Time Stamps: I Know This Is Long, Skip Around As You Please! 0:00 - 1:10 - How It Felt When The News Broke 1:10 - 2:22 - An Analogy For How Fast They Fell After The Articles Began Surfacing 2:22 - 6:11 - Formation, Getting Signed, And Releasing Your Favorite Weapon 6:11 - 8:56 - Deja Entendu Era 8:56 - 10:35 - The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me Era 10:35 - 11:33 - Releasing Daisy 11:33 - 12:30 - Science Fiction And Their Inevitable End 12:30 - 14:47 - The End Begins 14:47 - 15:25 - What Now? / Closing Thoughts
@@jamesgreen6528 daisy is the most musically mature album in their discography. Just because you dont like the sound doesnt change that it's instrumentally the strongest album in the catalogue. If we're going subjectively, though, it's my least favorite, too. Haha
I actually listened to Brand New to cope with being sexually abused throughout my childhood. Somehow, when the news broke, I felt nothing. No devastation, no tears. Like I had sympathy for the victims, but the music felt no different to me. I don't know how or why, but that's just how it went down for me.
Woah dude me too that's freaking nuts yeah I kinda see it the same way but idk it kinda bothers me because I want to know the reason or the whole story of what these allegations are and I can't seem to find it anywhere but still yeah musically they kick ass
same here.. this band helped me through the toughest period of my life, growing up and stuff... I grew up with their music, their amazing records, and songs... I feel for the victims as well, but what Jessie did, does not reprise who brand new is and what their music is about... their music is out of this world, I swear.. nobody can top the approach, the mystical approach Brand New did.
I will never understand the whole “feeling betrayed” feeling. Name me one time Jesse has claimed a moral high ground. Everyone who feels like they’ve been betrayed, remember, YOU put Jesse in a position where you thought he should’ve been better. He has never done that. In fact, what makes this case so different and what makes the fans outrage so unjustified is precisely that Jesse has never pretended like he was someone better or someone good even. I remember not even knowing the name of any band member for the first years I’ve listened to them. They don’t put themselves on their artwork, their names aren’t even really highlighted in the booklets. Only after I went out of my way to look them up, did I find out what Jesse looks like. I listened to this man sing about his regrets, his self-hatred, and his inability to move on for years and that’s what I love so much about the music. And then the news break and suddenly everyone’s like “Jesse I thought you were better than this” and feeling betrayed. That’s your own fault. You put him on a pedestal that her never put himself on. He did quite the opposite honestly.
I totally agree. He's always been writing about being a broken man especially in regards to his encounters with women. I never felt betrayed. I felt that I understood his music a lot better because of this announcement.
@@david016rock i disagree. his apology didn't even acknowledge what he was being accused of...instead he just started talking about how he'd cheated on his wife (which nobody had even mentioned or knew about - all of the stuff that had come out was from years ago and before he was with andrea) like way to throw your wife under the bus and embarrass her.
Brand New got me through almost ALL of my tough times. It's almost as if every time I faced a hardship I fell back to them. Blasting their albums at all hours. They were like spiritual guides for me, allowing me to feel how I should. It obviously is terrible what happened, however I'm more than sure hes changed. It was well over 10 years after the events happened that it all came out. He was in his early 20s, when it broke he was in his mid 30s. Anecdotally, I'm 26 and I'm not even close to who I was when I was 20. Every aspect of my life is entirely different- for the better. Tack on 10 more years to that. Theres alot of room for change, then imagine being THAT drastically different. Gaining a wife. Kid. Family. Stability and becoming established. Finally settling down knowing all your efforts have paid off.......then losing it ALL because of something that happened literally 40% of your life ago. It amazes me. I still love them. Always will.
Yeah it’s really sad how quickly people will condemn someone now a days. Damn, if I was judged on my darkest moments, I’d be hated too. We learn, grow and change throughout our lives.
😂🤣😂🤣😂 omg, I felt that in my soul lmao ahhhhh that's hilarious 😂 thanks pal I'm gonna be laughing about this comment for weeks now lmao straight up made my day
@@Agrith Funny thing is, YOU are actually the thin skinned crybaby..... can'r take someone else's viewpoint.... and cry like a bitch. You can purchase and listen to what you wish.... if anything, I prefer you basement dwellers to be vocal about your interests... We live in a free country.....I just disassociate from people I dislike. Do what you want little incel, YOU are the one that has to live a ahit, lonely life. Not me.
@@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence No because they are a fan of good music and not trying to project their bloated feelings of self superiority on the internet
@@canadiandrumer Hey....one more thing. Why would I want to project my feelings of self superiority on the internet? Then I run the risk of transfering some of my superiority on to you..... which you can't handle.
The Taking Back Sunday drama was extremely exaggerated. Yeah, John Nolan and Jessie got into a fight over a girl, but here's how it happened; Jessie liked a girl. John made out with her at a party they were both at. (He didn't sleep with her.) and Jessie got mad and both artists wrote songs about it. John and Jessie made up shortly after and John even helped out on some of Your Favorite Weapon.
As stupid as it is now, when I was in high school I refused to listen to brand new because of the “beef” between brand new and taking back Sunday... so much time wasted not listening to brand new.
@exodus K that does not detract from what I gain from their music. The issues were aired long after I had established so much within those songs. I don't waver in my stance. You love art by terrible people. Its almost undeniable. You might never know either as it may not be exposed. Your love of the creation doesnt bound you to the unforgivable
@@pbdparkbiz602 it's an interesting thing, art comes at a cost sometimes. Would Vincent Van Gogh or Kurt Cobain even Robin Williams how much of their art is born from real life problems. There's an argument to be made that some art is purest from troubled people or horrific people because that's where you have to take it to get all that back.
I'm 33 now, and went to high school in the early 2000s. My friends and I were into the "pop punk" scene... Blink 182, Good Charlotte, Taking Back Sunday, New Found Glory; the typical emo stuff. I really loved these bands... but I just can't listen to them now. The songs about breakups and fights with friends seem so childish now that I'm a grown husband and father. But Brand New is a different story. Deja Entendu felt like it opened my eyes to the weight of the world, and helped me mature. The songs had a weight and meaning that I just couldn't find on Dookie. They literally changed me. Fast forward a few years to 2007 and I'm now living alone and uncertain about my future. I listened to The Devil and God... and again, I felt like it changed me as a person. I had never heard music about the personal relationship with God, and faith, that affected me so much. The pain and grief that comes with living separated from God, being a man of this fallen world, and dealing with travesties and tragedies. I can genuinely say it sparked a rejuvenation in my faith in Christ that I maintain to this day (and always will). I know very little about the artists and their personal lives. All I know is, Brand New created two albums that helped me mature and grow into the man I am today. For that, I will always be thankful.
Awesome story as to how Brand New's music has influenced you. I love Brand New and can say that they are my favourite band. I have enjoyed every album. Science Fiction being my favorite closely followed by The Devil and God are Raging Inside Me.
Brandon Haines Brandon the kinda dude to get 100% onboard with Cancel Culture while also wearing Nikes, watching this video on an iPhone, and mindlessly buying other consumer products with actual bodies on their track-records.
@@TheBrandonn Fans are the most idiotic people on this planet. They'll defend anything. Jesse could have murdered 10,000 people and people would still defend him
Wanna make all of your worst mistakes public knowledge and see how the world views you? It's hard to come back from your reputation being dragged in the dirt. Not even worth stating your version of the events, when everyone already has a bitter taste in their mouth... Just something to consider, man.
Science Fiction is one of the best albums ever written. Nothing will change that. Just like Louis CK, Jessie's allegations were known by fans well before 2017; I went into this album knowing that. I believe Science Fiction is a reflection of Jessie's guilty conscience. Like a not-so-subtle Freudian slip, planted within nearly every lyric (e.g. "Lit Me Up" & "It Could Never Be Heaven"). It is--by far--the band's darkest, most honest record, which makes it a macabre masterpiece.
As a victim of abuse myself, Brand New, specifically Jesse's writing, has gotten me through some of the toughest times of my life. Even now as a grown man I'll still go back to Deja, and The Devil, and God when I'm feeling down. Not many bands can harness the emotion and somehow put it into lyrics. I don't care what Jesse did or didn't do, but I do know this band may have saved my life a few times. So glad I got to see them live.
I remember when the news was out and Brand New crumbled. Everyone was shocked and appalled at what Jesse was accused of. I remember reading his statement and analyzing every bit of it. Not many saw it as a fit apology, and I understand why, yet at the same time I could see what he was trying to convey. Nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes big or small. His words, while not detailing what it was he did, did have a level of sincerity still, but at the time everyone was so shocked and angry that it didnt matter. I was more in defense at the time, and I still am. One cant change their past actions, nobody can. But he sought help after realizing his actions hurt not only those he directly affected, but those around him. He didnt ask for forgiveness, but rather stated that he needed to earn it. Now do I still listen to them? Hell yeah I do. Do I separate the artist from the art? Its impossible for me, especially after going back through the catalog for a deep listen. I knew going in that some clues were ringing with lyrics, and surely enough if you listen you can find them. The alleged incident occured roughly around the time of Deja Entendu, and notably on that record and further were a lot of cues with his writing that spoke on the issue without directly addressing it, as well the hurt and regret of his actions following. You can hear and feel it coming through, it comes from a dark place. Thats what has kept me from holding a resentment against him or the music. Brand New has had a strong impact on my life, especially at times when I've been too close to the ledge. Whatever truly happened in his past is in the past and cannot be changed, and I will never deny that it happened. I just know that as much of a crushing note it was that ended them, I will always love the art created and will continue to listen to it and inspire me in my own art. Fight off your demons.
So you don't hold any resentment because of the songs that came out of it? That's vile. It's not art, it's generic pop-rock. Also your whole essay is a testament to cognitive dissonance. google it.
Yeah, some of those lyrics made me think he was in this kind of battle. Often, when I listened, I would pray about it. I hope he's genuinely changed now because the allegations are really a let down. And I have to believe his music at least was written from a genuine place.
Literally came to the comments to say this. I volunteer at an animal rehabilitation center and we get tons of ducks every year that get bread lodged in their throats. I know people don't mean to harm them, but they do accidentally. Spread the word!
Frankie Rollins aw man now every time I see a cute scene of an old lady feeding the ducks I’m gonna feel like a scorpion just stung me and robbed me of the moment Cuz she’s actually an evil demon who gets off on kill helpless animals!😵
Blown well out of proportion. People acting like he killed someone or something. I still listen to them as regularly as I ever did. They didn't need to nuke their career over this.
I thought "me v maradona v Elvis" was a character writing exercise not autobiographical and now I'm uncomfortable listening to them. I don't think that's "blown out of proportion" and I think it's how most brand new fans felt.
@@FrecklesOpenMic "Most" is another overstatement. Yes there is a faction of people who disowned the band over this nonsense but it seems the majority actually didn't. Everybody I know who listened to them before still does.
Snozz Faulkenberry It’s crazy how he missed the entire TBS feud. Remember when Brand New and TBS played Seventy Times Seven and There Is No I in Team together? They’re two sides of the same coin about the same issue.
I love them despite the controversy. This isn't a new story when it comes to the "tortured artist." In my experience, artists are at least as flawed as any other human. Listening to his lyrics makes that point extremely clear I think. When I look back at all my own actions throughout my life and those of the people I've known and loved, I have to understand nobody is only as good as their worst moments. People are far too complex and have so much more to them than just their mistakes.
@@asakukarma Not trying to defend him but people need to stop throwing that around incorrectly. Pedofiles like prebubescent children. And "pedo" technically means child, so
Right? like lyrically, i wasn't really surprised to hear the allegations. And honestly, his behavior was how most guys acted in the dating scene during that time. I think a huge part of it was the growth from technological advancements. Men slowly discovering horniness and the ease with technology and now the repercussions. And all young guys rarely realize the damage they're doing to young girls. And young girls never realize how young they were until they're older and wonder why they let some guy get away with treating them like trash for so long. *shrugs* People on all fronts just have to improve, hopefully the next few generations will be admirable. Brand New is still painfully beautiful, and should still be respected.
Was listening to them when I was 14, now going on 26 and still am. Their music got me through so many hardships throughout high school, TDAG practically saved my life even. I never thought of Jesse Lacey as sweet or kind, so when the news broke about the whole thing, I wasn’t completely shocked. It was still very disappointing though. I do believe that people can change, but that doesn’t rid them of the consequences of their actions at the end of the day. Despite all of those things, I still listen to Brand New consistently and would be thrilled if they ever came back with another album!
When I was getting into Brand New was within the months before the allegations. I remember the day the article came out and everything was a mess and I never knew who to talk about it with. In my experience, I was able to separate the art from the artist but it was mostly due to the fact that my connection with Brand New was still fresh and this band wasn’t just Jesse Lacey. These days I still listen to them, but there’s still that feeling deep down of disappointment for lack of a better word. Honestly, thank you for making this, there weren’t many videos that discussed it in an open way and I respect that you took it upon yourself to do just that. It’s nice to see videos that are just different and less aggressive than what many others do these days. So thank you for that :)
1. He can’t apologize for something involved in an investigation. 2. How often do these accusations occur and end up being nothing? Don’t just assume he’s guilty when they’re saying it was 20 years ago. Innocent until proven guilty.
@@jlansdale536 I can't say I disagree! Deja Entendu is pretty close tho. Deja Entendu is easier to get into with a pretty wide variety of themes... but Devil and God is just so POWERFUL. Easily two of my favorite albums.
When I first heard The Quiet Things That No One Ever Knows I thought it was by Morrissey because the radio d.j. only said Morrissey had been played until I found out who it really was.
It took me a while, but I still listen to Brand New. There will never be another band like them in my life, and no one's music speaks to me in the same way theirs does. They've had an impact on my life I can't really explain and Deja Entendu changed the game in so many ways for me. As a super selfish fan in that case, what's always hurt me the most (apart from the betrayal type of feeling) was the fact that I never got closure. I was supposed to see them a few days after the allegations came out, and I entirely knew it was going to be my last time seeing them. Very obviously they cancelled the tour, and my last time seeing them ended up being them as a support band and me missing part of the first song because the guy selling me my ticket turned up late. (I have probably completely idealised what "the last time seeing Brand New live" would be like). And I know we're not entitled to closure from any band, ever, but it still hurts to know I will never have it. I rarely ever admit to any of that because it's so frowned upon by cancel culture to still need something out of the work of an artist who's done something terrible, and it's made me question whether I was a horrible person or not for it. The whole comment section is really reassuring. This is a great video, by the way. :)
I still listen to Brand New all the time, recently started listening to them everyday again, like I used to when I was a young person. Jesse’s writing and the band’s music is incredible, full of complex emotions and masterful musicality. I’ve never understood people who can’t separate the art from the artist. Lots of masterpieces in our history have been made by complex, damaged and disturbed, and most importantly, flawed human beings. The Internet, deciding that somebody is a bad person doesn’t mean shit to me . Their music wouldn’t have been what it was without Jesse being the exact person he is. I’d wager everything I have that lots of the people who dismissed them after this “news” broke out, have done, extremely shitty and despicable things in their lives too. I’m not condoning Jesse’s behavior, but complicated people do fucked things, it’s human nature. I mean, if you listen to the music and read his lyrics, you know that there are some dark things going on inside this man you can’t see that and you’re not really comprehending the words
Maybe analyze why you can't understand those people. Separating art from artist isn't just some binary dichotomy. There's an unquantifiable spectrum here that you're just trying to ignore in favor of the convenience of polarity. "The internet", as you put it, isn't some monolith that makes decisions. And to wager everything you have that anybody who thinks this guy is a predator and deserves to be judged accordingly is just as bad is proof of how much of a foolish take you're clinging to. Extreme bets that can never be cashed in on drawn on conclusions built off of assumptions from elementary rational fallacies. Complicated people do fucked up things but so do simple people. Being "complicated" doesn't necessitate being a shitbag. I'm glad you can still enjoy the music but to decry those who can't, or whose enjoyment is diminished as being unable to form comprehensive perspectives on the matter is just narrow minded and arrogant.
agreed. especially since the lost prophets guy was actually convicted. all the jesse stuff is still technically unconfirmed. Did it happen? Maybe. Idk. I'll never know for sure.
@@TM-bn8pv lmao if you think it’s just “emo crying singers” who do it, you have no idea. It doesn’t happen any more in this genre than others, the community just cares more about it when it does happen.
Let's not forget Brand New is more then just Jessie Lacy. It's about the whole BAND. I won't ever forget trying to learn all the bass line's off Your favorite weapon, Deju Entindu, etc. Knowing that Jessie Lacy did something horrible to someone else doesn't take away from how much I love this band. Sorry to say but being a die hard fan for over 14-15 year's won't change how I feel about EVERYONE else in the BAND. Everyone thinks a singer is the BAND. Being a bass player in many band's I can say while they might get the most attention their wouldnt be a band without everyone else. Now say they all get accused of some crazy shit then yeah I can step away but knowing how much everyone else in the band rocks I gotta say still a huge fan.
Corky 420 “the boy who blocked his own shot” will always have such an immensely powerful and special place in my heart, resonating with the lyrics. its a shame Jessie did these things. looking back on some of the songs, yeah the lyrics were sketchy... But I still love and appreciate their work :(
Yeah TBS copied brand news lyric , from brand new's seventy times seven. Lryric: Is this what you call tact? I swear you're as subtle as a brick in the small of my back So let's end this call And end this conversation Tbs responded back with there's no I in team, with that exact same lyric. People seem to forget Jesse lacey used to play bass for taking back sunday. That woulda been a super band if they never got into it over a girl. Regardless both bands were amazing on their own. Either way it turned out good for the fans. Wish they had at least 1 song together recorded before the split
@@michaelll pretty sure the brand new lyric was first, the story was that Jesse Lacey said that over the phone to one of the members before he hung up one time
I discovered Brand New in early 2015, and fell in love with them in early 2017. Brand New became my favorite band of all-time, surpassing Avenged Sevenfold which had been my favorite since I was a young kid. They’ve been there for me through some really horrible times. They were there when I had no friends, when I met some nice people that I wanted to be my friends, through unrequited love. I’d already been having a really horrible day when I saw the news about Jesse break, and it solidified it as one of the worst days of my life. But, I also found myself not feeling very shocked. Even years before it, with The Boy Who Blocked His Own Shot and Me vs Maradona vs Elvis (my two favorite songs) his behavior seemed evident. Jesse struck me as a beautiful lyricist who is also a broken man, knowing he’s done really fucked up things. A deeply narcissistic man who cares too much about his own gratification to change himself and yet, I find myself more and more drawn to him with every listen. Maybe in some ways I feel similar to him, though I’ve never done anything like what he did. His apology struck me as a sincere attempt at redemption and if Andrea Lacey’s occasional posts about him are any indication, he seems to have found it. I still listen to their music almost everyday and certainly every week, and probably always will. It’s a shame I was screwed out of seeing them live a few years ago, and now I never can. I only hope someday I can thank him for the incredible music and wish him well.
Thank you for your video! I am from Crimea, I came to USA aim 1996 and now I am an American. Just week ago I discovered Brand New, I was born in 1975, grew up listening Doors, Tool, Faith No More, Nirvana, Alice In Chains… Doors and Tool still my favorite… The Brand New is wonderful music with deep meaningful lyrics and what the artist has done does not taking away his talent, plus take it personally and judge all members of the band is wrong, they did not participate in his terrible act. Me personally, after watching your video, I began understand some of his lyrics on deeper level, I sew some gilt and expression of trying to understand his dark side of his. Art is reflection, the mirror of artist’s subconsciousness.
Ahh such a hard topic I feel guilty listening sometimes and sometimes I can listen without issue which I’ve been criticized for by friends. I definitely don’t excuse any abusive anything towards others but this music spoke to my soul and at the time helped me cope with life. It’s still such a hard topic I don’t believe in writing anyone off but we aren’t owed the answers that we need to really take a stance
I think that after the allegations a lot of his work came into focus with the new perspective. No one is completely good or completely bad. People are complex, and this was a young man who was clearly broken, thrust into a position of fame and power. What he did was wrong, I don't defend his actions, but sadly it's par for the course when rock stars do this. Throughout the lifespan of rock music, you saw young women (saw a documentary about two 14 year old girls doing this) with members of guns and roses, ac/DC, Clapton, Hendrix, Jimmy page, and society as a whole still holds these people up for the work they've done. In his apology Jesse stated that he'd been receiving help for years for his problems. That he had already been working on fixing himself for a while before the allegations come out. He didn't deny doing it either, unlike so many people accused of similar things at the time. I hope he is doing well and that he continues to learn and grow as a person. I hope the people he hurt are able to get what they need to heal and live happy fulfilling lives. We as fans aren't entitled to closure, you're right. But I will still be thankful for the entire band and how their work enriched my life. Deja Entendu helped me get through bouts of depression, the devil and God helped me with my own crisis of faith and crisis of identity, and science fiction gave me a place of comfort when dealing with my divorce. My cousin handed me the Deja Entendu album in November 2003, I have been a fan since then, and will continue to be
Word. I listen to that first ever Scientology music album, produced by Hubbard utilizing 21 year old indentured mental servants dressed like a navy as the musicians, on his Sea Org vessel The Apollo. It's jazz and it's called Power Of Source by the Apollo Stars and it's actually lit.
Listening to their albums you can really feel every last drop of emotion they put into them. The pain they've experienced, the uncertainty, the fear - but also they pain they've inflicted. How some lessons have gone unlearnt. It's the human condition, and a harrowing personal story told across 5 albums.
Except the Smiths would have sounded like the Smiths no matter what decade they ended up releasing their music in because Morrissey... I really thought you knew!
For me, it's less of separating the artist from the music, but separating the music from the memories. Music is so nostalgic and it has the power to take me back to a different time. I remember growing with Brand New, and listening to songs with my friends and getting excited when we found their vinyl. It felt like our own little club of people and it was great. I remember hearing the news and being so confused by the outcome. Now, when I see a Brand New vinyl at the shop, I feel the immediate excitement followed by the realization that things aren't how they use to be. I'm always unsure how to feel about it all. Do I punish the other band members for one's actions? Am I supporting them, or the local record store if I choose to buy their vinyl? Dare I sing along in the car when Mixtape comes on? Maybe y'all have some answers because I literally don't know.
Brand new is still on of my favorite bands as far as the music goes. The people aren’t my people to judge. I don’t condone anything he may or may not have allegedly done. But their music got me through some of the hardest times of my life during my teenage years. Brand news music will forever hold a special place in my musical library.
I will never stop listening to brand new. They were definitely a one of a kind band. I forgive you Jesse. People make mistakes. He never denied what he did. He owned it and i don't doubt for one second that he isn't super sorry. Rip brand new
Call me weird, but I think the allegations only add to the music. I'm not condoning said alleged behavior, but combine it with his venomous lyrics and it makes for one hell of a listening adventure. Brand New was one of the best bands of it's time. Even if he went full Lostprophets, nothing will ever change that.
To be honest, this is the first time I’ve heard of the allegations and still don’t know exactly what he has been accused of. This is one reason why I don’t dig too deep into personal lives of artists, I guess ignorance is bliss. It’s like the whole “never meet your heroes” thing. I’m not saying I don’t ever go beyond the art to learn about the artist, but I’m very selective about who and why.
Honestly, I wasn't that surprised about Jesse Lacey being a sexual predator. His music never exactly made it seem like he was a moral paragon, y'know? The music's still rad, and I'm still a huge fan - The guy's a piece of shit, but he never made himself out to be anything else.
We celebrate the tortured musings of a broken artist until the man behind those words turns out he's just as broken as his music is. Nothing a human being can do will ever be more powerful than the art they create. Fuck the thumbnail of this video. Brand New's music will forever be cancel proof. I've listened to them for over a decade, own all their vinyl, and I didn't even know Jesse's name until watching this video. The point is that it doesn't matter. We can never imagine the anxiety and darkness that comes with the pressure of not letting the world down with every word that you write. I''ll listen to their music forever.
I really don't know exactly what he did...and I don't really care. He's enriched more lives and added far more beauty to this world than he has taken away.
This video is very amateur. The research done for it was searching "brand new" on RU-vid/google images, reading a few articles and skimming their Wikipedia page. I think you could have gone more in depth about what made them stand out, such as the dark nature of TDAGARIM, the fact that Jesse is a notorious recluse and how even the lyrics have never been confirmed, and their hiatus in the early 2000s. Also you didn't even mention the fact that they released their final album 3 months before Jesse was outed for the allegations, or really anything about Science Fiction.
Once I'm given an impression of the personality or behavior of an artist, I don't think I ever fully separate the art from the artist, regardless of whether or not they've done anything that is morally reprehensible. Any time I listen to it, how I think about it and process it is affected by that impression. The way I feel when I listen to Brand New now is markedly different than it was in 2010. While that change occurred gradually for the most part, the most drastic shift in my view of their music was after I learned about the allegations against Jesse Lacey (around the time Science Fiction came out). That said, I still listen to Brand New a lot. Every few days. Even though I always have that awareness at the back of my mind, the music still gives me some catharsis and comfort when I listen to it.
I had the idea of writing a song on this when I heard the news. Was gutted. Only got a few lines in before abandoning the idea. He said, "It's better when you don't know. Seperate the art from the artist in your headphones" And if I took apart my own head, Could I seperate the counting from the flock that it had bred? "And maybe I can be your hero" With you behind the wheel, an All-American libido
Nice vid. 1. Yes I can separate the art from the artist. If we didn’t do that there wouldn’t be much art to appreciate. 2. Hell yes I still listen to brand new.
Brand New will always be one of my 4 all time favorite bands. The Devil And God, man… takes me back to a really shitty time, but, idk, it’s the nostalgia. 🤷🏻♀️
I'm over it. Still love the band, the music and if he can bounce back from this, I will love him even more for it. He deserves a second chance and if only others would encourage him instead of treating him like a monster. I mean even throughout his lyrics you can tell something was up.
Personally, I cant separate art. I see music as an extension of a human, if I cant morally agree with them as a human, I cant support them. I was sad when it happened, they were a personal favorite of mine.
Yeah I fall into this category too. It’s hard to remain objective, but I try to imagine what i’d Think if it was a band I was completely indifferent towards.
To answer your questions: 1. Yes, you have to. Most of the best art comes from the fringes, the highest highs and the lowest lows. If that art helps you understand something about yourself or the world around you, then it is beautiful, no matter how tortured or broken the source was. 2. Absolutely, their music has become a part of me. It still takes me back to high school, even decades later. I will always #AppreciateBrandNew. Always. Good video, thanks mate!
When I saw them in 2016 they already had the 2000-2018 theme going, so I felt like it was coming to an end anyway. Honestly I will say I listen to them a little less now, but to say I never throw on Deja/YFW/Devil and God these days would be false. Those were like defining albums for me in middle and high school. Also I'm curious why you didn't wanna get into the Taking Back Sunday drama. People were talking about that a ton during the Daisy - Science Fiction days. Anyway another great video my dude.
Allen Yee they had already planned the end. Jesse has been going through therapy and dealing with his guilt for the kind of person he was years ago. The allegation came out after they announced the end and after they dropped the new album. People have corroborated that she lied about being a minor and the allegation was unfit under (at least as far as sleeping with a minor). I feel like that was a grasp for attention or some sort of retribution for the way he acted with her. He has admitted to being a creep and a sex addict with lots of issues when it came to the like.
Dude no one’s perfect. Each and every one of us has made a shitload of mistakes. Personally, I’m not going to be quick to cast judgement on Jesse. The whole situation is shitty and it is fucked up what he did, but good lord ppl, we all fuck up to various extents
I still listen to Brand New and they will always remain one of my favorite bands, their music helped me out so much and it's hard to just throw that away.
I was 16 when Brand New came out with their first CD, and I bought it right away. Since I was young, I identified with the angst-y Pop Punk sound and lyrics. I had the privilege of maturing with the band. I was always a die hard fan, and introduced Brand New to lots of people. I can completely separate their work from any actions they may have done. There are famous rappers that have done MUCH worse things and no one cares, so it's unfortunate that there's a double-standard.
I wasn’t following them by 2017, but listening to the early music I assumed he had a guilty conscience about something like this. The lyric “a millstone around my neck,” was kind of a giveaway.
I believe that you should never seperate the art from the artist. The art is a direct product of the artist, especially with something as personal as music. On top of that, by continuing to listen to that artist you are both financially supporting them and giving them a platfrom to continue abusing people.
I can separate and Brand New is still in my top 3 favorite bands! I listen to them every single day! I was there when they only had YFW and their music will be with me until I’m in the ground.
1. Can I separate the art from the artist? Yes, I actually don't find this too difficult, because for me art is a very personal experience. I definitely understand that there are certain boundaries that constrain us when it comes to interpreting art (i.e. there are instances where an interpretation is definitively right or wrong), but within those constraints I try to maximally exercise my freedom in applying the meaning to my own life. For example, in Can't Get It Out Jesse is singing about depression from the perspective of an almost-40 year-old person whose spent the last 15 years preaching to a bunch of angsty teenagers, and how that has influenced his mental health and outlook on life. As a 20-something myself, I can't necessarily relate to that, and furthermore I don't see the song as needing to abide by a strict mapping where each lyric is about JESSE. Because the song is also about depression generally, something I very much relate to, and so I can read into the lyrics from this lens. My favorite line is at the end when he says "I've got a positive message / Sometimes I can't get it out," which to him refers to how he intends to sing about depression, death, spirituality, etc. in a way that helps people, but sometimes it comes off as him feeling sorry for himself or being a downer. To me though, this line represents how I have a lot of love for the people around me and I love to make people happy / laugh, but my depression (among other things) often holds me back from doing this and causes me to hurt people I'm close to. It's within the constraints of the song's meaning without being exactly what Jesse had in mind when he wrote the lyric, and so to me the lyric isn't about Jesse - it's about me. This sounds selfish / egotistical, but I think it's very fair for everyone to interpret art through their own schema. All this to say: I find myself uniquely equipped to remove unnecessary connection to an artist, and to understand their meaning without considering it the endpoint - rather, it's the starting point for applying the song to my own life, thus reclaiming meaningful art from people like Jesse who are horrible, abusive people that I don't necessarily look up to or respect. 2. Do I still listen to Brand New? Yes, obviously, and while the above implicitly addresses it I do find that, in general, I don't restrict myself from intaking art based on who made it. In addition to what I've said, I feel like it would be exhausting to the point of futility to try to limit consuming any bad person's art. Why is there outrage around Jesse, while David Bowie, Elvis, and Jimmy Page (among many other classic rock musicians) remain beloved? Rob Lowe has a sex tape with a 16 year-old, and it didn't stop him from winning the starring role in one of television's most influential shows ever. Kobe Bryant died a legend despite an extremely publicized rape allegation. Even outside the realm of sexual misconduct, countless artists engage in interpersonal violence, drunk driving, and horrific philosophical / social ideologies that would make me immediately cut them off if they were personal friends. But that's not what they are - they're conduits for me to understand myself, and to give me enjoyment. I do understand the importance of making bad acts publicly unacceptable, I fully support the #MeToo movement and the cancellation of abusers, and I don't think there can be a universally applied "never reject art because of the artist" principle that I'd abide by. I think I'd also take a lot more issue with consuming Brand New's music if they hadn't disbanded, and were continuing to live normally. It's clear, though, that Jesse's life is functionally over and that his reputation is tarnished forever - as it should be. I'm comfortable giving him 0.00037 cents or whatever astronomically low wage he earns per Spotify stream ever time I want to bump TDAG. I think there's probably a set of axes, where the level of personal closeness and the relative badness of the atrocity committed influence whether I can still enjoy an artist. Jesse hasn't crossed it, and due to the personal distance I keep myself from celebrities I find that very few artists have.
my all time favorite band was Jank. my heart was broken once the news that the frontperson was an abuser and the band broke up. it still hurts me. so i can relate to this so much
frankie says xanax yup. I’m from the Philly area (specifically a town named Downingtown where Pannucis Pizza was actually based out of) so i saw the whole scenes collective response first hand. Jank is a very dirty word in Philly. There’s no “separate the art from the artist” when it comes to Jank/Pannucis Pizza. Because Lous actions were completely reprehensible (assault of a minor). Still though, i miss that music so much. Remo Drive came close to being a proper follow up to what Jank started, but their debut is their only album worth listening to.
yeah I mean, lou is such a good songwriter but such a bad person, I really try to separate the music from him and what he did but it just isn't the same. I'm glad his past members distanced themselves from him though
2 minutes in and this video has too many analogies. Imagine this, you're scrolling through RU-vid and you see a comment... that comment has two or more analogies in it when it could have just used one. For example, let's say you're using a video streaming service and you see a forum of posts, you go to the top post which has way too many metaphors and similes when all it really needed was to get to the fucking point... you know?
If you under stand this point, then picture this if you will you're scrolling through Facebook and you see a comment... that comment has two or more comparisons in it when it could have just used one. To continue, let's say you're using a social media service and you see a message board, you go to the top message which has way too many allegorical vibez when all it really needed was to get to the fucking point... you know?
Few things here. 1. That doesn’t make it right. People shouldn’t listen to MJ either. That’s some crazy logic. “People do this bad thing so this other bad thing must also be okay”. No, nobody should do either. 2. Even to this day, nobody knows the truth. There is substantial evidence proving MJ’s both guilt and innocence. It isn’t the same as Brand New. Where Jesse Lacey admitted to, or at least expressed guilt toward allegations against him.
yeah what nathan said, you are a total fool if you excuse listening to a problematic band by saying that people listen to another problematic artist (an artist that is also like, totally unrelated? like dude whats up)
I Wish I Was Died hey man, I’m not pussyfooting around, I’ll tell you straight forward with no shame. I love brand news music. And micheal Jackson. And dare i say, i even like lostprophets (older stuff, not the newer stuff) so what? As a musician who has been in some semi successful bands, I’ve seen what the scene is like. And i know what men AND WOMEN are capable of. Art is art. Some of the greatest artists (music, paintings, etc....) of all time were reprehensible characters in their personal life. And yet, what does that have to do with the art? And who are you to judge people for what they listen to and why they listen to it? How’s that for pussyfooting? Have a great day my friend. Let people do their thing without putting your line of morality on them.
Honestly I think it depends how bad the artist is on if you should separate the art from the artist. I don’t listen to brand new anymore unless I’m feeling really really low
To answer your questions, no, I really don’t like to separate the art from the artist. From RobinThicke to The Smiths, giving persons who abuse their positions or power don’t deserve attention or those positions. That being said... brand new is still on my rotation, 9/10 times I skip but sometimes man... I gotta cry
Brand New is my favorite band of all time. No music has ever touched me the way theirs has, and I don’t think any ever will. That being said, I did a lot of research when the allegations came out, and I can’t find anything conclusive that proves whether or not he was talking to the victim when she was a minor. I know it’s incredibly likely that Jesse did _something_ shitty to her, and that makes me sick to my stomach, but I just want to know the whole truth. His “apology” was subpar at best to me, and he didn’t even mention the fact that she was allegedly a minor at the time. I think he should have addressed it, and I’m ultimately going to stand with the victim because we should always give survivors the benefit of the doubt. It’s difficult, because Brand New quite literally kept me from killing myself, to stop listening to them entirely. I try to remember as much as possible when I do listen that the band was also Garrett, Brian, and Vinny. It’s hard not to feel betrayed by Jesse, though. It’s at least somewhat...comforting? to know that he _knew_ he was doing something wrong. He was always wrestling with it. “It’s hard to be the better man...when you’re still lying.” Ultimately, I’ll always love Brand New and I’ll always come back to their music. But will I support them financially if they do by some chance do a reunion tour? No. Will I support Brian, Vinny, and Garrett if they choose to start new projects? Yes. Will I ever support Jesse again? I don’t think I could. The reason I still come back to Brand New’s music is because I can’t separate it from what it did for me emotionally. But I don’t think I could have those same feelings about anything Jesse makes going forward because he’s not the same anymore. It’s tainted now, ruined. It’s hard not to be really really down about everything. I still think about it all most days. I know that we don’t deserve anything as fans, but it’s hard not to want closure that will never come. I hope that everyone affected by it is doing better now, and that they will find peace.
As someone who became a fan following the release of science fiction, I know my thoughts don't carry the most weight when I say I don't think we need to disregard the music. I feel the same way about Michael Jackson as I do about this band in that I will still listen to the music, but in the case of Brand New I can also STILL support the band in ways that disregard Jesse Lacey. Whatever the end result of the conversation, I am new to the channel but I appreciate your ending thoughts about your community and intellectual charity, and I respect it. Looking forward to future content, and I have plenty of bands for you to cover if you would like suggestions.
The video was made to be overly dramatic, overly long, 2nd worst category to clickbait. I would call out what a diva he is or my cringing but I fully expect it was completely fake (the “I’m so hurt” sentiment) (*think vlogger w/ “we’re getting divorced?? 🥺” in thumb. Shit content.
1. As a fellow musician, yes, I do think it’s important to separate the art from the artist. All of my own material derived from very dark periods of my life and do I want that to represent me as a person? No. So I treat fellow artists the same way. No matter the artist (unless you’re Cardi B or R. Kelly because let’s be real, that music has no integrity). 2. Yes and no. Brand New was my favorite band for 10+ years. I was there for the cult adornment of Devil and God, the devisivement of Daisy, and the whirlwind of Science Fiction, but by the time Science Fiction came out, I found new bands I fell in love with that I felt I could better relate to as an adult. Bands like Foxing, Have A Nice Life, Holy Fawn, and the list goes on. Do I appreciate Brand New still? Yes, very much so, they were so goddamn integral to my taste’s development, but how I view them now is how most people feel when reminiscing on old polaroids from high school or looking through old clothes. I love them and always will, but I don’t think I’ll ever go back to listening to their material because, honestly, I’ve just moved on. The world kept spinning without them.
1. I personally can't separate the art from the artist because I believe the art is an extension of the artist. The exception is if the artist is a good person, but their art sucks. I also feel like the phrase "separating the art from the artist" is a cop out/excuse to continuing to support someone despite their harmful actions. You can disagree with me, but that's my opinion. 2. I do not listen to them. I haven't voluntarily listened to them since the incident (I've been out and people would play them, but I would leave if it were an option). I have been tempted to listen to "Your Favorite Weapon" since that was my favorite album of theirs, but I never followed through.
So you would never listen or watch anything that was involved with one bad person in a group of people who create art? So you'll never watch a Weinstein movie again or watch any movie starring someone who did or was accused of something? In that case, you better never watch a Hollywood film again cause I guarantee you most of Hollywood is FULL of sexual predators and pedophiles. But you do you and at the end of the day I still respect your opinion even if I EXTREMELY disagree with it... Music and movies will outlive any asshole who made them...
So heres my story. Saw a childhood friend the other day, told him I was listening to a ton of 2000s rock because fuck it thats what I like. He told me him and his drummer were listening to a ton of Brand New. Now I never listened to them so I listened to Deja all the way through the other day. It was good, reminded me of dashboard and even bright eyes at times, and then it was funky too? Pretty cool. Now ill listen to that other album you said was their best and see what thats like. Anyway moral of the story im not going to tell my friend about the ending of this video. Dont wanna do that to him.
I do still throw on Brand New here and there, the nostalgia of first 3 albums, take me back to highschool and still kick ass today. I like to think (or I guess not think) of the people behind the music and just take the art for what it is. I mean, the majority of bands i'm really loving today thanks to spotify, I have no idea who the members are, how many members there are, their names, if they are good bad criminals, etc. So. yes I can separate the Art from the person, because much of the art I listen to I have no idea who they are beyond the band name anyway.
Fact change... the line from 70x7 he was actually telling john nolan to get in a car crash not an ex... coz jesse and him had a massive fall out from taking back sunday...in fact that act comes a phome call jesse n john had.. and those same lines appear on a tbs song.
@@Joe2Jamarr i always thought that he was in tbs at the time and his best friend got the girl he knew Jesse wanted. Which is pretty fucked up lol i mean its a friend code dude so i bet that really did hurt
I have many memories tied to their music. It is part of the mosaic of my early teen life. What happened is unforgivable but I still do listen to their music from time to time especially when I feel nostalgic for what are in retrospect more simple times.
