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In defense of Dyson...I picked up one of the first-gen yellow vacs from a neighbor for free. It had been treated like a rented mule and some of the ABS parts down at the bottom had broken and were held on with duct tape. Fearing a huge parts bill, I called Dyson. I got a nice human on the phone almost immediately. Told them about getting it for free, broken parts, etc. She ID'd every part from my description. When I asked how much it was going to cost, she acted surprised and said, "No charge". Could hardly believe it! Three days later I had the parts. It's been nine years and the thing is going strong. Aside from all the ABS creaking like a Lego tower, it still works like a champ (and I haven't broken any parts). If their customer service is still that good today, it's worth taking into consideration.
Kettletrigger Be sure to keep an old yellow one. Those old ones were real work horses we had one for years. Then we upgraded to the ball Models and even got one of these useless garbage handheld with the bad switches that you can’t replace. None of those were worth a nickel. Stick with the old ones like the DC 14 and you actually have something
It's an example of value engineering if you compare the DC01 to the later models. The tube in the handle, is, for example, metal (aluminium I think) in the DC01/03 but plastic in the later models. The free parts is great for the consumer but also excellent information for Dyson - they have millions of running hours of data and know which bits to further (value) engineer because they don't fail, and which bits to strengthen/redesign because they regularly fail. My modern DC33 is nowhere near as good but it's still better than most vacuums that come with a long hose and could be outdone by an ashmatic octogenarian in terms of the amount of air that they move.
volvo09 I found a dc25 animal along the side of a road net to some trash cans and immediately pulled over T snatch it, if anything, I wanted to tear it apart out of curiosity. Got it home and it fired right up, only thing it needed was a new brush roll motor. Got one on ebay and lived happily ever after!
Sitting in a hospital room right now with a possible bad ticker at 38. Thanks for putting this stuff out, it really is taking my mind off of what might be happening to me right now.
I fixed vacuums for a living, dysons were the bane of my existence. If you asked Dyson to design the wheel it would have 187 moving parts, each part would be $220, it wouldn't roll as well as a normal wheel and it would wear out in the first year. And you would have to ship it across the country to get it fixed. Dyson is marketing wank plain and simple. With these handhelds, the boards go after about a year. You hold the trigger and it revs and stops, revs and stops. No way to fix it and the warranty on these guys is 2 years instead of their standard 5. Despite the hype, a good bagged vacuum will outlast a bagless every day of the week. If you have too much money and want something good buy a sebo or high end Miele. The other problem with Dyson is people believe the marketing wank and think they never have to maintain them at all so the (expensive) filters hardly ever get changed. Also, people think Dyson is some kind of genius but he designed a Venturi system to suck up dirt. You know, the kind of Venturi system that relies on clean passages for good flow. And there's no way to clean the venturis without taking out about 60 mini torx screws. Long and rambling, I know, but I needed to get that off my chest. TL:DR : Don't buy a fucking Dyson, they're 80% marketing, 20% quality.
There was a vacuum repair guy on reddit. He said the exact same thing. overrated, horrible to repair, nothing beats a well made bag-vac. Damned if Dyson isn't ever incredible at that there marketing wank, though.
Gogle Gogle I worked for a year fixing vacuums and I agree completely! I never fixed one myself because of how complex and fragile they are and the only reason my boss sold and serviced them at al was because that’s what the people want. But The Sebo is a great though and I only saw one come in for service in my short time in that line of work.
hey you Steep buy in for that, though. Have to buy a drill I don't really want. Cool form factor, though. I'm gonna buy a relatively inexpensive compact plunge saw instead. I only buy brushed tools that are corded now anyways.
Yeah, thank god he's not working with tree carcasses. They require more than just a shopvac. But machining metal never released any horrible allergens that need the chip-collectors and air-filters and dust-collectors and a shop-vac on top of all that.
I keep my worn out, used-for-everything, 10-year-old Karcher wet and dry shop vac for cleaning up. It screams, it howls. The hose is as much tape as hose due to cracking and wear. But Too much frustration using anything more subtle. I like a machine that will have a serious go at undoing any loose nuts and can hear that part you dropped rattle down the hose. :)
verdatum: Dust from grinding/cutting nickel-alloy metals can have you sneezing all day. Used to deal with that in the Navy shipyards way back when, during ship-alts or whatever. So some metals can be considered allergens.
I got me a genuine shop-vac brand mini vac that does alright, decent enough to do the jobs we're talking about here, and its not much bigger than a gallon of milk.
MINI-SAW! I hope he's a regular on the channel now. I'm still lookin for a good reason to waste the money on one. I don't think opening dyson hand held vacs is enough though
The key with they Dysons is to wait till the neighbor tosses one because they got it clogged with Easter grass and are to lazy to fix it. They are pretty easy to refurbish and have a robust parts supply chain. At least with the uprights.
Absolutely! I got two D40s out of neighbors' trash cans. Both clogged with pet hair. I cleaned them both and they work great. Now I've got one for the house and a spare waiting in the garage if i I need it!
The cyclonic separation in the Dyson works very similar to the way Uranium is enriched by gas centrifuge... The slight different in mass between u235 and u238 is enough so separate the isotopes. it just shows that basic engineering principles that work well get used in a wide range of applications
So happy to see you review this! I bought one last week for $156 Australian doll hairs. Nice to know it is somewhat craptacular, whereas the Black and Decker Dustbuster it replaced has now been transitioned to the art bin.
You'll be surprised how effective those vortex separators are. That puny filter has no trouble with the residual airflow. We have pets so the problem is never blockage it's just the STANK of minute doggie particles that need washing out, before there's any loss of suction.
Not the least bit surprised the little one got your approval. Our old yellow Dyson upright is still going strong after 15+ years, even after the motor being submerged for a few days in 6" of dirty water several years ago. Took it apart and dried it out and put it back together...good as ever.
The filter is pretty skooum though. I was watching one of AvEs vajios when the kid dumps a whole tub of paprika on the ground, only for the wife to suck the whole pile down the Dyson. It sounded like when it was hooked up to the vacuum gauge.. First filter cleaning in 3 years. Not Tee bag! Good job on the vids!
With a big pile of fine dust like that you want to go at it slower as too much sucked up at once will slow the cyclonic air speeds down to the degree they no longer work and fine dust can get pulled through into the filter. Other than that I love my various Dysons for what they are :)
thanks for taking it a-part so I don't have to do it to my wife's! measuring absolute vacuum against the dead stop is meaningless. My huge dust collector in woodworking shop will brobably produce even less gauge reading than milwakke, but it moves so much air, that it sucks assload through 4" hose. As for pleats and surface area of post filter - who cares as long as it doesn't get clogged and restrict the flow. It's there just to keep odd ballbearings that made it through the cyclone out. I have mobile dust station made with a shopvac connected though the small aliexpress cyclone cone I mounted on top of the 5 gal bucket. after three full buckets of finest sawdust from sanding, the pleated filter in the actual shopvac is still virgin clean. As long as you empty the cyclone before it overfills and burps it's contents to that last filter, it will stay clean.
Came out to my shop to clean it up and clean up the barn but dammit I threw the heat on grabbed a beverage and here I sit watching this channel...love seeing the shmooo fly and the smoke getting out... let her chooch!
Like Sanyo red. Google Sanyo 1300mAh, -> Sanyo UR18650SA here you go. 1300mAh and the discharge graph tell you they are LiMn2O4 cells, self balancing so they can cheap out on balancing. What do you want more :D
I'm glad I'm not the only one who had a heck of a time getting into the battery compartment. We have the older Shark model, and it's real handy if you have kids -- you can suck up the Legos with the cereal and pick the Lego pieces out afterwards. However, he have had the primary motor, batteries, and spinning brushy attachment motor all die, but were all replaced for free by Dyson. It's not a replacement for a real vacuum cleaner, but it does allow you to hit the hot spots and not have to vacuum as much. If you have kids and can find one of the little Dysons on sale, it's worth the money in my opinion.
Have used Dysons way past their design limits for some time now. The filter is primarily there for when you don't empty the bin or block the airflow completely. The cyclone collapses and everything goes straight through. If you're sucking up really fine concrete dust (I was using it to extract from a homemade diamond slab grinder), the bottoms of the cones will get slightly eaten away. It's still a really nice design, but it is not too forgiving of actual work - some people like to shove their implement as far into the surface they want cleaned - which is not how these things work best. Nice teardown, felt for you when the wires went sproing.
I've got one of these, very happy with it - it does seem to work as it says on the box. The brushless DC motor does seem oomphier than the competition.
In Loudspeaker design, you use an Aluminium or Plastic support structure (Basket) to reduce flux leakage suck off from the magnet. I used to measure anything up to 10% flux density loss in the magnetic gap for the voice coil when ever the same magnet structure was used with a pressed metal (iron) housing structure. I'd suggest the reason that Dyson may have used a plastic housing structure may very well be for the same reason George
That's the second Dyson video I've seen from you where it's 90% attack and 10% appreciation - followed by the product then proving itself to be well up to scratch! I'm glad you did the vacuum gauge test as that showed its true colours! :) Dyson said himself that he got into making these by seeing an industrial cyclone and wondering how he could make it smaller, well worth looking up the back story for a read.
Dysons cost way the electric hell too much. They suck. I mean, they're designed to suck. But they don't do it well enough for the price! Gimme a Riccar or a Filter Queen any day of the week.
My experience with Dyson was more positive but after 5 years of use. I had to service all the HEPA filters for replacement and the beater bearing and brush plastic melted. It would get filled each use 4 people 2 cats and lots of traffic. I received as a gift. It retailed for 600 plus. It was better than any upright Hoover or Eureka. I would replace those every year. My favorite is still my great grandmas Kirby Stainless with 60 plus years the only fix was the plug and light bulb. Today the new Kirbys are all plastic. So there is room for niche home appliances that can be rebuildable. The wife loved the Dyson ball we had even after trying to repair which they get you on the filters and brushes. Get a central vac industrial strength. Vacuums work well when engineered well.
Dysons like this deliberately pulsate when turned on and no air flow, so the pulsations while you tried to measure vacuum are normal. Like you said, the most important issue is airflow. Mine caught a big piece of crud that blocked the pipe into the cyclone cylinder. Otherwise, it works great.
I have to say, I have one of these, best gadget ever. Used all the time and is way better than an old style vacuum (with the long attachment) weighs nothing and works as well in most circumstances. Expensive though.
Baby Dyson animal really works. Only downside is battery life. So after using it for a week, and finding that I rarely needed the full size vacuum, I simply bought a few extra batteries. Cordless tools? Cordless vacuum too. Lithium batteries, baby! Oh, get an additional extension and flexi hose, and you can vacuum the whole room without ever getting off the chair!
Watching AvE everydAy is like having Deathpool tv series. And we can't thank you enough for the entertainment and the education you manage to drill into our soft heads
20:40 - "Despite looking like an aborted, Ridley Scott, opium den pipe dream..." Sweet Cheeseless Crust! I nearly splattered my screen with schmoo on that one!
The filter doesn't actually get clogged up quickly because the cyclone catches most of the stuff so the filter has much less work to do. I don't have a Dyson so cannot say for sure but I do have a 10 year old Samsung 1600 watt vacuum with a simpler looking cyclone and a similar size filter. The filter is much smaller but corrugated ending up with about the same surface area. The filter lasts the equivalent of two or three bags of my previous bag vacuum before I need to wash it, which is something that doesn't take much effort as it has only very fine dust which seems to simply dissolve out under warm running tap water. I have only needed to replace the filter once in 10 years after it had eventually accumulated some undissolvable muck as well as some perforations.
I found a junked upright dyson by the dumpster and ripped the cyclone out of it to re-use as a "prefilter" for a steel-bodied porter cable shop vac I got at the goodwill for only 12 ameribux. Just had to re-center the pin that opens the dirt release gate for emptying it. Now all I have to do is slap some hoses on it and we'll be in business. It's amazing what people throw away because they're too afraid to try to fix something.
Helicopters sometimes use centrifugal separators smaller than this but in mass. So like a few hundred small holes that have swirl vanes to induce the vorticity.
I gotta ask AVE why a home grade vac for the shop especially a metal working shop like yours? I mean you can get a shop vac for 50-200 bucks that will be wet/dry and do everything that you need from heavy aluminum chips to sucking out the septic tank? just curious
ontheEDGE Those mini Dysons may be 90% marketing wank but they do chooch and they’re so fucking convenient. Pick it up, suck it up, put it back. No plugging shit in and dragging hoses around. Don’t know how long it’ll last in a metal shop but mine is 3 years old now and as well as normal domestic stuff it happily sucks up dead tree carcasses, brick dust, plaster dust and whatever other mess I make. The plaster dust clogs the filter, but you can just wash it out and you’re back in business.
I saw that the filter was marked with a running tap. Assumed that meant it was washable. Seems I was right for once. I do like that it's just one filter. I've seen a cyclone vac with no less than three filters. First a sponge filter to catch the most of the fine dust that made it out of the cyclone, then a charcoal filter because???, and finally a HEPA filter that still was clean as new after three years. Kind of felt that was way over the top, and that charcoal filter was a hog. Cut the airflow by something like 75%.
They work when new, but they don't have some of the little details like the dyson. Strange things can kill them and their batteries are run hard. Good vacuum, but those batteries will die fast if you don't take great care of them.
A lot of Dyson stuff is a waste of time but their handheld vacs are genuinely good. So much more power and battery life than anything else. Design is a bit awkward - it's so bulky that it lacks the nooks and crannies convenience of some handhelds - but it's great for most small jobs. Had mine five years and it's still working perfectly.
I'd really like to see you compare similar Dyson and Shark vacuums as they used to do in Shark commercials. My dad fell for Shark's marketing and got one, and I have to admit that it does work better than his old vacuum, but I'd like to see if the Dyson is even better without ponying up the legal tender myself.
I can't get over how cheap the shark products look though. Maybe my thoughts will change after looking into them, but on looks alone I couldn't buy one.
They are really quite solid. My dad has had his for a year and a half and he's hard on his appliances. It's still going strong, nothing has broken, and it's just now coming time to replace the washable filters. We all have multiple pets, and it gets a lot more hair and dust out of the carpet than the other name brand vacuums we have had, although, as I said before, we've not tried a Dyson yet.
I got the DC65 animal upright and DC34 hand vac for $600 almost 5 years ago. The filter on the hand vac may look tiny, but it never clogs. Both are running just as perfect as the day I got them. Known that a product will actually do what it's designed to do is worth every penny. The hand vac can suck up crap without being directly over it, and the upright easily picks up 5-10x more dirt than any other vacuum I've used without slowing down.
I own one of these cordless Dysons for quite some time now. Interestingly the filter never gets really dirty. What happens is it catches quite a bit of gritty sand-sized stuff but the fine powder dust doesn't seem to ever get to it. I suspect this was a compromise they had to make to fit this into the size they did. I hear bigger Dysons have much better separation.
*You made a mistake in the way you tested the suck!* You should have poked a hole or even a few holes in the tape, because the Mefucky sucky has an impeller that has very large tolerances, it's designed to provide suck through airflow, using the speed of the air itself to create a pressure differential at the mouth (Bernoulli's). So it sucks at sucking if it's obstructed because the air can just pass right by the impeller, it doesn't create a vacuum per say just a pressure differential with the surrounding air. In the Diesoon, the impeller is of the turbocharger type and has less than a milimeter of dead space around it, so it's good at creating an actual vacuum inside of it rather than just at the mouth. In actual use the Diesoon is better for heavy, larger particles because it can do the lifting, whilst the Milfucky will be better for dust and small, light particles because of the airflow. In fact if you test the airflow at the exaust it might beat the Diesoon. P.S. If you keep on using this fucking cute ass lill'chainsaw on video I'm gonna end up buying one. Stop now whilst the bulge in my jeans is still visible. My pocket bulge. From all the pennies.
I want Dyson to make a hand held version of the air-blade hand dryer you see at nicer restaurant and Costco. Hand held air-blade for drying yourself off after a shower sans mold infested towel. I'd say you should fab an attachment for the hair dryer 9000 but didn't that thing end up in the art bin by way of the blendtec?
$250 for some, literally, sucky plastic, no thanks. I'd rather spend it down at the old rub and tug factory.(Not to be confused with the rug and tub factory)
One problem that I have see occur with the multiple cyclones of the Dyson vacuum cleaners is that they seem to silt up and loose there effectiveness. They can be cleaned by using a shop compressor and an air gun with a long probe to blow through each of the cyclones. But be ready for the cloud of dust that comes out. I was advised by a Dyson service tech that when emptying the cleaner that you should slap the side of the body of the cyclone, to help knock loose this dust that blocks up the smaller cyclones in the cleaner.
When you're testing vacuum pressure, isn't sealing off the end with a tiny hole a flawed test? I would assume without air flowing through the impeller, it can't generate a good enough vacuum pressure, right? Just like when you stick your hand over the vacuum, you can hear the RPMs increase because its no longer moving air. Am I thinking about that wrong?
I have a vacuum test gauge, goes to 160 inches water column, (auto motive mercury gauges not enough resolution for impeller type vacuums for my liking) and an anemometer. The vacuum gauge completely covers the intake, the vacuum won't move air with the gauge fully blocking the intake, that is correct, but, it also builds up its strongest suction, and the gauge moves accordingly. Instead of air being drawn in the fill the low pressure, as air is displaced by the impeller, the internal on the gauge is moved. When you stick your hand over the vacuum, you feel the suction. Even though no air is flowing, your hand is still stuck there till you pry it away.
Indeed Spaceman Rick. Pressure (or partial vacuum which is neg pressure) are from resistance TO flow. If there is no resistance to flow there will be no pressure. Works in a very similar way with electricity too. Voltage being analogous to pressure, current to flow and resistance to flow unsurprisingly resistance.
Just be aware that these things are not good with drywall compound dust. They'll still chooch afterwards, but as you pointed out and a client of mine found out, the filter is pretty horrible. Blowing out drywall dust from the motor assembly (despite the filter) tells me that the Shopvac is where's it's at and where it'll always be at.
We've had half a dozen Dyson hand helds in use for the last 6 years or so. Day in day out metal swarf, wood chippings, rubble from drilling brick and concrete. Hard bastards they are, one is a bit flakey due to a warn trigger. The rest are solid. Bought one for the other half happily.
One of those lasted GF 2 weeks (and that was one who "never" cleaned btw). Hoovered some baking soda of the carpet, that killed the fucker. Took the thing apart and pretty much the entire motor controller had gone (Dyson, ever heard of conformal coating?!). It's an over hyped fancy glamour girls accessory, it has nothing related to getting real work done even less of a place in a workshop.
I was hoping you were going to do a review of Dyson's cordless vac with the "digital" motor they claim took them 8 yrs to engineer... www.dyson.com/vacuum-cleaners/cordless/engineering-story.aspx
when checking the suction the motor is not under high load. in fact, it is less than under normal operating conditions. without air being sucked in, the impeller / fan just whips up the air and the air just goes around in circles with the impeller. this is less of a load then having to take relatively slow moving air and get it moving up to speed. what is likely happening is that the motor being under little load is over speeding and the controller is trying to limit it
Love your videos, but I have the modern Dyson v7 fullsize.. (Got it on sale). I reckon its one of the best gadgets in my house. I dont know much about the innards of it, but it's changed my life - I get asked to vacuum, and it's quick and effective, there's no cord and its pretty light. (Maybe that's why they went with the plastic housing). The corded hoover has been replaced, the Dyson is now our main vacuum. They're probably overpriced, but for keeping the wife happy, Im very happy with it. For everyone else - dont judge it until you've tried living with one.
Had a similar version in bits dozens of times. The power getting to the head is the weak point. Whether it is dust and dirt getting between the contacts, the board burning out and not providing power, or on the flexi head, the small wires rubbing away till they break as it it twists back and forth in use.
The reason why the motor on the attachment is rated for 16 volts while the batteries are 22 volts is because it regulates the voltage down to 16 volts so that you don't lose suction was the batteries drain. Once the regulator is unable to maintain a 16 volt output, it shuts off and the battery is considered dead.
I have a dyson handheld that I got for $10 on Craigslist. It is truly amazing. The lithium battery was on its last legs but I used it for a year until the battery completely died. I got a new larger amperage battery on Ebay and the thing is like new. This thing is almost as powerful for most small clean up jobs as a full size machine and so much easier to use. Every company makes some bad items for sure.
