I found a work around for the 600W solar input. I went to their website and currently the charge time for solar for a battery at 80% is 5.5 hours. However wall charging is only a little over 1 hour, so direct hook up of a 2,000 watt invertor to solar panels would allow you to use the wall charger to charge it quickly.
I was thinking the same thing cuz I wanted to hook a EG4-LL Lithium Battery (V2) | 48V 100AH | Server Rack Battery to it. Instead of that I could just buy a EG4 6K Off-Grid Split Phase Inverter | 6000EX-48HV for $1200 and do way more than this unit for less money. 48v battery $1600, EG4 inverter/charger $1300. Total $2895...more power (240v) 20 times more solar input and a way bigger battery.
YES!! .... 600 watts is hardly anything. It's ok if its meant to be used to van life, but I'd like something for my house. I d[don't care about the weight OR the size, I just want something that I can add another circuit in my house that is 100% solar. This will take away from my electrical use from my MONEY HUNGRY electrical company. I really like the solid state technology but they need to dramatically UP the solar input! This is NOT for me..... YET!
Sounds amazing. So many new options on the horizon. Bluetti and the legacy contenders are going to have to step on the gas to stay ahead of the game. Things are changing so fast. Makes you want to hold out to see what's next before purchasing LoL 😂.
Definitely. A lot of companies aren't innovating, they're just reboxing the same thing. Yoshino seems to be trying to make something new and of their own design.
@@minutemanprep can a small generator(gas) be hooked up to a battery charger, to charge battery bank, hooked to invertor and not use a charge controller? Just trying to be able to run a small chest freezer and 5k btu AC, some hours, during hot weather. Thanks in advance😎☕
Thank you for asking about the solar input. A lot of us out here want at least 1200 to 1600 watts of input so we can keep our batteries charged up. If Yoshino can get the solar input up to at least 1200 per battery, you will make a killing in the market. Nice battery. I think I will buy one of these and use it in my little pull behind sleeper. I have a shower that I need to heat up my water and a mini electric stovetop that I use to cook my meals. For now, the 600 watt solar input would be more than sufficient for the amount of power I use. Great interview.
600w is way too low. 1200 on the bare minimum. I still would like to see at minimum 2000w in the main unit, then 1200 on each expansion battery. That'd be incredible. It would fulfill a lot of demand.
Fantastic walk thru. Love the solid state. Wanting to hear more detail from you on how diy folks can tie these into their existing panel and where the limitations are.
Thanks for this. High enough wattage to run central ac and a dryer with 120/240 capability, solar input over 1200 watts, quick ac charging, and unlimited battery storage are what I'm looking for. As many DC and AC inputs as possible for expanding with multiple battery types and other systems would be good too. I have an AC 200 Max with 2 B-230s and realized that in the winter I really need more solar and more battery capacity. I can expand it with 2 more DC or AC to DC chargers and other batteries on their own system feeding the DC chargers, but it would be nice just to keep adding batteries. I don't know anything about solid state batteries, but this is interesting.
Solid state NMC with 4K inverter is a brilliant solution for providing AC power on a smallish sail or powerboats. Safe, lightweight, expandable! I will move my 3.5Kw lithium power station from the boat to the house for power backup and purchase the Yoshino with an extra battery pack for my boat. Thanks for bringing attention to this new product :))
A simple way to connect standard solar connectors would be nice. A Breakout Cable would do. And yes more solar input capacity. You covered all that in the video though. This was great, hope these are available soon as I can't seem to find them anywhere even on their website.
That’s pretty amazing, technology their coming out with, I think you speak for all of us though, must have 240 , and more solar input. Great job Mr Ben… keep up the good work sir !!
Yes, more solar input. For example, I use a Delta 2 to power my home office, the max solar input is 500 watts D/C input. It would never fully recharge if I'm drawing 200-300 watts per hour during daylight hours? I decided to add additional LifePo4 batteries, an inverter, and Panels and recharge the Delta 2 via the A/C input @ 1200 watts max. Sadly, the only inputs and outputs on the Delta 2 external battery can only draw or recharge via a Delta 2.
Like the review.... I like this configuration and newer model with larger mppt..... I like having parallel units identical hooked up to 2 350w panels on RV that way you can take care of shading issues and have redundancy if one unit fails.... Or hail storm takes out few panels.....
Great video, I like the idea of solid state and I am concerned about the lithium market so this would be a nice product. The low weight would be icing.
Have people check their electric bills. If they're trying to be efficient, they might use 20kWh/day. Standard users will be in the 30kWh/day range. In an off-grid or grid-down situation, people will try to be (or must be out of necessity) really conservative and hopefully only use around 10kWh/day. Solar for only five peak hours/day means the unit needs to accept 2kW of power from the array. (Yes, I do realize some power is still generated outside of peak hours.) The bulk of the energy should be used when the sun is shining, but the battery should have a large enough capacity to hold sufficient energy for overnight.
For sure that'd be awesome. Whenever you're ready for a system, please reach out to me at info@poweredportablesolar.com so we can find the best system for your needs and save you a bunch of money.
Thank you for doing this. I do not understand all the jargon, but I can tell you I want to run ac, well pump, freezer, refrig, furnace fan. As a back up if or when the grid goes out, and if I sell my house, I want to be able to take the system with me to a new home. How to protect from CME?
I'm 100% with you on all of that. EMP protection is coming for systems like this. If you want to find out what system would work for the things you listed please shoot me an email at info@poweredportablesolar.com and I'd love to work with you on that to get you any special deals.
Need a plug and play 50 amp RV power unit with enough solar input to use 1 AC during day, power refrigerator, and still charge it to last through the night. Totally off grid capable.
Our compound that we live in is completely off grid. So we are interested in Yoshino's tech and generators. But it would have to be at least 5000 watts with a 4000 watt inverter and the ability to take in 2000 watts (at the least) of solar.
@@minutemanprep Yes, we are currently using a Hysolis MPS3K with one expansion battery. It's been powering our entire compound for the last two years. I am a Hysolis affiliate. We will recieve the Apollo in June.
I think 600 watts is good for this package size. What you want and describe should be more of a home base power unit which I think can be a huge market. Tap into the current government rebates and agenda and it would be a huge hit.
This would be very attractive to me if there was 240 volt capability, and it was able to be connected to my home's grid through a 30 (or 50) AMP generator input box, and from there to my electrical box using an interlock breaker.
I want a single solar generator unit that is able to supply 240 volts at at least 30 amps like a traditional generator. If someone comes out with that, I would definitely buy it.
That'd be pretty incredible. That means a single unit would have to have a 7,200w inverter which is larger than any single unit that has ever been made.
I might have missed it, but does it have over paneling protection? Can it be charged at 600w while in use? Can the batteries be charges separately with their own solar panels?
yes exactly, needs 1500W solar input and I would be purchasing it already. 600W changes its possible utility greatly and expandable batteries become pointless with the small solar input.
Very interesting Ben. This could replace the Apollo I'm waiting for you to test it and make sure can be connected to a central panel and power the house.I am off grid. Andrea Verduci
Could you design something like this to have an add on solar MPPT controller so that you could purchase something like this that has 600w of solar input, and then hook another MPPT controller to it and upgrade it to say 2000w? I haven't seen anything like this, but maybe that's something the market should entertain.
More of a Delta Max competitor; slightly more capacity and output, slightly lower solar input, 50% higher price. The solar input for off-grid should consider one or two additional expansion batteries, not just the capacity of the main unit. The expandability means nothing if you can’t charge it.
So NMC chemistry w/o the liquid medium...still uses cobalt which is deal-breaker. And, half the life of LFP. I have to wonder if this would fare better in a puncture test than the Chins battery did, which was just as bad a a regular NMC. Until they provide some solid testing data I consider this the same as the semi-solid state Zendure SuperBase V4600.
I'm wondering about the temperature specs on the battery? Does solid state give the battery better cold weather charging ability? Current NMC and LiFePO4 batteries can't be recharged if their temperature falls below 32F/0C.
For me, no wheels isn't a deal breaker since it's only 55lbs, but wheels could be nice. It's always possible to get an after market cart really easily. But yes, they absolutely need more solar input otherwise no one will be interested.
what I would like to see is a 25 amp output so we can connect dc fuse panel to run dc items, which is a much lower power draw than having to use the ac plugs. I currently use my Lion energy to do so in my Sprinter, run some things on dc and some things on ac. I'd like to se an expansion battery, I checked the website and did not see one for this unit, ????
I have anxiously been awaiting Solid state technology to get up to speed. This said, I only see two real advantage to this application at this time. Given the relationship of price to weight/size . 1) is for E-Cars ,if this can be perfected would be a came changer. Why Toyota partnered with a company working on sold state for many years. 2nd reason is for the RV or overlanding, lighter, smaller and slightly less cost makes sense in lieu of longer life. However, for the homestead where size and weight is far less important in most situations. I do not see enough of a cost savings vs lifopho and it's longer life (significantly more recycles). Now if the cost savings was greater, I would be looking to order tomorrow for the off the grid home. Also the issue of less charge capacity via solar is significant. I did not catch if these can also be C charged by AC via generator and solar simultaneously which is also important in many situations. I should add, if the cost savings was greater then they are currently, I would seriously consider these even with less capacity to charge and give or take a 1000 less cycles vs current lifopho. Anyone disagree or have some additional points to consider I would love to hear your thoughts. The future is bright! no pun intended.
I did. I've done some tests on it and it appears to be working better, but not out of the woods yet. The app is still lacking, the stock is still not there, and there are many changes that I have to test still. Still not a green light for me.
it amazes me that these companies dont know that people want to actually be able to charge them instead of just using them for a couple hours.. many of us would not at all care if they were larger but much more useful
I have the EcoFlow Delta Pro (w/1 extra battery, and each has 3600WH of storage), so you'd need 2 of the Yoshino for 4,000WH, which would be 100 lbs for 400 more WH. I got the pro and battery through Kickstarter when they first came out, and I paid $3898 for both. The Pro also accepts up to 1600 watts of solar (I have 1280) , but all that being said, I could see getting one of these for my Bronco and Tag XL Boondock (I have 3 ea 200 watt portable folding briefcase panels). Waiting to see what Prowse thinks of it, although you seem on par with Will in the knowledge dept!
The Apollo should be incredible for sure. I will have a special offer for them when they're ready. If you shoot me an email to info@poweredportablesolar.com I can let you know when they're ready. There will be very limited stock when they are ready to launch. The list of people ready to buy is already getting quite large.
600 watts pv input is very weak. And way I er priced. I definitely like my Bluetti ACP 200 much better. 700 watts input which I don't really like. But it's less than half the price of that unit. Thanks for the video..... Jeff
*Split phasable to 240 Volts AC. 2. Each SSB be 6 KW's with lots of 120 Volt AC 20 AMP rated sockets on it. 3. Full DC array of output sockets. 2 x 12 Volt DC Car sockets @ 15 Amps. USB-C with Power Delivery 3.1 (150 Watts) x 4. USB-A x 2 @ Quick Charge 4.0 Specification please. 4. Each SSB has Dual Channel Solar MPPT Input rated at 1200 Watts on (EACH) channel. 5. Unlimited External Battery expandability !!!. 6. 7. Special measures to facilitate small footprint and portability (Including added wheels with motor drive)*
@@markjob6354 Thank you for watching, it means a lot. I want to bring a lot of content. I am working a ton right now to bring out as much content as I can. Anything else you'd like to see on the channel?
@@minutemanprep Are you in a technical/logistical position to demonstrate and test a series of popular "aux courrant" solar generators running as complete house backups ? I would really like to see two Delta Pros with two 3 KW external batteries each split phase running your home, plus two Buetti AC 300's and 500's with extra batts running your home, and two of these 4KW or the new 6KW solid state gennys running your home. I want to see some endurance testing.
@@markjob6354 That's great to know. I am working on doing more videos like that. I have done that a few times with the Delta Pro and it has worked out great. As long as I have sun and I'm being a bit mindful of my power usage, the Dual Delta Pro system works well. I have a dual fuel gas generator from ecoflow coming soon and I was going to do another house running test once that got here since it's very appropriate to have to use a gas generator as a backup to solar generators during the winter months. I have two AC500+B300S units but that's only 6,000wh of battery so I haven't done the house test with that because I need at least 12,000wh of battery. Since I have to buy most of my own equipment for testing and reviews I have to save up for those extra batteries. I have one Mango Power E here and in 6 weeks will have another one. I don't really care for that unit as much, there are a ton of issues and quality concerns but once I have my second one and expansion batteries I'll test that one running my house too. I'm glad to hear we're on the same page. I want to do more whole house backup videos and that'll be easier in a couple of months when I have more equipment.
OMG glaringly massive miss on the solar input. This would have been my "go to", if not for that. Sadly I will keep "rolling my own" because nothing is actually everything I want. Someday I hope to quit making my own systems it would be nice to pick up a "pre-rolled" and save myself hours.
Good thing you walked the VP Products and Marketing through his sales pitch. Don't know if that guy should be their VP Products and Marketing guy. You pretty much showed him how to do his job. By the way, on the second half of the video, did you just teach him what people are looking for and what they need from their products so people would be interested in?
