Boss DM101 vs MoogerFooger MF104

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2 analog BBD effects pedals - the Boss Dm101 is the new kid on the block and the moogerfooger 104M was discontinued a few years ago but commands very high prices on the used market.
If you're not interested in the modular capabilities of the Moogerfooger and just looking for that tone - can the Dm-101 match it? The Boss in 'classic' mode is along the same lines, but it does have 11 other modes including 6 stereo delays... so there's a lot more choice from that perspective. The Boss also has 127 preset slots and can send MIDI as well as receive it.
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@JustinKosler 11 месяцев назад

For anyone thinking about outlaying the money for a MF104-M, maybe instead buy a Moog Matriarch. You'd get stereo analog delay made by Moog, with all the bells and whistles, along with an entire synthesizer, for about the same money.

@joe_fizz 11 месяцев назад

This is the comparison we've all been waiting for. Thank you

@Waldemar_la_Tendresse 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for that comparison. They both sound awesome. So similar but yet so different, just like twins having grown up in different families.

@OriginalRaveParty 11 месяцев назад

I love them both but the moogerfooger is sublime.

@icu12cme 11 месяцев назад

in Bob Moog's world apparently Cows push lawn mowers (I always thought they mooed). Hyacinth Bucket also springs to mind in 'Keeping Up Appearances' claiming her name is pronounced Bouquet

@rijksvoorlichtingsdienst4427 11 месяцев назад

What are you talking about its commonly known moog is pronounced as mogue but Bob Moog himself said that hes fine with both moog and mogue

@VacancyOfDisco 11 месяцев назад

Like to see the Electronic Audio Experiments Sending V2 thrown into this show down! 😁

@cougarman8 11 месяцев назад

It’s a masterpiece of a delay! Got mine a couple days ago and blown away.

@kanekitchen3802 7 месяцев назад

Any way we could get a comparison of the moog delay vs the newer AMT ADG-1? It’s the same mind behind both so I’m curious how similar they both are

@NebulaStudios1 11 месяцев назад

I had the Moog. I use it for guitar and for my work it did not perform. I change the guitar volume frequently either by the guitar controls or by adding overdrive or fuzz. I was constantly overloading the Moog and getting a red-light. It was most annoying. I eventually sold it. I have the DM-1 and I am enjoying it. It does not do everything, but I have other delays for a full pallet of sounds. Is it better than my Panther Cub V2? It's different.

@MrLeeCox 11 месяцев назад

oooh, are you going play Moog through it? I've been looking for a nice delay for my Sub 37

@ktreier 11 месяцев назад

Nice comparison. I have the 101, couldn’t ever afford the 104. I have the Moog plugin though. How well do you think the plugins compare to the hardware Starsky?

@harounel-poussah6936 3 месяца назад

As well as real Maria Callas compares to AI Callas...

@harounel-poussah6936 3 месяца назад

Hi Starsky. Did you gae a look inside? I consider stuffing multiple stompboxes into an 1U rack enclosure, using Alpha 9mm pots so no need for a pedalboard and... I don't feel like dismantling my two MF-104Z, actually, I have the full Fooger collection (bought end 00's) with the delay in double, but when it comes to the guitar sound, I just need the phaser, the ClusterFlux and the two delays for stereo purposes, the goal is to stuff everything into a SKB RLX-6 flycase: the Triaxis, the Marshall EL84-20/20, Lexicon MPX-G2, Eventide Eclipse and since, in the faceplate of an 1U rack, you can stuff a good hundred of 9mm sized pots, deport the commands there : such enclosure has room for 3 layers of PCB so you can really stuff a full pedalboard's circuits... I already did such thing when I was in a Pink Floyd cover band about 15 years ago, then sold the rack to my "successor", but I'd better look for knowing more about the circuits : there are things which re-casing is impossible, e.g stompboxes with vacuum tubes... Another point with a Fooger collection: you need the Doepfer MCV24 MIDI-to-CV, so it takes 1U more of rack... If I h=just stuff the MF-103 an the MF-108M, the ClusterFlux has the MIDI, the phaser can be ploted by the MP-201 MoogPedal, and I don't really need to go Klaus Schulze with the guitar system

@Zaccyonline 11 месяцев назад

The moogerfooger is stunning. Both are lovely though.

@StevenClements 11 месяцев назад

Moog should still be producing and selling the Moogerfooger range of pedals; no real reason to stop. I guess the Behringer will be for the rest of us... or at least for me to add to the moogerfoogers I have... the second hard market prices on the originals is nutz

@harounel-poussah6936 3 месяца назад

@@StevenClements There are some odd parts from NASA's surplus in the Foogers, once the stockpile was exhausted, well, you may have to cannibalize a Space Shuttle or go into orbit to steal these from a satellite... If Moog was still able to make this gear, believe me, they'd do, but, if you want to re-introduce some obsolete parts, you need an order of 100,000, or you're the NASA and will pay as much for a batch of a few hundreds custom ones... Dunlop had AC128 germanium transistors reintroduced as they needed it for the Fuzz-Face, Roland can absolutely pass an order of 100,000 parts, Moog is a small company, they don't have such a mass of sales, there are just a few hundreds MF-104 around, you know...

@GuitarzanPete 11 месяцев назад

Damn man your moog delay is waay cleaner than mine was. Had one a few years ago and was way too dark sounding so got rid of it... Wondering if there was some quality control in some of them...

@Waldemar_la_Tendresse 11 месяцев назад

Did you ever try a compressor behind it?

@brandonmason388 11 месяцев назад

I wonder if maybe the Moog had some internal trimpots to adjust the filter cutoff of the repeats. Maybe it could’ve been tweaked to get a brighter tone.

@antsmith739 11 месяцев назад

Leftfield... a quiet bit of genius there Starsky.

@StarskyCarr 11 месяцев назад

I should’ve just used all the synths in Melt! A delay tour de force. 😂

@antsmith739 11 месяцев назад

@@StarskyCarr such heady days 😂

@hadror13 4 месяца назад

Get a DSI evolver. 3 bbds included. Is Stereo, has tons of modulation including env follower. Has distortion and filtering. ;)

@eyeinthesky5168 11 месяцев назад

hiya starsky after watchinhg the R space echo vs dm101 i took the plunge on space echo, do you think its worth getting the dm101 as well?

@StarskyCarr 11 месяцев назад

To me they’re different effects. Space echoes is the space echo … more than a delay if that makes any sense whatsoever!

@embersandash 11 месяцев назад

@@StarskyCarr exactly. These BBDs are lush and beautiful I their way but no space echo. Isn’t it fascinating how Roland set the tone (pun intended) for electronic music instruments and effects? It’s like we are living in Roland’s world.

@eyeinthesky5168 11 месяцев назад

@@StarskyCarr Yes it makes Total sense and Both sound lush in there own ways. Thanks.👍

@zap7759 11 месяцев назад

If you compared these to Eventide H90 and a Boss DD-3 it would be an epic video.

@jameslast3192 8 месяцев назад

The moog is not just a little better but light years better. Looks like I’ll be buying a matriarch, which I was thinking about anyway just for the synth!

@JAAPIOJO 11 месяцев назад

Vs a Eventide h90?

@nojuanatall3281 11 месяцев назад

For synth the 101 might not be the best but on guitar it is wonderful. I think you need that crispness of a snappy guitar to get the most out of it. In person I don't find the 101 muddy at all.

@klonewavverr2909 11 месяцев назад

Put the MF104 up against the EAE - Sending v2! Fans are asking!

@NamelessSmile 8 месяцев назад

Put of interest, given the original ICs are out of production. Do these use Behringers bucket brigade ICs i wonder

@harounel-poussah6936 3 месяца назад

Behrinfer uses Cool Audio BBDs, they're similar except they work in 9 Volts instead of 18 Volts, so tey have a lower bandwidth... If you want real MN300x, you can absolutely order a batch... of 100,000 parts, Roland can, and actually, Roland is a division of either Panasonix or Matsushita and both are electronic parts producers... There are often "custom" ICs in Boss/Roland gear, e.a you won't find the Boss HM-2's AOps on the market, that's why there's nothing else to make the Swedish Chainsaw sound...

@embersandash 11 месяцев назад

You need to compare to Asheville Music Tools ADG-1 SE

@cougarman8 11 месяцев назад

That and EAE Sending v2

@embersandash 11 месяцев назад

@@cougarman8 I got the ADG-1 SE. Frankly, I will need to test the 101 to see if it also has the quality of those echoes that disintegrate into puffs of noise.

@cougarman8 11 месяцев назад

@@embersandash for what it’s worth I have the ADG-1 SE, the EAE Sending v2 and the boss dm101. The boss was really disappointing and I was hyped for it. The sound was really underwhelming even though it has the specs and features. The ADG-1 SE is really great. But the EAE blew me away. Can’t say enough good things about it, I think it’s a masterpiece of a delay and I’ve had/have em all (the only exception being the Moog 104! Never played around with one of those!)

@embersandash 11 месяцев назад

@@cougarman8 whoa! That’s some amazing praise. Will try it ASAP. Thank you!!

@almightyEsquilax 11 месяцев назад

It's cheaper to get a Matriarch. Then, you get a stereo 104m, plus a stereo 101 and 102, and a whole synth.

@pepejul 11 месяцев назад

Exactly what I was thinking!

@embersandash 11 месяцев назад

Oh word! Yes….

@mrkeeny 11 месяцев назад

Not really. Not at all actually.

@embersandash 11 месяцев назад

@@mrkeeny ok so - why not? Tone and breakup of the echoes totally different?

@abelzyl2221 8 месяцев назад

I had a Matriarch. The stereo BBD delay was OK, but very dark (there is a brightness control, accessible via system settings mode, but it was still dark, even with that turned on). I DID like the 'offset' control on the L/R delay times on the Matriarch. But overall, I don't think it is nearly as versatile as the MF104 or the Boss DM 101 for external instruments.

@RDHamel 8 месяцев назад

So much you could do with a bbd and boss have come up with 400 quids worth of meh… I’ll take the moog. How much did you say? 😮

@yvesbajulaz 4 месяца назад

That’s the problem with this channel, when you think you want something then you hear how much better the real mccoy sounds and you are back to square one! 😂 man, the moogerfogger sounds so rich and musical…. another league.

@user-we2bk6qb3n 11 месяцев назад

Better ask the synthpunk

@digo8167 11 месяцев назад

Sold my MF104 a couple years ago for like 800 bucks or so.. i thought i made a good one lol

@entropybentwhistle 11 месяцев назад

I bought one during Moog’s final run for $700. I knew the price would go nuts afterwards so I considered it a gear upgrade that provides compounding interest.

@derkernspalter 6 месяцев назад

I sold my MF104M super delay for 1700 Euros. Today it's worth even more. Sometimes though i think i shouldn't have done that. 🤔

@VincentsVideoVisions 2 месяца назад

Ive owned both and for me the dm101 is far better. You gotta hear these properly, not on phone speakers. The Moog delay is okay and all but not worth their current going rates.