In a easier game It could be a serious problem... However this is Considered a very hard game ESPECIALLY at the Beginning and ESPECIALLY during the Boss Fights... A lot of people will want broken stuff in order to just get it over with.
Everyone perceives difficulty differently and there are differe t settings, so I can only speak for myself. But I played the game on hard and found a challenging but fair difficulty level throughout. So from my perspective the beastmaster came off absurdly overtuned. But it's certainly interesting to hear people start to bring this up (you're not the first).
The beauty of the bravely games lol. You can use different strategies and stumble upon different things you’d consider broken That said I actually barely used beast master cause I didn’t want the bloated stats and once I discovered phantom + salve maker the game was too easy to care anymore
The problem of this is that it's a natural mechanic. In bravely second there was an exploit with rare steals with Prince of thieves ability to steal infinite unearthly buns vs baals then run away repeating. I maxed out my stats to obscene levels doing this cause I enjoy getting stronger but this you had to go out of your way to do as well as is an end game mechanic requiring a very late game job to do. This you can just happen stance across by accident.
I don't agree with the premise your assuming in your video, although I did enjoy it. Your premise goes something like this, 1)In order for RPG to be a good game, it cannot have imbalance game design 2) Beast tamer second specializationis an imbalance game design, invalidating other classes 3)Therefor Bravely default is not a good game, since it has this I guess where I don't agree is both in the 2nd premise, where you said it invalidates other classes, and I don't agree that the third argument is a necessary conclusion from the previous. The problem with second argument: You have established that the beast tamer has permanent stats upgrade based on that, but it does not invalifdate the other classes necessarily. As an example: Freelancer has the exact same thing with late bloomer, black mage has the specilization that negates immunities and absorption, Red Mage has Chain Spell that allows to double cast, and Ranger can gain BP from criticals and slayer abilities (This is far more powerful then you realized). You havent realized how much more beneficial some of these other classes specialization actually make the classes. Take the vanguard. Yes the beast tamer excel in pure stats compare to the vanguard perhaps, but the vanguard second specialization allows his physical power to well go beyond the beast tamer in the early game. He's the only class that can be buffed two different ways, by buffing both his physical power and attraction, to gain a great physical damage. Then he has access to neo cross slash, a powerfull move that the beast tamer doesn't have in it's repertoire. It's stats maybe great, but it doesn't have any extremely powerful moves, like firaga or amped strike, which are the second highest damaging moves in the game, to really uitlize his stats effectively. yes he can use sub classing, but that means that all beast tamer is, is a incredibly high stat class that is limited by what creatures he captures. This then leads to my objection the next premise, that Bravely Default 2 isn't a good game in light of this. I had this same thing I came across with freelancer. Ok great it's a very high stats job.... and nothing else really. it doesn't have the vanguard 2nd specialization , it doesn''t have the thief Godspeed strike that converts the jobs speed into damage. the berserker default pierce ability that turns all physical attacks into true damage at that point. Certainly a freelancer paired with other classes will make that character effective, yet he is only able to use one jobs move set, since freelancer up to level 12 doesn't have any worthwhile moves that I would consider to bring to every boss fight. This is no different with beast tamer. You said that players discovering the a broken strategy and not using is bad assumptiopn to make. I ask you, 'What are you using??" In spite of having all the creatures moves list, they don't convert your stats into damage. All your moves are based around common enemy encounter, since I don't think you want to mercy strike bosses like Bernard. You could sub classes these jobs, but the irony is that these classess genereally do their jobs better then what your proposing. The bard has a chance to sing twice at any uses of his singing abilities. Thief turns all BP cost abilities into mana abilities. Ranger allows it to gain a BP for every critical, meaning that if prepared right, can brave up to 4 times every turn and almost never goes into deficit. and its worth to mention the Salve-Maker, because everyone knows how much more broken that job is compare to your beast tamer. With all of this in mind, Bravely default 2 is a very enjoyable and fun experience, where alot of it comes with discovering these classes abilities, and working with different combinations. I just don't have the time in my day, or energy in my soul, to come across a powerful ability in rpgs and complain about the "imbalance of this game mechanic", because lord Bernard is grinning while he's stealling my BP, and Prince Castor going through my defenses like a angry jerk. This is all to say, enjoy the game guys. It's great
I'm gonna splot my response into 2 groups. Premise 2 Premise 1&3. Regarding premise 2: I absolutely agree. And I recognize that it was short-sighted to make the video with so much left of the game still to play. Also "invalidates" was a very strong word to use, and I don't agree with my past self 100%. Tho I do still think there is merrit to a Swiss army knife style build that taps into a bit of everything with uber high base stats. Overall though I totally agree with the criticism and feedback there. I also find it funny that you highlighted the vanguard as your counter example. As I kept playing into the late game, Vanguard grew into my fav class, and was rhe core of my strategy against Night's Nexus. However where I want to counter you is in points 1 and 3 as they're more closely linked. Simply put: *I never called it a bad game!* Nor did I say that a game not not have poor balancing. I *did* call the beast master poorly balanced. But I did not day that RPGs (or games in general) have to have perfect balance to be good. I love this game! I think it is fantastic, and its because I care, that I put so much effort into this video; even if my arguments were flawed and short-sighted. As for the arguements about the other classes being just as or more OP. I agaim chalk that up to the issue of me making the video so early. Most of the OP examples you gave come later in the builds and game. (Or are from classes I didn't try uaing) That is not a criticism, merely my point that I was (for lack of a better word) trigger-happy in my own critisms. In Summary: Premise 1: I did not say games need perfect balance to be good: only that the subject of the video was poorly balanced. Premise 2: That was a flawed and short sighted arguement on my part, and I agree with your criticisms. Premise 3: I did not say, and do not think, that BD2 is a bad game.
@@X-35173 Oh yeah bravely default 2 is such a beautiful game, and I enjoy watching contents on it. Bassically while I was watching your video, i was like, "Yeah there's no problem here. Welcome to Bravely Default my man." And yes short sighted ness can be a problem. Keeping in mind the totality of the system is key to thinking about an rpg gameplay. I was like you with the black mage. I was like, "Wow I can access level 3 spells by the end of chapter one, and I can go around enemies null and absorption. Magic is too stupid." Then I got red mage and I was like, "I can cast spells TWICE and can crit with magic???? Magic is so broken, there's no way the game can have this. " (Funny red mage was one of the classes I brought to the final boss. I loved the style) Then I learned about arcanist and the trick with reflect, and I LOVED IT! Then theres bravebearer, and thats when I said, "I think I found my rpg guys. Im guchi with this." So I did catch on to the BS that you tasted with beast tamer, but its like one part of your whole character. The fact that i mastered black mage didn't invalidate that job, but added more to my character setth when i gave him the role of red mage. Same with your beast Tamer. If I got maxed black mage and maxed Beast Tamer, I would start thinking, "Wow now I have this really good combination I can bring to battles." So I'm glad that you, like I, really enjoy this game. I'm playing it for the second time on steam (I got it on steam to play it a second time) and now im focused on melee oriented damage. That's when I found out about the vanguard and berserker combo, and even the thief and vanguard combo, since thief allows me to give bp at the cost of mana instead of BP. Elvis allows me to give BP to my other team members toi really go all in, and he stilll does good damage. I'm enjoying this game all over again.
Now I wanna test this out with one of the skills you get from the endgame jobs. Freelancer's level 12? passive gives you boosts to stats based on mastery of other jobs so the more you master the other jobs, the more stats you get. It does require you to use a passive from another job because either way, the job passives are disabled in the secondary slot without this passive and requires alot of slot points but if the beastmaster is already this broken, this will make the endgame bosses a joke...and i love when games do that. Its the devs way of telling the player you worked your ass off for this so enjoy.
My only observation here is the Creature Comforts text, as it says "Based on creatures captured", not "Based on creatures held" so it was never implied that stats would go down on monster uses as the text is very clear in what it says. Aside from that, I do agree with you, the class is overtuned but since it was a grindfest, I never played with it anyway on my runs
freelancer is better than beastmaster. since u will be mastering all jobs for all characters anyway. while for beastmaster u need to capture monsters which is another grind.
"since u will be mastering all jobs for all characters anyway" Dude I ain't about to do all that, and most people aren't. The statboosts mastering jobs grants you when playing freelancer are more of a completionist reward, not something that is expected of the player. Also, capturing monsters is another grind, yes, but you act like grinding every job to max on every character isn't WAY more of a grind.
