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"It is not known why the pulling cable snapped." 

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Tragic? Yes.
Accident? NO!
"...he had left a fork-shaped bracket on the cable car’s emergency brake to disable it because it kept locking on..."
Likely, the emergency brakes were dragging and the wire rope was periodically overloaded.

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@markkrafcky
@markkrafcky 3 года назад
Nobody outranks Sergeant Safety except Major Negligence.
@ProlificInvention
@ProlificInvention 3 года назад
BAM
@erowidoz
@erowidoz 3 года назад
Never forget General Stupidity.
@ProlificInvention
@ProlificInvention 3 года назад
@@erowidoz Double fuckin BAM
@b3nz0r12
@b3nz0r12 3 года назад
@@ProlificInvention Yo dont forget about Petty Officer Incompetent who was recently employed to tick the diversity of employee box.
@georgecroney6168
@georgecroney6168 3 года назад
@@ProlificInvention thankyou ma'am
@alfredoprime5495
@alfredoprime5495 3 года назад
"... the standards are essentially all the same: they are all written in blood" Very powerful and true statement
@HH60gPaveHawk
@HH60gPaveHawk 3 года назад
Blood and lawsuits. The trick is identifying which caused the writing of the standard
@stephenwoods4118
@stephenwoods4118 3 года назад
Yes like the FARS which are written in blood and bent and broken airframes.
@cgirl111
@cgirl111 3 года назад
This is a common saying in the aviation community.
@coopkink
@coopkink 3 года назад
This definitely spoke to me being an ME
@peterhoulihan9766
@peterhoulihan9766 3 года назад
Either the blood spilled before they were written, or the blood spilled by them. Don't blindly trust the standards, they're not always written to protect you.
@bluecat2991
@bluecat2991 3 года назад
"The standards are written in blood." I couldn't have said it better myself.
@ScarletFlames1
@ScarletFlames1 3 года назад
In the army we had a rule about proper positioning around APC's when they're being prepped for repairs or finished up. One of those includes "not shoving your hand into a turret mount while the electrical system is connected no matter what" We even got the recording of the screams of horror and pain of the person who didn't follow that rule. Also had a coroner report for the guy that pulled open a drop-down back door of an APC. It mostly read "shattered piece of XYZ" or "Shredded piece of (presumes) XYZ". That gets people to really respect the rules.
@Luke_______
@Luke_______ 3 года назад
@@ScarletFlames1 Had a tanker buddy once tell me about a rule they have about keeping all extremities away from the breach when its loaded, apparently one guy thought his phone was more important then that rule. He had been recording with his phone and had dropped it after he had just loaded a round and bent down to grab it without thinking then WAM. The pictures look like somebody took a 2000lbs bat to the dudes head or what was left of it anyway. Rules are definitely written in blood
@Luke_______
@Luke_______ 3 года назад
@@ts757arse They always do..
@evanleebodies
@evanleebodies 3 года назад
Anyone who poo poos Health and Safety regulation should remember this
@johndias6614
@johndias6614 2 года назад
"THERE ARE NO ACCIDENTS!" These were the first words the instructor said when I took the OSHA safety class in college. The instructor introduced her self, reached behind the desk, pulled out a huge, thick book and slammed it down on the table and said "there are thousands of safety rules written in this book. The one thing they have in common is they are all written in blood." Hundreds of pages (probably over a thousand). Then she asked someone to call out a page number and she read the safety rule. This went on for 15-20 minutes. Her next comment was "The majority of these accidents were due to lack of common sense". Her final comment that began the discussion was there are no accidents... every accident is preventable". We then picked apart 25 or so accidents that each of us had seen or been involved in. This happened...why? Because of this...why? Because this... why? She took every single example and reverse engineered it to its beginning and where it started and how it could have been prevented. Lazy maintenance workers cut corners, lack of common sense, goofing around, lack of observation, complacency, poor housekeeping, improper use of tools or equipment... the list goes on. In the following weeks we studied so many scenarios... every single one could have been prevented or by using proper safety equipment and PPE the outcome would have been different and someone would not have been injured or lost their lives.
@WHSHAFT
@WHSHAFT 3 года назад
I had an ole' timer once tell me "Even if someone has been doing something for 30 years doesn't mean they have been doing it right!" I still apply it to my job.. and it still holds true
@jcunningham8041
@jcunningham8041 3 года назад
This is the principal at work in Alberta, where everyone learns to drive at 14, but their driving skills only degrade after passing the road test.
@TacDyne
@TacDyne 3 года назад
This reminded me of something said of a so called expert. "There's a big difference between twenty years experience and one year of experience twenty years ago".
@noyb7920
@noyb7920 3 года назад
Another one I like, "Do you have 30 years of experience, or 1 year of experience 30 times in a row?"
@Monstrick1
@Monstrick1 3 года назад
That is the fault in his "never seen that happen before" argument, then he needs someone to fall to their deaths at least once to learn that it CAN happen. Idiotic logic. People have imagination and foresight for a reason.
@danceswithferrets
@danceswithferrets 3 года назад
I've left several jobs because of the phrase "we've always done it this way." Just not worth arguing with that mindset especially when safety is involved.
@shawnbrynelson5333
@shawnbrynelson5333 3 года назад
I completely trust the engineering behind the cables, but I have a hard time trusting the people in charge of its upkeep. So sad.
@SocietyIsDoomed
@SocietyIsDoomed 3 года назад
Pretty sure those cables fail from the inside out. A couple strands get rusty and start to fail. Then a major accident happens.
@tyrannosaurusimperator
@tyrannosaurusimperator 3 года назад
@@SocietyIsDoomed I've done tensile testing on a couple of cables. They all failed when one of the outside strands gave up.
@shawnbrynelson5333
@shawnbrynelson5333 3 года назад
@@SocietyIsDoomed I would have thought the outer wires would be the first to go since they'd be under the most compression/tension when they change direction.
@FUBARguy107
@FUBARguy107 3 года назад
This sums up my take on rollercoasters. I appreciate them and the technology put into them but I do not trust the maintenance.
@mccellenlol4163
@mccellenlol4163 3 года назад
@@GermanTopGameTV Wow. Sounds like a George Carlin quote. Essentially, Carlin stated government doesn’t want and educated free thinking society. It wants a society just smart/educated enough to keep the machines running. If I added to that it would be, “And appropriately replaceable with enough speed that no one notices.”
@arcadeuk
@arcadeuk 3 года назад
Jesus, he disabled the brakes in 2014. That's a long time playing accident roulette and thinking your number will never come up
@johnmartin1114
@johnmartin1114 3 года назад
2014 WOW that is incredulous
@berthuggins8042
@berthuggins8042 3 года назад
The elevators in my office get annual inspections. I can’t believe there are not bus loads of inspectors for every conceivable form of transport in a EU country. It boggles the mind this could go unnoticed for so long.
@danwhiffen9235
@danwhiffen9235 3 года назад
In fairness, you only need a seat belt during an accident. Terrible situation and should always be a sobering reminder for engineers.
@steampunkskunk3638
@steampunkskunk3638 3 года назад
2014..... Wow. So did inspectors never try and test the emergency brakes at least once during all those years? It's safe to conclude that the inspectors either. * Did not do their job properly... Or * Knew the brakes were disabled and failed to report it.
@wmd240sx
@wmd240sx 3 года назад
@@steampunkskunk3638 or the maintenance guy removed the calapers every time the inspector came round.
@jfhorn
@jfhorn 3 года назад
"WORST-CASE SCENARIOS ARE ALWAYS CONSIDERED UNLIKELY" If you’re an analyst/mechanic/manager responsible for warning or risk management, remember that when you paint the most dangerous scenarios as worst-case, you make it easier for the decision-maker to dismiss them. Use language like "most-consequential" and not "worst-case."
@devinmahoney3777
@devinmahoney3777 3 года назад
It’s sad to think of all the men whose blood and sweat went into building that thing which included (among thousands of design elements) designing, building and installing a brake feature that was, decades later, disabled for negligent reasons. Hard work disgraced. Pride lost for foolish reasons.
@07Flash11MRC
@07Flash11MRC 2 года назад
It didn't happen just recently that the brakes have been disabled. Part of my family have worked for different companies (to make sure the owners of the cable cars are sticking to proper safety procedures etc.) in the Alpes and they can vouch that that has been common practise since (at least) the 1970s. In the capitalist system it just isn't profitable enough to keep the brakes on at all times. Why? Because whenever the wind is too strong or something else happens, that is out of a human's control like the weather, the (very sensible) brakes already intervene and it angers the greedy owners. Caring about humans isn't profitable, but using humans as cannonfodder sure is.
@travisgray6983
@travisgray6983 3 года назад
"You don't need to be a hero, just follow the fucking rules." That is a really great statement.
@renners9636
@renners9636 3 года назад
Don't need any rules to realise the actions here were stupid.
@haydenhull5761
@haydenhull5761 3 года назад
I liked that saying I'm having it made into a sticker and placed on the shop door for my employees
@Laugh1ngboy
@Laugh1ngboy 3 года назад
Safety Third.
@Muadddibb
@Muadddibb 3 года назад
That's a very dangerous statement...
@jeffmirza2893
@jeffmirza2893 3 года назад
@@andrevdm6406 i agree to an extent, but this was not the doing of a youngster. Quite the contrary. So perhaps your perspective is worth reconsidering. Or just chalk it up to an ‘exception’ and continue living in the ignorance of generalizations.
@alabama7636
@alabama7636 3 года назад
“Foolproof systems do not take into account the ingenuity of fools”
@ProlificInvention
@ProlificInvention 3 года назад
BAM
@ProlificInvention
@ProlificInvention 3 года назад
*AvE*
@0num4
@0num4 3 года назад
I've heard it as "every time a foolproof thing is designed, a better fool comes along"
@888johnmac
@888johnmac 3 года назад
@@0num4 .. yeah , thats the phrase i was going to put here
@charredskeleton
@charredskeleton 3 года назад
Right they ALWAYS invent a better fool. It NEVER ends.
@CorwynGC
@CorwynGC 3 года назад
"I need that order in writing." Words to live by.
@daves.software
@daves.software 3 года назад
I don't care if it's in writing or not. I still wouldn't deliberately disable safety equipment. I would quit before I did that.
@CorwynGC
@CorwynGC 3 года назад
@@daves.software It rarely gets to that point. When it is clear you are asking them to take responsibility they flinch.
@erithanis
@erithanis 3 года назад
@DavidSharp also expecting its the responsibility of the guy at the bottom of the pyramid to quit as the solution is no solution at all. Right or not people will chose to feed their family over yours when push comes to shove. The incentives need to involve the higher ups. It is their responsibility to verify the working conditions are such that safety can be maintained as much as it is the workers to follow the safety guidelines. The liabilty needs to go further up the chain than it currently does in practice.
@riccardo1796
@riccardo1796 3 года назад
In Italy the CEO or founder of the company is ultimately responsible for safety He can delegate the execution, but not the responsibility The other people involved should only get the equivalent of aiding and abetting
@rberkar6669
@rberkar6669 3 года назад
I have stopped two "orders" that way! They do that so they look good that production started again, but when things go sideways you are left holding the bag!
@Oddman1980
@Oddman1980 3 года назад
SO many deadly accidents, from Challenger to Chernobyl, caused by management saying "Do it anyway". This is just one more example.
@thewhitefalcon8539
@thewhitefalcon8539 3 года назад
On the other hand, 99% of times they say "do it anyway" it goes perfectly fine. So it's not that simple.
@rufiorogue
@rufiorogue 3 года назад
@@thewhitefalcon8539 If you always cross the road on red light, 99 times out of 100 you may get through alive too.
@Lukas_Seidl_1
@Lukas_Seidl_1 3 года назад
Yeah maybe that was the case but you're a terrible tech if you do it anyways just because management told you to.
@BlastinRope
@BlastinRope 3 года назад
On the flip side, you can't learn to fly heaps of metal or fake landing men on the moon without at least some "do it anyway"
@valvodka
@valvodka 2 года назад
do you know that maintenance techs said there was an issue and were told not to repair it? do you?
@babyeatingpsychopath
@babyeatingpsychopath 3 года назад
As someone who just got hired by a facility with significant amounts of deferred maintenance: nothing is more permanent than a quick fix to get back in production.
@benzranger1425
@benzranger1425 3 года назад
I think I heard it from uncle bumblefuck himself, "nothing is more permanent than a temporary solution that works."
@TheDz1991
@TheDz1991 3 года назад
@@benzranger1425"... then a bodge that works. " my favourite of his bumble fuckery.
@vripscript
@vripscript 3 года назад
what company? your part of the problem if you keep your mouth shut
@bradhaines3142
@bradhaines3142 3 года назад
@@vripscript basically every company works that way
@cablekiller
@cablekiller 3 года назад
This is unfortunately the case in IT as well.
@RadRob84
@RadRob84 3 года назад
A friend of mine was the safety inspector at a theme park years ago, he shut down a coaster because it was unsafe. The park fired and replaced him and a week later the coaster went off the rails. Profit > Safety
@nutbastard
@nutbastard 3 года назад
I worked as a ride operator for a summer, and thankfully they took safety really seriously. Every day before opening an engineer would inspect each ride. Then the manager would inspect every ride in their section. Then the ride operator(s) would perform a third inspection. Shout out to Oaks Park outside of Portland OR.
@Delibro
@Delibro 3 года назад
@Rob Stop It: Your right, and that's where the government go in and talk some words. And we all if we get to notice things like that.
@chadlucier
@chadlucier 3 года назад
Thank you AVE. We appreciate your common sense approach to engineering , and life.
@Phixx3r
@Phixx3r 3 года назад
Italy has a ton of government. How corrupt it is might be a different story. I completely agree with Ave. This management and if their government gives final oversight then they're management.
@Phixx3r
@Phixx3r 3 года назад
@@nutbastard fun times grew up outside of there. Been there plenty. Good to know.
@-.._.-_...-_.._-..__..._.-.-.-
@-.._.-_...-_.._-..__..._.-.-.- 3 года назад
Disabling the breaks seems to be at the level of criminal negligence, like drinking and driving, and those responsible should be tried for manslaughter.
@Rocker-1234
@Rocker-1234 3 года назад
exactly! just like in plane crashes when airlines are caught cutting corners and it leads to a fatal accident they get charged for it same should be happening with the maintenance crew or at the verry least the company running the cable cars
@SarahC2
@SarahC2 3 года назад
AFTER the emergency breaks had broken many strands in the rope!
@VonSchpam
@VonSchpam 3 года назад
This whole situation with the brakes sounds like when someone replaces a fuse with a bigger fuse, then finally wraps the fuse in foil, because the circuit keeps popping fuses. The brakes dragging was a symptom of a maintenance problem, not the source and cause of the problem.
@imgoodaswell9558
@imgoodaswell9558 3 года назад
@Pimp My Ditch Witch have you really seen people do this?
@Narcan885
@Narcan885 3 года назад
@@imgoodaswell9558 Haven't you? People also tie up the emergency levers that requires constant pulling to not stop the action on lawnmovers, chainsaws and logs splitters all the time.
@imgoodaswell9558
@imgoodaswell9558 3 года назад
@@Narcan885 have not. My mower has a mulcher. No need to prop anything up or tie down the propeller lever.
@thomasstuart6861
@thomasstuart6861 3 года назад
A friend of mine had a new car under warranty and the turn signals blew the fuse. Garage looked at several times and shrugged. We wrapped the fuse in tin foil and burnt out the entire wire harness....then they fixed it.
@richtes
@richtes 3 года назад
@@Narcan885 I had an old Sabre lawn tractor that I put a big wire tie around the seat sensor. There was no way to get on and off it other than shut it off. That doesn't work with a leaf vac with the garbage can you have to empty every row. The battery died before I got very far. The newer X500 I have now lets you engage the parking brake and hop on and off (the brake also turns off the blades). So sometimes the safety is so badly designed it's useless. Not the case with the cable car, but poorly designed safeties are more likely to be disabled than well designed.
@RossLH
@RossLH 3 года назад
I've watched enough AvE to know that whenever mining is mentioned, there's about 6 seconds before Wilhelm Albert is name dropped.
@mattjc
@mattjc 3 года назад
The chain and steel cable on the bench were foreshadowing.
@SerbanCMusca
@SerbanCMusca 3 года назад
And eventually a mention is made to the first profession of'em all.
@thesilvershield5555
@thesilvershield5555 3 года назад
I got excited thinking ooh were gonna hear about that one smart guy again
@kaylor87
@kaylor87 3 года назад
Yupppp 😂 I knew the metal fatigue spiel was coming! It's such a great bit of knowledge to be aware of! AvE, you're saving lives man!
@Nitroburner01
@Nitroburner01 3 года назад
@@Cheepchipsable and prevent the rise of ocean levels due to global warming
@TheBigdawg441
@TheBigdawg441 3 года назад
Bypassing the e-brake is nothing less than gross negligence. The consequences of their actions were fully understood when doing so.
@Bacteriophagebs
@Bacteriophagebs 3 года назад
Agreed. Gross negligence is very hard to prove, legally, but deliberately disabling a lifesaving emergency system does fall into that category.
@TheBigdawg441
@TheBigdawg441 3 года назад
@@Bacteriophagebs Installing a maintenance tool to circumvent the safety system is pretty cut and dry IMO
@MrAlekoy
@MrAlekoy 3 года назад
Since 2014 none the less. Even looks like they bothered to paint the lockouts red while they were installed...
@Calligraphybooster
@Calligraphybooster 3 года назад
I would not call something done intentionally ‘negligence’ which is ‘not to do something’ (but English is not mijn moedertaal).
@Wallyworld30
@Wallyworld30 3 года назад
@@Calligraphybooster They neglected the safety for the passengers. They put in some effort even to ensure it was neglected which is criminal.
@MsThekiller02
@MsThekiller02 3 года назад
I am Italian, I can tell the news are all over this horrible event. I feel absolutely disgusted by the sheer negligence and stupidity.
@lolilollolilol7773
@lolilollolilol7773 3 года назад
it's right up there with the wreck of the Costa Concordia
@salimufari
@salimufari 3 года назад
I LOVE these talks on safety or standards. They give me ammo to bring into contract talks regarding maintenance scheduling. As well as justification for making management follow through on time sensitive work orders & requisitions.
@domesday1535
@domesday1535 3 года назад
even if everything looks okay, when the thing named "emergency" is broken, it's an emergency. aka shut everything down
@richardbrobeck2384
@richardbrobeck2384 3 года назад
for sure!
@dogg755
@dogg755 3 года назад
seems so simple when you say it, sounds like a grey area if you mention it to management
@cosmonauteable9151
@cosmonauteable9151 3 года назад
@@dogg755 Never comply to management when you know the dangers. Ever. Even if you're fired you will be fired with a clean conscience.
@ramblincapuchin9075
@ramblincapuchin9075 3 года назад
@@rogerborg I can't wrap my head around this "too big to fail" approach to the corporate world You're looking through the same lense as described in the video- the comodifying and dehumanizing of the individual You may never again work in system that pays out six figures, but as an able bodied human being there is always a path to proactive behavior. You find people to work with/for who have the same outlook when it comes to doing the right thing
@jannikheidemann3805
@jannikheidemann3805 3 года назад
@@rogerborg That is why people who blow the whistle on serious issues need to be protected from being fired for doing so.
@DariointheWorkshop
@DariointheWorkshop 3 года назад
This "accident" has had a strong impact on all of us here in Italy. Heartbreak: yes. Surprise: no. And that's very sad in itself. We've had countless "accidents" on infrastructure over the years. This one, as well as the bridge collapse in Genoa, just to name another. All of these events have the same underlying cause: WILLFUL lack of proper maintenance. They knew the strands in the Genoa bridge were corroded, they knew the brakes were faulty on this aerial tramway, they knew the track was faulty when a train derailed a couple years back. Like AvE would say, IT NEVER ENDS. I am disgusted.
@TheDutchShepherd
@TheDutchShepherd 3 года назад
@ChimneyOnADustbin and the link is?
@stephenw2992
@stephenw2992 3 года назад
As much as I love Italians and Greeks, they love to cut corners on everything.
@creativecredence850
@creativecredence850 3 года назад
@ChimneyOnADustbin ahahaha! He was asking for the _hyper_ link, not the link between your comment and Dario's. "What is the link for this documentary you are recommending?" is the way to phrase it.
@alanmumford8806
@alanmumford8806 3 года назад
@@TheDutchShepherd Google is your friend. Even if only this one time!
@MrJest2
@MrJest2 3 года назад
@@stephenw2992 It's a friggin' *lifestyle* there. Top to bottom.
@jazhar1111
@jazhar1111 3 года назад
This is such an important video. Every engineering school, or mechanical trade school should have to watch this before starting in the field. Good stuff
@nerdlydood
@nerdlydood 3 года назад
you know he's serious when he doesn't even utter the word "enginerd"
@dr_jaymz
@dr_jaymz 3 года назад
The thing is for every occurrence like this there are 10 that are unseen, undiscovered just waiting...
@MattBrownbill
@MattBrownbill 3 года назад
We have a 'near miss' book at work, for anonymous reporting of such things, luckily there are very few.
@dr_jaymz
@dr_jaymz 3 года назад
@@MattBrownbill there's a reason there are so few. Unfortunately, covering up mistakes and liability tends to hinder these. You never see entries like 'found safety cable just had one thread left, suggest check more often.'. That's why we tend to have to write it in blood. The other thing is, things get found on inspections and I think most of the time people don't realise the significance - IF a series of events had lined up. For example, a paperclip falling into a keyboard in a subway control office could set of a chain of events leading to a dozen deaths.
@gromett
@gromett 3 года назад
The anger in your voice at the sheer incompetence and the unnecessary deaths was striking. Informative as ever. Thanks AvE.
@justinandrade2299
@justinandrade2299 3 года назад
@@MichaelOfRohan Agreed. (Assuming you're not being sarcastic) Isn't it sad that when somebody speaks properly, we notice it and feel the need to bring it up?
@Chippy_777
@Chippy_777 3 года назад
@@justinandrade2299 I agree, but he managed to sound Uber smart
@dlewis9760
@dlewis9760 3 года назад
@@Chippy_777 Because he is. I don't think most of us would be here if we didn't believe that.
@patmx5
@patmx5 3 года назад
Damn. That was some truly horrific negligence. I can't even begin to imagine the stark terror those poor passengers must have felt for the few seconds it was going downhill. Heads should roll for that dereliction of maintenance. They're called emergency brakes for a reason - purposely _locking them out_ for other than a brief test is unforgivable.
@belverdemotorsports2410
@belverdemotorsports2410 3 года назад
They apparently went downhill for 20 something seconds... they had all the time to realize what was happening.
@danwhiffen9235
@danwhiffen9235 3 года назад
Negligence is not the right word. Criminality.
@d.t.4523
@d.t.4523 3 года назад
Kharma will exact it's price on them.
@JohnDoe-tx8eu
@JohnDoe-tx8eu 3 года назад
@@d.t.4523 that's about as effective as "thoughts and prayers"
@dangerrangerlstc
@dangerrangerlstc 3 года назад
Invent something foolproof and the world invents a better fool. Could have put every stop gap and interlock in place and someone will have been told to bypass it.
@r.logiacco
@r.logiacco 3 года назад
Being Italian I appreciated your lack of words anytime you tried to dig down into the rabbit hole.... there's no word to describe it. Thanks mate
@md8651
@md8651 3 года назад
When a Yosemite National Park ranger was recently asked why it was so tough to design a bear-proof garbage bin, he responded, “There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.”
@addictedtoskiing27
@addictedtoskiing27 3 года назад
As an aircraft mechanic, this makes my stomach turn. When you have a job that involves repairing vehicles that transport multiple souls, there should never be a shortcut to get work done.
@vincenttrigg4521
@vincenttrigg4521 3 года назад
The problem lies where people think it's fine if something happens to someone else as long as it wasn't them
@kurthanson4106
@kurthanson4106 3 года назад
When I was a young guy in the service, working as a mechanic, I recall hearing a Captain give a safety briefing prior to a lot of equipment being moved into a new hangar. He said simply that "There's nothing in this entire building worth a human finger". That stuck with me, and has allowed me to enjoy a lucrative career working with construction equipment, primarily on aerial work platforms. Just keeping what he said in mind became the very strong work ethic that I've developed, something I've had to defend when confronted about repair costs, and I've even gone so far as to my refuse to perform sub-standard work on a variety of aerials and earthmoving equipment. And I sleep well at night because of it.
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 3 года назад
I've spent the last few months studying like hell for all the IPAF exams, and I'm a late comer :-) All the training 'Saftey, Saftey. Saftey' Get to site, Cost, Cost , Cost. I can se how young guys get browbeaten.
@Justowner
@Justowner 3 года назад
@@51WCDodge Ask for it in writing, or hit them with the osha legal requirements
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 3 года назад
@@Justowner Fine, You put it in writing,.The ultimate detterent to management :-) But I'm old and evil. It's the young straight from college or university, out to prove themselves ones are the danger.
@marceldemir7514
@marceldemir7514 3 года назад
I'm in the fire safety industry. When the boss doesn't listen I email him my view respectfully asking him to reconsider. It's worked at least twice.
@HDL_CinC_Dragon
@HDL_CinC_Dragon 3 года назад
Thank you for caring about your incredibly important job. I think the worst part for people in safety and inspections related work who care and take it seriously in a proper way is that, most of the time, you can never really know how many people *didn't* die because you stayed vigilant, had integrity, and just gave a damn. Hats off to you.
@gyrogearloose1345
@gyrogearloose1345 3 года назад
You are doing good work my friend. Thank you, and keep on doing it that way.
@christaylor4828
@christaylor4828 3 года назад
Sorry, I had to laugh and know it is serious but “mining, second oldest profession in the world, grubbing around in the dirt to pay for the first oldest profession in the world”. Brilliant.
@FurryWrecker911
@FurryWrecker911 3 года назад
What I love about AvE is he makes me look stuff up with random lines like that. I didn't know toolmakers were the oldest profession in the world, and I let out a laugh getting the joke then.
@shoechew
@shoechew 3 года назад
@@FurryWrecker911 Wwooooooooshh in STEREO!
@davidhick4303
@davidhick4303 3 года назад
@@FurryWrecker911 lol by ‘toolmaker’ do you mean ‘tool cleaner’ or maybe ‘tool servicer’ ? Pretty sure he meant prostitution.
@maddpeanut6313
@maddpeanut6313 3 года назад
Legalize the oldest profession.
@tomrogers9467
@tomrogers9467 3 года назад
@@FurryWrecker911 Anyway, it was a “Whorible Joke”.
@ragingraven7915
@ragingraven7915 3 года назад
I'm not an engineer, but I pretty sure something called the emergency brake should be in working order 100% of the time, and never be disabled.
@tomf3150
@tomf3150 3 года назад
I am and you're absolutely right.
@AlessioSangalli
@AlessioSangalli 3 года назад
That isn't correct, bypasses are for maintenance, when you need to remove the car from the cable etc.
@The_42nd_Wizard
@The_42nd_Wizard 3 года назад
@@AlessioSangalli that doesn't mean it shouldn't be in working order all the time. It wasn't in maintenance either
@InformatrIIcks
@InformatrIIcks 3 года назад
That's common sense, which is apparently less and less common every day
@Justowner
@Justowner 3 года назад
@@AlessioSangalli This would fall under lock-out-tag-out, and the disabling of said brakes should also result in the machine being mechanically unusable until the brakes are re-engaged.
@reuveng1960
@reuveng1960 3 года назад
Finally, AvE spoke 90% English when he described this tragic accident.
@slobodanjovanovic8166
@slobodanjovanovic8166 3 года назад
Noticed the same as well!
@pauldwalker
@pauldwalker 3 года назад
because he’s righteously angry at the easily avoidable stupidity that would have prevented the needless deaths in the first place. can you blame him?
@dcurry7287
@dcurry7287 3 года назад
Didn't mention where to stickle your pickle either. I appreciate a joker who knows when to be serious.
@icandreamstream
@icandreamstream 3 года назад
When the man speaks english, you know he's pissed.
@HausBauConstruction
@HausBauConstruction 3 года назад
disabling the fucking emergency brake is not an accident. disabling 2 of them is premeditation
@waltharp.novaccs5980
@waltharp.novaccs5980 3 года назад
A quote from a New York Times article on the Champlain Towers Collapse in Surfside Florida... "Charlie Danger, who retired as Miami-Dade County’s building chief seven years ago, said unauthorized remodeling could result in someone eliminating a structural support column." Charlie Danger... You just can't write this stuff!
@peter-ip3uk
@peter-ip3uk 3 года назад
Italian mechanic "I couldn't fix your brakes so I made your horn louder“
@dbspecials1200
@dbspecials1200 3 года назад
Probably very poor troubleshooting abilities. the hydro e-brake applies when there is a drop in pressure. the brake was dragging, indicating a possible valving or other pressure related issue with the hydro pack. too little pressure, the brake partially applies and drags the cable. or, another type of mechanical problem caused the dragging. has to be fixed properly in every case, no exceptions.
@jakublulek3261
@jakublulek3261 3 года назад
As old man Bugatti said to his customer: "My cars are for driving, not braking!" Than his son was killed in car crash...
@lcstyle2029
@lcstyle2029 3 года назад
wouldn't happen in germany or the german culture.
@MrLince-hr4of
@MrLince-hr4of 3 года назад
@@lcstyle2029 true, the germans just kill millions because they have a smale weiner
@waspgaming9077
@waspgaming9077 3 года назад
@@MrLince-hr4of Even if our weiners smale, at least they're not small :з
@cornfed123567
@cornfed123567 3 года назад
i work on manlifts for a living, there is one overwhelming rule, never disable safety equipment. ive had alot of customers ask me to bypass a limit switch, or let them know how to bypass one. once they ask that i leave my lockout on the machine and let my boss know, take pictures and leave. had people ask me to just pencil whip an aerial inspection also, thats not going to happen. people forget how dangerous these machines can be, you can get lucky 100 times and nothing happens but that one time something does can take a life.
@bragr_
@bragr_ 3 года назад
The local large reputable elevator company came to service the elevator in my building. They took one look, disabled it, and said it would need extensive repairs and/or replacement. So the building management found a different company that would throw a few parts at it and certify it. I try to always take the stairs.
@jrshaul
@jrshaul 3 года назад
If you can't figure out how to disable something, you usually shouldn't be disabling it.
@koitorob
@koitorob 3 года назад
I think Cornfed needs to go on one of those 'awareness' courses. 'Man' lifts...
@cornfed123567
@cornfed123567 3 года назад
@@koitorob they had me take sensitivity training, all it taught me was some better jokes
@Mr13thatguy
@Mr13thatguy 3 года назад
Just quit a job because the single man lift built in 1989 we had to use all the time, was not going to be replaced. But hey, we got a new CEO of diversity and inclusion.
@seangorry
@seangorry 3 года назад
I can't get my head around disabling the brakes, it's disgusting how easily these deaths could have been prevented
@snakehead404
@snakehead404 3 года назад
@@rewrite1239 my place does a good job and nothing really slips us, but I've been at plenty of companies where this is the case and they just don't want to bother with the alerts or question what the potential harm could be. It's sad that almost every successful system hack (Fuel plant in the U.S) is entirely avoidable for literally fuckin pennies.
@wayfa13
@wayfa13 3 года назад
brah, this capitalistic world is all about profit over lives
@cubertmiso
@cubertmiso 3 года назад
@@wayfa13 at least capitalistic one is slowly self correcting system. other belief systems keep the profit and still keep humans as a hostages/labour.
@tristanwilliams3568
@tristanwilliams3568 3 года назад
You mean except the one that does away with profit and wage-labor?
@swampypolitics9574
@swampypolitics9574 3 года назад
@@wayfa13 also, what we have isnt even capitalism and free trade anymore.. its corporatism and crony capitalism. capitalism is simply two parties agreeing to trade with eachother... then the government and special intreests got invovled and the people let them take all their financial power away
@thedeathwobblechannel6539
@thedeathwobblechannel6539 3 года назад
anger, frustration and heartbreak ring in your voice. could have been any of us on board
@AnimeSunglasses
@AnimeSunglasses 3 года назад
Yeah, that's the most... reduced to frustration I've ever heard him. Understandably.
@jacobsmith7285
@jacobsmith7285 3 года назад
"Standards are written in blood." That should of been in my intro to engineering class...
@highdownmartin
@highdownmartin 3 года назад
Every rule in the railway rule book is written because someone has died.
@garthfw
@garthfw 3 года назад
It's always how I begin my building code sessions.
@CoolKoon
@CoolKoon 3 года назад
"That should of been in my intro to engineering class..." - Ours was even better: we had to sign a waiver :D But alas it was electrical engineering, not mechanical....
@auknix
@auknix 3 года назад
"Standards are written in blood" That statement has a lot of weight to it.
@kchortu
@kchortu 3 года назад
Right when he said that, I was wait what, then the realization that it wasnt the blood of the people writing it but the people that got failed by the system in an effort to avoid that in the future.
@gautamdamodaran
@gautamdamodaran 3 года назад
True. Origins of ASME BPVC attest to that.
@AlessioSangalli
@AlessioSangalli 3 года назад
I mean, it's not a new expression, it's a typical way to describe safety regulations in all fields automotive, aerospace etc
@david52875
@david52875 3 года назад
I'm pretty sure "don't disable all the safety features" was already a standard somewhere.
@iamTFT
@iamTFT 3 года назад
in my experience, gross negligence is a group effort.... if just one person can do the right thing....
@dcurry7287
@dcurry7287 3 года назад
...the accountant will deny it. After all, why doesn't the rest of the team want to do it too?
@slidey1788
@slidey1788 3 года назад
Some wanker with a management degree will call them out for not being 'part of the team.
@bumboclat
@bumboclat 3 года назад
Sadly, and unironically, things go a little different in Italy.
@DandelionCollab
@DandelionCollab 3 года назад
Everyone running the system with red maintenance safety lockouts in place is complicit. If they don't know that is inappropriate then there is another training failure. The trusting public doesn't know what the red bits indicate.
@antontaylor4530
@antontaylor4530 3 года назад
Negligence is when someone fails to do something they should. These people knowingly did something they knew they should not. It's not negligence, it's far worse than that.
@radscientist
@radscientist 3 года назад
This was no accident (a series of random, unforeseeable events leading to an outcome). It is a mishap, which is a chain of events that occurs leading to an undesirable outcome. Mishaps can always be prevented. The first mistake here is that the bean counters run the show with the mentality that we run it until it absolutely needs fixed {it breaks}. The second is that the technician believed it inconceivable that the cable could break, which makes this tech lazy and inept. The rest of the events in this mishap are plainly obvious. I have seen the corporate profit mentality in action and it is very literally 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. Then you have the operators that are the first ones to notice a problem and keep running until it breaks. Rather than dealing with a small problem now, they wait until it's a big problem and production stops and complain the whole time their machine is down. Like they say - if it jams, force it; if it breaks, it needed fixed anyway. This mentality at all levels is becoming commonplace. It's all a safety first until it interferes with profit.
@Fluffy2Buffy
@Fluffy2Buffy 3 года назад
I literally got fired for calling out some of our upper management about some unrealistic COVID restrictions being set. Literally friday that week, 8 minutes into my shift fired. for "Rampant disregard of upper management and setting a hostile work environment" I have never been written up once... Not once.. 100% agree. Profits are unfortunately all that many think about.
@Justowner
@Justowner 3 года назад
@@Fluffy2Buffy You're going to have expand on this, because your phrasing implies you complained about the existence of restrictions. And the "unrealistic" is often used to imply personal opinion.
@Fluffy2Buffy
@Fluffy2Buffy 3 года назад
@@Justowner I called out some hypocrisy, I have since learned some tact. In the words of Teddy R. Speak softly and carry a big stick." I was literally 1 position shy of being on the executive team. if I would have played nice another 2 years or so. I had moved up 3 titles in 5 years. So you can say I was getting cocky. And I learned from that moment. I'm now 90 days unemployed.
@Justowner
@Justowner 3 года назад
@@Fluffy2Buffy How do you get that close to an executive position? serious question.
@AxelMontini
@AxelMontini 3 года назад
In italy the infrastructure is basically a giant minefield. Imagine: you are transporting a 35t cargo on a bridge that has a 40t safety limit. The bridge collapses. The company that transports it is at fault, even if it's is rated for 40t. To carry parts needed to build a chemical plant, every road on the truck's path needs to be analyzed by the company itself, even if the cargo is nowhere near the stated bridge limit.
@Knallteute
@Knallteute 3 года назад
Well i will keep that in mind. I will never drive special transports in italy.
@jamesgorman5241
@jamesgorman5241 2 года назад
So given the cost of doing that any Companies moving heavy loads are effectively rolling the dice. It must be a huge disincentive for companies looking to invest.
@mazdarx7887
@mazdarx7887 3 года назад
As a young aurcraft mechanic the guy training me used to say , every time he filled out the paperwork and signed the forms, do you know what i just signed? I signed my name to a document that my work wont kill the people in the plane or the people it crashes into. A very good lesson in responsibility
@randomidiot8142
@randomidiot8142 3 года назад
A coworkers son is a diesel mechanic. Same thing. Something happens, you going to be able to say that you did the work correctly?
@trustthedogsheneverlies644
@trustthedogsheneverlies644 3 года назад
I used be an aircraft mech (UK). My two pense is: Rember almost all the office staff are NOT personally liable like you. Have some balls to not sign off if you're not happy. Can't say no, then quit. I still wake up thinking about good by the book repairs I've done 5 years ago. You don't want a gash job haunting you for ever just so you could leave on time on a Friday.
@trustthedogsheneverlies644
@trustthedogsheneverlies644 3 года назад
Also for the love of god wear gloves, especially with MEK, it's band in most places for a reason. Hope you enjoy your new 24/7 colone of Avgas :)
@TTMR1986
@TTMR1986 3 года назад
My mantra is "When this plane crashes can I justify my actions to the satisfaction of the NTSB"
@rigreverse4550
@rigreverse4550 3 года назад
I used to do systems management for customers in aviation and automotive. Server outage. Automotive customer: Get it to run somehow. Aviation customer: Let us know when it is safe to use again. Why? Because they don't use tools that are not 100% fit for purpose. Because if they did, planes might fall out of the sky.
@alexej01
@alexej01 3 года назад
they've actually immediately arrested the owner and 2 executives. but suprise: they've been set free. only the operations manager is still under arrest.
@TheGiuse45
@TheGiuse45 3 года назад
Because he is responsible, owner and executives are not technicians, if they were they wouldn't have hired him
@WarpPotato
@WarpPotato 3 года назад
As usual. Same crap everywhere. Those bastards up in their cabinets dont give a damn about people or nature unless it gives them profit.
@creativecredence850
@creativecredence850 3 года назад
"and every politician, every cop on the street, protect the interests of the pedophilic corporate elite" -How The World Works, Bo Burnham
@blitzkriegpower
@blitzkriegpower 3 года назад
@@TheGiuse45 the management was informed of the situation, for sure. The moment you as a manager are informed, the problem becomes your and you have to be sure it’s resolved ASAP, also you shut the operations until the problem is solved. You don’t have to be an engineer to know what safety brakes are, that’s why they call them SAFETY brakes.
@jorehir
@jorehir 3 года назад
You can keep people in jail before the trial only if they are a public danger or if they're likely to escape or if they can hack the proofs.
@cyberlord64
@cyberlord64 3 года назад
"Don't worry, this case is impossible and it will never happen" - famous last words
@46bovine
@46bovine 3 года назад
Yeah, we don't need no stinkin' brakes!
@Knallteute
@Knallteute 3 года назад
Thats really jinxing it on a whole nother level.
@ttsupra87
@ttsupra87 3 года назад
Out of all the negligence failure videos I've seen from you I feel this was has the most anger, sorrow and disgust. It's palatable. Makes what I feel even worse. You're a good man, thank you for the years of service on this platform
@KeithBennettAuthor
@KeithBennettAuthor 3 года назад
"Standards: They're all written in blood." BRAVO Teacher. My memorable takeaway from another brilliant analysis.
@kwakamonkey
@kwakamonkey 3 года назад
We had a safety rep that said this at every safety meeting. Some one was injured or killed before this regulation was implemented. She got a lot of stick fir saying it by some but she was correct as people that ignored the regulations got hurt or killed.
@malcolmyoung7866
@malcolmyoung7866 3 года назад
If there was ever a slogan for a AvE T shirt/mug/sticker...then this IS IT!!
@Gman26BB
@Gman26BB 3 года назад
A complete family of 3 generations have passed from this accident, they were from my small country, thanks for discussing the topic..
@boots7859
@boots7859 3 года назад
@LazicStefan Dude, been in IT the last 25 years and the tone deaf fucks like you are the minority.
@Jake-bt3fc
@Jake-bt3fc 3 года назад
@@boots7859 Everybody knows not to put all of their eggs in one basket. Especially if you're going to dangle it hundreds of feet over a mountainside.
@63jeepj20
@63jeepj20 3 года назад
@@boots7859 where did he state he wasin IT and why does it matter that youve been there 25 years? He was stating that putting everything in one place will rarely end well. Dont be a douche
@Midwesternhighlights
@Midwesternhighlights 3 года назад
Shut that ef up you idi0t
@Danuxsy
@Danuxsy 3 года назад
Never put all eggs in one basket...
@just_a_rock
@just_a_rock 3 года назад
Mark Stanley wrote, in his story "Freefall", that "Killing your customers is bad business practice", you can always make more profit when more people are alive for you to exploit.
@jsihavealotofplaylists
@jsihavealotofplaylists 3 года назад
I'm glad you constantly bring to light various workplace accidents and how they could've been prevented.
@LazerLord10
@LazerLord10 3 года назад
"Clearly there was a complete failure in management" When isn't this the case?
@sogwatchman
@sogwatchman 3 года назад
I've worked for several corporations in IT. From my experience, I concur.
@jamestrahan9311
@jamestrahan9311 3 года назад
When the employee cares more about someone else's job instead of their own.
@evilsqirrel
@evilsqirrel 3 года назад
@@jamestrahan9311 One of the main things I learned after working in a corporate environment, you can't count on someone else to do their job right.
@AlessioSangalli
@AlessioSangalli 3 года назад
Many times it's the actual worker failure to not follow the rules, even if management told them so. Honestly, we don't know if in this case management gave permission to the technician to bypass the brakes...
@truetech4158
@truetech4158 3 года назад
Usually anywhere you can find the name lord being used, it's a failure in management because things such as cablecar accidents have never produced even a single afterlife, no matter what you perhaps were told while growing up.
@TheOlsonOutfit
@TheOlsonOutfit 3 года назад
NASA did a presentation called "Normalization of Deviance." It's applicable to situations like this brake override. Definitely worth a watch. Edit: A former NASA Astronaut
@skunked42
@skunked42 3 года назад
where to find that?
@Broken_Yugo
@Broken_Yugo 3 года назад
Also known as the whole Space Shuttle program.
@ChaosBW
@ChaosBW 3 года назад
Operation paperclip.
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 3 года назад
@@ChaosBW What???
@bachtomin213
@bachtomin213 3 года назад
Nasa is one to talk about Normalization of Deviance. Between their history of failed launches, deaths on the gantry (Apollo 1), and lost orbiter (Challenger 73 seconds after launch, Columbia breakup upon reentry), they have lots of material.
@petar807
@petar807 3 года назад
I am impressed by the amount of knowledge you have on all the things mechanical and electronic. It's a shame they didn't do the maintenance properly...
@timothyschriefer2822
@timothyschriefer2822 3 года назад
In my experience as an engineer this kind of stuff happens when management starts putting unreasonable schedule/cost pressure on people. You ultimately see a shift from prove to me this is safe, to prove to me it's unsafe. Deviance becomes normalized and then eventually someone dies. It's sad and disappointing because there are standards and they exist for a reason. As someone who serves on ASME BPV committees I can say it is basically always the case that it's due to death (in the case of the BPV go check the Grover Shoe Factory out). You would think after the Bhopals and Challengers the world the lesson would stick, but it never lasts all that long unfortunately.
@popekbar
@popekbar 3 года назад
You could hear the heartbreak in AvE's voice. I knew he was a good man from his interactions with the kids and wife, now I'm convinced he is a great man.
@lifuranph.d.9440
@lifuranph.d.9440 3 года назад
Because he really cares about people.
@randomidiot8142
@randomidiot8142 3 года назад
Sick and tired of seeing the same predictable outcomes time and time again. Like the crane that fell over in London town with water puddles around the feet of it..
@mattsharpe3989
@mattsharpe3989 3 года назад
You can hear the anger in his voice, same with all the crane collapses and the ski lift failures
@onionfx
@onionfx 3 года назад
"The profit isn't worth 14 people's lives" - there's maybe an internal memo about that.....
@edwinpap1516
@edwinpap1516 3 года назад
This company will be sold as it is cheap, be absorbed into an other faceless company and this will continue happening.
@davesowens
@davesowens 3 года назад
And a reply asking what the acceptable number of lives would be.
@poleyd21
@poleyd21 3 года назад
@@davesowens probably one or two a year. But not 14. Sadly
@em0_tion
@em0_tion 3 года назад
Like all the people that die in plane crashes time and time again - no company gets the memo, just a cheap slap on the wrist.
@torstenschneider670
@torstenschneider670 3 года назад
Something something stochastics. If the combined profit of all your fuckups exceeds the cost of those that led to an incident, you are in the green.
@WeebRemover4500
@WeebRemover4500 3 года назад
"glass half full, glass half empty, engineer steps up and says- wait a minute. the glass is twice as big as it needs to!" -AvE not even one minute in and im having to pause the video
@kirbyspencer538
@kirbyspencer538 3 года назад
That saying has been around at least 40 years, probably much longer.
@yourhandlehere1
@yourhandlehere1 3 года назад
I need a little more info. How did this glass and water combination come to be? If you put water into the glass and stopped at that point...it's half full. If you had more and removed some, it's half empty. Otherwise I can only describe it as a half of a glass of water. The "half" being an eyeball guess. Where IS this glass? If it's on a table at a restaurant my inclination would be towards half-empty. Hmmm. I'm going to need a 150 million dollar grant to form a study group to access the feasibility of creating a committee to to make recommendations for regulating the hydrosilicate interaction terminology.
@WeebRemover4500
@WeebRemover4500 3 года назад
@@kirbyspencer538 well i havent, not in this body
@kirbyspencer538
@kirbyspencer538 3 года назад
@@WeebRemover4500 It's a great saying, and profound when you first hear it. I use it often. I was just indicating that putting it in quotations and attributing it to AvE was not completely appropriate.
@radech2285
@radech2285 3 года назад
@@kirbyspencer538 It's probably a who said it first vs who said it best, just like standards written in blood. It's remembering it that's important. also personal favourite was the Ach So, which he definitely wasn't the first to say.
@gailmrutland6508
@gailmrutland6508 3 года назад
*Straight forward no sugar coating, we need MORE like you SIR!*
@zaybx
@zaybx 3 года назад
One time as a technician, I was removing an old piece of equipment with a cam operated emergency brake and the cam was zip-tied in the unlocked position. Sickened me then, and it sickens me now.
@blacklangster1141
@blacklangster1141 3 года назад
“You don’t need to be a hero, just follow the fucking rules” why I love this channel. Simple explanations of slightly complex things while keeping it entertaining enough to keep wanting more.
@claudyfocan731
@claudyfocan731 3 года назад
Facts
@AggressiveLemur
@AggressiveLemur 3 года назад
You'd be amazed at the amount of people clamoring to reduce regulations in the pursuit of profit.
@curtisgauthier9205
@curtisgauthier9205 3 года назад
Thank you for this video these are strong sentiments they taught me at the beginning of engineering school and I hope to never forget them. I also worry though that this process of corporate dehumanization you described will only get worse. I see it too much myself and I worry that others could fall into these traps without knowing as not every act of negligence is as obvious as disabling an emergency break. It makes me mad that in the future to not displease the people in charge of our livelihoods we may be expected to act negligently, but that is how this profit-focused world is.
@liambikes409
@liambikes409 2 года назад
You’re brilliant and thank you for having the guts to put the discussion here.
@Maltanx
@Maltanx 3 года назад
Not even the hundreds of news here in Italy gave an explanation so clear and comprehensible. Thank you
@jjwiii1432
@jjwiii1432 3 года назад
Same here! Facts and news are not related anymore.
@mTs1978412
@mTs1978412 3 года назад
By far the best explanation of this horrible accident.
@grantsdad177
@grantsdad177 3 года назад
Wasn’t really an accident when the technician intentionally disable the brakes
@mTs1978412
@mTs1978412 3 года назад
@@grantsdad177 lots of deeper questions
@trombonista92
@trombonista92 3 года назад
for real, I am italian, been following italian language news regularly, I had no idea until now
@SteelheadTed
@SteelheadTed 3 года назад
@@Fux704 you must be new here
@calebashby
@calebashby 3 года назад
Sir, You ABSOLUTELY Nailed It!! Any Time An Organization, Corporation Or Government Puts Profit Before Safety, The Results Are ALWAYS Catostrophic.
@FGuilt
@FGuilt 3 года назад
"ain't seen that in 30 years." Problem is, it last happened 31 years ago before you got hired and we have rules about that now because of what happened 31 years ago.
@VintageTechFan
@VintageTechFan 3 года назад
Reminds of that Simpsons episode: "Come on Lisa, there is no record of a hurricane ever hitting Springfield" - "Yes, but the records go only back to 1978, when the hall of records was mysteriously blown away."
@davesneiditch
@davesneiditch 3 года назад
When you make a profit goal you get a bonus. When you make a safety goal you get a nice keychain.
@keystonerider1308
@keystonerider1308 3 года назад
Haha I get a shirt tshirt turned immediately into a shop rag!
@heroslippy6666
@heroslippy6666 3 года назад
its sad that this is literally a thing at my workplace.
@fredmorton1631
@fredmorton1631 3 года назад
yeah! or a toolbox sticker
@codygibson2809
@codygibson2809 3 года назад
Never thought I’d shed a tear with uncle bumblefuck but this is such needless tragedy.
@norfolkngood8960
@norfolkngood8960 3 года назад
Same as the crane, same as the walkway.... Too much dumbfuckery, truly tragic & heartbreaking
@tubewatcher5012
@tubewatcher5012 3 года назад
Yea, I can hear the heartbreak in Uncle's voice and it got me choked up. He's right, absolutely senseless and avoidable. And yes just like the crane etc.
@trombonista92
@trombonista92 3 года назад
@@norfolkngood8960 at least the Marandi bridge was more of a system failure, where politicians, managers and engineers were involved, It hits extra hard when its a single millwright like you and me
@Lizardwarrior1
@Lizardwarrior1 3 года назад
imagine being that israeli kid, sitting injured in a cable car with 5 of your family members dead stuck in it with you waiting to be saved fucking abominable
@thebootknifer
@thebootknifer 3 года назад
Right? I have a 4 month old and 3 year old. I could not imagine my daughter waking up asking where me and her mother are. This story, to a point wouldn't bother me before.i had kids. Now that I have kids, I'll spiral into depression reading these stories lol. They hit so hard when you have kids.
@DamianDeEu
@DamianDeEu 3 года назад
Never would've expected that looking at someones garage junk will be so interesting. Good work!
@supralapsarian
@supralapsarian 3 года назад
Heartbreaking. Thank you for this thoughtful, frank and damning analysis.
@anteck7goat
@anteck7goat 3 года назад
For want of a nail the shoe was lost. For want of a shoe the horse was lost. For want of a horse the rider was lost. For want of a rider the message was lost. For want of a message the battle was lost. For want of a battle the kingdom was lost. And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.
@thesilvershield5555
@thesilvershield5555 3 года назад
@@blip_bloop i missread that for aesop rocky (supposed to be asap - a musician)
@thesage1096
@thesage1096 3 года назад
beautiful
@michaelc7014
@michaelc7014 3 года назад
Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift
@FroggyMosh
@FroggyMosh 3 года назад
@@michaelc7014 ...Who?
@michaelc7014
@michaelc7014 3 года назад
@@FroggyMosh It was used as a line in the movie
@tommyb8046
@tommyb8046 3 года назад
you can hear the disgust in the way this was filmed. he had to stop himself from loosing it quite a few times!
@Wootguy238
@Wootguy238 3 года назад
Losing*
@koitorob
@koitorob 3 года назад
Why? He didn't sound too tight to me...
@deavman
@deavman 3 года назад
@@koitorob Well..if you're gonna play that word-game, that would be " "loosening" then..
@gimmedasteez
@gimmedasteez 3 года назад
As a project engineer, i always find these sorts of videos humbling - a reminder to a more noble mission of ensuring the safety of human lives. Thank you for these honest and technical videos.
@PeasGraveny
@PeasGraveny 3 года назад
You use your language so very well it's a pleasure to hear you speak on any subject.
@StoneysWorkshop
@StoneysWorkshop 3 года назад
I have worked on equipment with door switches and e-stops bypassed by the last guy. I rewire and fix whatever is the problem, I cannot fathom doing this. I work on pressure vessels and hi temp washing equipment.
@JDPugs
@JDPugs 3 года назад
People like you are the unsung heroes that prevent tragedies like this and other industrial accidents from occurring. Thank you
@TonyRule
@TonyRule 3 года назад
Idiots like "the last guy" are the reason we are now moving to include RFID confirmation for many safety lockouts. I've encountered operators with their own lockout key so they can have access into the safety cage while the equipment is still running.
@flylowlevel817
@flylowlevel817 3 года назад
Bless you for your diligence.
@RobertBeckk
@RobertBeckk 3 года назад
People bypassing safety's on pressure vessels is a BIG NOPE from me dawg
@gwamhurt
@gwamhurt 3 года назад
Jesus. People (a lot of those being people who should know better) take for granted how much of the modern world can kill you in an instant. It would much more without emergency stops and failsafes.
@PanduPoluan
@PanduPoluan 3 года назад
9:30 you can really feel the raging anger pouring out of Uncle Bumblefack in his silence.
@rbmccloskey
@rbmccloskey 3 года назад
Thank you for a clear explanation of what happened. All your videos are great.
@michaelcontino3509
@michaelcontino3509 3 года назад
Thanks for explaining the mechanisms of the disaster, both the engineering and economic. Very thoughtful!
@codespace1337
@codespace1337 3 года назад
I always enjoy these post mortem analyses, but I absolutely hate how often they need to be done.
@roadracing22
@roadracing22 3 года назад
I absolutely love these chats. As a technician in a different field, these vids help me think of ways to notice potential issues before they arise. Thank you!
@DaddyBeanDaddyBean
@DaddyBeanDaddyBean 3 года назад
The first AvE video I ever stumbled across was an analysis of a crane collapse. I enjoy all of Uncle Bumblefuck's content, honestly, but these "what the hell happened" videos are my favorite.
@pj7362
@pj7362 3 года назад
My thoughts and prayers for those involved in this unwarranted tragedy. Very well displayed AvE, I couldn't agree more with your words on this issue,
@Knallteute
@Knallteute 3 года назад
Man just hearing you at the end really got me. Its hard seeing others fail in such a preventable way. And its always those who are innocent that have to live with the consequences.
@hometownautomotive2110
@hometownautomotive2110 3 года назад
Reminds me of a story I heard 60 years ago about a farmer who went out to plow his fields with his only horse. He got to the barn only to find his horse had passed away over night. The farmer remarked. Wow that never happened before. Moral of the story. You have to prepare for the unexpected or it will come back to bite you.
@paulsengupta971
@paulsengupta971 3 года назад
I don't think that horse is coming back to bite him.
@garandman8114
@garandman8114 3 года назад
Prepare for the worse, hope for the best.
@BD-xz6te
@BD-xz6te 3 года назад
@@paulsengupta971 Zombie horse: "Grains!" Ok... I'll show myself out.
@sogwatchman
@sogwatchman 3 года назад
Now I understand my grandpa's saying "I trust the people who make the thing, I just don't trust the asshole who maintains it." I think he was talking about TWA airplanes at the time.
@qiX2wf48
@qiX2wf48 3 года назад
Here are 3 more for you: Alaska Airlines 261. American Airlines 191. Japan Airlines 123. 881 total dead due to maintenance fuckups.
@tommihommi1
@tommihommi1 3 года назад
Boeing spectacularly proved this saying wrong
@drdre4397
@drdre4397 3 года назад
@@tommihommi1 Nice attempt at a strawman arguement... Not a valid rebuttal.
@jdahling4738
@jdahling4738 3 года назад
@@tommihommi1 Humans get in mindsets that create complacency, and then people over seeing them allow it to go. Complacency in certain fields is the difference between life and death, to say it’s been proven that’s not true is silly.
@DandelionCollab
@DandelionCollab 3 года назад
@@drdre4397 @tommihommi1 I don't think it was rebuttal. I think it was a mention that sometimes the design can also have dramatic and fatal flaws, as well. Some recent Boeing crashes were caused before maintenance became the problem.
@rdxdt
@rdxdt 3 года назад
Once i was doing some IT job in one company and on my side there was a guy assembling an electric panel, and i noticed that the panel was lacking RCI and i asked why, and he simply told me that he don't encourage using those because often they cause so much hassle(due to ground faults disarming the breaker) that customers really don't like it. and i was shocked(not electrically) to know that people don't use RCI because the RCI is indicating a ground fault, instead of fixing the freaking ground fault. It came to my conclusion that good professionals are rare, and the market is filled with mediocre professionals that really don't care about what they are doing, they just want the money.
@SuperbikeSurgeryTV
@SuperbikeSurgeryTV 3 года назад
Once again, a Considered and straight to the point no BS analysis of a complete f...ing nightmare of a situation. Thank you.....
@MitchJ
@MitchJ 3 года назад
I have seen this out in the field: "Get our system back up and running!!" "Okay, okay, uh... let me just, uh...." The line manager does not care about whether the system is safe. He wants it running. And that's all.
@hudzgh
@hudzgh 3 года назад
Every. Damn. Day. For 10 years.
@daviddavidson2357
@daviddavidson2357 3 года назад
Was the engineer called Jaws by any chance? I hear he has a bad track record with Italian aerial tramways.
@qno-oj3py
@qno-oj3py 3 года назад
Read somewhere there were some important people on board. Smells like assassination...
@Batmannerz
@Batmannerz 3 года назад
He stopped the skookum choocher with his bare hands! That motorb so powerful that can grind itself raw it's so torquey.
@nickmaclachlan5178
@nickmaclachlan5178 3 года назад
Not to be that guy, but wasn't it the Aerial Tramway up Sugarloaf Mountain in Brazil that Jaws was dickin' with in the Bond film Moonraker?
@robot_spider
@robot_spider 3 года назад
Jeez, you spend your career riding tram cars and no one says anything. But you bite through ONE cable...
@titaniumdiveknife
@titaniumdiveknife 3 года назад
Bless you sincere explanation. Very heart touching.
@jessemackenzie6516
@jessemackenzie6516 3 года назад
I appreciate your commentary on this one. This affirms my default position when deciding weather to down a piece of equipment over bypassing a safety. I work on industrial emergency power generation. I always take the "what if " position . Sometimes the customer wants me to leave the unit in service because the particular " what if " event is a 1 and million. Your outlook on this shows that shit does happen and when it does , people die. I always document along with taking time stamped pictures of the method used to lock out the equipment . I have brought units offline before only to find out they have been placed back in service after I left the property.
@cdorcey1735
@cdorcey1735 3 года назад
"[Safety] standards are written in blood." As someone who's responsible for a building with an elevator, I'm going to quote that every chance I get.
@Ramog1000
@Ramog1000 3 года назад
the funny thing is standards where already in place workers where just to ignorant to follow them
@alanleonard8739
@alanleonard8739 3 года назад
“The standards are ALL written in Blood.” AVE
@ChrisBigBad
@ChrisBigBad 3 года назад
Same with the rules in aviation :(
@jenniferharkin5720
@jenniferharkin5720 3 года назад
Ever heard of "legislation by fire", fire code is the same way
@maka5955
@maka5955 3 года назад
t-shirt material
@appliedengineering4001
@appliedengineering4001 3 года назад
Sadly, I think every safety rule book out there was written in blood. Someone out there had to get hurt(or killed) before they knew that a rule was needed for that.
@ChrisBigBad
@ChrisBigBad 3 года назад
@@appliedengineering4001 explain fluid limits on planes ;)
@matt8863
@matt8863 3 года назад
Rest their souls...It must have looked like a small plane crash at that site.
@MrJohnnyboyrebel
@MrJohnnyboyrebel 10 месяцев назад
You are NOT wrong. I worked (43 years) for a huge Oilfield service company in the Wireline division. The way you describe the construction of, and failure modes for wire rope is exactly correct. We have a facility dedicated to pull testing wireline cables and testing splicing techniques. I witnessed several tests where the wireline broke. It is scary as hell. Keep up the excellent analyses.
@matthew76284
@matthew76284 3 года назад
Im a HVAC tech. I would never bypass a safety on a furnace to save a dollar. Safety of people is far more important than any dollar amount. Great channel. Been watching for years. Keep it up.
@schamberlain1
@schamberlain1 3 года назад
I'm here for the tongue tacular vernacular
@gsxr750dude
@gsxr750dude 3 года назад
only the tip just for a minute
@finecutpost
@finecutpost 3 года назад
Great presentation, thank you for making this disaster more understandable.
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