IDK if the subtitles in English are accurate but yes, Indrid is talking about a SA that happened when they were living together. Oh, also, yes, she exposed his health condition but I think is possibly because people were thinking she was the one having problems reguarding sex.
She did say she had sexual issues, then switched to blame it on him. She would have to specifically accuse him of SA; she can’t just hint at it. How could he be arrested without specifically being accused?
@Coolbrownie11 this is what i heard as well. She had previously disclosed that she had issues with sex with previous relationships, so i was a bit confused when it became him having the problem
@royalty7390 that's what she said she lied and said it was her with the problem to protect him, and it turns out it was him with erectile dysfunction. Which he confirmed
Marilia said on IG that Leandro should've gone from the reunion to jail after Ingrid talked about what happened. People here in Brazil are really pissed at Netflix for handling things the way they did.
Honestly I didn’t understand what Ingrid was trying to say but Leandro reaction to it was so weird. She was implying a lot without giving the details. That whole situation seemed ominous.
She was probably advised by her lawyers that she shouldn’t use the words “r@pe” or “s&xual ass@ult” to avoid being considered an accusation of a crime, as that could open up different allegations/paths for a lawsuit from him against her. the same for the network and the presenters lines (although they should def have handled it more seriously) - they can’t formally charge him assuming it is all true. they should have put trigger warnings and give more support to her, though.
How is Netflix STILL getting away with putting survivors in the room with their aggressor?! They did the same during the Queer Love Ultimatum reunion and it's so irresponsible!
@@Max-ql2pv survivors?? Aggressors? How is it that ppl so easily forget U will always reap what u sow! The wages of sin is DEATH And death appears in many forms
I'm choosing to vent a little here, but to be clear, it's completely understandable that you were deeply confused by the entire segment with Ingrid and her ex-partner. The show edited this segment so strangely and obtusely... and then to carry on with a standard, light-hearted reunion after that revelation, accusation, whatever you call it -- after allowing the accused person to be the last person to have the word, on an international stage -- made me feel physically ill. WTF was this??? The emotional whiplash... I've run out of words for it.
@membriash ❤ They didn't need to make the reunion this way. They didn't need to put Ingrid, or the entire audience, through this. I can't believe that they fully realized how massively re-traumatizing something like this is to not only Ingrid, but at least a fourth of their audience... but I'm so angry. They should know. There is no excuse for making this TV drama.
@@Lilfishdroyd I guess we'll see the details eventually, but my impression is that no one knew exactly that Ingrid was going to say all that she said. They were all taken by surprise, especially because I doubt production would force her to be in the room with the guy who SAd her, and given what they did regarding the American S5 with the SA case and the other girl who was cut from the show because the guy threatened to sue in case he was shown, I don't think they would like to bring a case of SA into their show. They should've added a trigger warning in the beginning of the reunion episode, tho.
Ingrid in Portuguese said that while she was sleeping he touched her and she said to him to stop but he continued doing that type of thing and he has no respect for her
Other Brazilian RU-vidr explained that someone who was at the recording of the reunion told him that Leandro is addicted to pxxorn and that the word "grape" was mentioned but was cut in the editing.
They should never have a show where they put stranger in a hotel room, encourage them to have sex on cameras etc…and get married with men and women who are visibly emotionally unhealthy.
They don’t just put them there? People sign up for the show and know the risks as grown adults. None of this is her fault or the company love is blind everyone knows what they signed up for but it’s the guy who ruined it no one else
Ingrid is talking about sexual assault. I understand that you folks aren't familiar with the way marital rape is discussed, which is a good problem to have I suppose. But I don't think it's a translation issue, because I was immediately able to recognize that she was talking about sexual assault. Please consider editing the video and info box with a content warning. edited to add: thank you for updating the info box so quickly and I absolutely agree that Netflix treated this issue irresponsibly. To be honest I don't watch the show (don't have Netflix, just following as a sub of your channel) but I'm upset.
We did upload with the description, but I agree thats not enough. (Nobody reads those) Im updating the Thumbnail and Ill see if I can add any post production to the existing video
@@membriash Oh then I'm sorry I overlooked that, honestly. Your channel/you two have consistently seemed conscientious about stuff like trigger warnings & I thank you for it. And really the bigger problem seems like Netflix didn't know how to react in real time to what Ingrid was conveying.
@@anniev.9659 you dont need to apologize. Im more worried about making people feel things they dont want to. Some of the anxiety Ashley describes in the video is a trauma trigger. Thank you for keeping us honest
@thecupressiana5923 I've been devastated for her after watching her confess her abu5e - no one deserves that. For him to show up & sit there like his actions were not demonic...I just can't! There really should have been a warning too - so many watched this and were completely caught off gaurd and triggered. Even if not triggered, her story deserved the respect to be acknowledged beyond what the hosts said after she left the stage. Such a failure on production to treat Ingrid, the audience, and the subject matter with respect.
Hello ! I'm from Brazil and just landed in your video ! Regarding the case of Leandro and Ingrid, the public debate is intense here right now. Leandro waited for her to sleep to sexu@lly @busing her, which is considered r@pe under the our laws. Yeah, it´s that serious ... Hope I helped ! Greetings from São Paulo, Brazil !
Thank you for sharing that ... I wondered if things were just different under your culture and laws. Helps make a stronger case for cancelling my Netflix.
I watched the reunion about 6 hours ago and have been waiting with baited breath for your reactions. I need someone to be in the chaos with me. I still haven’t processed what I watched. I was not ready for it.
Me confunde el que Ingrid siempre le estuviera mencionando la construccion de la casa que ella tenia afuera, no se si es q buscaba quien le hiciera la casa o un esposo en realidad, quizas eso es lo que tiene a el esposo alejado.
What the heck went on? I stopped and rewinded the show so many times to make sure I read what was going on. This was.....I really don't have words......was she talking about marital gRape?
I think Maurelia and Renata just tried to save face, they now both know both Patrick and Alex are the playboys they were warned about. They should have been more sincere with their partners on LIB, instead of pretending that they are “OK” and ready. I agree that Aurelia was the only voice of reason, and since no one supported her or her suspicions, it was hard to have to prove to girls that Evandro is a liar or that men are playing women in front of her face. She was spot on!
OMG does Ingrid look gorgeous at the reunion( That dress!) I feel bad for Ingrid because like Vanessa I felt she was in all in for the love. I can feel Ingrid's hurt and anger through the screen. 😢I'm understanding he couldn't perform consenually so while she slept he had sex with her against her will. I could be wrong?? She smashed the photo so they broke up. I'm shooketh by Ingrid's story!
Yea, at first I was thinking maybe handy (HJ) while she slept but then at the end I had the same understanding and then at the end she was awake and able to speak up and he still didn’t respect her. This should not have been on screen but it seems that she wanted to mention it in public? Not sure just based on the rubbing it in his face comment but I could have understood that wrong.
@@MsZrican10 Hi MsZrican... I agree 100 p.. Why did LIB not have Ingrid talk privately elsewhere on this instead of on stage with her abuser. She was clearly in alot of distress it wasn't fair to Ingrid. Wonder why her comments were so chopped up by Netflix. Could they have a lawsuit on their hands?
They clearly pay people to take part. It’s wild how people who’ve been divorced for only 3/4 MONTHS go back on the merry go round they’ve only just got off! As John McEnroe would say: “You CANNOT be serious!”
Hi Brazilian here, and yes, Sao Paulo is the place where the big advertisement agencies are so its common to go there to work on careers that have to do with this world. Most influencers that dont live in Sao Paulo are constantly traveling there to shoot publicity stuff.
My gf thought ingrid and Leandro would still be together. I was hopeful for Ingrid’s sake, but thought they’d be separated. I was worried about if Leandro would actually put actions behind their plans bc she seemed to have her stuff together. It seems he didn’t, but I never would’ve imagined the horrendous things he did to her in addition to that :(
That is what she stated in another video (Ingrid casamento as cegas UOL) here on RU-vid. She was awaken several times in increasing levels of sexual violation until she realized those were akin to "grape" and sent him packing.
The city of São Paulo respecting the differences could be compared to New York (but also LA). It is a city where people from all over Brazil and also other countries try to make it live. The accusation of Ingrid is really serious. In my opinion, she refers to sexual assault. I think that her public statement could be handled by Brazilian authorities since the show had repercussions on Brazil's news/ social media. I am also confused with the Renata/Alexandre relationship, maybe it is not a barrier language. As I miss my home country (Brazil) I watched the show. Thanks for covering the show with your reactions/comments. 😊
OMG! I am brazilian and I had no ideia that the show was being streamed in other countries as well! Just so you know: Brazil is all about Ingrid (and Leandro) right now! The show was released at 7 a.m. here and it was very shocking to watch all the ab*** report. I really hope that everything is solved with justice! But after that, it was impossível to pay attention to anything else on the show.
I'm glad to hear you're Brazilian because I would like to know if the subtitles are accurate. I was very confused as to what happened exactly. Did Leandro r*pe Ingrid in her sleep?
well I have my doubts as he was not allowed to speak, she wanted him to build half of her house (but it was her project not his) and outing his sexual dysfunction was not cool.....you never know what happens behind closed doors, if he kept taunting him about his performance this is the best way to may him not perform...
This reunion was horrible, I’m so sorry for Ingrid 😢 Thank you both for reviewing the show, and if you ever want to watch the previous seasons of LIB Brazil, I thought they were better than this one. Will you be reviewing LIB Mexico (starts Aug. 1st) and LIB UK (later in August)? That would be awesome if you did!
Context: YES! Ingrid was talking about SA. Leandro has ED and would do things to her while she was asleep, because that's the only way he would "function." That's what she meant by he only cared about his ego and try to fix his problem using her body. She said she used to sleep naked and started to wear clothes, have panic attacks and eventually moved out of the room because he would take advantage of her while he was sleeping
To be honest, I believe Leandro has a problem for consuming too much porn, and simple things doesn’t turn him on. Why he wants sex with her while she is asleep but not awake? Too much pornography consumption does affect the regular interaction between couples. Many couples get divorced because of that.
To be honest, I believe Leandro wasn't attracted to her and used porn to prime is member. Then he tried to put the moves on her so she could see he can get hard. It was a tire fire from the moment he couldn't get hard for her... Except after the sex therapy session.
I’m confused on if yall are just talking about the US seasons you’ve seen personally bc the US is more successful in terms of marriages staying together. 9 out of the 11 marriages are still together (so 2 divorced). And it seems even if Brazil has more marriages, a LOT of them aren’t still together unfortunately
Typing as it goes along... Not shocked about Marilia and Patrick..curious about his hair was he that affected by Renata's comments that he got hair plugs afterwards... Worried that Kaled and Muriel sit besides each other but all other couples sit apart..are none of the aired couples still together..
marilia's comment wasn't abot her voice being annoying. it's because her and Patrick have a really specific accent from an area of the city of são paulo, and people were making fun of that accent because people who have that accent usually claim that they don't have an accent. kinda like people from the US tend to think they don't have an accent, that they just speak "normal". so this is what people were memeing or mocking, the fact that their accents were super specific to that class of people (who usually are, or seem to think they are, a little more on the wealthier side)
Yes, she did!! I watched an interview of her saying that there is a restriction order against him, to not aproach her, and there is a persecution running.
Sou brasileira, e nos mulheres estamos muitos sensíveis com o que aconteceu. E ainda temos a notícia de uma popstar que foi traída grávida. É muito para os nossos corações
Oooooh what happened during the reunion could explain why it is impossible to watch it in France. The reunion was supposed to be watchable since yesterday morning but it is still not available…
I’m in the UK and watched it yesterday, but didn’t complete the reunion show. I went back to see it today, to find out that the whole LIB series had gone! I got another device and watched it on Netflix Germany.
I'm not shocked by Marilia/Patrick or Renata/ Alex ( in a non faithful marriage now?) Were the marriages we watched on air real marriages under the law? I noticed Ingrid left the stage, do they even mention it in the show? They should offer her therapy for her trauma .. Disgusting behaviors. I don't care about Arielia and Evandro anymore why is LIB force feeding us them. This show just combusted after the marriage episode. I feel so sad for Ingrid! heartbroken.💔 Congrats only to Vanessa/ Leonardo( on air) and Kaled/Muriel ( off air) 💗💗 Thank you for covering this series!!!
yes, they are! The laws concerning divorce in Brazil are not as hard as in the USA. Uusually when you marry to someone and decide to divorce you're gonna split the assets that you acquire after the marriage. That's the more usual way people get married. So after six months or one year, you just share what you built together, which is not much... It's quite sad because a lot of people get married without thinking twice, and the marriage as it should be - to create a family, partnership, and so on is not seeing as serious as it was once... Especially when Netflix pay for everything.
@@anandadaquino3604 Hi and thank you for answering my question.. I was starting to think from the reunion we all saw they were not in real wedded unions. That makes sense leaving the marriage after a shorter time frame you only take your equal share of a life lived together. So true on you saying about Netflix paying for all the weddings etc it cost them nothing so wonder if causes them to be less invested in making things work.
I like the fact that every season the reunion is different. My biggest problem though was that the women talked way more than the men. Especially Renata, I had to take a break 😂. I feel so sad for Ingrid because I just realized what really happened in the comments. The subtitles were not really clear and edited on purpose. Ingrid and Leandro shouldn’t have been at the reunion.
From what I got from the subtitles regarding Ingrid and Leandro: 1. She had to wear different things and even moved to the couch to run away from him. 2. He did not ask her when she was awake to work on his ED issue together but waited until she was asleep to touch her 3. She asked him multiple time not to touch her From these 3 things one can gather that she was not referring to him masturbating but SA 'ing her. On this one I don't agree with Ashley that basically it was not her place to reveal his ED which is a health condition, that he should have been the one to reveal it on his terms and not her because this was very much tied to her story of the SA she endured from him ( at least to her understanding). It was so irresponsible for Netflix to air this without any trigger warning and for the hosts to just move on so casually. At the very least they could have even added something during editing to address this. It was so careless of them.
@@pixiestxNyomouf Agreed. However my point is based on how Ingrid saw and experienced him in their entire interaction from the moment they physically met. This was a reunion not the court of law. To HER, his ED and how she handled it and him throughout their engagement & marriage until the point of the violation is relevant to their "reunion story".
Edited to add: sorry this is long. I started to explain what I've gathered on it. Then I passionately started ranting about it. Idky to you but none the less I did. Lol. So if you don't want to read my novel rant about this I fully understand. Clearly I have a lot of thoughts on this. After the first paragraph it doesn't ass any context or answer your question. ❤❤ From what I've gathered from other comments is he has a kink where he likes to only have sex with sleeping women. Which I'm not here to kink shame and typically don't but if you can only get off with an unconscious person I think therapy is a necessity because that could very easily and terrifyingly turn into something else, imo. Anyways, I guess according to what I've heard from people who speak the language he was trying to do that. She expressed her discomfort with it and told him not to do that. He continued to do it and ignored her. Some sources have said that she would tell him to stop and he would continue anyways(not yet again but like fully disregard her saying NO.) Some sources saying it was that he would repeatedly initiate it. Some seem to think there's a difference between the two. I don't though, they are both assault to me. Its only a kink if it's consensual in my opinion, then it becomes an assault. Idk why people seem to think him repeatedly doing it is better than continuing once she ends it. Either way he fully disrespected her boundaries and is an unsafe person for her. He needs to be punished and get help. The "kink" in itself is highly questionable but with the added context he is fully unhinged. Also I've seen people arguing(not in this comment section but others) that if they're married/in a relationship it's fine to initiate sex while the other is asleep because they agree to it all the time. However, it's not an open door policy. You're not required to just do it because you're with this person. I have been married 15 years and this is a conversation we have had, early on and check in. I get people being okay with it, I am but we've agreed to that. My husband doesn't get off work til 1 am and we have kids so sometimes I wake up to that lol. Which tmi I know but just saying for the sake of I get people who are saying it's fine they're together. It's only fine if it's been discussed and is an agreed to thing. I can't wrap my head around people thinking he is entitled to do as he pleases because they're married when she has said she's not okay with it. Id be more inclined to say it makes it WORSE that they're in a relationship. You're suppose to be able to trust your husband to keep you safe, secure, and protect you. He should never be the one making her feel unsafe. I can't believe Netflix platformed him in this reunion then gave access to every country while not translating it properly to leave it confusing. Then to let him not only talk but then have the last word. Netflix needs to do better with these things and not put a victim with their abuser on a worldwide show and especially when handled this way. I had to read SO MANY posts and comments to even make sense of what happened because it was portrayed so poorly I was so confused.
Membrash I watched your recap of the wedding episodes AFTER I watched the reunion. And I cried watching how warm and fuzzy you both felt. knowing and dreading what a sickening experience was waiting for you. Should I have warned you? I just feel so sick and jaded now. And. unfortunately. very triggered. I love your videos and your personalities and I look forward to more Mole reactions and hopefully the Bachelorrtte. It's looking entertaining so far.
First off, I want to thank you both so much for your post especially without coffee. I became a subscriber based off of this. My post is going to be a little bit lengthy, but please read it haha. You have to watch Season One. It is full of drama that will explain why they showed the couple with the baby along with successful couples. Also, my thoughts on Ingrid and Leonardo - they could’ve had this reunion be a two-part series because we needed a full hour to unpack Ingrid and Leonardo‘s drama, especially with subtitles. Lastly, I believe that Renada and her husband (I forgot his name) have a betting problem. He bet Patrick some money and he was willing to stick out this side of marriage for additional money because, remember, they get paid from the show. Renada wants a baby from him and once she gets that, she’s done. Ariela Why was she even there? She was very respectable and growth because she didn’t even get into the meat and potatoes of the lies and where were the receipts? I feel like Morelli and Patrick were just here for a good vacation. They never were really going to make it at the distance. I feel like Patrick at the end fell in love with her, but when she realized like the party is over, "I’m done" getting money for him. I knew something was going on with him because his face seems swollen. I know he put on a little bit of weight since the show, but I wasn’t expecting a hair transplant. The fact that he got back with his ex makes me think that Renada was right. He was just here for some quick money. and why did Vanessa have her husband out there with zippers on a jacket looking like magic Mike a hot mess OK that’s all sorry for the novel.
Anyone else have nightmares last night because of this horrifying reunion episode? Thanks @membriash for helping us process. Brazil has a *lot* of sexual boundary issues as a lasting legacy of what the Catholic Church did to Brazilian children down there (watch the documentary “Tony Robbins: I Am Not Your Guru” to learn more - one of the women in his seminar brings light to the country’s awful colonial history). I hope that Ingrid’s story can help bring healing to her country. And I hope more boys and men who have suffered from trauma can get help before they turn into people like Ingrid’s abuser. I’m praying for healing and accountability for all. Ameen. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🌺
Yes, I did have nightmares from it. But the example you give from the Tony Robbins documentary has nothing to do with the larger panorama of colonization in Brazil! That was a cult that had its origins in California in the middle of the hippie movement and was exported to Brazil.
Leandro never even denied whe SA Ingrid. He said he knows what he did to her was wrong, that he was focused on his ego and he's sorry about what he did.
idk if you guys heard, but ingrid recorded a video talking abouth absolutely everything. and she confirmed in detail that leandro repeatedly abused and r-worded her during their marriage and after she separated from him, he then proceeded to stalk her. so yes, the show treated all that like it was only reality show drama when it was actually one of the most, if not the most, horrifying and criminal event in the whole franchise
Its so horrific. And I cant find virtually anything about it in english when Ive searched. Then all the people coming out to attack her online. I hope she gets an immense amount of community support by people she fan trust
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AOLegdrJJ0g.htmlsi=5VUnoQjLaSdqhLRb this video shows her whole answer, i don't know if you can get automatically generated subtitles in english
So, what actually happened between Leandro and Ingrid? It was only hinted at but never described or mentioned explicitly. I’m assuming Leandro sexually assaulted Ingrid in some way and had the gall to show his face at the reunion. I fail to understand how people, especially the contestants/cast, fail to see how incredibly toxic and unhealthy “experiments” like Love is Blind and Married at First Sight really are.
I had to rewind this so many times because I was shocked that she was explaining that she was sexually assaulted. Netflix really needs to be held accountable for highlighting the sexual assault issue within relationships and not continuing the show as if nothing happened! Not to justify anything I think that Leandro felt emasculated by Ingrid mentioning the financial issues and that the fact that he wasn’t doing what he should be as a man. He clearly wanted to take control over the situation and so he forced himself on her! Shocking that it seems like he wouldn’t move out! What I don’t understand is how it happened numerous times? So she remained in the same bed and he kept assaulting her?
@@Absolutely1and2 that’s the part that is really not clear to me. Maybe he was helping himself and then tried to force himself on her after he got it up? But there is definitely something that just doesn’t make sense in what she is saying.
I’M Brazilian and I’m laughing soooooo much with your react cause you’re having the same reactions as we did here watching 😅 everything was really messed up 😂 and yeah we were not getting it at the moment but it really seems like Leandro forced her to have sex and its been commented a lot on the internet because this is really serious stuff..😢
What i got is that he did not get a hair transplant.. he said that to throw us off to then say he now has no stigma about being bald. Also fuck Netflix and covering SA.
We werent going to because we need a bit of a break to work on the house BUT, youre the second request and Im remembering its only once a week. Why the hell not? 🤷🏼♂️. We’ll get to it right after we finish Mole 2 this week
@@membriash yay omg!! Thank you. You guys always have really insightful commentary while still making things really funny so I’m super happy about it. No pressure though if you can’t do it
Awe I hope other good things happened today for you and you had the wonderful birthday you deserved Gigi!!!!! Heres to many many many more great years. 🎉🎉🎉🥂🥂
Even I didn’t really understand what Ingrid was saying at first I was so confused I had to go to her page n watch TikTok videos to get more context which when I did I was truly disgusted!
Leonardo deve ter alguma tara em transar com pessoas dormindo, enfim Ingrid se sentiu abusada, ela chamou ele de broxa e depois deu a entender que ele era um tarado.
Maybe he is too addicted to porno and like to have sex based on the things he watches. I heard once that when a person is addicted to porn, the content gets weirder and weirder.
Marillia is soooooo over Patrick. She couldn't distance herself more. 😂😂😂 She looked great. I am so hurt for Ingrid, LIB could have protected her more. This whole thing could have been handled outside the reunion. With Ariela, I can't stand people who use mental health problems to justify bad behavior. Sure, she apologised, selectively (she was extremely rude to Evandro, no appology), but what is she doing to address her problems? I am with Marillia on this one. Appologies after such behavior constantly with no effort to get help or change is manipulative. Renata definitely came off as trying to save face. She should have at least apologised to Patrick, and Alexander should have taken more responsibility for his fatphobic comment. The hosts really didn't engage much on this reuion. It fell flat. So sad because I loved this LIB.
Wow im so glad i found this video and all the commenters have cleared it up. The English translation was horrible and made no sense. I am confused how he r@ped Ingrid while also not being able to get it up. Perhaps he is only turned on by doing it against someone’s will. That is really sick. He needs to be arrested if this is true. If she was lying that was the best acting ive seen. So at this point I believe her.
Wow, this reunion show was mins blowing. I was very confused and couldnt race over fast enoughbto see your reaction episode. Ingrid put out a statement on instagram 4 days ago and it is every bit as terrible as we assumed and then some. I now understand why she just put Leandro on blast. This isnt over, there will be more fall out over this. I used to enjoy this show but its seriously put me off.
Im confused about what people watched. I saw it with english voice over so maybe that’s why it came across very clear to me. Even if she didn’t say grape it was obvious that was what she meant. And the way she described that she slept with more clothes in bed over time and ended up sleeping laying on the floor (or just laying on the floor) with a panic attack.😢
Por favor alguien puede explicarme qué ha pasado? Por lo que entendí él tenía problemas de disfunción, ella que ría tener s.. y él esperaba a que ella estuviera dormida para tenerlo. Es eso???
I think its aweful showcasing people who have no intention on getting married. Then say not mow or yes to get free party n attention for fake reasons. People who lie should make a publuc apology n banned from reality tv.
Oooofff where to even begin... Ive watced seasons 2-4 and I would not by any means say its more successful than U.S. I think when ppl say they have better couples its more along the lines of the point you guys made for the weddings that these couples arent waiting to destroy eachother for a few followers. Renata and Ali , and patrick, are the only people ive felt came on the show for fame. The couples that havent worked out.. i still felt they were genuine and it just didnt work. Okay but who cares about any of that this whole reunion was nothing compared to Ingrid's story. I had to stop watching after her segment and come back to finish later on I was truly triggered. Im almost glad you guys didnt catch everything at first, i thought to message you guys with a trigger warning that Netflix didnt feel necessary 😒😒 but i figured youd already watched How irresponsible and disrespectful for them to chop up her words so theyre barely understandable, for them to not SAY THE THING (or cut out her saying it as another commenter pointed out), and then to let him say "his side" there is no his side- he is a predator idgaf about what he has to say. And what he had to say is "it takes 2" ?!?!???!! No tf it doesnt, what he did takes only 1 person THATS THE PROBLEM Sososooooo many of us knew exactly what she was feeling as she walked away in tears because her violator continues to downplay what happened, shrug it off, deny it, and put it back on her. Netflix- dishonor on you and all your families. DV and SV are👏not👏drama👏 Stop it. Immediately. Apologize.
Maybe I'm wrong but think him saying he got a hair transplant was to lead people on, I think what actually happened is that he embraced being bald and shaved his full head instead of clinging to his patches?
I was so confused and upset listening to your reaction to Ingrid & Leandro. It basically ended with Ashley mentioning Leandro not wanting to get married and talking about Ingrid calling out Leandro's ED and I thought, that's it, that's the worst that you took from all that? Did you guys see Ariella crying while Ingrid shared what happened to her? And did you see all the women getting close to Ingrid to hug or comfort her in some way - I've never seeing that during any LIB reunion ever have you? I don't know if it's your age/experience or you guys were just talking too much during the show. I'm not a Portuguese speaker and it was obvious to me .... Mitch was at least close to understanding it.
I dont want to make excuses but I do want to answer earnest questions. First off, we are both pretty privileged when it comes to safety in relationships. Neither of us have ever been in situations where either of us have been unsafe at home. And I recognize that one doesnt need to have that history but it does impact our perspectives and confusion. I do think that it was confusing for quite a few people (weve heard as much from many commenters), and its possible what Ingrid was saying was obfuscated by Netflix editors intentionally. Ashley definitely thought they were talking about Leandro masturbating or watching porn or cheating, and she was freaking mad when people clarified and we researched the fiasco after we released this video. One person even alleged that netflix edited out the word “rape” from the reunion. Ashley is also neurodivergent and was really thrown off by how the show just moved on like nothing had happened. I know these answers might not be what youre looking for but we were confused and thrown off during filming. Its why I pin comments and boost community words in the comment section to provide context we miss and dont understand. We both fully support Ingrid in this and Ive been deleting comments from rape apologists left and right since this video came out to make this video comment section as safe as I can
@@membriash Thank you for taking the time to write a response, one that is pretty detailed. For me, It may have been both certain experiences plus my intuition, and together with seeing how upset Ingrid was, plus the reaction of Ariela and the other women, this all made it easier to see and hear what was being said plus what was not being said. Plus I have watched a lot of true crime and I like studying body language and behaviour. I think Ashley is insightful, observant and sweet, and I really appreciate that about her, so I was just kind of thrown by her response. I was upset earlier, but I know that you are both good people and you would not want to be insensitive to others experiencing abuse. I don't know why Netflix even showed that conversation. To me it was like they were capitalizing on abuse. I doubt anyone would really expect that subject of SA to be discussed like that during the show, so that would add to the potential confusion. I'm sorry you have to deal with the rape apologists, and thank you for doing so and for caring about making your comment section safe.
I'm so sorry guys 😭😭 I swear this is not a representation of Brazil or the show lol This was the WORST season by far. The divorce concept was so promising but somehow turned into radioactive garbage.
Sorry but Renata making fun of Patrick's baldness just feels like historical reparation for straight women that are constantly opressed by unachievable beauty standards.
It was very hard to understand ingrid with the english subtitles because there were so many incomplete sentences. She said, "Everyday from 6 to 7am..., then mid-sentence it immediately cut to her saying, she slept naked and then with clothes, and then slept on the couch with her pillow. What happened everyday from 6 to 7am? And if something did happen why did she sleep naked AFTERWARDS and then with clothes. She didnt complete that sentence in the subtitles. Then it cut to her saying, "on my pillow" mid-sentence. What happened on her pillow? Then it cut to her saying "my daughters found me on the floor having a panic attack," and it was only then she told him "not to touch me and he didnt respect that". I dont understand, where the SA happened? She said "dont touch me" only when her daughters were there, not when they were in the bed. To me it sounded more like he was masturbating (on the pillow everyday from 6 to 7 am) and trying to fix his ED on his own by doing that and she was upset that he wasnt allowing her to help him.
According to Brazilians in the comments (who didn’t have to rely on subtitles), it seems the SA was about him having a thing for women being asleep [if u get my drift], and acting on that while she was in dreamland - so she moved to the couch; and folks suggest that perhaps he displayed an obsession with online visuals that showed the same type of behavior - which he watched every morning at a certain time each morning.
We need to talk about the demasculation of the man in purple shirt by the women in the green and how he constantly seeks approval for comments by the woman in green
Ingrid has always been extra dramatic to me on the season, it doesnt surprise me shes being extra on the reunion.he never seemed like the aggressor always the submissive. It sounded like a rape for some, but sounded more like he was masterbating, while she slept. I highly doubt he raped her, assaulted her, he always seemed to respect her, hes even letting her talk, giving her respect as where she disrespects him, and cuts him off. I know her type play victim so everyone can thinks shes innocent, open your eyes and ears ppl, everything isnt as black and white as it looks.
She's a women who is sure of herself and doesn't follow but depends to be in control. She needs to make it clear as day what happened in their bedroom. Hinting that someone assaulted you, and not stating facts is character defamation. Poor guy, he's just so quiet and doesn't know how to respond to her crazy dominating ass, hope she doesn't get him or his family I'm harm ways, with her none tears
I understood right away what she was talking about because I went through the same thing. Please don't call a SA victim "dramatic". Please don't be that kind of person.
