the most infamous emo feud ever (taking back sunday vs. brand new explained) 

hahahahhahahaha

That ussy was bomb to have a singer and a bassist soon to be singer make maaad music about her. My whole childhood was about a girl who i dont know

@@watermelonheadiegoSame.

She doesn't remember. They live life on easy and she didn't buy either album. She didn't care that she inspired my two favorite emo albums. Love it.

@@lifeisgoodskt that's the best part of it. she doesn't know. she doesn' care. they got a whole lot of money because of it, tho. I hope they both pay her bills for at least two generations

BROKEN DOWN IN BARS AND BATHROOMS

@@sleepatterns ALL I DID WAS WHAT I HAD TO

DONT BELIEVE ME WHEN I TELL YOU

IS JUST WHAT ANYONE WOULD DOO!

You get what you deserve.

OG 03 fan here too, my dude. Brand New owns a piece of my heart; their music has been with me through so much. I'm so sorry about your best friend.

Sorry for your loss man. With each album release (no matter how painstakingly long) it’s been oddly accurate, lyrically and thematically, to that period of my life. I’m positive that almost every fan who followed along all those years felt that similar connection. I know it allowed me to manage my mental state to some extent while going through difficult times. I can only assume that your friend, while battling his demons, likely used brand new in a similar way. I’d bet his relationship with the band often brought him out of some dark situations until the last hump was too much. Not sure it was a “life saver” at any point for myself, but I refuse to downplay that many out there did get themselves some extra time at the very least, just by turning on a powerful track. sometimes turning the volume up and letting out some lyrically inspirational screams with Jesse really evens a person out 🤷‍♂️

I was too until everything came out. Sorry for your loss.

Whatever poisons in this bottle

I'm sorry about your friend 😔 it's nice that you two had that deep musical connection that keeps him alive in your mind any time you hear a BN song. Bittersweet for sure, but still a pretty powerful way to feel connected to him every now and again 🤷‍♀️

I fucking cackled

Lmao

Lmao thats fkn hilarious

Well... given that they're your friends, you obviously told them, so obviously they know what's up.

I second this 🙌

Wait, what happened? I thought they were friends, or friendly?

@@t5dagreat it’s a nothing sandwich tbh. Gerard stopped using drugs, Bert lost a partying buddy(and went on to lose band members for that behaviour as well) and was REALLY sore about it, invading one of mcr’s set with a megaphone to spoil the performance. Some say the song “pretty handsome awkward” is inspired by Gerard. They made up after Bert laid off the heavier stuff, though I don’t think there was ever any negative feelings on mcr’s behalf.

@@Flatcetera The situation was just really sad, honestly.

I saw them kiss onstage in Toronto.

You were

I’ve heard that too. I thought that was it till I watched this actually. I’m about an hour from charlotte. Yeah it was a big deal back then for sure.

Adam actually dated Michelle Nolan (now Michelle DaRosa) and cheated on her, which is why John left TBS and started Straylight Run

@@blueberrymuffin5418 Ah! Crossed stories! Makes perfect sense in the south.

it was someone elses sister and im pretty sure thats what Okay I Believe You But My Tommygun Don't by Brand New is about

I watch Watchtower Database all the time, it's so cool you're a fan of these bands

@ssjlayne I am nothing if not a mid 00s emo! Lmao.

Same! lol

Who was the chick they beefed over

@@ponyboycurtisx I can't imagine why that would possibly matter or why anyone would expect her identity to be publicized

This is what's delish.

Adam actually dated Michelle Nolan (now Michelle DaRosa) and cheated on her, which is why John left TBS and started Straylight Run

ayy its my birthday tomorrow too cool

@@Bannanawaffles2 happy bday twin

Happy b-day buddy!

Happy birthday

Obviously to each their own but Idk how anyome can prefer TBS over Brand New. Dont get me wrong TBS had some jams but Brand New actually made masterpieces

@TheSleepyJoehe didn’t do shit. He was a rock star and probably slept with a bunch of women. Big whoop

@TheSleepyJoe no

​@TheSleepyJoecan you not read "he even confirmed it himself" or do you just want a free pass to hate women

@@melancholist”he even confirmed it himself” isn’t entirely true. He never confirmed he messed with under age girls. The initial girl that accused him and said she was under age at the time was actually proven to have been lying. She has graduated high school a few years prior to meeting Lacey. So they did have a relationship but NOT while she was under age. She also didn’t “come out about it” until after her friend who was a guitar tech was fired by Jesse Lacey and after he tweeted “with all these allegations going around does anyone have anything on Jesse Lacey?” Also he supposed email proof was proven to be a mass email to fans in regards to the release of an album. So super sus. Lacey simply just said he use to have a drinking problem and treated women badly. (Which he had been open about for many many years prior to the allegations) The Brand New shows I attended they asked for food and supplies for women’s shelters. So I believe he was a jerk. And changed. And is innocent of the under age thing. But was open about being guilty of treating women and other people badly. He talks about it a lot at shows.

@TheSleepyJoenah. Not for the under age thing. In fact the girl that accused him of it was proven to be lying about how old she was. She wasn’t under age when they had a fling. She also didn’t say anything until after her friend who was a guitar tech got fired by Jesse Lacey and tweeted of anyone had anything on Lacy that could get him cancelled. So super sus. Jesse has also been super open for many years before the allegations that he was a bad person in his youth and treated people , especially women, very poorly. But the brand new shows I attended they asked you to bring food and supplies for women’s shelters. So I believe he was a jerk but changed. He gave credit to his brothers in brand new and his wife for fighting for him and their relationship even after he did her wrong. The love and Grace they showed him changed him.

i’d kill to hear Degausser twice in one night

Do you remember what forum you remember reading this on?

Not specifically. I did go on Absolutepunk a lot, probably a bunch of others I can’t really recall by name. More than likely I’m also remembering some discussions from IRC chats or something and blending those into my memories. 20 years and a lot of drugs will do that to ya.

And with those songwriting credits, jeese

Yes, absolutely. Of the few times I've seen Brand New, once at the House of Blues, he (Jesse) was....drunk or on acid, lol something. He was totally phoning it in, not even singing at a lot of parts. It was a concert worth paying for yes, but he for sure wasn't giving it his all...and many people noticed.

Have you heard of rap music

idk i’ve always read that it was his girlfriend

This is exactly how you would joke with a reporter about your buddy, though 😂

yea but he was also a genius

So are Tell All Your Friends and Where You Want To Be

@@sschofield115 True, but after those albums, TBS kinda went pop, whereas Brand New kept making fully epic albums.

and Daisy. and Science Fiction.

I'm with you. BN music as a whole is so much better than TBS. I was really into TBS too but wouldn't say I love any album all thw way through. I moreso had a couple of songs I loved on albums with a handful I liked and another handful I always skipped.

@@sschofield115 they got boring and coke ruined adam

Honestly ever since I found your channel 2 years ago I new this day would come.

I met someone who went to hs with the actor who played rufio. Apparently people would chant that at times and he was always a good sport.

Dude rufios first album was so fucking good. Gonna go listen again lol

As it should

Can you explain why?! I must have missed something….

@@Ama40401 TCR actually goes into it into this video, basically some chick's accused him of sexually exploiting his minor fans back in the day. Think what you want of jesse, but brand new and Vincent and the other guys still deserve respect in the emo genre. They were the emo genre

Cozy has said before that he doesn’t like Brand New and that he thinks they’re kinda pretentious. So I highly doubt he will.

@@aironnocturnal5365 Very disengenuous take as they're one of the most talented bands in the emo genre. Incredibly influential on the genre's "revival" and pretty much all the bands in the emo genre suck them off pretty hard.

@@failingnovelist6443 Brand New are my favourite band, I'm saying what Cozy has said about them before.. chill out dude

I had the hoodie in 05, but i accidently ordered a freakin youth small instead of a regular small, ugh. Needless to say, I didn't wear it much as i could hardly zip it up! I still have the jellyfish tote from that order though!

What town was that in?

I remember that from the Set This World Ablaze DVD. Literally the first song of the set. Joel's dad was there and had an extra bandaid on him and it kept falling off. Adam paid a fan $5 to lick the wound and he has hardcore kid aids to this day.

YESSSS. So good. Thanks for the reminder. Gonna Google a clip, lol.

“The ballad of Sal Villaneuva” goes so hard. One of my favorites

Def wasn’t 15th anniversary since TDAGARIM came out in on ‘06 and brand new disbanded in 2018-ish. Likely touring around the 10 year anniversary mark. Loved watching them live and everytime they’d switch up You Won’t Know and the ending of it.