4.7-4.8 lbs for a Carbon bow... Or 3.65 lbs for a Mach 34? Kind of a no brainer isn't it? I just dont see how bow tech will ever compete in the carbon game with that overall weight
True, but only a no brainer regarding weight, which to be fair they don't even advertise it that way. Deadlock, TimeLock, and flip disc, could be a no brainer for Bowtech for some people. Personally, I think carbon bows period are not worth it for their price to aluminum counterparts.
@@danielfetchak1865 There isn't a current high end bow on the market that I cant shoot lights out... They are all good. We are splitting hairs at this point. But if Im gonna spend the money on Carbon, I want it lightweight. If weight isn't an issue, Ill save the money.
Yeah I can see that for sure a lot of people like that factor. But not sure its worth the $600+ for it. But I am just in Texas so not as cold as the north gets. @@gratefuldude82
It’s very refreshing to see somebody who is in the archery industry and is honest about the reviews of equipment. We all know Josh loves bowtech, but he is totally fair with the review of them, unlike some people and some manufacturers that sponsor them.
Watching the vibration test, the first one with dampeners in was actually 11, it jumped to 13 when you hit the hump on the draw. But it’s weird the dampeners didn’t take any vibration. Can’t wait to see more reviews on 2024 bows.
I was thinking about this watching the video. The most visible shaking of the bow is on the draw. Would be interested in a test where the recording was reset after coming to full draw to accurately measure vibration on the shot.
The way they extended the riser with the black plastic (?) or whatever that is to be able to get to 33 A to A is pretty sketchy looking. Too bad they dabbled in carbon and now they are going to double down on it before they have to accept they are not taking carbon market space from Hoyt.
That is what I am thinking since the Carbon One was a total failure. At one point back in August my local shop was giving a Bowtech Amplify to anyone who purchased a Carbon One, it was that bad.@@simonaudet1107
It's not black plastic, it is aluminum. Look at the aluminum risers on the Core SR and Core SS. They are the same riser design, but they modified the limb pocket angle on the Core SR to give it a longer ATA. That is how they did the carbon risers on the Carbon One X and Carbon One. They kept the same riser design and just modified the limb angle to give the Carbon One X a longer ATA. Go look at the Hoyt VTM31 and the VTM 34. They did the same thing. They used the same riser design with modified limb angles on the VTM 34 to give it a longer ATA.
I was hoping for a carbon ss34 with the pic mount from BowTech. got excited with I saw longer ATA, and sad they didn't make the riser longer like the SS34. Hopefully next year, my dream bow is a reality! Thanks for doing these MFJJ. it's great to see how the spec's compare to reality, and not just speed vs IBO!
I have a PSE Carbon 34 (80lb) and Elite Omnia as my backup! I can hardly shoot the Omnia with Enjoyment due to the weight. PSE Carbon bows have turned me into a bitch! By the way I have owned a Carbon PSE and Hoyt since 2016 and feel at home with the PSE.
Would be awesome to see you review some of the APA products once in a while, they seem to be excluded from all of your reviews and comparisons... is there a reason for this? Thanks for the video!
What is more important for forgiveness? ATA or reflex length? This bow is a 33 ATA but has an inch longer reflex than the Core SS (31.5 ATA) I am trying to decide between the Carbon one X, Core SS and SR for western hunting. I will eventually test them all but want to know which one on paper should be the most forgiving?
There is three parts for vibration initial peak duration and dissipation. I think your measuring leak which is why the dampers did not saw an advantage. It should help reduce duration and increase dissipation which is not measured from what I can tell. As it’s a number reading not a acceleration over time curve.
I thought those centralized dampeners was a good idea. Now, with your vibration test, it looks like it is just a marketing gimmick. 😂 Better settle with limb dampeners… It will probably work better. 👍
Already saw one comment, but would like to make another to help it get seen, the vibration results are capturing the draw and back wall impact more than the shot. You can see 10:10-10:15
The only reason I'm even considering a carbon bow is for weight savings so this one's a no go for me. Could you find a way to put those axles and cams on a PSE Mach 34?😂
Disappointed that the carbon doesnt have the grip upgrade but im overall very impressed with what bowtech had done for this year. As always thanks for saving me a shit ton of time by helping me realize some things i do and dont want to shoot without spending my whole day in a shop.
Is there some sort of torque spec when putting on those orbital dampeners? It's possible that they weren't doing their job because it was over torqued?
Why buy any carbon bow? Hundreds of dollars of markup for .5lb less weight and overall less durability? If carbon bows were the same price as their aluminum counterparts, there is an argument, but until that happens, carbon isn't worth it at all, no matter the manufacturer.
I wonder in terms of that Vibration what was "the hand feeling" if that helps. Maybe data on device does not show it but it feels better? There is always a question how an electronic measurement affect our feeling and maybe the feelings are different than data..
Bowtech is getting worse year by year. They are completely lost. Without clear direction, only copy mathews and hoyt way, but with worse results. Sorry for them, i uesd to be a bowtech fun. But 4 years ago i went with hoyt and i will not return anymore with that situatiob
Question. Why do you test IBO speed rated bows at AMO/ATA specs? From my understanding an IBO speed test of that bow should be 70#, 30.5" and 350gr arrow. IBO doesn't specify a max draw length, just a draw weight (80#) and grain/pound. I wouldn't be surprised if that bow is right at its stated speed at 30.5".
My 8 year old Bowtech BTX28 is still performing great alongside the newer flagships. The carbon one is actually heavier than my BTX....so if I really need to shave weight, that's what the Carbon Icon is for, as it actually gets the job done while being a full pound lighter than my aluminum BTX.
Bowtech is a manufacturer that entices me, but doesn’t sell me unfortunately. Carbon bows by default in my experience should be lighter, that’s one main reason you buy carbon. Oh well, let’s see what some of the other big names come out with this year.
@@sheyanderson4371 True, true. Generally, I haven’t been a fan of Bowtech’s draw cycle ever since I tried the RPM 350. Just hasn’t felt right to me. I know, some guys like them a lot. I tried the Carbon One last year and it was not comfortable to draw, even in Comfort Mode. Dunno why, just wasn’t. Now to your point, I think they’re a great company and they make great bows for anyone that’s in the market for them. Any new shooter that asks me what is the best and I always tell them: “The best bow is the one that feels the best to you, don’t buy a brand because of a name, or because your buddy says they’re the best bow on the market, invest in a bow that will perform well in YOUR hands.”
Just tewll the truth,you're a biased Bowtechie. Thats fine They make a decent bow for sure. But they lost speeds over the years. Bowtech was our speed bow and new gagetry company. Though gagetry is still strong, these 2 cams are getting slower,sure less vibe, but they don't draw any easier except maybe Hoyt ?
They almost had me buying one until the dampeners made the vibration worse. Going from 12.5 to 14.0, oh the horror. Just messin. I bet it didn't feel any different in the hand at all though. I'd leave them in if it made the bow more stable. There's no way I can afford a lower level flagship bow right now. So, a carbon fiber bow, is definitely, out of the question.
You can see it clear as day when you reach full draw the number peaks out. It’s not the vibration of the shot. 13.62 hitting the back wall then 13.62 then 11.92 at the shot. For the first arrow. That test needs to be revamped.
I’ve been watching all your bow review videos and I like the way you break everything down. As far as the vibration test, it’s really measuring hand shock, right? The number you are getting is the highest number it registers, but isn’t necessarily telling you how quickly it dissipates. So even though a bow has a higher number, it could possibly dissipate quicker than others and have less overall vibration.
Your testing vibrations at the sight not the hand that’s where you went wrong the dampeners aren’t designed to ”reduce” overall vibrations but more about where they are felt
Got myself the Hoyt matrix in 2010 and have not seen another bow that looks so good and shoots any better. 35 inches ata , this is my 3D bow and is very comfortable in the hand and has a nice wooden handle that never feels cold in in the winter
Higher ATA increases stability, but usually means slower speeds and shorter brace height increases speed, but lowers forgiveness. 33" bows have become a sweet spot for manufacturer's in bow efficiency. This was Bowtech doing so with their Carbon One platform.
@@sheyanderson4371Yeah I’m aware of the effects of bow specs, it was a rhetorical question. They took a 30” bow and bolted on some aluminum to make it 33”. And it weighs almost 5 pounds? 😂 This bow is trash and that’s coming from a guy who has shot and owned many Bowtechs since 2003. Huge fail
@@PoeOutdoors I don’t think they should’ve bothered with a carbon bow, as I don’t believe any carbon bows are worth it, but the market asks for it. It may be heavier, but it’s $100+ cheaper, performs equally, and has more features than any other comparable carbon bow on the market. I wouldn’t buy one, but it has its place for customers that give more thought to their carbon bow purchase than
Vibration test is registering the max vibe which on some bows is the hump in the draw cycle right before the valley…while watching during the shot we get a clear view of the vibe at the shot and it was less than the draw cycle on most of your vibe tests…is there a mode that displays the final jump in vibration rather than just registering all vibrations and returning the max value?
I know the vibration test is done same on each bow, but wonder when the high reading happens. Is it during the draw and hit the wall or during the release. The bow is a “tuning fork”, adding mass that doesn’t have much ability to absorb vibration isn’t going to cut it. Now questions: 1200 felt vibration is equal to? Best way to cut vibration and what options we have? Heavier arrow, monkey tails, rubber covered stabilizer? Phase 4 vibration reading, since it’s what a lot of people are shooting?
I love these videos and appreciate everything you are doing to help out the average archer. The more information the better. The only thing I don't like is that all these reviews make me want to buy a new bow!😂
To me this is basically last years carbon one. I really dont see much of a change in this years edition other than a longer ata. I was really hoping that this years carbon one x bow would have improved vastly over last years inaugural carbon flagship launch. Especially considering the tune abilities and flip disc technology that bowtech is known for. I cant wait to see what the other companies put out in their carbon line ups
The increase in the number of vibrations may correspond to a lower amplitude, can not just look at the number of the machine, the real feel needs to be expressed
Well, some manufacturers put a lot of research trying to make the bow dead in hand. Mathews has split limbs with rubber insertions, monkey tails and dampeners... If you can measure vibration and compare results in equal field you'll get rid off the marketing bullshit and chose based in other things, given the lack of vivration is similar. I doubt they sell much spare dampeners after this test...
And the weight test, and the reflex test. He got in shit a few years ago for being to tough on Bowtech. Now he is ridiculously over the top to nice to them. He tried to put a positive spin on the fact it weighs a lot and is not light which destroys the point of buying a carbon bow in the first place, he doesn’t talk anymore about that horrible draw cycle in performance which is why most shoot it in comfort and he knows it will be 16-20 FPS slower then it’s IBO rating if tested in comfort so he avoids testing it comfort now. It had lots of vibration and he tried to even spin that positively by saying it was just barely more than the others. It’s a pattern now with him, a few years ago the SR350 was shooting 18 FPS slow and in the redo test he tightened the limb bolts so it was at 72 pounds then tested it to make it look better. He never let the other bows test at 72 pounds. He softens the blow to Bowtech because if he told the truth they might not let him be a dealer. He always asked people to comment but he will never reply to anyone.