Bomber Problem of War Thunder 

Bomber gameplay is like fly to 4000 meters and get killed by an intercepter.Bro just at that point play a fighter bomber or strike aircraft

Now a days a fighter looks at you and both your wings explode and the engines fall off and your pilot shoots himself in the head

Another reason why the gaijin belongs in the basement.

Spawn in as a bomber, and the team has 6 wyverns.

Last time I was this early War Thunder was a WWII only game with no jets and bombers reigned supreme.

I hate how Gaijin only cares about top tier, even though the vast majority of the playerbase doesn't. Barely anyone has or plays top tier, the vast majority only have or play WW2 or Cold War stuff, yet their issues get no attention.

Every time I am tempted to play war thunder, I watch a video like this one, and I am cured for a year or two

As a bomber enthusiast myself, the reason I played bombers is not because they are op or the are ""easy"" to use, but because I always found the role of a bomber crew, specially in WW2, somethings interestling. My dream with this game was to fly in big bomber formations bombing targets like if I were helping my side (Allies/Axis) on winning the War. War Thunder completely lost that core feeling of "WW2 being majestic and somewhat poetic", and became a regular and lame shooter game.

I like how World of Warplanes, even through their reputation was already ruined, still put in the effort to revamp their game and after 5 years, produced a result where bombers are actually balanced & relevant. Wargaming handled strategic bombers better than Gaijin ever did. World of Warplanes's main mode, "Conquest," is Air RB but better. There are multiple bases, but unlike War Thunder, the weird HP-circle system is gone. It's not like you can drop bombs outside the perimeter fencing and still do damage. In WoWp, you actually need to aim for infrastructure. The bases do respawn, but when they return *they're aligned with whoever pounded them to dirt.* Larger bombers are very hard to take down, similar to old War Thunder. This is mitigated by a key difference, one that I think is one of the core issues of Air RB: you can respawn in WoWp. Just because your sharpshooter turrets kill a Toryu doesn't mean you won't see the same player in a Hurricane IIb 3 minutes later. You cannot win by two people bombing. But a formation of bombers can turn the game around, especially in mid tiers where radar missiles and rocket pods(on fighters at least) aren't a thing yet. 8:16 On certain modes there are formations of AI bombers, usually five of them. There are also AI heavy fighters & interceptors present on the map that might decide to attack these formations on their own (or players can even order them to do it). Some bases also have two heavy fighters circling at high altitudes that will aggro on them. It's not uncommon for high tier bombers to join the formation, since a bomber flying alone at high alt is an easy kill for top tier jets. Some of the bombers in a game which never claimed to be realistic have better flight/damage models than in War Thunder. Space climbing is rarely a problem because service ceilings are better implemented. It's much easier to take complete control of the map (and therefore tickets) than to chase after a lone bomber; all bases have soft targets and usually a CAP. I think you should do a comparison video someday.

I really wish there was some feature that allowed a player who is dead in the match opt into being someone's gunner. The pilot could kick the person at anytime in case they're a troll. But it'd be awesome to have a multi-crew vehicle actually feel like it. And it'd give players something to do once you're shot down.

Am I watching Bomber PvP gameplay? lmao nice

Gaijins biggest problem isn't just that they don't balance things properly, its that they couldn't care less about what the players want or their input regarding the game

Gets a bomber in arcade, get shot by a single 7.62 from 3 km away, explode completely.

In my opinion the biggest problem with bombers back then was their ability to end the matches early by bombing out the airfield. Gaijins biggest mistake was making bombers so laughably fragile a toddler could throw a nerf dart at one and it would fall to pieces.

I think another thing that hampers bombers in WT is the presence of Attack aircraft and bombs on fighters, which often leads to games being over faster than bomber even have to do anything because a bunch of Wyvern's rushed ground targets and bases and couldn't be stopped because of their stupidly high speed for that BR (I'm god's strongest Wyvern hater btw)

The only way to make bombers feel fun nowadays is having one or two friends to take interceptors and escort you, but even that comes with the downside of making the friend almost useless.

i still want the old 1 hour timer back, the 25min timer can go to high Br jets starting from 8.0

When I heard "back then" and you mentioned "three bases" I immediately thought "oh we're talking later than back then". I remember when Berlin was a map with a line of ~16 pillboxes and 16 ISU-152s. Whichever bomber got aligned to that first and had enough bombs to take them out won the match. It was either that or straight-to-airfield bombing, which almost no bomber could do back in the day. Bombers were incredibly *never* in a good spot. Ever. When I heard your points it really made me realize this. I'm no bomber player tbh so I couldn't care less for them, but the game would objectively be better if we just had a better game mode which could include aircraft types in a relevant way.

It's incredible how gaijin, in order to balance certain things, makes this same things almost useless

I miss the og bombers personally, bomber broadside where so fun. Not to mention bomber where actually usable

3:10 The issue with bombers, is an issue with warthunders in general, and one that the community doesn't realize is an issue. The idea that everything needs to be designed that effort and rewards have to be purely equal and nothing can be imbalanced isn't something we really need to get over mentally as a community Warthunder lacks a way for low skill players to be or feel effective especially in air battles, bombers could've and probably should have been that mechanic for warthunder. Most games have a mechanic specifically designed for this (CODs noobtube, fortnites bots and no build, heavy and soldier TF2, ect) preventing low skill player from feeling useless is something most games go out of their way to do so that player retention remains high, and your bottom 10% of the playerbase doesn't just quit.

Ive always wanted the idea of adding rewards for escorting/intercepting bombers. Bring the objectives back to being game ending, give allies rewards for flying close to bombers and attack aircraft, an additional bonus for killing enemies near your bombers, and a large bonus for killing enemy bombers. Suddenly youve incentivized fighters to protect their bombers, brought a large portion of the fighters off of the deck, and in so doing have made the bomber need to exist in a much busier airspace. One more thing that would be nice is to make it so that if bombers fly out of bounds in their side of the map, they respawn in a fresh bomber. This would incentivize bombers to keep returning to the battle, rather than either space climbing or leaving the match, while not making a slow ass bomber drop 6000m in 20km, and then have to climb back up with their even slower climb speed. This is an alternative way to simulate bomber squadrons, so players dont have to share bases with ai. Do a similar thing with ground attackers too while youre at it, they could use some more love

uhhhh they did a event like that already? It was horrible, It was just an entire team of fighters who could insta kill everyone on the bomber side and it was a glorified turkey shoot.

Very informative video sadly Gaijin won't do anything about it just like they haven't fixed other things people complained about love your videos btw.

I can't even remember the last time I played a bomber. Maybe 5 years ago when I was an absolute noob and thought grinding bombers were worth the time? I only research bombers to get enough vehicles to get to the next tier.

Bombers aren't totally useless in WT, you just take a high level strategic bomber (that in most of ww2 was lucky to hit within 1000ft of a target) load it with a single massive bomb and use it as a super accurate low level tactical CAS machine in ground battles.

I thought Homie was going to say b-17s were useless irl, i was gonna say, "im sorry, brother, but its pistols at dawn."

Imo just make it so bombers spawn A: spawn closer to bases B: spawn higher C: both Interceptors can still do their role when the bombers start going down/back to their airfields

My German Ai gunner didnt shoot until the plane was very close and even then it was shooting somewhere

1:56 oh dear that takes me back. I remember this was the king of Base and Airfield destruction. With it's Max bomb loads you couldn't even take off from the airfield on most maps 🤣

Be a bomber: -Rush straight for the nearest base you see. -Drop your payload on that base and blow it up, if you manage to even make it there. -Get shredded by an enemy plane pretty much directly afterwards, considering if said enemy plane didn't shoot you down before you got to the base. -Repeat this unbearably painful process over and over again in order to grind out another plane to do the exact same thing with. That was one of the two things that can happen though. Here's the alternative: -Immediately point your plane to the sky ceiling the second you air spawn. -Become untouchable. -Do absolutely nothing the entire game except make circles around the map while being 30 miles up in the air, running the timer down. -Waste everyone's time.

As a temp fix I think they should be spawned 2km higher so the only people who can get them get pulled out the rest of the match, do you have to choose to get one or two bombers or two of three fighters. Long term fix there should be a mid air rearm like fly back over your base at 4km and you’d rearm after a minute. There are ways to power win, I joined a groups of six people, we all took wycerns with 3x1000 and coordinated one plane per base and two for the airfield. We would win the match in a single run and had a success rate between 70-85% of the time.

The event they had recently, where one team would play the bombers and a few escort planes and the enemy would play fighters and interceptors but have way less players was amazing. It really gave you the feeling that you were on a mission. The bombers to bomb a target, flying in formation to make use of their guns, and fighters defending them. Meanwhile the germans had to protect their base and shoot down the bombers. Also the fact, that dogfighting the fighters didnt really help you win, since getting distracted with them meant the bombers would get through Having ai bombers in there as well was also a smart move, as it would mean bomber players have more turrets to defend their formation, and it wouldnt turn into air rb.

I've seen a decent suggestion on the forum a while back: make more "impactful" strategic targets with less hp and pepper the battlefield with them. Make them actually do something that influences the match ( for example, destroy X radar sites - bomber formation spawns, or AA becomes less impactful; blow up a bridge - enemy tank are forced to take a longer route etc etc.) That would make bombers a full fledged team work machine, with people being rewarded for cooperation, rather that chew at each others throat. Gos knows this wont happen, as most suggestions just marinade for years, but we can dream.

enduring confrontation being the main game mode in realistic mode is the only way to save warthunder

nobodys gonna talk about that beautiful N.C.233.3 gameplay in the background?

I don't see Gaijin ever touching bombers, since their attention is almost entirely on the boring-as-hell point-and-click-adventure experience of top-tier, which has no strategic bombers whatsoever. honestly i feel like one thing they could change that would be simple to do is drastically lower the air-field HP, but instead of ending the game once destroyed, it completely disables their AAA defenses. though they've basically removed the air-base target entirely ever since they made it so bases respawn.

Doesn’t stop half my team from flying them.

Ya its funny how they just made planes out of paper machete like how the a10 falls apart when shot by anything Despite its reputation for being incredibly hard to kill.

It's really pointless to bring a bomber on 4.0+ xp 50 for example will destroy you, and so will everything else, the only good bomber is the ju288 only because its fast and has good guns

Bombers aren't useless. They never had a place in this game for interesting, engaging gameplay. Their purpose is for players who find the game too hard to be able to grind up to their favorite top tier fighter jet so that they can continue to bomb in that. At least these players won't ruin the outcome of a match through ticket bleed.

50 cal nerf basically killed the entire low to mid tier us air tree

If you have a game with no strategic objectives, you won't need strategic aircraft. Have multiple airfields with a ticket system random tactical and preset strategic objectives. Destroying strategic objectives including spawn airfields reduces tickets. Destroying tactical objectives increases your tickets. You can use your whole lineup(as class selection in battlefield) and pick your spawn points. Suddenly you can have a big map, with strategic level objectives and also enough player density to makke it fun. With more types of installations that means you can also add SAMs, AWACs, tankers, cruise missles etc.

As a former bomber enjoyer, I thank bombers for being so dumb that i have reverted to my japanese zeroes and now i am good in dogfights and have not touched a bomber ever again!!

With limited experience in warthunder, you're recommendations at the end of the video actually sounded a lot better than the bombing system last time I was really into air battles which was years ago.

My dream would be for EC to come back. Problem is many players can't reliably play for multiple hours without a break. So it could be a drop in/out thing. You get larger reward multipliers for paying for longer, but if you can only stick around for an hour then so be it. New players can jump in with a late bonus to their SP and rewards. When I played EC for the first time I played a game like nothing else. There's no competition for the fun I had. With no icons I'd fly a bomber at low alt, following a river so i couldn't be seen. I'd pop up and B-line for the objective. Then rush back. I miss landing bombers. You never survive air RB long enough to land. In EC I'd often have multiple take offs and landings. It was great. I bought the Ju-288 just because of EC. To me this was the future of the game. Then they stopped it. Then they said it would never come back again. I've never been able to pay WT since. I saw what the game could become. What it could be without the greed and stupidity of Gaijin. My eyes were opened and I cannot unsee. I'm glad people still remember and bring it up. But I have no faith the game will ever be that good again.

I noticed that long ago. Strategic bombers would be in a lot better place if matches would ultimately revolve around them. They get some points after successful bombing, but that is irrelevant as most points will be scored via kills. You cannot even win by points as matches are just deathmatches. If there would be objectives and matches would be played in mission format, favoring side which plays the objectives then strategic bombers would have their place.

I'm a relatively new player so I don't know what it used to be like, but why don't we get different objective based modes like destroying ships or convoys why is it always a "let's see who's fighter swarm actually sticks together for longer?"

I think the biggest help Gaijin could do for strat bombers would be to include AI wingmen you switch back and forth between. It's really awkward to be a single bomber, and squading up for 4 is still anemic. Giving them a balanceable number of wingmen could be a huge help with your idea of making 1 super base.

Killing Floor 1 retrospective from you would go hard ngl

This is a well argued video. I got into warthunder in 2013 not for bombers specifically, but it only took until unlocking the blenheim to realise bombers were for me. I spent so many hours in the B-25 over the years, and it was probably the most fun I've had in air RB. When tanks came out I gradually shifted to pretty much exclusively playing tank RB because I was able to get some of the same ground striking fun, whilst also having a host of tanks to bring to the battle as well. Gone were the days of spending minutes climbing only to be taken out by an Me163's cannon burst from 1500m away. Air RB just lost all its lustre for me, and whilst I wholeheartedly would like to see it improve, I can't honestly say Gaijin could do anything to actually get me to play it consistently.

Dude ur really into yt, ur making great content. Keep it up man

I am so happy to see someone else using the NC.223 aggressively. Some of the most fun I have ever had with the game. I did it earlier today. It's so friggin devilish. I too remember the days when underwing rockets were a necessary air to air weapon because Heinkels would just ABSORB anything under 20mm

I am pretty sure you can play Bombers in the IL Sturmovik Series.

I remember seeing a guy use the Italian S.81 gunners to kill 5 planes and was awe struck. Man either got insanely lucky against those P36s and biplanes, or was really good at using those guns

Now gunners don’t even fire until the enemy’s practically touching you

Seems like the old system for bombers from 10 years ago was pretty accurate for how tanky bombers actually are and how dangerous the defensive guns were

One day there will be a genuine war thunder competitor focusing on the Arcade-Sim Air genre like Air RB. I can't wait.

Air sim. Execpt nobody plays that so it takes 30 minutes or more to get into an in-progress match.

Not only did they make bases drain next to no or even actually no tickets, they put the respawn timers so far up that it's normal for matches to end before a single base can respawn. There are too few bases, they take way too long to respawn, destroying them has no impact, depending on the bomber you can't really kill anyone and can't ground pound either, but worst of all: In higher tiers the airfield doesn't become a bombing target if there are no bases left. I don't get why they couldn't even be bothered to have the forward airfields be destructible by bombing.

Flying out the Blitz Bomber and dabbing on bases at lower tier was the most fun i had playing ARB. When the bases started respawning, i first though its a bug. Damn shame to learn it most maps now. Flying out bigger strategic bombers was also a blast on sim enduring, trying to land the amerika bomber was a challenge on some maps, because you didnt really have any long airstrips, but they were insanely fun too, not to mention extremely profitable to a certain point in time. Was thinking of redownloading WT, but the more i check out whats happening in the game nowadays, the less i want to go back.

Truth is, I also enjoy playing bombers but because of how vulnerable they got I started playing sneaky, usually staying high or climbing while going around the main battle area and than from sides boming ennemies bases. I feel like just remaking bomber usefull with the destroyed airfield win mechanic on mosts map, would make them usefull enought for having both good fighters and good bombers confrontation. I wouldn't like the infinite base idea tho On another hand non tickets base destruction makes dive bombing AI units in RB usefull, making polyvalent bombers better and this could be interesting to keep on certain maps. To make bombers great I would also love more special objectives like destroying a bridge in a way to influence ground battles...

I remember doing an air AB match a few years ago. I used the Ju 87 R and managed to destroy all of the bases by myself, and didn’t die once. Attack planes are probably better than the large bombers when it comes to destroying bases.

The best and simplest fix against bomber discrimination is to have a game mode where fighters are completely banned from being used.

isn't there the "assult gamemode" where you become the interceptor and destroy hordes of bomber coming onto 1 specific target?

I think gaijin should return most of the old ways of bombers, minus the cracked ai gunners, and focus on teaching players not to try to fight bombers singlehandedly. You need cooperation if youre going to be a bomber, and you will also need it to intercept the bombers. The base with infinite health is a very cool idea too, I'd like to see how that would work.

I've had the idea of RB Enduring Confrontation in my mind for a while now and I think that gamemode would actually make all of the different types of aircraft even more usefull than they already are (yes, even strategic bombers). You could be part of a big bomber formation with player controlled and ai aircraft trying to destroy a factory or big dam. Interceptors make sense there too and then you have fighters that can protect the bomber formations. You don't just have one spawn but have to pay sp/every team only has so many tickets. And the best thing is the gamemode is already in the game, all gaijin would need to do is change the difficulty from simulator to realistic and boom - new fun gamemode I think a lot of people would appreciate.

As a bomber player, I can say that it definitely gets frustrating. Then again, everything in War Thunder does. Bombing has a certain intensity to it, and it's pretty fun when you do it with friends as a team.

I played WT for several years when it first came out, and then took a multi-year break, and then came back. I noticed Air RB was different but I couldn't put my finger on as to why.

You know, I accidentally deleted war thunder, while I was transferring my stuff over to my computer, and I just never bothered to re-download it, every time I hear about a different change that they’ve made to the game, I feel more convinced that not re-downloading it was the right idea

I've seen a couple games especially recently, come down to who can get their payload to the AF first. I wouldn't say bombers are entirely useless in Air RB, they can provide zone coverage too

I like bombers being super difficult and buffed! It’s like a boss fight, just give the matches more time

Fun fact: the old AI gunners were never nerfed for AI planes. So you can imagined my shock when I hopped into dynamic campaign only to find the gunners had literal aimbot.

Ten years ago...woo boy 2014. I remember back then the biggest complaint was that the economy of running the bombers made them impractical. Get shot down once? Doesn't matter what else you do in that game, you'll never recover from that financial disaster. Even if you did you job as a bomber, take out your targets, hit all the objectives and win, you still wouldn't financially recover from flying that aircraft. Even on my best games where I would be near the top of the leader board I'd lose thousands with my B-17. So I ended up sticking with my low tier planes, my little dive bombers and fighters at 1.7 or so. They were more fun anyway, it was always to to get in a scuffle with a fighter while in a Douglas Dauntless. Dive, pull up to fly low and drop bombs (had them on a timer), if I was lucky the fighter would eat the bombs. If not so lucky then it was dog fighting time. I had a few games where I did really well with that plane.

i think the modified bomb target should be two, as in a primary and secondary that is set to be parallel to each other than side by side like now, meaning if you miss the first one you can gamble and attack the secondary that's closer to the enemy's airbase. also only having one spawn should be changed to only having one spawn for every plane class (basically a max of 3 or 4) that's also limited by spawn points so not everyone can spawn 4 times. basically the game should commonly end by mission goal rather than team elimination

Truly the only safe place to be a bomber is air arcade or high up in ground rb lol

There was a game mode called guardian angle. Like what you mentioned with the AI bombers heading to the targets. However, the Ai bombers were easily killed even in a formation. Mainly because the escorts spawned too far behind and the bombers were not durable. And the low gunner accuracy. Even if they didn't rework air RB. Then just making them more durable is a improvement.

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I'm gonna be honest, I think one of the biggest issues with bomber gameplay is that, by getting air spawn and therefore getting to the battle zone before friendly fighters do, they are left alone without escort and are made easy pickings for interceptors. They should take off from airfields and get to the battle after the waves of fighters have already engaged one another. The single bombing targets would also be a great addition, and I quite miss having to go after the enemy's base after bombing everything else to try and end the match. When both bases became vulnerable it would become a race against time to destroy the enemy's while defending your own. All of this isn't helped by the fact you only get a single spawn, so you fly for the better part of 10 minutes just to get whacked by a fighter you never saw and end up going back to hangar. Just a waste of time.

Bomber mains should stick to SIM rather tan RB , RB nowadays is just an arcade with double RP and SL rewards, nothing much to offer in terms of gameplay and balance

I still play War Thunder however apathy like this on the part of the developer is why I am unlikely to ever recommend this game to anyone.

Honestly i love bombers but it annoys me the fact my gunners cant hit anything including fighters directly flying behind me or kill me in a fraction of a second

I remember playing the Beta. Flying in my PBY-Catalina on a nice and sunny map. Having fun. I remember wanting to get the B-29 so bad but it seemed so far away. Back in 2019 or so I finally unlocked the B-29 and was greatly disappointed. I do wish we could get strategic bombers. I think this could be an amazing update. Dedicated to big maps. Encourage higher altitude fighting. Where it's not hard to get to 10,000m at top tier. A strategic bomber should be higher. Would also be interesting to see them add new bombing targets. I love the idea of a B-2 launching several cruise missiles awhile away. Not sure how it would work in GB but would need some work.

You should try playing bombers in Sim. It's completely different gameplay and a lot more for stuff to do for the bombers.

This not only applies to air RB but arcade as well, i remember back in 2014-18 when i was grinding the American bomber tree and loving bombers as a whole (pby is still one of my favs just cuz its history) and arcade battles 8 times out of ten were ground strike or frontline, modes that allows bombers and attackers plenty of impactful gameplay. Playing with my friend who just started getting into war thunder in the past year and trying to aid him grinding his bombers is actually worse than hiv aids. Airfield domination ends up being the mode more often than ground strike and frontline combined ever had been. So your spawning within the climb range of enemy intercepters on modes that only offer something to do if you lose alt. in suicidal capture attempts or carpet bombing airfields the whole match hoping for just one surprise award and getting shot down after 2 bomb releases, not bomb loads, releases

The truth is, strategic bombers are big, slow targets. They need to be present in numbers to somewhat protect themselves, and most of the bomber is empty space, with mostly empty fuselage and wings between crew members, controls, structural components, and fuel tanks, meaning they shouldn’t break into pieces unless a vital component is hit, or the enemy is using HE cannon rounds. In theory, they should be able to eat regular MG and AP cannon rounds unless it’s aimed at a vital component. Gaijin gets all of this wrong. I just want to see massive bomber formations take on waves of interceptors, like they did in real life. It would be epic, AND realistic.

Your pitch on the new objective would be amazing

The best bomber in the game is the SB2C, and you cannot change my mind. It doesnt pack the biggest bomb load but you can drop what you have and then turn with damn near any fighter with efficient use of flaps, and the twin 20mm cannons rip planes apart.

The strategic bombers should spawn at 8000-10000 meters in the first place. Spawning them so low is like throwing the players on spikes

The only problem is that imo the grind wasnt easier. Many tier 5 jets had much higher research costs. To get to the f86 f2 it involves researching 5 previous planes which where all 180k RP to 340K RP and then buying it for 1.3M SL. The japanese sabre was 1.9M SL!

maybe they should create a gamemode where bomber actually have to bomb in order to win and everyone could respawn once, that would make escorting and intercepting much more worthwhile

I'm an air main with just under 5k hours. I play ground sometimes, but I do not care for ground rb. I haven't played in about 2 months because air feels totally broken. The last match I flew out the A-10. I got 3 air kills and about 10 ground. With premium, I made 8k lions. I can't afford to buy the 4 jets before the F16 because I don't want to play this game like it's a job. I used to have millions of lions on hand at any moment, but now that all gets eaten up when I unlock a top tier jet, and I never bothered to buy and fly out mediocre aircraft on the line before them. I rarely buy premium. The last time I did before this year was in 2018. I made 100k lions nearly every match if I flew out something rank III-V. Now I'm making less than 40k with premium vehicles over rank V.

Players should get significant score just for escorting bombers, but of course that would make the game more realistic and make the grind less inconsistent, so it'll never happen.

Bombers ruin AIR RB period.

That's exactly what I've been thinking about bombers for the last 4 years... But I also have another idea for everything in this game to start making much more sense. I think it's time war thunder introduces a combined arms mode. Something more "battlefield" style but on a grander scale: Imagine objectives to conquer for ground forces, airbases to bomb for ground attackers and support roles for naval units. Possibly on a couple of big maps designed to create opportunities for each of those unit types to also Clash with eachother. Can you imagine how cool it would be to sit in your Sherman, pushing inland to capture a village and suddenly see enemy attackers heading your way, only for allied fighters to come in and save the day. You manage to repel the tanks guarding the objective but as soon as you get there you begin to endure heavy shelling... Not from the usual artillery strike ability, but from enemy ships, with players in them, that just now succeeded in securing a position along the coast and are forcing you to retreat. Your team's ships are still far away dealing fortified positions but this time your bombers are already on target. and on and on it goes.... Until one team completes the objectives or eliminates all opposition. I don't think it would be so hard to make... They already have big maps and all the possible units you would want are in the game and function well together

tbh , "good ol' days" block sounds like typical sb experience now. Bombers are extremely op , require 0 skill to operate and farm you tons of sl and xp. Even if you go higher br you will still see full teams of bombers , but instead pf b17 its f5 or f111

I'm glad this video was recommended to me because I started playing War Thunder again recently after not doing so for years, and I could not remember bombers (especially gunners) being so utterly useless, but since it had been so long I assumed it was me just being bad lol

What if you wanted to grind bombers, but Gaijin said “Domination”.

i play air sim decently regularly, and bombers are really fun in it. I think adding AAA to bases in RB was a really bad idea, as it forces you to stay high and exposed to interceptors. I love doing low-level high speed runs on bases in SB in a B-25, compared to RB, where you're exposed, high and dry, with no place to hide.

What sucks the most is you have this fucking task on the BP that you need to get 3 kills with bombs of multiple weights, and for the exact reasons you've mentioned, I hardly ever research bombers, let alone play them. It's been frustrating, infuriating even.