vlogging using a phone, whatever; it feels more laidback and slightly personal. Still a good idea to keep yourself in check and have some healthy real-life relationships though
this is so refreshing, a video without all the gimmicks, traps and baiting just full on valuable content and taking us on a journey with a simple one camera vlogging set up.
I love that you ran into other youtubers doing the same thing as you. It's crazy how the short cable - something standard at the hundreds of super chargers - is posing _such_ a problem for almost all other EVs.
@@DarkMatter1992 If you think about the fact, that for most chargers, you pay for the kWh including the charging losses, I'd rather have a short cable. If they would install longer cables, every Tesla owner would have to pay more, because of the other cars. The much better solution would be, if companies could agree on a location for the charge port.
@@onezweithree I understand from that perspective, but has anyone actually done the calculations to see what the effective loss is over certain lengths? For example, if the cable was 2m longer, would you have to pay 20 cents extra or 2 dollars for a standard charging session? Sure, it will add up over time, but that's just the cost of convenience and peace of mind.
Definitely need to have longer cables now and some parking etiquette. I don’t think it should roll out yet at very busy stations just yet until they figure out all of those other logistics. Overall though it’s going to be great to have a reliable charge network for everyone.
Only problem with longer cables, more copper. Idiots are already cutting charging cables to scrap copper. Shutting down the stations and costing 1000s in damage.
Tesla has charging ports on both sides (left and right), so i don`t see a problem: someone else caould charge tesla right next to Marques, from both sides
I live in NYC, and the only on-the-street charger I've ever spotted is on E. 67th Street just off York Ave. It's from a company called Flo and its charging cables are *extremely* long -- if I had to guess I'd say they extend 12 feet. (They're so long, in fact, that at the halfway point they're suspended from a metal wire that's attached high atop the charging post.) Clearly the future demands that *all* chargers need cables this long -- not to mention a single universal charging port standard.
They could offer extenders on the side of those chargers (fastened by some kind of metal wire pulley). That way you are able to extend the cord if necessary.
This is the type of info I am interested in seeing as I consider the EV options as it is likely a big part of what users will deal with on a regular basis if not exclusively charging at home whether because of long commute, schedule, or traveling.
Nice video and helpful feedback for owners and the industry. Seems like any easy fix (a number of solutions seem possible) to a problem that will become more common as more EVs hit the road.
Tesla mentioned yesterday that their new Superchargers (they are releasing in Europe first) have longer cables to accommodate all the different charge port positions. This will eventually be implemented in the US as well and that should help with the parking and charging etiquette. Great and informative video by the way!
@@Old_Ladies The longer the cable the higher the transfer losses (internal resistance). It needs better cooling, going to be thicker. And they need to go for 800V charging, that halves the needed Amps and in turn reduces charge losses due to cable resistance.
We've had this for half a year in Norway, as Tesla opened up all their chargers for all EVs around september/october last year. It has worked well so far I'd say, but yes the "where do you park" issue has come up. Several stations have improved their layout though, so you can park at a charger "in any direction" so to say. So you don't take up 2 spots at once.
Norway is better placed than most of Europe or the UK - they thought this through long ago and were better prepared. UK is bad for non teslas blocking out bays and we are now seeing big queues for the first time ever. Bit of a disaster really.
@@constantinnescu1564 The charging cables are a little bit longer. Also all EVs come with the same charging port, so you can charge basically anywhere.
Good points. They need to figure out the parking stalls and cable lengths. I’m a Tesla owner and this is potentially a big deal for us, not only having other vehicles taking up not only taking up one stall, but TWO!! Good for non-Teslas to have SC access but a huge negative for Teslas. Decreases one of the huge selling points for Teslas. Thx for your video.
At this point it is not all superchargers, just a select few lower traffic sites, and not even all chargers within those sites. Tesla is never going to dramatically compromise at the expense of their own customers.
We test drove the Rivian truck and loved it. However, it wasn't quite what we wanted or needed at that time. We are now the proud owners of a 2023 Ford F150 Lightning and absolutely LOVE it! We are eagerly awaiting the Tesla adapter so that we can travel farther from home. The current Charge Point or Plug Share chargers are just too far apart here in the Midwest. We're ordering a Mach E in a couple of months. :D Love your channel!!!
I'm from Europe and this clip is very useful specially since we are looking to get a non-Tesla EV in our family fleet and see early all issues when charging..
Very good review and raising the issue of short cables and parking spots. Another F150 user had to try 3 stations before his truck would sync with the station.
Super interesting to see the differences in the mic quality depending on if the camera is facing Marques or facing away from him! Also love that Marques gave State of Charge a shoutout.
Love that Marques is an overall nice guy! It was great seeing him talk about Tesla chargers now being open to non-Tesla EVs while also talking to and helping other people he randomly met there.
Today at Tesla Investor day they said they are aware of the cable length situation and have already engineered a solution that they will be rolling out when they update SC locations for non Tesla cars.
@@ManchesterUtdFan the problem is the amperage of the lines, you can’t just throw an extension cord on it and let the plug fall in the snow or a puddle.
We were on the way home to the SF Bay Area from LA and stopped by our usual exit in our Highlander along interstate 5. Note that there are many gas stations at this exit. There are something like eight SC sitting behind the Starbucks lot and all were in used. While sitting back there in the shade having a bite, five Teslas showed up needing a charge. As more people own and use their Tesla on road trips, we will be seeing more issues with this, not just other EV sharing a SC.
The fact that Marques talks about an specific random and less than 1% of probably happening in a video, ending happening was amazing. This video is unique in so many ways. love this guy
Even with the logistics challenges, this looked like a better experience than dealing with the other charging networks, at least based on how they are portrayed in RU-vid auto channel videos.
the other public chargers are actually horrendous. I have never ever had a good experience with them. Im glad Tesla opened them but now theres a whole other issue 😅
@@JPurewal The only time I used a public DC fast charger, it was quite painless. Just had to swipe my credit card, hit a few prompts, and plug in. I didn't even need an account or an app, so it was actually easier than using a Tesla charger like the one in this video would have been (since this video doesn't show the process of downloading the Tesla app and attaching a payment method to it).
Great video! I like having this figured out before needing to use one. Just took delivery of my R1S. Saw a MachE at a Rivian charger in Toledo when I tried out a Rivian Supercharger the other day.
Definitely a game changer. I have an R1S coming in a few months and I was thinking about passing on it precisely because I was worried about how few chargers are out there.
The etiquette thing is legit gonna be interesting to see. Imagine you’re on a trip and 4 or 5 non teslas are just crowding up the stations like the gym during new years lmao . People gonna be brawling at the charge stations
@@ktwingstrom Not exclusive obviously, people just assumed it would be exclusive but you have to be a fool to think that since they opened up in Europe
I think you have an unrealistically high opinion of the general public haha. Americans don’t know what’s going on in Europe. They only know this used to be for Teslas and now some dude in a Hyundai is blocking my spot because his charge port is in the wrong spot. And they will be pissed. And I’m just saying it’s not wrong to be a bit irritated at the whole situation as a Tesla owner. If you took the time to do the research and made the concious decision to steer away from Non Teslas because you have a mostly guaranteed reliable fast network to charge on and now that’s stripped away? That’s irritating
Damn - wish I could've seen a wide shot of that Rivian and F150 next to each other. But other than that gr8 video!!! Seems like an adaptor for extra length is an easy fix.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Don't! It happens! MKBHD is super light-hearted and I can almost promise he (as well as the audience) will chuckle about it, and that's that. We all make goofs! :)
Agreed. At the same time I would have appreciated a shout out to Tesla for making it possible and not spreading FUD about possible future problems for Tesla owners. Its quite obvious that Tesla more than likely has it figured out because how they are rolling it out and how Tesla vehicles know how many of its chargers are occupied for how long.
He is a fool. Is the cable too short for him? Didn't imagine that their car is wrong? Where are the Ford or Lucid charging networks with the long cables?
really good video thank you for showing this off, this seems like a short term road bump but hopefully will help increase confidence in EVs in general and grow the network of EV charger stations exponentially ... also could be an easy fix if an option in the future becomes available (or maybe available now I don't know) for non tesla EV owners to have some sort of extension cable they can get to help solve this situation for them.
So fun to see Tom there charging with MKBHD. He's the GOAT of home EVSEs and State of Charge is a great channel. It was also funny to see how bad he felt about mispronouncing Marques' name.
oh geez he does reports for insideEVs too, I thought he looked familiar. Really makes you wonder if they sort of planned to meet together. seems like a massive coincidence two big names in EVs are just randomly together at 1 single supercharger
@@jmen1333 Tell me you're a conspiracy theorist without telling me you're a conspiracy theorist. Jared went first. What gain would they have from pretending to meet randomly? Over just saying "I invited a few fellow youtubers over to see what their experience is like". You should try more time thinking before coming to conclusions
It’s not Teslas fault the Ford does not know we’re to put a charging port. If you cant get the cable to reach go to your Ford dealer and use there charger😮
@@bobkephart2086 what's your problem. I don't think we were talking about that. Anyway, there isn't a right or wrong location for a charging port. The biggest problem is Tesla building their charging locations without any thought of the future. If they planned for this it wouldn't be a problem.
In Norway they opened up a few chargers first, but within a year most all Superchargers are open to all brands. Including some of the very busiest spots. Recently they've been offering some of the cheapest pricing as well.
As Out of spec channels of Kyle Connor who often travel to Norway has shown that country has a very high density of chargers as at home as public level II as direct current chargers along roads (low speed, medium speed, high speed in kW) on the streets in the cities, in the parking spots in lots of organizations, at ALL parking spots in airports, at the gas stations and so on. Norway easily can get by without even having any Tesla superchargers since all Tesla’s are CCS there. That is why it made sense to open all Tesla superchargers to public since those DC chargers are not perceived as bespoken for Tesla like in the USA but rather another part of public infrastructure although private but meant to provide excessive redundancy in charging so nobody can even think if having an EV on the road how, when will be able to recharge to continue the journey. It has become driving an EV there like driving a gasoline car in the USA - hop in and go where you need to go. The same RU-vidr shows places where gasoline/petrol stations in Norway have left only one pump working with the rest of spots refurbished with DC chargers for EVs. That is why charging an EV in Norway is like charging a cell phone in the USA - just plug, charge, use it. And by the way towing with EVs is not an issue since most are pull through charging stations especially Tesla ones. The only problem in Norway is for travelers with EVs from outside the country to create an inside Norway account with a local phone to unlock the public chargers. However unlocking Tesla is as easy as it is in the USA.
@@nevco8774 The whole app-thing is a proper pain in the a** for a Norwegian as well, taking up a whole home screen page on my phone w/various EV charging apps.. Hopefully new legislation mandating card payment options should be coming soon.
I loved him talking to other people who randomly happened to be there. Great he wasn't the only one to have that idea. MKBHD is a great guy for also shouting out the guy's channel. Win win I suppose :)
The priceless camera time from other content creators just really shows what type of person you are Marques, I applaud you and tip my hat off to you, ps I believe this was my second comment since I started watching RU-vid in 2007. It def moved me. 🙏🏼
We rented a Poleatar 2 and took a detour to try the magic doc at Scotts Valley CA. Charge port is also on the left rear panel so I didnt have to take up two stalls. Worked well in my case.
I love the on the fly interview/interaction with other EV drivers… I would love to see a wider ranging video in a similar style asking people at chargers about their experiences owning EV’s
After a few months, the strain on those cables is going to cause some serious issues. They definitely need some extending cables that you can pull out of the charger that click at certain increments.
We've had this in Norway for a little while on all superchargers installed after the Model 3 started shipping. As with EU regulations (I think) the model 3 used a standard charging port and not the Tesla exclusive. So all superchargers installed after that, are fitted with 2 cables instead of an adapter. So it was done purely via software to enable all vehicles to charge at their chargers. Not sure if all are unlocked yet, but many are :)
Great video here, man. You couldn't have asked for a better scenario with the variety of EVs. Hoping for a future where chargers and ports are standardized.
@@DrewPera Not just unofficial, it's literally the official standard. Tesla got grandfathered in since they preceded the CCS rollout in the US. But at this point, they really need to start converting over to the standard. These adapters prove they can do it easily enough.
The 1 charger that is offset on the the end is for a tesla with a trailer so they can back in and the charger is appropriately spaced to accommodate the trailer
I was so happy when more ppl came and yall started talking about this! It was really cool and kind of wholesome 😂. I think they should invest in longer cables and car manufacturers should make their charging port doors move upward bc for the Ford F-150 the charging port door is what was not allowing the cable to reach.
