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Born-in JW's and Religious Trauma Syndrome 

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My personal research on this topic started recently.
To find out more about Religious Trauma Syndrome (RTS)
Please consider:
www.marlenewinell.net/
journeyfree.org/
valerietarico.com/2013/03/26/...
For those of you working with a counselor already, the following resource may also assist:
bonniezieman.com/downloads/
In addition, there are RU-vid Videos about Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Perhaps you may find this topic of interest to you, as I did.

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@Allypumpkin
@Allypumpkin 6 лет назад
RTS IS REAL ,,, only those who have been through it can understand.
@vickifarrar1170
@vickifarrar1170 7 лет назад
The children's book was completely inappropriate .
@cosmojones6067
@cosmojones6067 6 лет назад
I was exposed to the JW's at age 10 when my Mother began to study with and eventually baptized as a JW. At age 17, I myself was baptized. At age 20 I married a JW sister that I loved with all my heart, and, after 40 years, part of me still dose. When we married I had a job that didn't pay enough to support she and I, so, another Elder offered my a job that paid 3 times minimum which was a good start. I never made it a single day on that job. An Elder that had studied the Bible with my wife actually drove to my house and reads some obscure scripture forbidding me from working there. It was like that every time I found work. My wife and I lived on Welfare almost the entire time I was married to her. Not being able or allowed to support my Family caused me to fall into a state of hopelessness. I was told by this same Elder I didn't have a good job because I Didn't love Jesus. Seriously. Then they walked around behind me saying I was worse then a man without faith because I wouldn't .provide for my wide and kids. That's the basic synopsis, it's actually much much worse then I have time to post here.
@Nica-Ra-Wata
@Nica-Ra-Wata 3 года назад
Tetragrammaton is Egyptian meaning FOUR LETTERS of aton atum adam electron and the SUN or jehovah is the SUN... Freemasons created all religions. Israel is ISIS AMUNRA ELOHIM... There is no god and god is GOMER, OZ AND DANDAR... You are entitled to sue the shit out of this cult, find a good attorney please.
@great9800
@great9800 7 лет назад
I'm a recovering Pentecostal Christian. I still deal with RTS. Fortunately, I got out while I'm still young.
@Nica-Ra-Wata
@Nica-Ra-Wata 3 года назад
All religions are pure excrement and the tetragrammaton is Egyptian meaning FOUR LETTERS of aton atum adam electron and the SUN or jehovah is the SUN and freemasons created all religions...research!
@noumenonjohn6136
@noumenonjohn6136 8 лет назад
I remember having to study the Great Teacher book with my mother. I remember hating every second of it even at a very young age. It was the innocence within me that hated it. That's how I came to the conclusion that I Am still innocent and good, even after spending 28 years hearing the people I trusted tell me different.
@RowenaMeyerAllen
@RowenaMeyerAllen 6 лет назад
Wow, that picture in the Paradise book was burned into my mind as a child and the child for the very same reasons. Thank you for sharing your experiences. They mirrored mine so closely, including the Malawi persecution stories. I had nightmares as a kid about persecution. I'm in therapy now for the trauma. EDMR Therapy is proving helpful.
@shannoncats5549
@shannoncats5549 7 лет назад
Any time I have to step foot in a KH(weddings and funerals only), I am struck by the dead feeling inside those windowless, joyless buildings. It's utterly oppressive.
@shannoncats5549
@shannoncats5549 7 лет назад
I remember the nightmares I had as a young child and crying that all my friends were going to die. Criminal if you ask me to teach these topics to children who do not have the reasoning skills to deal with such heavy ideas.
@slimboaries
@slimboaries 8 лет назад
I love hearing people express their experiences!
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 8 лет назад
I do, too!
@nancyblumenthal3003
@nancyblumenthal3003 7 лет назад
I'm def looking forward to researching this type of trauma. Thank you for an excellent vid!
@anonymousvon5159
@anonymousvon5159 8 лет назад
When I was a witness, I didn't think I had the right to be happy. Happiness was this unattainable, futurist thing that could not be obtained in this system of things. Correction-happiness was meeting, field service, get-togethers with kingdom music. How sad! The brain washing done by GB is criminal!
@yoky25
@yoky25 8 лет назад
OMG that is so true, exactly how I used to feel. I'm just trying to find meaning to my life again ,I'm still in but fading.
@akpanokono3417
@akpanokono3417 8 лет назад
Depends what happiness is to you. On the contrary, new witnesses who lived a violence lifestyle in the past have found happiness in becoming one of JWs and are satisfied with the spriritual food they now enjoyed! If you are no longer a witness, you can live your life the way you like but I'm sure keeping to Jehovahs standards will help you be a better citizen. Good luck with your endeavours.
@yoky25
@yoky25 8 лет назад
The same with any cristian religion so whats ur point?
@yoky25
@yoky25 7 лет назад
Candice Lambert Thanks
@Readzboox
@Readzboox 7 лет назад
I 2as told leaving would lead to unhappiness or shallow happiness and that wordy people are not really happy but just pretending. And that even though Witnesses have troubles we were the real happy ones because we had the paradise to look forward to. Now that I am a adult and I know that you can not just be truly happy outside of the organization. You can lead a healthy productive fulfilling life and have a close relationship with your savior and creator as well as have true unconditionally loving friendships and relationships.
@jenniferwienecke9524
@jenniferwienecke9524 8 лет назад
This is my first exposure to your channel. I have to tell you that you said many many things that paralleled my own life as a born in JW. I also left the org around fourteen years ago, but only recently have been doing a lot of internal work to extract the watchtower from my psyche. It's amazing to have stumbled across this, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for putting this together.
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 8 лет назад
I am so happy to hear that this information was useful. It reminds me of that line from the Godfather movie "every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in."
@RandyMabusedJW
@RandyMabusedJW 8 лет назад
Thanks for sharing Sundance88 channel with me.
@anniebach8826
@anniebach8826 8 лет назад
+Sundance88 I do the same thing every time I think I'm out then my mother start preaching to me and I think about going back but I make myself stay away
@foxiedogitchypaws7141
@foxiedogitchypaws7141 3 года назад
@@sundance8862 my mother used the sentence " just wait you'll see what jehovah will do to those who leave him" it has been carried over by me to my kid's, no more, and my children are awake along with me, my brother's and sister in law. It's a Cult and should be SUED .
@bernadettekennedy2981
@bernadettekennedy2981 7 лет назад
They added Jehovah to the New Testament 200 times and predicted end times 5 times. Wolves in sheep's clothing
@KatherineRogers
@KatherineRogers 7 лет назад
The paradise book and its pictures....were a real piece of work.
@suchenliao2710
@suchenliao2710 6 лет назад
Awesome videos ! Thank you for taking the time for making all your videos
@sisterpfister7463
@sisterpfister7463 6 лет назад
I remember studying all those books as well. I won't allow my JW relatives to give my kids the bible story book or any of the WT publications or videos because of the violent imagery and the indoctrination. I truly believe that being raised JW is profoundly damaging.
@mymangobango3533
@mymangobango3533 6 лет назад
You saw that dog too!!! O wow, I didn't realize that stood out to others as children as well. I'm 35 now & just woke up but my parents were/are very devout & kept all the books. I remember at about 4 or 5 yrs old, taking the pretty colorful books off the shelf & looking at the pictures. Yes, that poor puppy bothered me for the longest time. 🐕💜
@saracarlson-kringle
@saracarlson-kringle 6 лет назад
I'm enjoying this immensely! Thank you for putting it out there!
@TheWriterWalker
@TheWriterWalker 4 года назад
"You can be happy in a very, very imperfect world." Perfect.
@janicecox1143
@janicecox1143 8 лет назад
Interesting video, I've always thought a lot of stories were to graphic for young children.
@xjdub3824
@xjdub3824 6 лет назад
#4747 recommended you (this video in particular). Downloading now. Sure it'll be good!
@bernadettekennedy2981
@bernadettekennedy2981 7 лет назад
Christianity is suppose to be about the light of Jesus his joy that attracts others, not doom and gloom.
@lindanturner7410
@lindanturner7410 5 лет назад
Sundance where have you been? Please make another video soon. You have so much to contribute! Looking forward to seeing something new :))
@bernadettekennedy2981
@bernadettekennedy2981 7 лет назад
They need to loose tax exemption for the lies deception and hardships they cause.
@rosesteignberg4866
@rosesteignberg4866 6 лет назад
Such a nice video. God bless you...
@bridgetazaz
@bridgetazaz 8 лет назад
I love the story at the end! You'd like Martin Luther's doctrine of vocation. He said as people are honest and faithful and kind within their vocations, they are "masks of God" , being used of Him to bless and help others. Whether it's a baker baking bread so people can be fed, a good mother rocking her baby, soldiers protecting you, etc etc. WT teaches that the only works worth doing or of any importance are works related to the Society itself, yuk. Preach, go to meetings, study the pubs, obey the GB . Lather, rinse, repeat.
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 8 лет назад
Thank you. I need to acquaint myself with the doctrine of vocation. Appreciate the share.
@indycarr3964
@indycarr3964 6 лет назад
Once I hit 10, I hated, hated, hated it all! When I finally hit 14, I got the guts to stand up to my tyrant abusive dad, and told him to shove his BS religion, I'm not doing it anymore. He grabbed my arm and said a good belt licking will take care of my rebellious attitude. I pulled back and said no, we will go out on the front lawn and settle this like men. You'll kick my ass, but I'll get my licks in. He just went limp, like a broken man. It wasn't too long after that, he sought professional therapy for his own abuse issues. Our lives changed after that, much for the better. He never shunned any of us kids for leaving, not even his disfellowshipped daughter, even though he stayed in another 40 years, lived the last 5 years cursing WTBTS.
@shannoncats5549
@shannoncats5549 7 лет назад
Jehovah's Witnesses only help their own. Where are their hospitals, orphanages, disaster relief organizations? Christian charity was never really extolled, unless of course it was in regards to other JW's. Apparently they have overlooked to Good Samaritan story.
@coralrain6332
@coralrain6332 7 лет назад
Shannon Cats I noticed that!!!
@arthurbarnes8390
@arthurbarnes8390 5 лет назад
Yea, good thought, they don't do any of charitable relief, self centered cult.
@Venusbabe66
@Venusbabe66 5 лет назад
Most religions promote a "them and us" mentality, especially the Abrahamic religions. The Jewish and Islamic faiths were the first to establish this horrible desensitising toward "the other" and still do it the best. JWs have just followed their example. All religions are "tribes" and work well to divide people... still do unfortunately.
@asielmilian38
@asielmilian38 4 года назад
They are not good Samaritan.
@kiwigaltube
@kiwigaltube 6 лет назад
That peace and security thing has me on edge.
@gg4gb1914
@gg4gb1914 8 лет назад
WOW Thanks for the Plug. See you in Tucson soon.
@slicedyougiveloveabadname5599
@slicedyougiveloveabadname5599 8 лет назад
I really appreciate your videos and your sincerity! Thank you for sharing your story. I look forward to hearing more.
@elenac2753
@elenac2753 8 лет назад
Thank you! Keep up the great work.
@marcihf217
@marcihf217 4 года назад
My sister started studying with the JWs about 15-18 years ago. She brought her entire family into the organization. Well, everyone went to the meetings because she made them. Now, my brother-in-law will only go once in a blue moon if he has to drive them to a convention. Although he hasn't done that in a few years. My oldest niece stopped going about 6 years ago because she didn't believe anything they were saying. She refuses to go back or go to any church for the matter. She celebrated her birthday for the first time last year. I was happily shocked. My middle nephew left a few years ago after going off to college. He hardly ever calls or visits. My youngest nephew is still a JW but I honestly believe he's in it because my sister can be manipulative (although she claims she isn't). She makes him feel guilty because his siblings came out. The other day my sister told me my nephew has changed a lot in the last year. He's very angry and bitter. He's 21 and still not working (unless you talk about the free work he does in the congregation). How can you work when you have to spend all your time going door-to-door, reunions, conventions, bible studies, etc? A few years ago our mother (non-JW) told her not to waste his life in this religion and help him go to school and get a career. My sister got pissed. Funny how momma's always know.
@matilda4406
@matilda4406 6 лет назад
yes, it's difficult to explain to someone who hasn't been there, I will remember you when I start my YT, thank you so much, you have helped and I'm only 6 minutes in. Oh, I just realized this was from July 2016 !!
@1amjapan
@1amjapan 5 лет назад
Superb, thank you, that was perfect in content and tone. I recognised a lot of what you described and have only recently become aware of RTS, but it seems to be a helpful source of advice for me personally. Thank you again, love and best wishes from the UK.
@gcsoulsurfer
@gcsoulsurfer 6 лет назад
I found your site due to #4747 also. I really enjoyed his video and yours. Happy to be another subscriber. All the very best to you.
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 6 лет назад
gcsoulsurfer welcome. Thank you for watching
@VictoriaOz
@VictoriaOz 4 года назад
One of your finest videos Curtis .. and thank you for the links .. I will enjoy them!
@dawnwoodward1101
@dawnwoodward1101 7 лет назад
this video is rich in pointing to the struggles i've had...... appreciate your time and effort in making these videos. immeasurable help you are giving. please continue your work. thanks you very much!
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 7 лет назад
You are very kind. It makes me happy to know that it is helpful for others to consider some of these points. I appreciate your time and your comments.
@greygranny5163
@greygranny5163 5 лет назад
So inspiring, thank you so much for providing this information.
@logicandreason8090
@logicandreason8090 6 лет назад
I'M A BROKEN UNIT. I UNDERSTAND YOU ALL
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 6 лет назад
You aren’t broken. Your operating system just needs an overhaul, perhaps 😊
@katb945
@katb945 8 лет назад
I remember a talk given in the eighties brother discussing the greed of the world he showed pictures of baby seals being bashed over the head with blood pouring out, I got up and went to the toilet as an adult now imagine the kids in that KH, I was really shocked at the graphics.And yes in the seventies the cry of peace and security and this generation of 1914 will not pass away was frequently themed.
@ryanhalford8903
@ryanhalford8903 8 лет назад
hi, your comments are really helpful.im 36 and was brought up in the faith, and have suffered the same symptoms as you explain in the video.i really think i am suffering with this also.as i constantly am occupied with thoughts of self saboutage,and am always thinking that my life cant move on unless i am right spiritualy, but i related to the illustration very much and i think its going to help alot with day to day living.it will take some time as the inculcation from a baby is hard to get over, tanks again, ryan.
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 8 лет назад
I am very glad this information was helpful. Please check into this subject further if you think it describes your circumstances. Thanks for your comments and for watching.
@getoutalive852
@getoutalive852 8 лет назад
Great video Sundance. I've really enjoyed looking through this research over the last year. As a former born-in the RTS topic really has helped me understand so much about myself and the mind control influences. I hope to make videos myself in the future. Keep up the great work.
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 8 лет назад
I look forward to watching your videos. Thanks for the comments.
@aideno.9952
@aideno.9952 4 года назад
Thank you so much for this, I didn't realize this was something that had a name and I feel relieved to know that other people feel what I feel with certain words or phrases triggering that anxiety. I have less than a year since I left both religion and home all at once, it's gotten a little easier but it still hangs over me but I know it will get better with time.
@mariavelazquez9706
@mariavelazquez9706 7 лет назад
Thank you...
@imiralove7533
@imiralove7533 7 лет назад
I was also alive before 75 and know well what you are talking about. Different country but similar memories. I am still in but awakening. Congratulation for your channel.
@derekohare1824
@derekohare1824 8 лет назад
thanks for sharing ,and taking the time to help. derek
@glennriquito381
@glennriquito381 8 лет назад
Your observation about how that religion changes is right on. I got involved with them in 1983 at the age of 26, so my bullshit filter was developed enough to prevent me from allowing a lot of problems for myself. I absolutely LOVED what I was learning about Scripture, and how fast I was learning it. After two years I got bored, and so I switched to a Spanish congregation and learned it all over again in Spanish. So now I was very literate in both Bible and Spanish! Those are two very good skills to have. But I never took the religion itself seriously. I remember back in 1984 I was in a car group with three other brothers, and we were talking about what type of secular work we do. The thing that amazed me was how indifferent those guys were regarding retirement plans. Of course, the excuse was "we'll be in the new order by then". I said, "You'd better be financially prepared because this old system could last another twenty years for all we know". They practically laughed me out of the car. I think about how they often accused me of being spiritually weak, because now they probably wish they had the common sense that I was always in their faces with. As I stated in my letter of dissociation to the governing body, "I never subscribed to any of that obey-the-organization crap". So after just nine years of marginal involvement, I stopped attending meetings in 1992. But I figured I would return someday and reassess the whole situation, which I did thirteen years later in 2005. I went back to the meetings and it seemed like I was in a totally different faith! There was much, much more mind control than before. And it was very subliminal, so I started to have panic attacks without at first understanding why. Well, seven months of that and I was gone for good. But it was definitely worth it to have the Bible knowledge that I still use every day, and I thank Jehovah himself for that. Really, nobody is better skilled at using his enemies for the benefit of both himself and his people than the Great Jehovah God the Almighty. And speaking of Jehovah, you do know that NOBODY has brought more reproach on that name than the Watchtower Babel and Crap Society. I'd be scared stiff if I were a member of the governing body today. Judas Iscariot was way ahead of them. At least he had enough sense to dispose of himself.
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 8 лет назад
LOL. Thanks for the message, Enrico. On the way back home from the Kingdom Hall one day back in the mid-80's, I remember how agitated my father was over a comment that one of his oldest and dearest friends had made during the meeting that night. His friend (another elder, by the way) had offhandedly said something to the effect of "if this system of things continues for another decade....". My father was really upset that another elder would dare to publicly speculate that there could possibly be so much time remaining in this wicked system of things. I fully understood why he felt that way, because the understanding at the time was that Armageddon was just hours away and that the 1914 generation was on its last breath. If I told him that night that the year 2016 would come without the New System's arrival, I am certain that he would've become physically shocked at that prospect. I also agree with you that the hubris displayed by the Governing Body is dangerous territory for them to be messing around with. They now envision themselves as "Guardians of Doctrine". My, oh my, aren't WE a little full of ourselves? :)
@joycefinney2735
@joycefinney2735 6 лет назад
Enrico Barfi Enjoyed your comment and have to agree regarding their bible knowledge of the OT...Pity they didn't carry that through to the NT and the new covenant.
@avakroman2079
@avakroman2079 6 лет назад
I totally agree with you! Thanks.
@netihansen3034
@netihansen3034 8 лет назад
Yes, Watchtower keeps many with great talent in ways that might help the world, if allowed to develop, stunted.Great video!!
@forevermoor8902
@forevermoor8902 6 лет назад
pam hansen So True! I did obtain comfort levels of Public Speaking, that was certainly nurtured as a young, born in JW because of all that got damn door knocking!. Now that I'm SANE, I see how I've always been comfortable speaking in front of large groups with ease. I'm a nurse, and my voice isn't so appreciated in nursing. Had I been supported as a born in JW, I think I would've followed a Law Degree. My entire life feels like the wrong path. I'm 43, and I'm just getting to the unafraid portion of my life. I DESPISE this re LIE gion. It separated me from my family once I left. My Mom is 80, been in every bit of 50 years. Five plus years ago I ended my addiction streak ( alcohol, etc.) I was/am doing SO WELL..exercising, working diligently as a nurse, but my indoctrinated JW Mom felt the need to say, "You should come back to Jehovah.!!!!!!!!" It took all I had to not blatantly cuss my 80 year old Mom out!! It's very draining to accomplish my 'worldly' endeavors, overcome a COMMON 'PTSD side effect' of ESCAPING this cuckoo cult, BUT be talked down to simply because I choose to live in REALITY!!! I'm moving forward.
@sylkelster
@sylkelster 6 лет назад
I was in all advanced placement classes in high school, but my families' indoctrination prevented me from even mentioning the thought of college in the house. It was almost like a curse word. I was leaning towards chemistry, molecular biology, or some advanced computer science degree (thoughts). But since God was going to rewrite the laws of the universe and no knowledge gained in this 'old system of things' would carry over, I let those dreams go. I did alright as an industrial electrician, but I could have became much more. It becomes hard to achieve those higher goals once you have a family and at this point I really don't have the time or the energy. The thing is; I DID have the time and energy at one point, and I'm still pretty bitter against my parents even to this day whenever they bring up the subject of religion. Can't really have an in-depth or meaningful conversation with any of them because everything gets back to 'this old system of things.' I tell you it gets really tiring to say the least.
@thrivingexjw2061
@thrivingexjw2061 8 лет назад
I was in it for 40 yrs. (4th generation) Left 20 yrs ago & of course, shunned. I have the "EXACT" same memories as you! It has taken me 20 YEARS to get it out of my head & I still have what I call JW moments! I've been attending a nondenominational church for 10 yrs ( which is the reason I'm being shunned) & FINALLY about 2 yrs ago I stopped thinking about Armageddon everyday!! It's the most ingrained thing ! It takes time to deprogram. This was a great video with great information. Thank you & I'm sure it will help many people :-)
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 8 лет назад
Thank you. I hope this information is helpful to anyone that didn't know about it yet.
@sjp4u338
@sjp4u338 3 года назад
Excellent video. I am going through this and will always be dealing with the effects of religious trauma.
@jesslamont2487
@jesslamont2487 3 года назад
I was raised in a JW family and I was 10 years old when 9/11 happened. While it was playing out on a news segment, I have a vivid memory of hearing my parents say to each other "This is the beginning of armageddon". All I remember thinking is that I'm so young and enjoying life, I don't want armageddon to be here.
@rogerbentley1462
@rogerbentley1462 6 лет назад
Thank you for making such informative videos. The two videos I watched this morning are informative, to the point, and helpful. We will learn from your examples.
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 6 лет назад
I am so glad that you have enjoyed them. Thank you for watching and commenting.
@catmeow333
@catmeow333 3 года назад
So many things you said struck a cord. I was introduced to the religion in the 1970s but was only a member 1987-1992 I faded in 1993 and only woke up Sep 2019. I SUFFERED for so many years from guilt, suicidal hopelessness and the knowledge that I could never be an acceptable member. Indeed, the 4 years I attended the meetings I was soft shunned as a divorced mother. After I quit going I just accepted the fact that the clean earth would not be mine. When 9/11 hit I couldn’t talk for three days. I had no words. I didn’t think it was Armageddon but it was a visceral hit to my sense of security. When Leah Remini’s show came out I saw all the similarities to the witnesses. I too no longer recognized the religion from the 1970s version. It was a short hop to the exjw community videos. I wish we’d had the internet support way back in those dark times of despair. The initial ideology of the religion in the 70s seemed pure and good but its become a juggernaut. It’s comforting to see others understand my deep scary places and I feel safe finally.
@foxiedogitchypaws7141
@foxiedogitchypaws7141 3 года назад
Catmeow, your not alone because sometimes it sure feels that way , I say what ever happens then let it happen but I'm not going to be abused by back stabbing,lieing,goody 2 shoes gossiping manipulated old hags. The ex jw's are great friends and are awake to the lies we were all told and or brought up in.
@darlenesmith1432
@darlenesmith1432 8 лет назад
I believe alot of exjws suffer from this (RTS)or(PTSD) I know I do and have suffered all my life and it was really terrible in 1975 I was 20 years old with a small child,I swear I didnt sleep for 2 years leading up to it! but it is better since TTAT great to have you out,keep exposing John8:32 there is freedom in Christ not in the 501.c Blessings on your journey
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 8 лет назад
Thank you so much for your comments.
@jimbobaggans1564
@jimbobaggans1564 6 лет назад
Darlene Smith Oh geeze, 1975. What a joke. A joke pulled on us. By 1976 I had enough of them. Funny how no one wanted to talk about it in 1976. Pretend it never happened. I wanted to talk about it! Most chose to just forget it and move on. Not me. I thought that I would be disfellowshipped for it. But alas, it didn't happen. They had to find another reason to get rid of me. Which was fine with me.
@indycarr3964
@indycarr3964 6 лет назад
@Darlene Smith- I was a worldly boy by 1975, but I remember my younger brother ribbing my dad about 1975. I didn't know what it was all about, for fast cars, girls, weed and beer were more important than that religious crap. Best way at the time to put 14 years of religious abuse out of the mind. 15 to 30 was a lot of fun, then the past trauma reared its ugly head.
@jushaup426
@jushaup426 8 лет назад
Funny or serious, all your videos help and I enjoy listening to your take on things.
@KatherineRogers
@KatherineRogers 7 лет назад
I also remember trying to process talks about graphically described sexual misconduct, persecution or about Armageddon. There is NO provision in the JW organization for little children to learn separately from adults and children are exposed to content that is SERIOUSLY not age appropriate. Remember all the instructions as to what to DO when Armageddon starts ie go home, if no one is home go to the book study, if no one is there go to the nearest book study you can find etc. (For non JWs there were designated houses at which smaller group study ie book study ...would happen) Re maybe the witnesses are right....READ about Canaanite gods. IF Jehovah is a myth / lie...then the lie had a beginning and development. That alone is a fascinating story. Yahwah was added to the Canaanite gods. The Yahweh priests gained power to where Yahweh became the high gods. (Have none of those other gods before or in priority to me ...the 1st commandment of 10 see Exodus 20.) The myth that Yahweh was always the ONLY god and always the high god is very late spin. Once you really process this....there is NO going back. Once you process that humanity is older than 6000 years and that Noahs flood did NOT happen is problematic. If Adam is a myth then no fruit eating fall of man, no need to send Jesus. Then Jesus in turn allegedly taught in Luke 3 that mythical Adam and Noah were his direct ancestors. This means Jesus was crazy, a liar or fiction. Process all this and the Jewish religion and the christian one ....are out of the question. Islam accepts Moses and Jesus as prophets and accepts Yahweh ie same god as the god of Abraham. What I have mentioned so far makes Islam impossible. There is...NO....going back. The thing that makes me most sad oddly enough is not the loss of eternal life. I was taught that the world is an evil place where child abuse is OK by adults I was supposed to trust. I was taught that adults lie...about major pieces of what life is about. The lack of ability to trust the people I was supposed to be able to trust...was a devastating loss. Attention from adults came at a price ie being the Witness they all wanted to see with no independent thoughts or feelings. Even that was withdrawn when I left. As an adult now...I cant IMAGINE...doing...what they did ...to a child.
@rebeccaabel4589
@rebeccaabel4589 6 лет назад
Katherine Rogers I'm very sorry that your experience with JWs was traumatizing. I never experience trauma from my family Who are JWS. I just hope that one day you will find your peace whether you believe there is a Jehovah God or not is your opinion l respect that.
@j.j.1064
@j.j.1064 7 лет назад
Thank you so much. It's really soothing to listen to you. I've had to have psychological counselling to help me rescue my mind from years of propaganda. and although I have left I still feel a hold of them that surfaces with trigger words and phrases. I have to remonstrate with myself occasionally to disentangle my thought processes that for years have been trained to sympathise with WT. My sister who is not a believer said it's called "Stockholm syndrome" where you sympathise with your captors and you don't get over it with logic over night. I deal with it by the three R's research, research, research. But I'm careful to avoid the haters whose disposition is to persecute those who have not escaped. to me that's two wrongs trying to pose as a right. Again thank you so much for your comfort.
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 7 лет назад
Thank you for your comment, James. It has taken a lot of work to disentangle the concepts that have been with me since birth. I can understand your sister's comment about misplaced sympathies. I still have much of my family as active members and for years I made excuses for the more unorthodox features of their faith. As you say, research has helped tremendously. Thank you for watching. There are so many people out there on RU-vid telling their stories now.
@dantoinettetaylor1663
@dantoinettetaylor1663 6 лет назад
Thank you for this. When I first joined the religion in 1990 I used to wish that I was a "born in" ... They seemed so much more grounded in their faith and I strove to be like them. Yet at the same time I exercised a bit of freedom to do little things that they considered "major" like studying for my master's degree, hanging out with "worldly" friends without fear that they would taint my religious beliefs, knowledge that celebration of certain religious holidays meant something different to "Christendom" who were sincerely practising their Christian faith and was not as diabolic as the JWs depicted, or even the fact that partaking of the Memorial emblems was not that anathema to me the way "born-in" JWs made such a big deal about only the anointed should do so, etc. My reluctance to leave had more to do with leaving behind the many friends I made because not a single member of my family is JW
@grannymabel
@grannymabel 8 лет назад
I remember the early books you mentioned the pink and the orange.my mum had someone try to study them with me and my 2 older brothers, they had no time for it and scuppered it because The High Chappel was on tv that night and we loved it.Never bought into it but it does linger like a bad smell.
@janicehussock7735
@janicehussock7735 6 лет назад
I liked Manolito on the High Chapparel. Ha. Good memories. We could not watch most of our favorite shows bc of the Witnesses.
@Patiem1942
@Patiem1942 8 лет назад
Thank you! I truly enjoyed your video and look forward to seeing more.
@norwalltino
@norwalltino 6 лет назад
Great speech. Enlighting.
@catmeow333
@catmeow333 4 года назад
I’ve experienced every trigger you’ve talked about for many years. As I watch more and more videos, I too realize that I no longer recognize this religion.
@jimbobaggans1564
@jimbobaggans1564 6 лет назад
I so remember those images in those books as well as the ones in the watchtower magazine, as a child. Going to school and being different from everyone else. I had so many questions when I was a child. Only, I had to be very careful with the questions. I couldn't ask anything that put the faith in question. You don't dare do that. So, I had to put a lot of thought in the questions. How can I ask this without making my mom angry? I learned quickly that it was best just not to ask. To keep my thoughts to myself. Every jehovah's witness knows what I mean. There are things that you just don't ask. By the time I was in high school, I was living two lives. My life as a witness and my life at school. I wasn't bad while in high school. I just felt free to ask about anything that I wanted, without fear of punishment. When I left home at 18, I started slowly making my move to get away from anything jw. It took some time but I eased on out. Yeah, I went through the shunning thing. I couldn't care less. Those people were not my friend. I knew that. So why would they matter? I had friends in the world who were my true friends. I didn't have to be like them. I didn't have to think like them. They accepted me. Liberating isn't it? I really didn't care what the jw's thouht. I was free from all that.
@deborahmattern5660
@deborahmattern5660 8 лет назад
Hi nice to see your video..This is the first one I have seen of you as well..So glad I stumbled across it..I too was born in and raised as a JW...and when yo mentioned the ''Paradise Lost ,Paradise regained'' I remember that was my first book of my own and that's the book I learned to read from at the age of 2..As I look back and try to remember what That book contained..there were many changes many many changes since even that book book came out...I also remember those same prayers requests for the brothers in Malawi.......And yes..I was seeing a psychiatrist for about a year about 12 years ago because I suffered SEVERE ANXIETY attacks..So bad that if I had one while I was driving..it didn't matter where I was ..I felt like I was going to die and I HAD TO get oUT OF MY CAR and run...either run around my car or jog in place because my heartbeat would be so fast and I was hyperventilating so so bad my fingers and toes would go numb..so I knew I had to increase my actyivity to get my respiratory rate up to balance my breathing...After too many of tehse attacks while diving on the highway I knew I needed some help..They were so debilitating..I would get to work 45 minutes to an hour after the attack and still be shaking so bad it would take me most of the morning to control myself...When I started to go to the psychiatrist...that's when I was diagnosed with RTS...That was the first time I heard of it..I learned how to cope and control my anxiety and stay away from dwelling on WT rhetoric and turn my whole way of thinking around...I am a CHRISTIAN and I now believe in JESUS and I am ''born again'' and I know HE finds good qualities in me..My anxiety stemmed from the fear of losing my life because GOD saw so much bad in me,,,(side note...I always had anxiety attacks from the age of 8...and always started the same ay..believing I was not good enough to be considered by God) I hav been OUT of the WT since 1988/1989...
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 8 лет назад
Thank you for watching and commenting. What you described sounds debilitating indeed. Are you in a better place now? I found it interesting that it was recommended to you to stay away from dwelling on WT rhetoric. That's very healthy. Speaking for myself only, I know that when I opened myself up to learning about all kinds of things, not just within the limited scope of what is discussed in the bible, that it became easy to find enjoyment in life. Just by living in the moment and savoring little things (like a beautiful sunset, a nice meal with friends, taking my son to the park to swing on the swings, or having a favorite song of mine come up on the radio while driving) brings me moments of happiness daily. Small, regular doses of happiness are worth much more to me than grandiose promises of panda bears in paradise that no one can deliver.
@deborahmattern5660
@deborahmattern5660 8 лет назад
Yes..What she meant(my psychiatrist) was not to contemplate so much on the fear mongering..I am either right in my beliefs or I am wrong .and if its causing emotional and mental and physical dameage..its not right..She explained to me..or rather..gave me the tools to be able to identify hen I was about to ''sink under'' and if I didn't recognize those triggers..Then The anxiety would only get worse as time goes on..I first had to learn how to say ''NO'' ..I had to learn boundaries for myself and then set boundaries for others..They would not be allowed by me to cross those boundaries...and I to them..I so appreciate your videos again Thank You..
@gallardowilliam
@gallardowilliam 7 лет назад
Thanks for your videos
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 7 лет назад
Very happy to make them. You're welcome. I appreciate your viewership and comment.
@olyramirez266
@olyramirez266 8 лет назад
love your video!!
@janicehussock7735
@janicehussock7735 6 лет назад
My younger brother and I grew up with the orange Paradise Lost book. The stories and illustrations were terrifying.Now I am in my sixties. Recently, I purchased a copy of the orange book to send to my brother as a joke. As long as we live we shall remember the infants being sacrifice to the pagan God. Of course, my parents were willing to let us die without a needed blood transfusion. The message was clear to me. You are a powerless child. Evil people will kill you. The images of Armageddon were the worst. Because we were humble, we never thought we would good enough to survive Armageddon. The world collapsing and children, puppies being destroyed was too much. I had great anxiety. Growing up during the Cold War, when there was much aattention to nuclear weapons and nuclear annihilation made it even worse. I just wanted to die with my mom during the Cuban Missle Crisis. Today my brother and I laugh so hard. It is not ha ha laughter, but the nervous laughter of realizing how much a vulnerable, young child's mind was messed up by evil men. My grandmother had delight that she would clear dead bodies after Armageddon. As my generation grew older, we lost our fear of annihilation. We joked that becasue we lived so close to Manhattan, we would blissfully die immediately. The suckers in Vermont were to be pitied. I tried so hard to be a good Witness, to have faith. More was always wanted. I respected my teachers and watched Romper Room, Captain Kangaroo, the NY Saturday cartoon and children's show lineup. My mom took me to be on the Howdy Doody show. These were good, loving people. We gave up so much. My rational mind and the fear placed in me by the Witnesses are often at war with each other. The first time I entered St. Patrick's Cathedral, my eye caught a wax figure of Pope Pius. Not realizing what it was, I thougth it was a demon and screeched so hard. Securtiy guards, priests, and tourists ran to my my side. There was a demon frenzy in my Kngdom Hall and the Society. My sister and I did not sleep much. We constantly monitored our bedroom for demons. My gut was always skeptical. There was much more love among normal people than the Witnesses. I spent a bit of time researching religion in American and the Witnesses. Hopefully, I will find time to present the materials on my blog. Children should have some protection from such extreme groups. I do believe in First Amendment rights. Shame on the Witnesses. While I place great blame on the Governing Body, the legal departments and Watchotwer writers. Yet individual Witnesses make moral choices. To choose a publishing company over your own family and children is despicable. Leaving was not easy for me. I leaped to freedom, not knowing what was on the other side. I lived n downtown Manhattan and practiced law across the street from the World Trade Center. People I know died. Fortunately, I was not alone. One cannot help but think of Armageddon. Yet I knew that first responders would help. Witnesses have no skils to help. My residential building met spontaenously. We dragged down chairs so people fleeing could rest. Peope filled water bottles and wetted towels. My mom offered my apartment to people who could not get out of the city to get back home. Because we realize that telepone communcation might go down from heavy usage, we sent a representation from our building to the local police precinct and the fire station to see how we could help with money and supplies. It impressed me that within only half an hour, the city had special places set up to help people. It was an exodus, thousands of dazed, traumatized people. We came togehter as a community, meeting in Union Square Park for a candlelight vigil. Local restaurants donated money as did stores. New Yorkers move quicly and are bright. It was strange to hear the total silence in the city. I heard that the WT locked its doors. The contrast between what I saw my city do and what the Witnesses teach showed me a lot about love and community. I was shamed for being a teen age health aide. Witnesses rely on ignorance. Let me add that every person makes choices in life. If you have never researched or visited groups that are not Jehovah's Witnesses, I implore you to read your Bible without WT literature. Read it as a regular book in consecutive verses. This is the way the early Christians would. Go sit in the back of a local church. Talk with an atheist. Read great literature. if you decide to stay with the Witnesses, it is your choice. I know it caused me great pain. Leaving was no easy. WT had me afraid of people who helped me so much and made my life so rich.
@gregfuller9059
@gregfuller9059 7 лет назад
Good common sense advice! Thanks so much.
@daughterofgodwarriorofchrist17
I remember whenever there was a thunderstorm or earthquake I thought it was armageddon and thought i was going to die if i missed a meeting or didnt get my hours in. Smh. They are so far removed from the true gospel. Im so at peace now that i found Jesus and I know God won't kill innocent children.
@boo4752
@boo4752 3 года назад
I'm a 14 year old girl whom was raised in this religion (cult) at birth. I always used to be a good girl, and i always used to have faith in the Paradise. I had a study since i was little. Every Sundays I'd go study the Bible and some books (Bible, biblical stories, ect.) My mom and brother always enforced it on me. At the age of 11 i stopped going to church. My mom would try and force me by taking away some belongings if I never went. At the age of 12 i got into witchcraft- i also realized I was pan sexual- but in jw that wouldn't be tolerated. At the age of 14 (now) i got more into my craft, and i began doing crystal work, tarot, oracle, and i even found out I'm a psychic. I confessed my crafts to my parents one day, and they began to treat me like some sort of untrustworthy monster- they said there was something wrong with me, and that I'm doing the devil's work (even though I've been doing witchcraft for a while now, and I've been way more happy than I ever was in jw.) Everyday my brother would talk to me when we took a ride around town about how I'm messing up and I'm going to die if I don't go back to Jehova. In 2020 a lot of their prophesies started coming true- hence why my mother and brother used it against me, but in the end I still believe in witchcraft. I'm a pagan and will remain pagan. Now that my mom ever brings up Jehova or jw, i have so much panic attacks. As a matter of fact they're over rn as I'm writing this. I'm terrified, I've depressed, i have religious trauma after what they put me through. My mother doesn't trust me anymore, and if I even write or buy something she automatically says it's witchcraft- she says of traumatized her with my practices- but oh mother, dear mother, if only you've woken up and been in my shoes, you'd have seen a whole other perspective- a whole other story. Maybe you've had good experiences, but me, oh dear, If only you knew what you've put me through. Thanks for hearing my story.
@roxettecash783
@roxettecash783 7 лет назад
YES YES AND YES I was born in 1970, and you, are telling my story. Having to decide at such a young age if I wanted to die when the end of the world came with my unbelieving dad who busted his butt all day working to provide for his family or living with my mother in paradise all because she attended the cult meetings. Yes, I am still triggered when I hear those words TRUE PEACE AND SECURITY! I can not believe they actually have a web sight!!! We would have been taken into an elders meeting for taking part in an unbelieving society!! Now I see they are on TV and all social media!! WOW sounds like there keeping up with the TRENDS IN THIS SATAN FILLED SOCIETY PERHAPS, THEY ARE IN FEAR OF BEING LEFT BEHIND?????????????????
@logicandreason8090
@logicandreason8090 6 лет назад
i had so much potential, destroyed by religion. I could have been a scientist, an artist, a influential member of society.?? I'll never know. you're not to focus on selfish things like a future career when your a child in the jw's organisation you must devote your life to Jehovah , worship, field service. You can get a boring trade but never a career. if you happen to choose not to stick around and live in JW fantasy land when you grow up then you're at a major disadvantage. I think some elite power hungry money hungry people created religion to produce a mass of disadvantaged people so they were placed at the advantage. To have control over the world. Keeping the truth to themselves while keeping everyone in ignorance.
@williambullard430
@williambullard430 4 года назад
i had RTS all my life and about 8 yrs ago i used drugs to try to talk to god and caught a schizophrenia diagnosis. I had to learn how to think for myself and i'm still in the process of healing. IDK if i will ever lose the schizophrenia though. We all need to stand up to the church and demand compensation
@EXJWBIKER
@EXJWBIKER 6 лет назад
Great video
@matilda4406
@matilda4406 6 лет назад
That's an interesting point about the animals, exactly what my husband would say !
@TWMoore
@TWMoore 3 года назад
So important to bring awareness to RTS within a Jehovah’s Witnesses
@cindyarnold7322
@cindyarnold7322 5 лет назад
Great video! Yes, many of us suffer from post traumatic church/kingdom hall disorder!
@aukscunas
@aukscunas 8 лет назад
Thank you! We track about the same. I left in 03 but I often think as 9/11 as one of the catylists for much as you discribe. Yes religious trauma. I always think of it as spiritual abuse. Anyway - good work - keep it up.
@shanecamendt
@shanecamendt 8 лет назад
wow I thought I was the only one that believed in the peace and security lie thanks for sharing that.
@avakroman2079
@avakroman2079 6 лет назад
I had the exact same thing happen to me!! I saw the little dog,I was heartsick! Even when I saw it again recently,it made wonder why God would so such a cruel thing.That book must have also scared the hell out other kids. Disturbing,& hateful.!
@eastbaysf
@eastbaysf 8 лет назад
Depression sums up my 25 years of being a witness.. I was never happy. Sisters marking me for ridiculous reasons and bullying by elders , sexist treatment, never being good enough, guilted for not preaching while on vacation, elders wives knowing all your business, No support for women ,only some sexist remarks, "stop being emotional"..Shunned for going to college, shunned for getting off the regular pioneer list!!! My list goes on and on..husband being allowed to pray on platform while admitting he refuses to study with me..sexless marriage. nothing could be worse! No hope for women even in the new order! "still stuck in sexist marriage"..HELL I do not want the Watchtowers new order!I am sure you feel the same.
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 8 лет назад
I certainly do feel the same. To friends and family of mine that feel enriched by being JWs: if they are happy, that's fine. I want them to be happy. To friends and family of mine that do NOT feel enriched by being JWs: you don't need to be stuck. So glad you are not stuck in the situation you described in your comment.
@johnnyruins9025
@johnnyruins9025 7 лет назад
great video well said i had much the same experience as a child as you growing up a jw all the best jon
@saracarlson-kringle
@saracarlson-kringle 6 лет назад
You may speak to this...my experience was that I no longer trusted people in the organization and couldn't trust anyone outside of it (I certainly didn't feel understood, seen, cared about / that's my job now, but at the time I just floated in outer space). Currently, I'm finding I don't have any idea of who I am, because I had it drummed into me that anything I was good at outside the Kingdom Hall would take attention and glory away from Jehovah. So, that's my work now. I know the organization likes to point out that those who leave are self-centered and it's all about 'me-me-me' without caring a fig about how Jehovah is feeling...they created the problem. Two things I discovered about Jehovah...one: He's got mighty big shoulders...can handle it. and two: He's not an egomaniac even on His worst day which will never come. Being on a learning curve won't make Jehovah freak out and go on a punitive binge. Keep putting one foot in front of the other...that's my daily work on me.
@alod8544
@alod8544 6 лет назад
Read "Battle for The Mind " by W. Sargant .Forty five years ago this book changed my life.
@annier2933
@annier2933 Год назад
Totally amazing to hear virtually my own story to know i am not the only one to experience this life being brought up as a JW
@tiffanychappel1063
@tiffanychappel1063 7 лет назад
I wasn't born in. My husband was. He stopped attending meetings before I did. We began to realize JW's did not have the truth at nearly the same time. He definitely has had a hard time not reverting to Armageddon fear, although I had some difficulty with it, too. Will definitely check out the links. Thank you.
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 7 лет назад
Thanks for watching, Tiffany. I hope you find some benefit to exploring this topic.
@gg4gb1914
@gg4gb1914 8 лет назад
Found You. I downloaded it Will watch tonight. Protest tomorrow at PHX TUCSON I WILL RETURN !!!!
@RatedExceptional
@RatedExceptional 6 лет назад
Wow! I just found your channel. I would love to hear a conversation between you and bridget fromAZ.
@donnavaughn9409
@donnavaughn9409 4 года назад
The only time LDS people become overwhelmed and depressed, is gay young people who were brought up in the church, however we as other members do not distance ourselves from them, and their lifestyle isn't spoken of in the congregation. However with JW's they do shun people and when someone was molested and the elders don't accept it, the person has no where to go, and they go into a deep depression.
@Sportliveonline
@Sportliveonline 8 лет назад
well done
@bernadettekennedy2981
@bernadettekennedy2981 7 лет назад
Keep it up
@saracarlson-kringle
@saracarlson-kringle 6 лет назад
I'm starting to wonder if their 'ark of salvation' is going to be riding mighty high in the water after they throw everyone with a brain that works out.
@mikeaustin5359
@mikeaustin5359 4 года назад
Oh my god! I remember the Listening to the Great Teacher book and having to do this study with a male member of the congregation. My mother would take me over there and I had to memorize the books of the Bible, old and new testaments. Then the bigger yellow book I think was called something to the effect of "Bible Stories for Kids" or something like that. My breath caught at every world event when I was a kid. I remember walking in front of the TV one day and Alexander Haig was on the TV making some kind of announcement and I stopped dead in my tracks and fear locked me up thinking they were announcing peace and the start of Armageddon. What brainwashing and fear instilled in CHILDREN!!! Shame on the "TRUTH".
@robertahalliburton8352
@robertahalliburton8352 7 лет назад
yes i enjoy listening to this send me some more web site's
@julieconnectict9292
@julieconnectict9292 8 лет назад
Hello, Curtis. Ah, the Paradise book. We shared that at John and Anna's house, now Madeline's house.
@sundance8862
@sundance8862 8 лет назад
;)
@pattynellis7347
@pattynellis7347 4 года назад
I remember the graphic pics and crying because dad and grandma and other relitives who weren't JWs were going to be destroyed.. horrible !
@hwcidybz
@hwcidybz 6 лет назад
Thanks for the video! I've got about 20 years out, with a father still following their lead, and it's nuts....I remember the picture you mentioned with the little girl on the tricycle falling into the pit. Sick stuff for sure. The light does indeed get brighter, just not in the way the organisation says it does.
@foxiedogitchypaws7141
@foxiedogitchypaws7141 3 года назад
We're almost same age growing up in the truth early 60s and reading paradise book and great teacher. All of it leads to stress. It's a Cult that wants power,control and money. 50 year's of being minipulated.
@BJBFOREST
@BJBFOREST 5 лет назад
This is what you get when you believe in supernatural entities..... you remove yourself from reality and then become vulnerable to abuse etc.... education is the key to the meaning of life.
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