Bonus Drive Thru: Jim Cornette on Ken Shamrock In The WWF 

Angle stole his ankle lock move

@@sc30002001 then Swagger stole angles

@@SteelSunday yes but Kurt was vocal about stealing finishing moves

Hellyeah I'd also like to see them go in a mma match

I remember playing No Mercy and wishing Shamrock V Angle would happen

Plus having worked with some of the top grapplers like Suzuki and Funaki gave him an edge in style that nobody in America had at the time. But nobody cared for that kind of style. Makes it all the more sad. :(

Exactly everyone seems to forget that

He was in the WWF before, too! Ditto for Steve Blackman.

@@DropkickNation Thats the reason why i fucking hate 90s American Wrestling Jeezuz Entertaiment, Entertaiment, Entertaiment, Soap Opera, Entertaiment and complete forget whats a good wrestler should Know. Fuck Entertaiment, Fuck Soap Opera, Fuck Storylines, a Wrestler should be a Wrestler first before anything else. I wished the MMA and workrate thing were over in the 90s. That would be soo good. Lets make a star, LETS MAKE A STAR, yeah but when you make a star he will be to big for wrestling and will go away. The Star Concept only fuction a little bit of time at the time period one of the main reason why the Atittude Era was so short lived, its not a good concept for the long run. We had such good fucking people that would make ton of money, really cool guys like shamrock, severn, Funaki, Steve Williams etc. over the years. What for awesome matches you could book with them

yeah like brock lesnar

RetroNerdLife That's how Rocky Maivia became The Rock.

They can only use so many people on top at any given time. Given the other stars that were there in his era, he just got crowded out. That's just how it goes sometimes.

Well you had the Rock coming up as IC champ. And multiple times Ken failed to beat the Rock. You had DX coming up in popularity and Stone Cold not wanting to face him when he was champion. So Ken was in a bad spot no matter what.

He really wasn't, they built him strong, he just left pretty quickly

@@CavemanJesus4Life he won kotr

@@CavemanJesus4Life True that, sir👍 The WWF had a ton of talent at that time. Ken Shamrock had an uphill battle from the get-go, even though he was a UFC badass

makaveli 420 first mma fighter before Brock

Brock is a legit badass though. Not only that, but he has muscles on his muscles. I would have loved to see Ken come in and take the title off Brock though when Brock was universal champion instead of Seth.

MSFxBigBossxFOX -PSN- but ken was actually a good mma fighter. Brock was given a ufc title shot after going 1-1 because he could get buys, then he got his shit pushed in by Cain Velasquez and Alistair Overeem. Brock looks big but he’s a mediocre mma fighter with a lot of name recognition

@@abelmendez2527 you not smart are you

@@abelmendez2527 and Ken got KO'd by Kimbo Slice sooo yea. Ken was not the 1st MMA wrestler he was just the first in WWF. Brock was a animal as a Collegiate athlete which is well-documented. He also got a tryout with the Minnesota Vikings off the strength of his name what's wrong with that? That's what you do when these types of businesses you build your name up to gain opportunities. Brock Lesnar was signed by UFC as an attraction so obviously they were going to use him as such not bury him in the midcard. And one of those fights you're talkin about that Brock Lesnar lost you really had no time to train as well as the fact he was sick. Also Ken Shamrock fought in UFC when UFC was a totally different style of fighting. It was not the trendy thing it is now and basically anybody who thought they were tough enough no pun intended could fight. They had long rounds and the fights we're not very entertaining all the time. That is why Dana White implemented the round system in the UFC because some of these fight would go on and on forever with the fighter using rest holds. Both Brock Lesnar and Ken Shamrock are tough mofos. Even if Brock Lesnar was given a title shot in UFC he still won it right?? His point was to prove the fake wrestler could beat someone's ass in the octagon.

Hey cheapest gimmick ever just a hard hat and a plunger

Vince would have just called him “Shamrock,” dyed his hair & facial hair bright red, put him in bright green top hat & suspenders, with knee high white socks & black leather leprechaun shoes. He would have talked with a horribly cartoonish Irish accent, carried a plastic pot of “gold” and his finishing move would have been the “Figure Four Leaf Clover.” McMahon would become furious backstage on the headset if Shamrock didn’t loudly scream, “ME FINISHING MOVE IS GONNA HURT YA NOW, LAD!” just before applying the Figure Four Leaf Clover in every single one of his matches.

@@Voysh2Voysh69 Vince McMahon is Irish. He wouldn’t do something like that

PumpkinsDontCry I always used him on guys I didn’t like every time I made a caw of him on my svr collection

blackstruggle77 It would have been awesome. Also I don't know why he never came back to wrestling after 2002 but in recent interviews he said "I don't know why WWE don't brought me back"

No no he shouldnt not at that age Angle shouldnt of been wrestling in TNA given his back and neck are basically held together with duct tape.

Lost to R Truth

@Tim Allenbeing sucker punched in the back of the head with a telephone doesn't really doesn't count....

Severn wouldn't have jobbed to Ken, and vice versa.

Tim Chesnut because TNA was run by hicks. Jarrett put the belt on himself.

Dude, Jarrett made TNA just so he can be champ.

Being that big of a mark for himself didn't do him that many favors in the end.

People forget Jarrett was a world champ in wcw and sold many t-shirts he drew a little bit contrary to popular belief he wanted to start TNA to keep working and try to compete with Vince since Vince wouldn't rehire him of course

According to Jim Ross Ken wasn't always reliable and no showed a few times. Probably why Vince never fully went with Ken as a champion. His promo skills were lacking but his believability should have made up for it.

ForeverRanger 91 it's a real submission move that he had used in ufc and it is effective if done properly

Jake Carpentier that was actually a shoot...shamrock told them he didn't want to taste dog food...he really smashed that can on bulldog

Summer slam 97. I was in the 6th row.

gamer dude 6:12 totally agree

When I think of EARLY attitude era, tehre are 3 people taht come to my mind, dont ask me why: Ken Shamrock, Steve Blackman, D'lo Brown

One of the best entrance themes of all time

It’s tune

​@@fatalsniper3413tune* dipshit

David Childers Lmao 😂😂😂😂

When he called Undertaker, Mark, that was total bad ass. First time I ever saw a wrestler do that type of thing on WWF.

Shamrock would have done much better in Japan. They made him look like a regular guy and not a monster.

Yea

Early UFC wasn't exactly good though.

Leo Grant better than what it is now

"Vince McMahon is an amazing genius promoter, but an awful dumb Booker." This may be the most accurate and concise way to sum up WWE that I've ever heard.

I find it funny when hulk hogan claimed he helped with it

It was actually the NWA World Championship that he won. TnA was part of the NWA at that time.

Attitude Era had two of the toughest Shamrock and Blackman.

Except Austin himself says his best matches were with Bret Hart.

Yes. It was at the In your house PPV in May. The match got real, Ken broke Vader's nose and Vader also punched him for real because Ken was working stiff

They should've given him the role Big Bossman had with Vince so he wouldn't have to talk too much

Kouga The Wolf Pokemon but he hates gimmicks

Think it was before Ken was the World's Most Dangerous Man..so yeah, that's believable.

He's a huge reason why MMA blew up.

@@isitoveryet9525 it's a shame his best years were well behind him by the time he fought Tito the first time. His WWF run messed his body up big time. Still his popularity drew big numbers for the UFC when they were struggling.

@Jerry Thomas oh!

Giving a legitimate known fighter who goes by his actual name a kayfabe sister was so dumb...

Shamrock had one of the worst botches in wrestling in that story line too, when his sister froze up on camera and Ken audibly says "Slap me." before Ryan Shamrock hits him, it is very easy to hear. Can't remember what PPV that was, but it was a big screw up for sure. It wasn't edited out of the home release though, so WWF clearly didn't care too much.

TRJ2241987 st valentine's day massacre 1999 if i recall.. i remember hearing that on the VHS when i rented it from the video store! So bad and ryan shamrock was such an airhead - heard her on one of jr's podcast's i think last year and it was a trainwreck of an interview. So many ums, ahs and i dont knows to the questions poor jr was asking

Him selling a punch from Triple H eventhough the punch never touched him wasn't too much better.

TRJ2241987 lol I remember that. Me and my buddies were laughing about that for hours . I was like Ken you know the camera is on you like a foot away. Why would you do that?

Ryan Benson the same three letters in sucession. Hhh

@@maxcadey9223 HHH should have been called the grave digger.

EXPLISIT HIPHOP no

I think at the time WWE was afraid to push him because they thought it would make the UFC more popular than wrestling, and they wanted to show that the wrestlers could beat Shamrock.

In his heyday the only guy who could beat him was Royce Gracie in his prime.

You need to check out Pancrase. Just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it didn't happen...

WeCoolWeCool BOUNCE not in the early days of his career. He was the top guy for a while in MMA. True once he went back after his wwe career. He was too old and not the same guy. But in the early 90s. He was great .

talk about ignorance lol. Ken was great at both

Jay Burgess ken was never the top guy. He was the top for marketing though.

Dan and Ken didn't want to do the match on the WWF because they were 1-1 in the UFC and they thought that there was still money to be drawn if they wanted to go back, so having a wrestling match tainting the score wasn't something that they didn't want to do. He wasn't even on creative back then so of course he has no clue and he still dreams that Austin vs Steve Williams would do a huge buyrate lmao he's clueless

@@beaubakker7369 every bad comment only makes me more right. Keep em coming. Have a great day

That didn't age well, did it?

How'd that go for you?