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That’s fiction, and it’s slander. Rodrigo died of malaria, and people go around throwing murder accusations at him. The Borgias were no more corrupt than anyone else at the time, and they actually did a lot of good. Please read Sarah Bradford’s biographies of them. All the salacious legends have no historical evidence behind them.
The Borgia family reminds of a song from a man from Florence this is what sang Young Cesare, I heard him say Could not be killed by man So I tossed him through the air To see where he might land. Cesare, oh Cesare, A man of great depravity Believed himself immortal 'til He had a date with gravity.
i was pleased to see the acknowledgement of Ezio ending Cesare's life but i was over the moon with the inclusion of his song composed on the go while in Istambul. clearly a man of knowledge
Wikidata. (*Geneanet) "The Prince" (Macchiavelli) is Cesare Borgia, Duke of Valentinois (1475-1507). His only child was Louise Borgia, Duchess of Valentinois (1500-1553). Her eldest child was Claude de Boubon, Count of Busset (1531-1588). His eldest child was César de Bourbon, Count of Busset (1565-1630). His eldest child was Anne de Bourbon (1595-1641). Her only child was Louise de Pracomtal (Baroness of Soussey?) (?-?). Her only child was Antoine Louis de Damas, Count of Crux (?-1701*). His only child was Etienne de Damas, Count of Crux (1674->1721). His only child was Louis Alexandre de Damas, Marquess of Menou (?-1763). His eldest child was Catherine Antoinette de Damas (1749-1785). Her only child was Hervé Clérel de Tocqueville (1772-1856). His second child (and second son) was Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859), author of the "Democracy in America".
I can't believe the timing of this video! I was watching 'horrible histories' on TV with my grandchildren, and there was a song about them on it! I did some research myself and then saw that this video was posted just one hour ago! Thank you 🥳 😊
I know most of you guys know them from Assassins Creed but if you've got some time then I would highly recommend both The Borgias and Borgia TV series. The Borgias has the better Pope and Cesare's Assassin while Borgia has the better Cesare and also an actual ending.
I second this! I still haven't gotten to see the end of Borgia. And while I agree Borgia's Cesare was much more realistic and dark I actually love The Borgia's Cesare and just more overall - despite all the inaccuracies and reliance on rumour and dramatisation.
Always happy to see an Assassin's Creed reference here. Well played, UsefulCharts, well played. :) As for the pronunciation of Borja, pronouncing the j as an h here is correct if you take the (modern) Castillian approach. However, as pointed out they were Catalan and in Catalan the letter J is pronounced like in French as a zh sound (a voiced sh) and in Valencia it's actually pronounced as the English J so just going for Borja (English J as in John) would have been fine.
@@theshenpartei I believe I have seen some fan made family trees of Desmond Miles' and Subject 16's ancestry and these have included Altaïr, the Auditori, and the three Kenways (Edward, Haytham and Connor/Ratohnhnaké:ton). But seeing these trees getting the UsefulCharts treatment would indeed be very nice.
@@weepingscorpion8739 useful charts needs to make that happen along with the Ben Franklin gates family tree that is family from national treasure and each gate family member has its own story that is equally interesting since the ancestors to Ben were wild
I was just going to comment about the pronunciation of Borja. Castillan is not the only language in the Iberian peninsula. In Portuguese, we (as a Brazilian) pronounce the same as Catalans.
It’s all slander! They were no worse than anyone else. Rodrigo died of malaria, and to this day, disgusting people like the ones who made those games continue to slander him and his children with accusations. It’s a horrible historical injustice. Please read Sarah Bradford’s books about them.
The Borgias, despite being called like that and originally stemming from a family of knights from Borja, became prominent in Valencia. This is why they were often called Catalani or maligned as Catalanus as well as Hispani by the other Italian cardinals and clergymen in Rome. The French popes had mostly been Avignon popes at that point, so that didn't count, and the Roman Curia had true allergy to non-Italian Popes. Their fears (that they would make of the Papacy a Spanish affair, like they turned into an Italian, sometimes even just Roman, affair) came true mostly because of their very disobediance. You say the leading candidate to replace Nicholas V was Bessarion (who had quite the life and deserves his own video) but then say that the Cardinals wouldn't elect him because of his past as an Orthodox. Why, then, was he the leading candidate? Was it because of his attempts to unite the Catholic and Orthodox churches?
Another thing that Calixtus iii did as pope was that he foresaw the retrial of Joan of Arc, even though she was dead for over a decade at that point. Eventually she was vindicated, and I read somewhere that aparently the city of Orleans celebrated the the vindication, alongside Joan's mother
I recently got very interested in the Borgias and started hoping you'd make a video! Can't believe it happened so quickly after I happened to think of it, thank you. Compared to other dynasties/periods (like the Tudors for example) there's not as much RU-vid content about them to enjoy. I would love to see videos on all the other families of the period in Italy that people are suggesting, especially the Estes
@@ivylasangrienta6093 Not really. The French show is better than the Jeremy Irons show, but both take ample liberties with the sources and often will take as true only the most morbid versions of events, even when they're based on nothing but rumours, hearsay and slander, and that goes for everyone. For instance, having King Ferrante of Naples dining with his taxidermised political enemies is basically Jacob Burckhardt (the only source I know for this story, a 19th Century historian) trying to show that Renaissance culture could also be depraved by showing various examples of decadent behaviour among humanist kings and rulers. A result of the tug of war between his admiration of Renaissance Italy and his Calvinist tencencies to modesty and sobriety. The "museum of mummies" trope, the ruler who dines with his dead enemies, is as old as Herodotus, so maybe he didn't invent it, but it sure was convenient for him. By the way, King Ferrante was considered, at his time, by people like Machiavelli, as one of the most prime political minds in Europe of his age, at least until his cousin Ferdinand became King of Aragon, his court was one of the most splendid in Italy, and he fathered 19 confirmed children (!!), with his wives and lovers, and probably more with unnamed mistresses. These shows also go down the route of always showing the clergy as corrupt (they were, but corruption as such was not the same as today; being a little corrupt was expected, but it was fine as long as it was meant to maintain a retinue of clients, followers and agents, because it was seen as generous, not greedy, to give to your own people, to share the spoils) but also stupid and ignorant. It's hard for us to fathom how scholarly most of these high clergymen were, we're talking about people whose main job was to rule, to debate the finest points of theology and Church doctrine, and to direct part of European politics, society, philosophy... Instead, shows like Da Vinci's Demons show us a Pope laughably bathing naked in a cross-shaped baptismal pool (???) and saying "Fuck" all the time. They didn't even say "fuck" back then... and in the Borgias American show, the Papal election, which should be a thrilling moment of poltical intrigue, is basically a display of how much the writers aren't as intelligent as the people they're trying to write, and instead had them behave like Italoamerican mobsters, beating some cardinals down and openly bribing others. Besides being bad history, they're also pretty bad shows, the Jeremy Irons show consistently at Late Seasons Game of Thrones levels of awful contrivance, dialgoue, and characters with jetpacks.
Thank you! They actually did a lot of good, and would have done more, and I’m sick of seeing all this hate. I can’t believe people are still doing this.
Had Alexander VI not died Cesare might had been able to unify the Italian peninsula under Papal rule (more likely he would've declare himself King of Italy and branch of from the Papacy) and history as we know it would've been much different. If a fractured Italy was able to be the economic center of the western world spawning movements such as the renaissance imagine what a unified peninsula since the 1500s could've accomplished.
The Borgias by G. J. Meyer actually casts some doubt that Cesare and lucrezia were actually the children of Alexander. At very least its an open question
That is an interesting book, and anything that says that the Borgias were good is a positive for me… … but there’s no reason to cast doubt on Alexander being their father. If you’re a mature adult in the 21st century, you shouldn’t have a problem with his having children, and even if he’s not their birth father, he was their adoptive father, so it’s the same thing. They were his children and they were still no worse than anyone else. I don’t understand why Meyer chose that hill to die on.
@@FidesAla I don't think its a matter of maturity. Its merely a historical quibble. I personally do think he was the father but also agree that the sources on the Borgias are often biased or scarce. Its good to question our historical assumptions.
Wow!!! As a World History teacher, I cannot but be proud of this video.... I can now add another reason to my bitter reasons why the Showtime series upon this family was crap. Thanks!
I prefer Matt’s videos where he discusses facts clearly and succinctly and avoids sweeping generalizations and/or personal commentary and judgement. These last two videos don’t make the grade and, in my opinion, shouldn’t be on this channel.
Just chiming in about Borja's pronunciation. In catalan-valencian that j is pronounced the same as english Jacob or the G in George, not as the modern spanish "J" which resembles the H in ham more. This is important because a part from being the pronunciation the family actually used (along with the other surnames on the chart also being for the most part catalan-valencian, like Escrivà (Clerk/writer)) it's the one that gave the italianisation Borgia. Notice that italian retains the j/g sounds instead of rendering it like the spanish "j", which would probably been rendered as Borga with a hard g or Boria, since italian lacks the spanish j sound.
@@themechanictangerine4337 as far as I know, the family can only be traced back to Xàtiva, which is in València and definitely was and still is a catalan-valencian speaking area. The fact that there's a village called Borja doesn't mean they came from there, just like most Garcias don't come from the catalan town of Garcia
@@Mutxarra the family was established in Valencia but their origin is in the town of Borja in Aragon, all the biographies and history of the Borja family say so, Borja is an Aragonese last name. Many Aragonese participated in the repopulation of the Kingdom of Valencia.
@@lofdan yes, Aragonese pronounced the j like Catalans not like in modern Spanish, in fact Castilians up to the mid-late fifteenth century pronounced the j similar to Catalan and Aragonese, Sephardic Jews still do.
She did nothing wrong! None of of them did anything worse than anyone else! Please read Sarah Bradford’s biography of her. Get all that slander against her out of your mind.
She really wasn't as bad as all that and most of what was attributed to her was completely false. I agree with the other comment, the book by Sarah Bradford is excellent at getting behind all the hype and looking at the real person.
I´m a Spaniard from Catalonia, but there was not such a thing as a "Catalan" at that time, it was the Crown of Aragón, Borja is a village in the now region fo Aragon, and Alfonso was born in Canals, Valencia, a different region than Catalonia.
A slight correction: Borja is pronounced just like Borgia, not as pronounced here. The Borja were an aragonese family. In aragonese, like in catalan, j is pronounced as it is in english, not spanish
@@santaklaus11 la gràfia ch és una invenció moderna, els textos antics aragonesos fan servir la j com tota la resta de llengues romàniques. Borja en aragonès era Borja. Sí, hi ha llocs a l'Aragó on s'ha parlat castellà tostemps, com Calatayud (que està molt a prop de Borja, sí). Però els Borja que van arribar al papat parlaven català (específicament la variant valenciana) i pronunciaven el seu nom: "Borja" com es fa en català. Aleshores si anem a parlar d'ells seria millor dir-lis Borja que no pas Borkha
The family tree demonstrated on the channel was fantastic, very detailed... although there is a lack of mention of the Austrian descendants of the Borgia Family, as not only would the princes of Braganza (Portugal) be the only European monarchs descended from them, there is also the Emperor Francis I of the Holy Roman Empire, the founder of the Habsburg-Lorraine dynasty, and through him, many other Austrian monarchs and several other monarchs from other European ruling families, as the emperor's descendants joined several other ruling families and spread across the rest of the European continent. The emperor was the great-grandson of Empress Eleonora Gonzaga, of the Holy Empire (third wife of Emperor Ferdinand III), originally a princess of Mantua, who in turn, was the great-granddaughter of Charles, Duke of Mayenne, a French nobleman, who in turn was son of Princess Ana D'este, who in turn, was Lucrécia's granddaughter by Duke Alfonso I of Ferrara.
Why is portrayed the Borja family in a strange language for them, rather than their native language, which was catalan language? You dont know catalan was the language of the naples and sicily court, so why are you doing a documentary of history if ypu have no idea what you are doing? Also, why are you promkting fascist, genocide for pirposes language like spanish? Why are you pro fascist
12:15 Those millions of people were isolated from the rest of the world and their continent was unkown for us so yes, they were discovered. 13:52 "Do not give rise to or allow the Indians to receive any wrong in their persons and property, but rather that they be treated well and fairly, and if they have received any wrong, remedy it", Isabella the Catholic.
That was Giovanni de’Medici, Pope Leo X. He was actually Cesare’s friend in school. There’s a great, extremely accurate manga about them called “Cesare: Il Creatore che ha distrutto” by Soryo Fuyumi. The TV series “Borgia: Faith and Fear” also has them as friends, but it has Alessandro Farnese with them when actually he was much older than them. Leo X was only 37 when he became pope.
Stop the slander! The Borgias didn’t do anything any worse than others at the time. Please read the books about them by Sarah Bradford. All the other cardinals had illegitimate children, too. The rumors about them were spread by specific individual enemies and was accepted by xenophobic Italians because they were Spanish. I can’t believe we’re still doing this.
Well the video is specifically about the Borgias also. So obviously they focus on their story and actions. Not what other people did at the time. Even if other cardinals also did similar things they are not the focus this time around.
Well they were just one of the villains in that game the others being the pazzi which I hope useful charts does a video on them they were the full villains in brotherhood
The craziest thing about these videos is that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Yet every video dismissed this. If you included power in these videos you might be the number one channel on RU-vid. People love power and this channel ignores the motivation of power.
@@derrickstorm6976 the funniest part is that Columbus never claimed to have discovered a new continent. He was convinced he just found a shorter route to Asia.
Many thanks for this video! The narrative reminded me so much of the game Crusader Kings. The descriptions of members of the family tree was what was constantly running through my head as the game evolved. All those juicy shenanigans my line of rulers and their misbegotten relatives were up to were amazing and blurred the lines between history and fiction. I loved it! Maybe one day you guys can do a fictional chart and video of a CK2 game, I bet it will get pretty entertaining provided you have the time. The game can get really slow at times.
..... Did you legit say that Thatcher "peacefully" protested the Argentinian claim to the Falklands? Cause I'm pretty sure she started the Falklands war.
In this city of Erie, Pa. lives a Borgia family. When I asked if he was related, he was embarrassed and looked down at the ground in shame. And said yes, but my family never speaks of it. He commented that he wasn't responsible. what his ancestors did in the past. True, but once you get that kind of notoriety, you can't shake it off.😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨 his name was Jose (Joseph) Borgia., has 4 children still living here in America.
I would not add a millions of people living in America as a note to Columbus’s discovery. He brought knowledge of the existence of the Americas to Europe. Much cleaner and still 100% accurate.
