Great vid! I'm 63 and just getting into bowling. When I started I had no idea what I was doing. I was planting and didn't even know it. But when I realized I was taking a step and planting I decided to learn how to slide. But I wasn't doing bad. Most won't believe this but my first weekend of practice I did not bowl below a 150. Since I've been trying to slide my game is all over the place. I do have some back injuries that effect my lower back and after some trial and error, planting seems to give me more control. I thought I had to slide but after watching your vid I see that planting is ok. Last Friday was my last practice and I went back to planting after almost 3 months of trying to slide and I bowled a 164,177 and two 201's. I think I'm going to stick with planting. Thanks for the video!!
I've always been a planter and my coach wants me to learn how to slide. I will try the one and two step approaches to learn this like you indicated. Only thing is I suck at one and two step approaches. It feels so weird
Same recently have a sprain or strain on my upper thigh everytime i turn my leg 90 degrees to the right my upper thigh starts to hurt so i need to learn how to slide and i need to stretch before bowling
@canefan17 I'm not sure if there is an easier way, but I started with a 1 step approach to get comfortable. Once I was comfortable with 1 I went to 2 steps. Etc, etc. It is not easy to do and took a long, long time.
I started off planting in the very beginning, but I switched to a slide just by making a conscious effort to do that on every shot. I found when I did that I was more balanced at the finish and got some additional leverage during my release as well.
This is actually very helpful! One of the alleys I bowl at has floors that are very sticky, and I cant slide at all. I thought it was just the fact that they weren’t taking care of the floor, but I never knew some people actually planted! Especially with Junior Gold happening in a couple of days, this is very helpful to know before I fly out to Indy. Hopefully I can get familiar with it before I go. Thanks!
I'm a slider. If I'm in a house with very sticky approaches, I take tiny slow steps to avoid sticking and falling. I never thought about the heal to toe at release. I'll give it a try. Thanks.
Good advice. Thanks ! About the comparison of the timings : it's not easy to compare as the planting happens in a much shorter period of time (fraction of a second), while sliding takes a lot longer. So it is not easy to stop the video on the correct moment of sliding to compare where the ball is.
AOB, very useful video. I enjoy your channel’s practical content as I’m an old guy getting back into the game after 50 years in order to bowl league with my wife. I am most appreciative of you directing me to “Bowling Beyond The Basics”.
For me, it has been the opposite. My knee is a lot more stable by planting. Last year, I went back to working on my slide, for about 6 months. Then, tore my meniscus in my left knee(slide), while bowling. I have since gone back to planting. My knee is less snore, and my leverage is greater when planting. As a big guy, sliding is just too unstable and out of control. Sliding can produce a little extra ball speed, but weaker leverage on the release(at least for me).
I’ve been thinking about converting to planting soon for more stability as well, been sliding for years but like you said. Can feel unstable and out of control
I've actually had to learn how to plant-throw recently because the humidity has made approaches in southeast Michigan completely unusable multiple times recently. I prefer sliding by a long shot but I definitely does not hurt to be decent at the opposite of your normal way of bowling.
@@jbifulco8372 soles didn't make a difference, people even struggled to slide with socks over their shoes. It felt like stepping onto an approach with coca cola spilled on it.
I never realized the timing with a side by side comparison. Ive been a planter my whole life. I actually switched from 2 handed to 1 handed as my IT band was really hurting planting with the force 2 handed. And i can really feel when i have my ball way to far back on the backswing or i approach way slower i end up pulling my ball or pushing it. Now i know what to look and feel for i think i can finish this season out well.
Thanks for helping me get a slide into my game over a year ago. As my alley tends to have a more "sticky" surface, getting the right sole on my sliding shoe helped, too. My knee stopped hurting, as well! I have seen a young man in our alley who had to get a knee brace due to his planting. After her signed with a college, that was one of the first things they changed about his approach. Say, "Hey" to Art of Brooklyn for me! ;-)
First of all thanks for the video, very helpful! I agreed the best way to do is learning both ways. I used to be a slider, but one day because of the stickiness on the approach, I failed, after that I had fear of falling again, so now I am a planter. I understand sliding is good for long term health and helping speed...but I am now so careful!
So since my last comment, I had worked on moving my feet faster to pick up ball speed. Long story short, I developed a slide that didn't cause pain and improved my repeatability. Last night was the first time my heel stuck since beginning to slide again. I couldn't figure out what was going on. Unfortunately when I switched to a plant to avoid a belly slide down the lane, my timing seemed to suffer quite a bit more (ironically timing might have been the problem the whole time, too early and the the heel naturally puts on the brakes) So I had to watch again to confirm some suspicions. And plan to practice timing both approaches paired to a 7 arrow drill.
I have a pretty bad chronic knee injury and bending into the slide puts tremendous stress on my knee. I had to learn to bowl with a straight leg, plant style.
I realized that I was a planter naturally last year when I returned to bowling after a couple of decades. High humidity is an issue here so I guess that's good for me.
ive been a slider for longer than i can remember. currently 35 years old and bowl in an area where when it rains there is almost no slide and makes it a bad night for me. def going to give this a try to see if i can slow down and go to a plant approach
I have a ruptured meniscus, I have to slide to ease the pain. A knee brace helps and I also use teflon that I glue to the sole and leather that I glue to the heel, it never sticks in any condition. 217 av.
Planting is really good to if you play bowling on synthetic approaches. It was a hot summer morning I couldn't slide well. So I said plant my foot, and release. However my opponent was getting mad because he couldn't slide that day, hence I beat him 2 out of 3 games. I was happy that day.
@@ArtOfBowling Yes, thanks. You create videos precise to the point of the title of the video. You hold the attention of the viewer. Some corny jokes, but all in good fun!! Thanks coach Arthur
At one time, I was able to do both. But because of a bad knee (same one replaced twice now), I got away from the plant and do nothing but slide now. Now, to be fair, there’s never a lot of humidity here in Vegas. Our wet season is usually at the end of July to mid August and the humidity can get bad. To compensate for the sticky conditions I have #12 soles just for that time of year. The rest of the time I use #10’s.
Can't wait to try the heal to toe plant. I hadn't been bowling in years and i fell into foul with my first approach, as the floor was sticky and I didn't slide. Pretty embarrassing lol.
I just noticed I turn my foot at the end of my slide. I start sliding straight then turn it outward at the end of the slide. If you're a skater I believe it is embedded in my head that this will stop me from going down the lane. 🤣 I wonder if that affects anything and how. 🤷🏾♀️ newbie here. Average 132 high 200. Second league season. Still tweeking many small things.
Yes I agree with this guy. Less excuses more verities. Yes we hate doing that. Never blame it on the lanes I can’t stand it when I hear bowlers complain. Say oh these lanes stink, unless a good bit of bowling balls come back damaged.
I've been considering switching to a slide and maybe sometime I'll give it a try. However, as others have eluded to, I've had a knee injury and subsequent surgery and I just don't trust the slide. I feel like planting gives me more control over the stress on my knee whereas with a slide, slight variations in surface like a couple beads of sweat dropping from someones forehead can dramatically affect the condition of the approach. Coming to a screeching halt when planning to slide seems more dangerous to my knee. Also, good or bad, right or wrong, I use a 3 step approach and my ball speed is 13-14 mph... So it's not like I'm running up there like some of the guys you see on tour.
Dealing with issues like a post-op knee can be difficult. Everyone comes away with a different level of rehabilitation, so there is no "one way" path to switching over to a slide. A 3 step approach seems like a good start to converting to a slide, as your momentum wouldn't be as high as a 4 or 5 step approach. Whichever way you choose, I wish you the best. See you on the lanes!
I’m a planter. I’ve been wanting to learn the slide step. I’m looking forward to trying this drill and adding the slide. Cool beans!! I bowl on old style wooden lanes that are pretty worn. Is sliding easier to learn on synthetic?
I like to slide. I am having bad hip bad issues and am facing double replacement. I have always thought sliding was better but I have noticed most planters do not stop real sudden. Nothing like when a slider sticks. I stepped in some ones damn beer the other night. I jammed my hip so bad I rolled 246, 223 and a 140. Sometimes I wonder if planting is not better. Especially if a person wants to bowl from center to center in tournaments. It seems like it planting would make a more consistent game. Because I never slide the same from house to house. This is where the expensive shoes help I guess to be able to change souls. I use a felt like slide cover over my left shoe for maximum slide.
@@ArtOfBowling miss room meaning at your point of release. During the release you don't always release the ball in the same body/arm position. By sliding and staying lower longer if the is released slightly more in front or to the side of you, you have a better chance of hitting your aim point. I apologize for the poor wording of the initial question. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
I like this video about sliding. I been watching all kinds of video on sliding. Yours looks the easiest to learn. What is your opinion on getting a slide sock?
I Slide... I'm currently serving a 2 year ban from my local center. Approaches were so sticky I couldn't slide and injured my knee. I then lost the plot and kicked the no entry sign half way down the mechanics walk way beside lane 1.
Video is cute and all but having a bowling shoe with interchangeable sole/heels makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE for lane approach conditions. You bowling in the humid summer like in August? Try using an S10 or S12(black ice) sole to get good slide so you don't plant and hurt your knee! Same, say it's January in Winter, dryer air climate, so maybe using a S8 sole will give you the perfect amount of slide. Where as using that S10+ you use in Summer... suddenly during the Winter months makes you feel like you're sliding on a frozen pond of ICE, in which you might fall on your face or causes you to fall off your shot!
@@ArtOfBowling Hamilton Ontario Canada. Home of some damn fine Canadian bowlers ( that I wouldn't be surprised to find out know you sir ). I'm just an average one hehehe but I love the sport and I really appreciate your videos.
I do know some very good bowlers that plant, but there are very few of them. But it is my opinion that planting is bad. It surely puts a lot more stress on the knee and if you expect to bowl as long as me (43 years) you want to protect it. Yes, you can now get knee replacement surgery but I would rather not.
Planting can cause a ton of stress on the knee, yes. While it’s good to know how to do both, I encourage everyone to learn how to slide. Thank you for your continued support, Dr. Wisdom! See you on the lanes
I want to start sliding but I start my run up pretty far back to avoid stepping on the foul line so I don't know if it's possible for me unless I change up my run up either way nice video
to keep from fouling draw a line with a erasable marker 6 inches in front of the foul line....we tend not to foul and get to the same spot on the lane no matter where we stand
so humidity effects sliding? i guess i wont be learning that ever. my soles have always been inconsistent across multiple shoes so i just figured it was a pricepoint concern. i guess it makes sense that the microfibre soles would soak up moisture and i do live in sub-tropical queensland so this video may have answered a mystery for me. i suppose the shoes with replaceable soles may be able to handle this problem but if planting works i'm not going to spend so much on an experiment
If sliding is so important, why do you have to buy such expensive shoes to allow you to slide? I just went to a pro shop to replace 15 year old entry level (slippery) Dexters and the associate basically told me I won't slide with any of the shoes on their $60-$100 rack and to look at these $150-$200 shoes they have if I want to slide.
I like sliding but I find myself getting stuck and tripping sometimes (a bit too often). I think I need new shoes. I have a beginner pair where the slide pad isn’t one piece. There’s a horizontal split between sections and I think that contributes to sticking. It’s embarrassing so I may work on this planting drill to avoid the inconsistencies when throwing. When you’re in your head about whether or not your going to have a comfy slide or trip during your release you can’t focus on executing a good shot.
Thanks for this. I guess I need to learn to slide, because my old fart body is unhappy. The only problem is, the lane I use is located in a humid lower level, or as I call it, Louisiana. So maybe I'll have problems, we will see.
I still to this day cannot figure out how to bring the ball way back in the air like that on my backswing. I feel like I’m going to throw the ball directly into the floor if I do that.
