Bow Shop CHECKLIST | What to EXPECT from a good shop!

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@jakeherioux1454 3 года назад

I decided so set up my own basement shop after the tech at the shop I bought my bow from didn't know how to tie a D-Loop! I learned everything from scratch and practiced on my own bow and now I've started working on my friends bows. I picked up a few new things in this video, but I think the biggest is taking measurements before you touch the bow to get a baseline. Awesome content!

@Vintage-406 3 года назад

This is exactly why it pays to get the knowledge and skills to work on your own bow. So many shops, even good shops won’t care for your bow how you would, and get everything in time and tuned. Simply because most people who shoot for hunting don’t care enough and think the best that the bow will be is from the manufacturer. They don’t understand how things stretch and wear out and how even a bow that was in tune, won’t stay there without maintenance. This is why I got the stuff to work on my own. You can do A LOT with a basic set of tools. Some levels, T square, a tape, bow vise, press, and scale will pay dividends.

@roncoderre 3 года назад

Nice coverage of what to expect from a bow shop's service staff. Thanks.

@robertmiller6822 2 года назад

Just bought a press and the rest have set up a few bows, I've been told my bow was fine by a shop and the guy that tunes it at my club the bottom cam was missing by like 90mil, thanks for the info man your videos are straight to the point and easy to understand.👌

@mikebarriga Год назад

Biggest eye opener in this video is what to expect from the shop and what you should expect from yourself.

@awiedevilliers1288 3 года назад

You definitely know your stuff thanks for all the good advice

@edhoff24 3 года назад

Nice hoody... just got mine. Video was very informative! I plan to buy my first bow in a few months and your videos have been helpful.

@jeffhallford5284 3 года назад

Just what the Dr. ordered. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Knowing how to do things yourself allows you evaluate a good shop, as well as do things yourself. If you have issues in the field understanding how things work may save your hunt. Keep up the videos.

@adowns11586 3 года назад

Another great video, Nate! Nothing wrong with those 20 year old bows!!! The old High Country still shoots great!

@hammercg59vet70 3 года назад

yes i agree. I have put bloodline om my remedy and am blown away !

@sethpsoton 3 года назад

Great video Nate!!!!

@handgunhtr 3 года назад

Way to rock the THP hoodie! Thanks for the video. Good info.

@Diesel7543 3 года назад

Great video I have really been enjoying this channel for last two years And I’d like to say thankfully the bow shop near me in Plum pa (Ultimate Outdoors)does paper tune the Bows they restring before you take it home

@robcarr8505 3 месяца назад

Thank you for this video. It was extremely helpful. 👍👍👍

@brianredlin 2 года назад

Great video. Not sure how I missed this one.

@teamflanneloutdoors5631 3 года назад

Perfect timing. Turkey bow needs new threads, and I bought a new leftover 2015 model that's giving me a little peep twist. I'm one of those that will bring the hang tag with to ensure everything is back up to spec, will be 2nd trip to new shop, the first trip was a positive experience. Wish me luck.

@ObelixCMM 3 года назад

As somebody who was heavy in photography before archery I always carry camera/lens cleaning kit. This consist of rocket blower, soft (makeup) brush, microfiber cloth and few Q-tips. Works real good for lens, peep and cleaning in general. In my opinion rocket blower should be must for any good archery shop.

@TheWVgoodguy22 3 года назад

Thanks for those tips and heads up on what to do when bringing a bow into a pro shop. I have a PSE from 2006 and I finally replaced the strings and cables last year. I would like to come into a shop and see why I am shooting all over the place. Not sure if I am out of tune or what is going on.

@renatugaming5730 3 года назад

4:34 That's why I'm changing strings and cables BEFORE sighting in!

@charlesparker2369 3 года назад

Great info man thanks.

@MegaBastt 3 года назад

Loved this video thank you. Reinforced some of my fears about the tech that set up my bow. I did like the shop I had but the last two times there is a new tech and he just eyeballs it. I can tell he's new but it doesn't give me a good feeling when I just bought a $1200 bow. Let me know when you do your Texas Tour :P.

@robertculpepper1508 2 года назад

I would say from a salesman standpoint. You should probably offer to put a few twists in the yokes or shim the cam lean out of cams. That is one thing that I hated before I got my own bow press.

@JohnSmith-xi2oq 2 года назад

I just bought my first bow and went to 3 different shops. I told the tech i was new to the sport but had done online research, read forums, read reviews, and watched youtube. So i was at least a bit dangerous. All that pre work really helped with terminology. Shot a bunch decided on the mathews and am now waiting for my green ambush to arrive.

@libbybenedict 3 года назад

Great video!! You’re the best!

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

YOU'RE the best!!!

@MegaTroyhamilton 3 года назад

Thanks for the advice.

@steven_farmer89 3 года назад

The saddest thing about this video is, it has less than 10k views...time again and again, you put out killer videos with honest and straight forward information. I am new to archery, the line I have used is “you don’t know, what you don’t know”, and I am learning a lot. Thank you. I have binge watched yours, elk shape, and Brandon McDonalds videos and I have learned a lot. I hope your success continues to go up; if you can, can you add links to the tools you use or recommend for working (tuning) on a bow (after posting the comment, I see you have already added some links). Keep killing It, and looking forward to your next video, or another already posted gem.

@jimmyjones2426 2 года назад

Add ‘Inside Out Precision’ to your list of channels to pay attention to 🤙🏼

@sed6 Год назад

50k views now 👍

@Alan_Edwards 3 года назад

Dude you had me laughing my ass off with the "throw up in a bucket" comment. Interesting video though. When I first got into archery, I met a couple of real good pros at my club who really helped me to understand the inner workings of a bow. Being a very hands on and very mechanical guy, I took the time to learn everything I needed to know to work on my bow for about 95% of things and it was worth it. Not only does it save money, but it makes the sport a lot more interesting when you know what is going on and can do your own work. All adds to the enjoyment of the sport IMO.

@ken244 2 года назад

Good general info. Maybe you could do a video on how to adjust the pull weight and draw length on a bow. I also like to know how to work on my own equipment. I believe the more you understand how things work the better you operate them and also, nobody cares more about your equipment than you do. Thanks for all your videos.

@frankspataro9714 3 года назад

After years of having a great bow shop then went to a half decent one now I finally think I found a very good one and I ordered a new hoyt from him it's a shame that hoyt rep said it's 14 weeks out on a ventum 33 in camo I could of took the green one but I know me and spray painting 1200 dollar bows I just couldnt do it

@chuckpatterson8374 3 года назад

Good info.

@jthepickle7 7 месяцев назад

20 years ago, I bought a right-handed Hoyt. Better said; I was sold a right-handed Hoyt. As I learned about archery, I discovered that I am left eye dominant - I knew then that I was also left- handed. I just bought another bow, right-handed, why change now? (on the new bow, cams were ill-timed) Had I encountered good people in an honest bow shop, I would be shooting left-handed now. On my next B-Day I'll turn a crotchety 70. I trust far fewer people than I did even 20 years ago.

@rabbit5717 3 года назад

Whoops. Both these younger guys are good friends of mine now not because off free work, but they feel I saved them. They are very appreciative of have the bow and arrows shooting perfectly I seeing the overall improvement in equipment and shooting skill.

@plram3054 3 года назад

Great video. I wish that I could find a bow shop near me.

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

It's unfortunate you can't!

@renatugaming5730 3 года назад

I was about to put my own string and cable set on my bow because I'm not paying 160 for the string, 15 for the peep, 10 for the d loop, and walk away without my ATA length and my Brace height not checked and especially walk away without having a bow press myself. I'm not going to deal with that if it's not used with vec 99 either!

@m_sani 2 года назад

I really like how you share a lot of info even if the video is long, 20:34 don't feel sorry Nate, we should thank you instead 😊

@backtothebook27 2 года назад

#subscribed & liked, thanks tor the bow shop tips, you channel has alot of good data on it for new hunters like me

@otheropinionssuck 3 года назад

Oh man, as an employee at a bow shop I FELT this video...I want my sight tape to be the same 😫😅😅

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

The struggle is REAL.

@Lucas-jy7cv 3 года назад

@@averagejackarchery so that sticker is the max lbs you can shoot from that bow?

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

@@Lucas-jy7cv Yes. Bows are labeled with their peak weight.

@Lucas-jy7cv 3 года назад

@@averagejackarchery thanks. Nice work you do too.

@indianabrandon3029 3 года назад

Wish my local bow shops cared this much

@renatugaming5730 3 года назад

I personally have a question in mind to ask once I head into the shop. Instead of asking "Hey could you look this over?" I add more to that by saying "Hey could you look this over I think my draw module is broken on my top limb" I would say this or ask any other question like "Hey could you look over my strings? I think it's ready to be replaced"

@MrSnakeman94 3 года назад

The bow shop i bought my bear inception from went from friendly to pushy when i mentioned the rancy fairy and the hunting public inspiring me to buy my first bow which he was setting up for me. Called them idiots lol

@NPC-fl3gq 3 года назад

Dude, your channel is right up there with the top tier archery channels. Keep up the great work!!

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

Wow, thanks!

@myotheraccount5947 3 года назад

My local archery pro shop is operated by a guy that gets angry if you ask him simple questions like "how do you measure draw length," because he only has his costumers draw back a bow and look at them and will not adjust an adjustable bow to given draw length. I also mentioned that my sons and I were going to build our arrows to be stiffer with a greater FOC and he got angry and waved his hands off and said that's all nonsense. It really sucks that there are some people that refuse to learn some things and get angry if someone presents a new perspective that might include science and mathematics. Frustrating

@myotheraccount5947 3 года назад

He also argued against putting a kisser button on the string because "it rests in the middle of your lips" and argued that it doesn't rest in the corner of your mouth. He's a real piece of work

@renatugaming5730 3 года назад

@@myotheraccount5947 I would try to get a different pro shop if needed. If he's not giving basic advice that every archer should know ( how to adjust draw length, how to pick right arrow length, how to adjust draw weight etc.) then they wouldn't be qualified to do even more advanced archery work (paper tuning, nock tuning, changing top hats on Mathews, changing strings and cables etc.) Not that paper tuning is difficult, but figuring it out can take some time. If it's just that one guy, then maybe try coming to a different employee (unless the person you're talking about is the manager and won't let the employees be educated). But I would highly encourage you to find a different shop and try them out and see how they would help you with an FOC setup or a kisser button. There is nothing wrong with a higher FOC setup as long as you go to a stiffer shaft considering it not only can help penetration, but can also help arrow flight. He probably is a person that doesn't believe in the reasons why it can help for some people that want to get more arrow weight. As for the kisser button, what they said was nonsense. It doesn't matter where the kisser button is on, as long as it can improve your anchor, you're good to go. If it's in the middle of your lips, that means you should probably check your draw length (probably not at this shop but another shop will do, you can also try contacting Nate and see if your anchor might be a bit off). If your draw length is too short, then the string won't line up with the corner of the mouth, but if middle of the mouth works for you, then go ahead.

@ScottWConvid19 3 года назад

@@renatugaming5730 I guess you didn't quite understand what I tried to communicate about the kisser button. He discourages anyone getting a kisser button at all. His reasoning is that it set in the center of the lips. When the string is drawn back, touching your nose and cheeks, it's impossible for the mixer button to be smack in the middle of your lips. It'll either be touching you cheek, the corner of your lips or nothing at all. The string makes a straight line and the center of the lips is not in that line

@ScottWConvid19 3 года назад

@@renatugaming5730 I agree about finding a new shop. The problem I've had is that there aren't any others near me and I'd have to drive over an hour to even begin to find one where the techs are educated

@renatugaming5730 3 года назад

@@ScottWConvid19 Ah, now I get what you mean, sorry about that.

@MrRay645 3 года назад

"hand you the bow and say good luck" pretty much the level of service I have found so far... but at least your honest about the sub par work, mine acts like the do a great job but also do just the bare minimum to get the customer out the door....... not going to get great service anyway so I may as well save some money buy online and go to a good tuner or real tech.

@robcarr8505 3 месяца назад

I bought a bow from a friend who only brought it to the range twice. I don't know much about compound bows. I don't even know my actual draw length. Would it be an insult to bring the bow in and ask them to help me set it up? I need arrows and a tune. If i like shooting compound, ill most likely be a customer for life and buy future equipment from them.

@bkbowhunter1 3 года назад

Now thats a pretty bow 🤩. Not a bow question is that a wireless mic you have on. Good video 👍

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

Yup! Been using the Movo WMX-1 for a while now. Really like it!

@toolsstop 2 года назад

Gosh darn it brother you might be more knowledgeable than MFJJ. Absolutely LOVE your videos, I learn so much. I wanted to ask, hoyt or mathews??? Or pse? 👍👍👍🤛

@samstandan4686 3 года назад

one of the first

@EMSGuy 3 года назад

Nope not warmer in Lancaster PA

@ScottWConvid19 3 года назад

The bolognavirus even has Jack wearing sweats at work

@MissConstable1 3 года назад

He's in the basement 😂

@Bassinwithjesse 3 года назад

Unfortunately I don’t have a shop that does any of these things. Everything is eyeballed. No paper tune. No levels or tape measures. I did find a custom string maker very close to me that will be helping me setup my new V3. So fingers crossed.....

@scifisamurai7794 3 года назад

8th comment, woot! Thanks for another great set of tips man 🙂👍

@rabbit5717 3 года назад

Bowshops do t want you to know anything especially about the conditions that determine if you need new strings or cables. If there is some fraying of fuzziness, “oh. You need new strings AND cables.” A local shop that’s go e now, was the biggest in the area and most I’ve been in, charge $75 for laser tuning. Just moving here with everything a bow shop has in tools and equipment, 2 guys asked me to look at there NEW bows. A Hoyt and PSE. Both from the same guy. Both $75 laser set up wit all new accessories. I made the 2 bring they’re arrows and told them YOUR going to be here awhile as I’m not tuning your bow to me, but to you. (They didn’t come at the same time) So they were both desperate as hunting season in a few weeks. I had the shoot they’re bow in front of me. Both draw lengths bot way too long. Paper tears where 2-2.5” off. I got the DL correct first. Peep height set 2nd. I told them I’d help with the arrow spine and shooting flaws later. Anyways, long story short, PSE took 5 hours including arrow tuning and Hoyt 2 trips totaling a light the same. There wasn’t a possibility that either bow was laser tuned. Rest weren’t near any center shot. ATA and brace off too. I did this for free as I’m retired anyways and extremely knowledgeable in every way in bow technology, arrow building and shooting form. So, both these guys at

@Davidandsons 3 года назад

I have a question if the bow Shop doesn't do what you state how much do you charge to do it correctly

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

This is the age old question. Unfortunately its region specific, based on the general economics of the industry in the area.

@shadyp-zv3uf 3 года назад

Do you fully tie in your peep before adjusting for rotation or partially until after?

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

Partially, so it doesn't fly out. The. Fully once settled.

@shadyp-zv3uf 3 года назад

@@averagejackarchery exactly what I do- just the serving above and below

@alcap57 3 года назад

Where in Pa. is your shop located? I’m from northeast Pa. don’t have any shops really close to where I live.

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

I work at Jim's Sports Center in Clearfield PA. But only "full time" during the summer and peak business before archery in September. Winter and spring I stay out of their hair. :)

@JoshSmith-md8cd 3 года назад

Ok, so my cables are being ate up by my cable slide. My question is why is this happening?

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

What bow? Roller or fixed slide?

@stevebarscz6309 3 года назад

One guy at a shop I went to told me he can't hit a target at 10 yards if he uses a fixed blade....and this guy works on peoples bows. Pretty much only 2 decent shops in the whole entire state of Massachusetts so get ready to drive.

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

😬😬😬😬

@louisbailey4900 3 года назад

I used to use fixed heads,but if a bow is set up properly,it'll shoot fixed same as field points. I went back to fixed and won't look back

@stevebarscz6309 3 года назад

@@louisbailey4900 Yup I broadhead tuned my bow in under a half hour, won't go back now either

@muleybuckco Год назад

Should be doing this at every so called pro shop as well, most don't, and that's why people oftentimes bad mouth shops, to much half ass work

@tradarcher8714 3 года назад

Or you could just shoot a Trad bow and forgo the headache of a compound

@joshbrown7783 3 года назад

Where can I find that hoodie your wearing?

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

Literally search The Hunting Public merchandise on Google and you'll find it.

@joshbrown7783 3 года назад

@@averagejackarchery aw yes, my ole friend "google"! Thanks man! Keep up with the content! Amazing stuff!

@renatugaming5730 3 года назад

Is brace height on stock bows (mine is 7 inches) is that measured at max peak weight or is my 7 inch brace height supposed to be for any poundage?

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

That is measured at peak. Lowering poundage increases brace height a touch.

@renatugaming5730 3 года назад

@@averagejackarchery so I should tighten my limb bolts all the way to get brace height or should I make my current poundage have a 7 inch brace height?

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

@@renatugaming5730 Don't sweat brace height if you're shooting the poundage you want right now.

@renatugaming5730 3 года назад

@@averagejackarchery alright, thanks Nate!

@josephtreadlightly5686 3 года назад

Yeah, been there. When I was working in the bowshop back in the 90's I focused on helping the people that wanted the best equipment. People that want to learn & will put in the work. Not much u can do for the unrealistic customer that is too lazy to even pick his own #'s when he buys a lottery ticket & chooses the quick pick everytime! Of course the dreaded ?, "will it kill a deer?" Kill a deer, maybe. Kill a deer ethically, not really. Really glad that the industry has bullet proofed the equipment where there just isn't as many problems like we used to have with limbs, noise & just bad designs on those companies that put out products that u couldn't touch barring a lawsuit.

@jasonnester9514 2 года назад

It’s shocking to me how many people are clueless about bows

@toddlymburner5783 3 года назад

Love your stuff but I disagree on a few things. How is a person supposed to take their bow home and paper tune?? You absolutely need a press for that, especially if your yolk tuning.

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

First off, no. Rest movement is needed to paper tune 90% of bows. Second, yoke tuning is a righteous pain and therefore no one, even Hoyt, has released a flagship yoked bow like the yoked bows of the past. I have several videos on tuning and paper tuning and never once touch a press to do so.

@toddlymburner5783 3 года назад

@@averagejackarchery so if you tear through paper you immediately want to start moving your rest around king it out of center shot?

@Samuelalexandersimon 3 года назад

@@toddlymburner5783 this is also something I’m curious about. I see people who clearly both know what they’re talking about making contradictory statements on this. Precision archery from The Bow Rack advocates yoke tuning/shimming cams, and doing minimal rest tuning. Then, you have people like the Ranch Fairy advocating arrow tuning... it can definitely get a bit confusing

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

Center shot is just a starting point. How else do you rectify tears through paper? Vertical tears? Move rest or put cams out of time...yeah. Move the rest is it! What if there's no yoke like literally every flagship this year? Break the whole bow down and shim...? No. Move the rest. Been going on for decades. Even recurve archers move their plunger in and out to get optimal flex with spine.

@toddlymburner5783 3 года назад

@@averagejackarchery moving your rest up and down still keeps your arrow coming right through the middle of the rest which is ideal. The new bows like Bowtech (deadlock) and the shimming on other bows move the cams left and right on the axle. Yeah it takes longer to yoke tune and also put it back on the draw board to check the timing. That’s why there are bow shops. Good bow shops will do it.

@ForgetU 3 года назад

First besides you.

@johnniepiko 3 года назад

Brass silencers? 🤣

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

I know I know. ALL the brain farts!!!!

@abramzoschg4983 3 года назад

I've been to my fair share of bow shops. Literally never seen any of these things used. Makes me a little sick thinking how much I paid them to just dick me over. Seems like if you want it done right these days you've gotta do it yourself.

@scottkaercher1733 3 года назад

Not everyone can afford 1700 for a new bow and thats why guys are still using 25yr old bows.

@andrewshapley4266 3 года назад

Nate can you please just move to southeast Ohio so you can work on my stuff? Your videos stress me out because I’m starting to have less and less confidence in the people that work on my bow.

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

Haha! Well I grew up in Xenia/Dayton area most of my childhood. Nice place, but PA is in my veins!!!

@rabbit5717 3 года назад

PRO Shop? No such thing

@erichmoller1439 3 года назад

Yikes

@louisbailey4900 3 года назад

If a person can't time their bow,I'd really hate to see their car engines. Seriously...a bit of common sense,makes it as ez as changing plugs and oil. Best thing people can do to tune their bows.....is stay away from all the armchair "pros" on internet forums.

@chuckdean260 3 года назад

So basically you do better work for people at you home shop than you do at the bow shop you work at. Your words not mine. If I owned the bow shop you worked at I would fire your ass! Your the reason folks are learning to do it ourselves.

@ScottWConvid19 3 года назад

Where did he say that? (Edit-If you're referring to 3:25 when he says that he'll give greater attention to the specs in his home shop than he will at the shop where he works, I can see where you might think that's what he was saying, however it sounds to me like he might be working at a busy shop that could be short staffed and he could be following his boss' protocol. He said "time is of the essence." I think it's an unfair assumption to think otherwise.

@michaelrobinson6988 3 года назад

I agree with ya Chuck, that’s what I got out of it too. I think this is the norm these days. I drive 2 hours past 3 other shops to get done what I can’t do myself. These other shops just half ass stuff and send you walking. The shop I go to now takes their time and really goes over everything and has you shooting bullet holes through paper before you leave. It takes time and they do this with every customer. I might add that they are one of the busiest shops in the state with 3 dudes working their, so, the we are a busy shop don’t mean shit to me and it’s just an excuse.

@averagejackarchery 3 года назад

Of course not. Absolutely ridiculous to think I don't put the full effort into work in the shop. What I said, and I have a podcast episode where I truly dive into this, is that all the time put into doing each individual step that I outlined isn't what a vast majority of archers are looking for. They want their bow to work and keep working reliably. I give everyone that (as well as my colleagues) and more at the shop and home. I just cannot justify a lot of time given to the extras I mentioned. And very few shops truly can either unless their quote large like Lancaster or Bow Rack where their staff is significantly larger. We are one of the best shops in the central PA area and work our tails off with 3-4 guys at peak season and it's still not enough to keep up with everyone's demands.

@renatugaming5730 3 года назад

@@averagejackarchery I have many small shops in my area and I agree that everyone has a little amount of staff and lots of customers and they still can't keep up especially during hunting season and I don't blame them, there's a lot of guys coming in once and never coming back until next year.