I know that a lot of people don't agree with me, but I think the pre sequel is actually really good. I just love how you see jack's decent into madness.
Keir Stannard Keir Stannard Not to mention, it also created a few plot holes in the story. (Especially to do with tassiter's demise) but still, I love it.
It has its ups and downs personally I hope they keep the oz kits because we really could use a way to counter knock back (this is coming from someone who were sent flying off a cliff fighting a boss one to many times)
I know this video is old and Jack’s narrative has ended, but he’s a character I genuinely feel sorry for. He imprisoned Angel because she accidentally killed her mother with her extreme, uncontrollable power. He killed the Meriff because he’d attempted to shoot him in the back. He killed the scientists after his encounter with the Meriff because he was scared of being betrayed again... Generally speaking, he killed a few in an attempt to save millions... He definitely was an unstable person, to say the least, yet every choice he made was (arguably) justified. He did horrific things... yet they seemed to be for the greater good. Sadly the concept of heroism led him into madness - he could not perceive himself as anything but a hero, likely due to narcissism. One of his lines that really struck me was “Please don’t kill my baby girl”. Despite everything, he still loved Angel and was willing to ditch his entire agenda for her. I definitely feel like I’m rambling now but I really love Jack’s character. He tried to do well, he really did. I love your video, you’ve really created the perfect atmosphere. It feels just right.
i 110% agree with almost everything you said lol. i have seen jack as the hero since i began playing borderlands. there's a lot that goes into it and i think a lot of fellow vault hunters fail to realize that the "good guys" (lilith, roland, moxxi, brick, etc.) do as many (if not more) things that are awful (if not worse) than handsome jack, while jack had a reason for it and they really didn't have a reason for most of their actions. this can be seen throughout the games and there's a lot of examples i could give but we don't have much time lol. i also think that most people fail to understand the setting of the games were playing and that it's not orderly and everything else like real life. STORYWISE i think people dislike the Pre-Sequel because it (this is my opinion and the way i see it but i'll say it anyways) paints jack as the hero and shifts blame onto the people that most others think to be "the good guys". maybe jack wasn't a full on hero but he was much closer to it than anyone else. the theme song for bl2 had a chorus that literally says "this ain't no place for no hero", and it's not wrong, but jack was leagues above the bandit vault hunting scum he was trying to remove from pandora. i'm rambling too don't worry lol.
I honestly done all I could to join jack my first playthrough of the game I don't not even kinda care for the other characters in that game I can't even remember their names but no matter how hard I tried it never worked It was so sad to watch him die like that he deserves better
"Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?" "War. War never changes." "Kravchenko, Steiner, Dragovich...all must die." "Protocol 3, protect the Pilot." "Everyone thinks they're the hero of their own story." "Arthur, you're my brother." "But when I'm gone, everyone will remember my name, Big Smoke."
Jack: Ejects a handful of his own men when one is likely a traitor that threatens everyones life on Helios Lilith: This is terrible, what an evil man Also Lilith: Murders an endless number of Atlas and Dahl Soldiers just doing their jobs, steals everything not nailed to the ground, betrays and scars Jack rather than killing him, orders Athena to be executed despite not doing anything truly wrong. Lilith is the true villain of Pandora
@Sisugg Right on. People seem to think Jack was good before the presequel. What they seem to forget is that he had already enslaved Angel by then. Moxxi also left him before he was a psychopath.
Someone did not pay much attention in Borderlands 2, Jack was us the player a murder happy sociopath that’s own goal is to get a better weapon to kill things faster.
Jaiden Tezram The vault hunters think they’re the heroes too but this game showed us they were one of the things that caused handsome jack to go full villain
When Jack said " Everyone thinks they're the hero of their own story." That hit me so hard, because he is the hero. He's the hero with villainous ways, everyone turned on him and they attempted to murder anyone affiliated with the so called villian, only furthering his resolve to purge the "bandits". Of course he had some messed up ways of trying to get to the vault, enslaving Angel, killing vault hunters just trying to make a living, but to me he was so just in these actions, no one thinks what would have happened had he succeeded, he probably would've given angel the universe, make being a bandit like a cowboy outlaw in the 2000's: absolutely absurd.and made the world a utopia. This qoute is probably one of video games most iconic qoutes in gaming history.
Also he was the only one who had displayed the ability of harnessing and controlling the Eldritch monstrosities inside the vaults, stopping them from inflicting mindless havoc on the world.
I grew up on this game. I can’t explain how grateful I am towards gearbox and 2k making such masterpieces. Handsome jack is debatably the best antagonist ever created and they even get you to side with jacks point of view sometimes. I am soooo excited for borderlands 3. I just love this game. “Everyone is the hero of they’re own story” - Handsome Jack R.I.P we love you. Or at least I do
So this just kind of illustrates all of my conflicted feelings about Jack. It's like, he is a horrible person, a jackass supreme, but all of this though. Very well done 10/10.
+Keir Stannard Yeah. He really is an interesting villain. Can't help but love him though, even with all the horrible things hes done. Hes so entertaining.
Can you really call him the villain tho? Technically you play as the bad guy in all the borderlands games, like in bo2 there is posters showing all the crime the vault hunters have committed
Relax kid, ahaha Handsome Jack doesn't die.... just wait, as soon as I can complete the digi-struct. My new clone can get that endo skeleton from that stupid Loader. then I can just upload my AI in to him, and BAM! Jackified! Not really that hard, but in the mean time, I have to sit in the damn Hyperion network. Aha it really...REALLY sucks! but uhh. I'm getting by.
Little does ole rhysie know that I still hide away in the network, did the idiot think he actually frickin killed me!? What a moron. I can't believe I lost to that scrawny little loser.
I've never taken part in one of those I'm afraid, but you must have created the character, because you know more than everyone else right? I mean, he left Moxxi, he left Nisha.... ohhh no wait...
Well thanks to Roland, Moxxi, and Lilith most of all they helped create pandora's biggest villain and my top 3rd favorite villain in all of pop culture . (Slow clap) great job This just shows how simple things like trust can go a long way, or how it can bite you in the ass when you don't. "When is the villain, not THE villain?"
Mike jack was never the villain he was always the hero in borderlands you play as the villain jack is trying to give the people of Pandora a safer place to live and you take all of what he has left to stop him
soulslight gaming I feel the same way, but I just like the word villain better then hero just has a better ring to it. "YOU'RE A SAVAGE, YOU'RE MANIAC, YOU ARE A BANDIT, AND I AM THE GODDAMN HERO!!!" At least there's the theory it was thanks to Jack seeing the future that he placed Timothy in his stead to that moment so he could see the map to the other Vaults, it's a pretty damn likely scenario
I always thought that Viva La Vida by Coldplay just suits him soooooooooooooo perfectly "Now the old king is dead, long live the king" "Now I have the key, but the world has been closed on me" NOT EXACT LYRICS BUT SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES
Keir Stannard uh, i have my playlist TFTBL for a long time now and I store there various videos from this fandom, and I added this video not so long time ago and now im just rewatching it, so I dont remember, probably in "recommended"? Haha I have always such a good stuff in my recommended :D
Handsome Jack: the modern definition of a Shakespearean tragedy. and the reason why he's my all time favorite video game villain. His conflicts were grounded, motivations were clear, and struggles were real. He became a man with nothing left to lose, and continued to tell himself he was the hero. I still debate in my mind whether he was right or not. But what I know for sure is that Jack could've been redeemed, perhaps not in the sense of "Oh, I immediately forgive you and I forget about everyone who betrayed me and hurt me." No... Jack could've found the way to be the hero he wanted to be... but he fell so far. Nevertheless, Handsome Jack is hands down my favorite villain. And that's why I'm getting the same tattoo he has on his wrist on mine.
I've seen this video almost 2 years ago.. and my god it's still incredible to rewatch, it's so tragic and emotional... you can see how good he once used to be and then his turn to pure evil because of everything other people have done to him... and what he became.. this video is a literal masterpiece!
Favorite hero/villain... When I killed him the second time in tales from the borderlands I felt bad watching him plead for us to not kill him... From high on top of the world concerning planets and ruling Hyperion to the bottom and being killed by the new handsome jack
@@cl4p-tp69 Jack had the right intentions, he was just doing it all wrong. Jack wanted to get rid of the bandits but he was going to kill all living things on Pandora without knowing it.
This gave me major chills! Handsome jack is by far my favorite videogame villian and arguably one of the best/most developed ever made! Mad props to whoever made this, you were able to pack so much lore and raw emotion into one 4 minute video this is incredible!
It makes it more heart wrenching when you realize YOU were really the bandits. You played through 3 games preventing something that could've brought order to Pandora. He trusted us US we were so wrong... 😭
Somehow miraculously, you made me cry. There have been people who have tried and failed, and you did it with a 3 minute and 44 second long video. Bravo.
Wow that scream at the end when Angel died rip. Nice use for the TFTBL monologue of holojack... Rip Also: honestly still don't understand how Moxxi thinks killing Jack was a good idea. Feels a lot like Et tu Brutus Also I've never fucking felt so personally called out when Moxxi says: behind that smile, behind that hero complex. There's something incredibly wrong with you Oof
How you put it all together keeps making me cry. And this video makes me love Jack more then before. It makes me feel so bad for him and ... Ahhhh, it's so well put together
handsome jack really was the hero:( ive always thought that since the first time i played the games, and i always will think that. i'm going to cry in a corner now, this was so sad. lol
One of the most complex character. Character, whis is not 100% good or bad. One of the best heroes. One of the best vilains. Just Jack. And this video will always make me cry. Beautiful work.
Man I was looking in my liked videos....I started 8 days ago scrolling AS FAST AS POSSIBLE and I see this....I watched this around 5 years ago and I'm still in love with it, this is just perfect.
I’m here after completing BL3, and this kinda hits me. I miss Handsome Jack.. he’s by far one of the best gaming villains out there. The Calypsos were not bad at least in my opinion, but none will ever come close to the one and only Handsome Jack.
I’ve come back listened to this a lot and I came to realize Roland was the only one who felt bad about what happened to jack when he says sorry jack you can hear some hint of sadness in his voice Meanwhile Lilith and moxi don’t care at all
This was beautiful. I love the fact that the pre-sequel showed Jack's rise to power and how he went from someone who I believe really wanted to do good to someone who becomes the evil person he is in the second game that doesn't care about the actions only the results of what happens
Your only one step away from madness when you lost everything that gave you meaning it leaves the soul soured broken unable to be repair. The worst come from the ones closest to you that burns brighter that than any fire ever lit and never will be put out.
Stephanie Stark I'm still amazed that even though I made this video ages ago it still has impact on people. :) once i get a new laptop I'll be back on the video hype
Loved all the story line, everything about this video is just... wow. ''Everyone thinks they're the hero of their own story'' I'll never forget these words.
Dude this is great especially to someone like me who's been keeping up with the borderlands timeline, this is so good on so many levels, cheers to the creator 👏👏
Jack had peaceful intentions and a vision for a better world. What happens? He gets betrayed by everyone he cared about. Sure, you can argue that he did some questionable things in his pursuit for peace, but his good intentions would've saved millions. Jack is a hero. Hands down
What the Pre-Sequel never addresses is the fact that while Jack was being the "Hero" Angel was already locked up and being used by him for his sadistic purposes. She appeared in BL 1 which predated the Pre-Sequel, and the Echo logs indicate he locked her up when she was much younger than she was in BL 1. That is probably the reason Moxxi betrayed him and the others went along with it. He was never a good guy to begin with.
Exactly. People are like "Fuck Lilith, she betrayed him!", yet they forget about how seconds ago Jack had just murdered the 4 scientists responsible for getting him back to Helios/his robot army? Plus, as you mentioned, he'd already enslaved Angel and had been pumping her up full of Eridium for a while now. Also, when he confronted the Meriff, the Meriff was scared shitless of Jack for some reason.
While yes that’s true he was going to bring order to the land the bandits and vault hunters are the real villains on the story they only bring death and destruction wherever they go
I've said it before and I'll say it again. While Jack is technically the antagonist, since he's the one actively seeking to wipe out the vault hunters, it's really a mutual story of survival. Both sides are fighting for their lives. Jack wanted to protect his family, and the twisted rules of Pandora made his daughter kill his wife, all because bandits attacked his family. So he's trying to protect what he has left. He wasn't trying to imprison Angel. He was trying to protect her. To keep her safe from those who would do her harm just for being a Siren, which she had no choice in. At the same time, the vault hunters HAVE to fight back. If they don't then Jack will simply wipe them out. They wanted to free Angel, but she was so entrenched in Jack's bunker that the only way to free her was spiritually. They couldn't physically rescue her. And in the immediate aftermath, in a fit of rage, he killed Roland and doubled down on his original goals because what else does he have at that point? The Raiders never gave him an option for peace. They saw his actions, and interpreted it as a grab for power. They deemed him a mad man, because they were operating on different sets of information and there was no trust between them. Under different circumstances, Jack could have been an ally and an asset to the Raiders. A link to the top brass of Hyperion, and a way to use their resources to peacefully reform and cultivate the planet. But instead, it all became a mad dash for power at all costs. Jack isn't pure evil, and the Raiders are not innocent. That's just the perspective we're given. Or, as Jack says it "everyone thinks they're the hero of their own story." Our story in Borderlands 2 is as a Crimson Raider. And taking the pre-sequel and giving us the opposite perspective was a narrative stroke of genius.
So uhh... they got you too, huh? DAMN! they kill you at Opportunity? I was hoping I could use you to help transfer my AI. Getting a liiiittle bit nervous. N-not that I'm worried or anything, but uhh... are there any more clones?
Paint Pallet, Alright after 7 months I'm gonna tell you right now. STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING. IT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO HAVE RELATIONS WITH A DEAD PERSON.
I’ve said this many times but… Handsome is the best and most thoughtout Villain of Borderlands. Literally no other villain comes close to him, expect maybe being more funny than him but that’s about it. There’s just so many reasons and backstory to why Jack became crazy, his grandma abusing him as a child, his daughter accidentally killing her mother, being betrayed by a few close people which led him to get paranoid, his method are certainly cruel but they understandable to a degree… And like most people Jack eventually just enjoy killing people, like most video game players except we don’t go out and kill real people for shits and giggles… right?
hate to say it, but nope. i'm with you on the fact that everyone you can play as in BL and BL2 is pretty far from a 'hero' (i mean c'mon, they're vault hunters, not firemen) but handsome jack is a villain through and through. an interesting and COMPLEX one, but still a villain. in BL2, he's absolutely ruthless toward both the player character and everyone on pandora itself. sanctuary is a great example of this! i can excuse some of jack's justification 'nothing but bandits on that planet' for trying to 'tame' pandora, because in the games that's basically 90% of the encounters you'll ever make while playing, but the other 10% is what makes him a villain in the borderlands universe. sanctuary is FULL of citizens that want nothing more than to mind their own business and see the next sunrise. and yet jack deliberately tried to destroy this place for no further reason than "because bandits". killing indiscriminately, angel, and hyperion as a company makes jack a villain, no question.
Thank youuuuu! See? These guys know what the hell they're talking about! They're all just blood lust money whoring shitiots. At least I tried saving the world. I mean, sure I've done some......you know... bad things to accomplish that goal, but Uhhh.. Hey I had the right mind set okay!? Better than those frickin idiots.
I know Jack did some bad things, but all he wanted to do was make Pandora a better place. His goal was good and he was betrayed and hurt too many times, and not given enough love. He needed help and everyone just shit on him. I will always be on Handsome Jacks side. Fuck the crimson raiders!!
