A properly sized firearm is key to an optimal shooting experience. Randy Boyd shows how to measure length of pull so that you can order a custom stock designed just for you.
Everytime I get home late and tell my wife where I've been, the darn measurement changes! Seriously, this was a great video and thank you for your excellent explanation and great presentation style. Well done!
Well he says where it touches and then he marks where the tip of his nose stopped, so if this is the best explanation out there, I should just wing it.
I did this technique on three different rifles and got the same result: LOP = 16.5". Which explains why no rifles ever fit me without adding spacers of my own. Interestingly, the old timey wisdom of measuring from elbow crook to tip of trigger finger is also 16.5" on me. Thanks for the video.
Randy John, it depends on the rifle in question. Below is what I've done for those that I have bothered with. I don't hunt much and I'm down to two such rigs: a Kimber 22 and an old Win model 70. I started with scrap blocks of 8/4 soft maple inserted between the stock and the butt plate. Longer screws/bolts are of course needed. I shaped them (rasps, files, sandpaper) to flow with the stock. A bit of brown stain makes them not stand out too much. These are tools and I don't much care what they look like but I do want them to fit well. For an m4/ar15 carbine, any typical adjustable stock at full extension is fine. I have an m16a4 civilian near clone and its fixed length a2 buttstock - much maligned by actual Marines as too long - works fine for me. I don't wear body armor and I don't pretend that I'll ever have the need to clear rooms. Plus guys with our LOPs are considerably taller than average. The only other rifle I adjust is a big-dollar precision rifle with a big-dollar Manners stock with adjustable length and cheek rise. This gets fired prone 95% of the time and adjustments were just made until I liked them. I've never measured it. Everything else I just use as is.
Thanks! I too have an m4 carbine and the adjustable stock. Now, my build is a Remington 700 sps tactical with the 20in bull barrel. The hogue stock is terrible.can you post the website for precision rig plz.
I do not have photos of the rifle's butt end. However, a search like "mcmillan stock adjustable length of pull" will bring up professional photos of the system. It's just a collection of shim pieces to add and remove. My stock is actually from Manners, but it's the same idea as McMillan uses. McMillan is a much larger manufacturer so there are more pics for them. That should get you going with search terms and links.
I can not wait until next year. I am buying a Boyd for my 50th birthday to go on my birthday gift I am also buying Remmington 700 6.5creed...... Boyds Featherweight Thumbhole is going to loooook so sweet. Thanks Boyds for making such a great product cant wait to hold it 😍
We absolutely love that you are choosing Boyds' for your mile marker gift. Happy early birthday! We can't wait to build your stock for you. Thank for your business!
I actually called Boyd's back in 2005 and asked if getting a LOP longer than their regular 13" was possible; unfortunately it was not at that time. It's great to see it is now an option. had to use an extended butt piece to give me the 14.5" I had become accustomed to.
Very useful video. My LOP is fine on my Model 700 when wearing street clothes but most of my hunting in Montana involves very bulky winter clothing which really messes with my LOP and sight picture. Looking at getting the butt cut down to fit my real hunting conditions.
6'8", been hunting with the same rifle since I was 12 (I'm 30 now). I've adapted cuz I haven't thought about it, but, missed easy shots the last 2 years because I have to get in weird positions. Time to make a change!
Great video and educational! I find most people just shrug their shoulders when I ask them how their stock fits them. (Also, very soothing voice. -No homo)
If I have a big nose and take a measurement and a person who has an identical build and arm length as me but has a shorter, flatter nose, this method would determine a vastly different length of pull for identically built people. The length of pull could change as much as 3/4 of an inch or more depending on the size of two individual’s noses. What am I missing?
This is great information. For some reason, the geniuses over at Mossberg believe when it comes to LOP on the 930 tactical, one size fits all. Let me tell you Mossberg it doesn't. Plus there are NO aftermarket stocks that offer LOP adjustment and cheek risers for this gun. I don't know, but it seems important on my other firearms so why wouldn't it be important on my 930 autoloader? They offer tons of adjustable stocks for every other shotgun, but not the 930 which is my favorite shotty. I'm going to look into a custom stock.
Randy, Hello i have a marlin 336. Racking the lever throws my point of aim off because i have to cant the gun to complete level action,so second shots are really slow. How do you fit the butt or cast on a lever action?
I don't quite understand and I don't care who picks on me for asking because asking and asking and asking is wise and what got me through school but let me get this right. If my nose mark is in front I add that difference between the marks and if it's behind that mark I subtract the difference to get the length I need?
@@jeremygibson228 Sounds good! For anyone else wondering, if your nose mark is in front of the first mark, add the difference to 13 3/4". If it is behind the mark, subtract the difference from 13 3/4".
Ok so if i understand this correctly, my stock was 13 3/4" but i had an extra 1/4 to add so i guess that means my stock is a touch too short and i need a 14" L.O.P. stock.
Can’t be using blaser rifles for a demo and not make blaser stocks ! In all seriousness love your products! Please start making stocks for the blaser r93
Consideration to your clothing thickness. A less precise but informative measurement is position and site, then bring arm with gun outward to a 90* angle bend at the elbow. Ideal is to have 0.5" space between butt and upper arm at the elbow. More than 0.5 ? Lop is too short, you need longer stock.
Myth Busters T. V show, busted the myth that a bullets path cannot be altered by movement of rifle, as they put a rifle in a moving mechanism that held and fired the rifle in motion. But the rifle shot straight through several paper walls at different ranges, without changing the straight path of bullet. My question is how does this corralate to the way rifle butt stock pitch causes a bullet to strike high or low?
Boys stocks are excellent, I love them, their style, functionality, but I wish they were lighter, since they are made out of wood, they tend to be heavy, other than that they are awesome!
I used to hold my rifle like you till I took my pal.. firearm course. And was taught to do it allot different. 45 your legs to target square up the rest of your body. So I'm guessing that will affect lop.
Every gun I tried this on the distance from the center of the trigger to my nose was between 6.75" and 8". So by this method I would shorten my stocks... The problem I's I'm 6'4" and they all feel to short as is. Even when I try this method on my mossberg plinkster .22LR the distance from the center of the trigger to my nose is 7.25" so I would have to shorten the 14.5" LoP to 13"
With my Bettinsoli 12g shotgun, the tip of the top lever is in the same vertical plane as the finger rest on the trigger i.e. where you would measure the 5 3/4 " from. Is this a coincidence or a handy short cut for most o/u shotguns?
As a women I don't have a problem with ar15s or my pump-action shotguns buuut I really wanna buy over/under shotgun, though they tend to be big for me and I can't trust anyone in my country to help me fit the gun properly and shorten the stock :(
Smaller gun, absolutely. I have never found it funny OR helpful to kids to immediately put the .308 in their hands and watch them hurt themselves, and possibly the gun. cheers
Thank you for the explanation. Just want to know in the configuration page of Boyd's, if you choose, let's say a 13 3/4 length of pull stock, then you have to add in the order the recoil pad. Let's say 1/2 pad., the question is: the final result of length would be 14 1/4" right? In this case, you have to consider as an extra the pad for the total length?
No, if the total LOP is going to be 13 3/4" then you subtract the 1/2" pad from that. So the stock would then be 13 1/4" for a total of 13 3/4" with the pad.
I followed these instructions three time and came up with only a 11 5/8 stock from trigger to but end. But, I'm 5-10 with 26 inch arm length - Does that sound right? Also, of the 63% what percentage were under the standard 13.5?
@@boydsgunstocks no I meant why is the default advice (confused w ‘stock’ advice) to measure 5 3/4 inches back from the trigger, is that like some kind of established measurement? Btw what are the implications of this for bullpup?
@@ChiquitaSpeaks Correct, it's an established rule of thumb that 5 3/4" is the optimum distance from the center curve of trigger, that you nose should hit for clear scope acquisition for a clear field of view. If you mark this spot and your nose comes up in front of the mark you then add this distance to your measured length of pull from center of the trigger curve to the back of the recoil pad. If your nose is behind the line then you subtract this distance from your measured LOP. Since we do not make a stock for a bull pup we would not be able to advise on this.
The gun will not fit you properly if you have the wrong length of pull. "Meaning how comfortable the gun feels to you and how accurate you can shoot it. With the correct length of pull, you will have quick sight acquisition, better control, better accuracy, and feel more comfortable." It may cause the shooter to be too close or too far away from the scope to correctly view through it.
Boyds Gun Stocks: I've purchased a few Boyds gun stocks for my Ruger 10/22's which fit great but when I ordered the stock for my Remington 700 the stock is too long for me, I have to stretch my neck forward to be able to see through the Scope correctly. Can you give me an idea how to cut down the stock if that's possible or would I be able to send the stock to you guys & have it done? It's a featherweight thumbhole, I don't recall having the option for different lengths of pull, it's been a couple of years since I bought it, but haven't been able to use it for that reason. Thanks
Length of Pull would have needed to be changed when you ordered. The option to change LOP is available on our website, at the very bottom page when selecting options for wood, laser, etc. To correct this, you would need to take it in to a local gunsmith to adjust the LOP. We cannot bring the stock back to correct it. We apologize for the inconvenience.
Can a proper LOP be different for different rifles on the same shooter? I did this test with two different rifles- one has a Monte Carlo style stock, the other was an AR15. In both cases, marked off 5.75" from the trigger as per video and shouldered the rifle. On the Monte Carlo, I ended up being right on, so apparently I am one of the 38% that fits a standard 13.75" LOP. On the AR however, I landed 1.5" behind the mark. This was with the stock fully extended, which gives about a 13" LOP. But according to the video, if I'm behind the mark 1.5", I should shorten the LOP 1.5". Doing that on a 6 position AR stock means collapsing it several notches. And it just doesn't feel right. When I first got an AR, I just assumed I'd use it fully extended, because I'm 6'4" (though most of that is in the lower half) and so that's what I've always done. It feels doable if I shorten it one, maybe two notches, but shorter than that just doesn't feel right. So this leaves me with two question- why on the Monte Carlo stock does this test say I should be in a 13.75" LOP, while the same test on the AR suggests an 11.5" LOP? A second, why does what this test says should be a proper LOP feel so wrong on the AR?
Like your vid, Kinda wish it would answer questions, would it be worth it to fit an inexpensive entry level shotgun and train with that so I dont get into bad habits if and when I get the more expensive guns..
Ok, just got my feet wet with sporting clays. I want to get a base level shotgun (something on the level of a Moss 500/Rem 870) just to practice technique and work on mounting the gun and work on stance. Would something like this be worth to get it pro fitted before I move onto the more expensive guns out there? Not looking to get into Pro Competition or league shooting, more of a Recreational shooter.
You didn't mark where your nose TOUCHED the comb though. You marked where the tip of your nose was, which is a good quarter to half inch further. Wording matters. So which one is it? Where it touches or where the tip of the nose stops?🤷 I'm an extremely detailed oriented and meticulous person and we're literally talking about precision custom measurements here that cost extra. I watched that portion like 5 times over. He marks for the tip. So... I'm 6' even with long arms, long neck, long nose and I'm supposed to subtract an inch from a factory 13" length of pull??? POPYCOCK! This doesn't make a lick of sense or check out and I performed it precisely as instructed multiple times.🤦 Doesn't specify what I already stated nor take into account different lengths of features on people, both of which would throw this whole method off while having zero effect on the actual person's length of pull. What a crock!
Does this work with all rifles, and shotguns? I'm kinda new to the rifle stuff lol.. I am having most issues with my ak47.. I have the Zhukov adjustable stock but I can't figure out where I like it best.. I feel like when I have it collapsed all the way I can't hold it tighter to my body and control recoil a little better but feels more comfortable when I have it opened up all the way
This is just a guide line for most people. There are a number of variables that will affect accurately measuring the length of pull. Such as: Length of neck How puffy your cheeks are Size of your upper body Thickness of clothing in various seasons If you have a firearm that fits currently and are not leaning in or leaning back to see a full field of view in your scope, you can measure from the center of the trigger to the end of the buttpad, this would give you a relatively accurate length of pull.
Can’t conceal carry with a tight fitting shirt, next time you see a person with a baggy shirt and his pants aren’t halfway down around his ass, he’s probably conceal carrying.
Yes, this would give you the Length of Pull for AR-15's. At this time, we do not offer different lengths of pull on our AR-15 stock or any two piece stock set.
As a trained gunfitter, this is wrong in so many ways. What he is explaining is for a rifle, not a proper fit for a fowling piece. Many factors go into proper fit. There is no one formula for this as he is describing. The gun comes to the cheek, not the cheek to the gun. Width of shoulders, length of the neck, the height of one's cheekbones all have to be taken into account. PLEASE, GO TO A PROPPERLY TRAINED FITTER, NOT SOMEONE DRUMMING UP THEIR OWN PRODUCTS.
This is just a guide line for most people. There are a number of variables that will affect accurately measuring the length of pull. Such as: Length of neck How puffy your cheeks are Size of your upper body Thickness of clothing in various seasons If you have a firearm that fits currently and are not leaning in or leaning back to see a full field of view in your scope, you can measure from the center of the trigger to the end of the buttpad, this would give you a relatively accurate length of pull.
Yes, we measure the overall Length of Pull based on the pad ordered. With 1/2" pads, the stock is cut a half inch short. With 1" pads, the stock is cut 1" shorter.