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Brazil plane crash | Former NTSB investigator weighs in on possible cause of accident 

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A passenger plane crashed into a gated residential community in Brazil’s Sao Paulo state on August 9, 2024, killing all 61 people aboard and leaving a smoldering wreck, officials and the airline said.
Officials did not say if anyone was killed on the ground in the neighborhood where the plane landed in the city of Vinhedo, about 80 kilometers (50 miles) northwest of the metropolis of Sao Paulo. But witnesses at the scene said there were no victims among local residents.
The airline Voepass said that its plane, an ATR 72 twin-engine turboprop, was headed for Sao Paulo’s international airport Guarulhos with 57 passengers and 4 crew members aboard when it crashed in Vinhedo. It provided a flight manifest with passenger names, but not their nationalities. A prior statement had said there were 58 passengers.
“The company regrets to inform that all 61 people on board flight 2283 died at the site,” Voepass said in a statement. “At this time, Voepass is prioritizing provision of unrestricted assistance to the victims’ families and effectively collaborating with authorities to determine the causes of the accident.”
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@donnahdunthorn5207
@donnahdunthorn5207 28 дней назад
It's so pleasant to hear from an "expert" who actually IS an expert.
@JohnnyDanger36963
@JohnnyDanger36963 28 дней назад
he's pro DEI!
@rafaelcestari
@rafaelcestari 28 дней назад
​@@JohnnyDanger36963It's good for his business... Ok that was dark.
@jameshisself7375
@jameshisself7375 28 дней назад
@@JohnnyDanger36963 you are on a tangent
@mike4402
@mike4402 28 дней назад
@@jameshisself7375 DEI is a tangent. The original study that created DEI was manufactured by a research company that was desperately wanted investment money.
@JohnnyDanger36963
@JohnnyDanger36963 28 дней назад
@@jameshisself7375 ex stewardess acting as copilot crash lands a commercial jet. look it up.
@rreiter
@rreiter 28 дней назад
What a great communicator. Clear and concise with no wasted words or bafflegab.
@paulazemeckis7835
@paulazemeckis7835 28 дней назад
His communication methods always put him a head above the rest. Plus he was hot back then.
@joelt4416
@joelt4416 28 дней назад
He continues to be the BEST! Objective, factual and so articulate!
@matthewdavis8199
@matthewdavis8199 28 дней назад
​@@paulazemeckis7835He's still a good looking man!
@lawyertammy
@lawyertammy 28 дней назад
Bafflegab, I learnt a new word. Thank you & I concur with your statement.
@msr1116
@msr1116 28 дней назад
This is my first encounter with the word bafflegab. I looked it up and the next time my local mayor speaks....I'll use it to describe his sort of speech.
@602STS2
@602STS2 28 дней назад
This man is a VERY experienced accident investigator and is highly qualified to comment on aircraft crashes. 👍
@ColeJ34
@ColeJ34 28 дней назад
Yeah, you never want Greg reviewing your flight. If he is, something went very sideways.
@LukeO9
@LukeO9 28 дней назад
anybody can comment on the fact that we don't know why it happened.
@annsheridan12
@annsheridan12 28 дней назад
@@LukeO9 severe icing, loss of control, unrecoverable stall/ spin
@g_pazzini
@g_pazzini 28 дней назад
I can listen to him all day long talking about aviation. This guy sould be a professor of aeroneutical
@juanmanuelgomezmartinez3795
@juanmanuelgomezmartinez3795 28 дней назад
​@@annsheridan12 Hello. You must use all tools. You don't have ailerons, rudder or elevator but You engines below your wings. If someone use assymeytrical power (one engine full power and the other reverse if needed) and nothing happen then i agree is unrecoverable
@edsonetf
@edsonetf 27 дней назад
Hello everyone: I was an investigator at CENIPA, the Brazilian correspondent of the American NTSB here in Brazil, and I have been a big fan of Greg Feith for many years. What particularly impresses me about Mr. Feith is his ability to comment on the complex topic of investigations in a clear way for the lay public but without losing the necessary ethics and technicality. CENIPA learned a lot by observing the way the NTSB usually deals with the release of information to the public during investigations of major accidents and I believe that in this case we will have a better dissemination of factual data throughout this important investigation. Brazil is the third largest manufacturer of commercial aircraft in the world and we have a strong technical capacity for research in this area. Congratulations on Mr. Feith's announcement. Edson Tritiack - Sao Paulo (Brazil)
@katiacarneiro3010
@katiacarneiro3010 25 дней назад
There are 8 information excluded from the boxes. Brasil ilil
@brianvogt8125
@brianvogt8125 25 дней назад
His face seemed familiar. Yes, Greg Feith has often been on the TV series Air Crash Investigations.
@MarceloSdeA
@MarceloSdeA 25 дней назад
As a Brazilian and a frequent flyer I´m proud to have an excellent fly´s accident investigator department like CENIPA, down here.
@silviahortencia5487
@silviahortencia5487 25 дней назад
@@MarceloSdeA Proud of less accidents you mean...
@Tazjet100
@Tazjet100 24 дня назад
Can you confirm on the CVR pilots did not refer to icing, but First officer kept demanding more power? How is that consistent with the popular speculation of icing? In cell phone audio it sounds as if they were in Hotel mode, Has CENIPA investigated the Hydraulic Auxilliary pump setting yet?
@diegus012
@diegus012 28 дней назад
As an active airline professional who is part of an accident response team, it is so refreshing to hear an “ aviation expert” that actually know what they’re talking about. That was one of the most solid analysis that I’ve seen.
@fitzfitzgerald1249
@fitzfitzgerald1249 24 дня назад
This man would make a great president or world leader. Politicians should watch and copy this man. Pastors and CEOs take a master class on leadership from this Master Class on communication and leadership and problem solving from this man!
@Tazjet100
@Tazjet100 21 день назад
Who is a scratched record on the topic of ATR72 who ignores contemporary data about this aircraft's known hydraulic failures.
@arianamaria_
@arianamaria_ 28 дней назад
Greg Feith is an NTSB legend and has been a part of many famous air investigations. I trust literally anything this man says on aircraft crashes and despite watching him review terrifying crashes, he’s made me feel safer knowing people like him are working on safety
@dizzymindy6024
@dizzymindy6024 28 дней назад
I agree with you 100%
@legitbeans9078
@legitbeans9078 28 дней назад
Hawty
@nindalib
@nindalib 28 дней назад
I back this comment 💯
@billsomebody4151
@billsomebody4151 27 дней назад
you are most correct, Greg is a gifted investigator and has brought his knowledge to many air disasters. we thank you for your service Greg!
@stevengill1736
@stevengill1736 27 дней назад
Yes - thank you for posting. It's that classic dilemma where a big plane has to slow down to land but stall speed goes down too - and the larger the plane,the longer time it takes to recover from a stall...and a spin takes longer apparently - now I understand. Sorry to hear of this....
@laszloilles5663
@laszloilles5663 28 дней назад
This guy is a legend, good to see him. What is tragic is the cause again why he made the interview. RIP all victims.
@ianriggs
@ianriggs 28 дней назад
I was literally about to leave a comment that said this guy is a legend lol. Glad I saw this first
@user-nu1sq2fz8s
@user-nu1sq2fz8s 28 дней назад
​@ianriggs Greg Faith was his name I recall . Very professional guy
@elizabethroberts6215
@elizabethroberts6215 28 дней назад
@@user-nu1sq2fz8s……surname is Feith………
@lottiesquires1566
@lottiesquires1566 28 дней назад
@@user-nu1sq2fz8s I think his last name is Feith. I always enjoy hearing his explanations.
@user-nu1sq2fz8s
@user-nu1sq2fz8s 28 дней назад
@lottiesquires1566 yes Feith
@andrewdewit4711
@andrewdewit4711 28 дней назад
Man, I wish I could articulate facts as concisely and clearly as this expert.
@suspenderjohn
@suspenderjohn 28 дней назад
Greg Feith is not only a respected expert in his field, but also a national treasure for us all.
@nigelwalsh804
@nigelwalsh804 27 дней назад
That's what proper 'experts' do. Its part of the job. Trouble is today we have got so used to 'experts' who really aren't experts st all particularly on the internet. They were always like this in the past but Aircraft Safety is not political unlike many other 'disasters, or shouldn't be anyway, so we have 'experts' who know what they are talking about. Only thing contradicting this when a high profile international passenger aircraft type crashes and it turns political simply because so many millions of passengers use them and sales may be affected. But I don't believe even they could influence proper accountable experts.
@bigdogboos1
@bigdogboos1 28 дней назад
I've always loved this guy in all the Airline disaster documentaries. So clear and to the point, and knowledgable.
@davidhabert
@davidhabert 26 дней назад
I did see a lot of these documentaries years ago. One of those documentaries was called Air Crash Investigation AKA Mayday and he did explain how some of these accidents were cause. If you haven't seen this program, I recommend you do but be advise you have 24 seasons to go through.
@DsteezyMedia
@DsteezyMedia 24 дня назад
@@davidhabertYep and they’re all on RU-vid for those that don’t know!
@NaticzkaKaminskaHenryDolphin
@NaticzkaKaminskaHenryDolphin 23 дня назад
yes! Me too! And btw, not that it's smth on topic, but he was always very handsome, even now, when he is older :) Greetings from Poland!
@26CY
@26CY 27 дней назад
Who remembers Greg from Air crash investigation! What a legend. Hope you’re well mate
@lorimeyers3839
@lorimeyers3839 20 дней назад
ValuJet air crash episode! It’s funny to see how he’s aged over the years!
@muffs55mercury61
@muffs55mercury61 15 дней назад
In the 90s he was doing a major investigation every one to two years.
@davidgilbert9822
@davidgilbert9822 8 дней назад
Also on MAYDAY he was always the best.
@leokimvideo
@leokimvideo 28 дней назад
Greg Feith, the Godfather of modern aircraft crash investigations. His insight is always welcome. I bet the cockpit voice recorder will reveal cockpit chaos if undamaged and working
@davidglad
@davidglad 28 дней назад
I was thinking of that Mayday episode before watching this video and thinking YEP when I saw it too was an ATR-72
@bandave1
@bandave1 28 дней назад
One of the most experienced investigators in the world .
@cheeselight8050
@cheeselight8050 28 дней назад
That's gonna be a hard job listening to people's last moments
@suetaylor46
@suetaylor46 28 дней назад
I've been watching him since 1996 when Value Jet went down. I regret not getting into this field.
@GlobalDrifter1000
@GlobalDrifter1000 28 дней назад
@@suetaylor46you would have been a natural . What are you doing ? Rocket Science? .
@malquezare
@malquezare 28 дней назад
Both black boxes were recovered yesterday and are in good condition despite external damage, they have not been burned. greetings from Brazil, São Paulo
@Jeff-ow1qq
@Jeff-ow1qq 28 дней назад
I flew on that particular plane in July, so sad to see this happen but I hope this crash allows air travel to be safer than ever especially considering that the ATR is widely used in Brazilian regional flights 🙏
@DrVictorVasconcelos
@DrVictorVasconcelos 28 дней назад
They reported that 100% of the data was salvaged.
@lewiscarey1593
@lewiscarey1593 27 дней назад
🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦😪
@MelissaDisha
@MelissaDisha 27 дней назад
Bom Dia
@bustjanzupan1074
@bustjanzupan1074 24 дня назад
@@Jeff-ow1qq Sadly, it will never again be safe , because of the Badly constructed panes, and Because of the poisons in the pilots.
@dlvox5222
@dlvox5222 28 дней назад
I have seen this man on Air Disasters. One of my favorite shows
@johngreydanus2033
@johngreydanus2033 28 дней назад
Do you mean Air Crash Investigations?
@Bruce.-Wayne
@Bruce.-Wayne 28 дней назад
​@@johngreydanus2033.....nope, Air Disasters....its a show on Smithsonian channel
@jeffreyb7665
@jeffreyb7665 28 дней назад
@@johngreydanus2033 Yeah it's the same show. it has different names depending on what channel and region it's playing. "Mayday, known as Air Crash Investigation(s) outside of the United States and Canada and also known as Mayday: Air Disaster (The Weather Channel) or Air Disasters (Smithsonian Channel) in the United States"
@RonBasti-zi8mx
@RonBasti-zi8mx 28 дней назад
Greg feith
@Enzoblueblood
@Enzoblueblood 28 дней назад
He does a podcast with other former investigators. Cohost with the legendary John Goglia and former Boeing safety analyst, Todd Curtis. You might have seen them on many episodes of aircrash investigations. It’s called the Flight Safety detectives and it’s also available on RU-vid. Greg is absent a lot recently because of other commitments but you should check out the series of videos of them discussing accidents they investigated while working at Ntsb, and the series they did on the Max 8 crashes will give you a perspective that’s not very popular but is an eye opening dissection of the official reports of those accidents.
@ilv2cutb
@ilv2cutb 28 дней назад
The most recognized face for those that watch the air disasters documentary shows. Greg is a legend. Such a devastating and traumatic accident in Brazil. God comfort their families
@nicoroz6912
@nicoroz6912 28 дней назад
Mr. Feith has always had my utter respect ever since I was a kid and things haven’t changed. This man is a legend and his amount of knowledge is mind boggling. It’s always a treat to hear him speak.
@Chris_0803
@Chris_0803 28 дней назад
This man is so universally loved and respected
@Plisken65
@Plisken65 28 дней назад
And he doesn't play the guitar!
@Jeff-ow1qq
@Jeff-ow1qq 28 дней назад
He makes flying safer with his research and wisdom!
@Take-a-Stand
@Take-a-Stand 28 дней назад
His vast experience and exposure to event analysis makes him a highly valued person worth respecting and listening to.
@charlespoe1306
@charlespoe1306 28 дней назад
@@Plisken65 what do you mean by that i am new at these videos but i know of this aviation investigator retired that his
@Plisken65
@Plisken65 28 дней назад
@charlespoe1306 there is another RU-vidr pilot that analyzes crashes with a giant ego and always finds a way to insert video of himself playing music. To each their own, I guess.
@MarkJoseph-vv4pj
@MarkJoseph-vv4pj 29 дней назад
Familiar with Mr. Feith's career since I was a kid. He does an excellent analysis of breaking the problem down into parts without losing sight of the big picture. RIP to the crew and passengers of VoePass Flight 2283.
@DrVictorVasconcelos
@DrVictorVasconcelos 28 дней назад
It's such a nightmare to have so many videos of it as well. I can't imagine watching my family members die from so many angles. Coroner's report says the cause of death of everyone inside was polytraumatism from the impact (at 440 km/h, if I recall correctly).
@pandksfarm3761
@pandksfarm3761 26 дней назад
Did you grow up watching him on Mayday like I did?? What a great commentary on the event
@andrewcharley1893
@andrewcharley1893 21 день назад
​@@pandksfarm3761, I think Greg was on the documentary series named Blackbox🤔way back in the day.I remember thinking how Kool this guy was with how he explained everything.
@pandksfarm3761
@pandksfarm3761 20 дней назад
@@andrewcharley1893 I’m not familiar with that one, I’ll have to check it out. Thank you!
@rixxy9204
@rixxy9204 28 дней назад
This guy is a legend in the NTSB. Any feedback he provides is important for people to listen to.
@Great-Documentaries
@Great-Documentaries 28 дней назад
He's a legend on Air Crash Investigation/Mayday. And he has a channel here with Todd Curtis discussing air safety.
@mikepxg6406
@mikepxg6406 28 дней назад
You cant beat a Leg End
@DrVictorVasconcelos
@DrVictorVasconcelos 28 дней назад
​​@@mikepxg6406Well, unfortunately for him airplanes don't care about him anymore. They're doing away with all the leg... space. I'll see myself out.
@Tazjet100
@Tazjet100 23 дня назад
Why? CVR tape already disproves icing. CO-pilot was distressed demanding more power Aircraft had known hydraulic problems. Low hydraulic pressure activated Hotel mode in flight -problem solved.
@Deadsurfr
@Deadsurfr 26 дней назад
As a major airline pilot,I must say this, as tragic as it is, was a refreshing overview. Very professional and non bias
@AWXPlays
@AWXPlays 28 дней назад
having watched air crash investigation videos growing up, it's great seeing a familiar face explaining the situation. He is absolutely the right person to talk about the incident.
@gdwnet
@gdwnet 28 дней назад
Greg Feith was lead investigator for the roselawn crash. If anyone is an expert on ATR crashes and aircraft safety it is this man.
@ImionsaeXwb77
@ImionsaeXwb77 28 дней назад
This dude is Legendary........
@Darkvirgo88xx
@Darkvirgo88xx 28 дней назад
Thank you for reminding me of his last name. I thought that was him. He has investigated tons of big time aviation accidents. I remember seeing him in Air Disaster episodes.
@macaltime2
@macaltime2 28 дней назад
i saw the thumbnail and before i clicked I yelled out thats feith from the investigation series on discovery! good stuff he has a lot of closet fans lol
@antoniosoares2947
@antoniosoares2947 28 дней назад
Greg Feith is the rigth man for this mission no doubts about that" Being a Senior Expert, in this approach he is indeed offering his services to the Brazilian Authorities. And, he is completly imparcial, being a foreign, outsider element. If the Brazilian Authorities want to know really what happened, call Greg Feith for the job.
@richoloughlin8312
@richoloughlin8312 28 дней назад
Nobody better than Greg. Incredible at explaining complicated scenarios in common terms.
@janethefriend-awakened33
@janethefriend-awakened33 22 дня назад
he explains things in a way that is easily understandable by the general public. i like that as well.
@mahos-c9f
@mahos-c9f 28 дней назад
On that plane there was a 5-year-old girl who was traveling with her father to spend Father's Day together (last Sunday was Father's Day here in Brazil), when the firefighters went to collect the bodies, the two were hugging each other. There was also a Venezuelan child who was with a puppy, all of them were found charred (including the dog itself), all the passengers were found charred. This accident was very tragic and much heavier than you guys imagine and the families are devastated, there were many people whose dreams were interrupted and they lost their lives. At this moment there is not much to ask questions or question because unfortunately we do not have all the answers, just pray for the families, friends and loved ones of the victims, Please pray for the families! 🙏 I wish everyone reading this a great day/night and good health always!
@ZeeZee9
@ZeeZee9 28 дней назад
Just horrible!
@gordonbergslien30
@gordonbergslien30 28 дней назад
This info shook me. I am on the outer edge of the aviation community. I've never witnessed a crash or been at a crash scene. God willing, I never will.
@530MAIDU
@530MAIDU 28 дней назад
😢💔🐶🙏🏽🇧🇷
@Aprilsraven629
@Aprilsraven629 28 дней назад
This is horrific, the only blessing is they would have died before hitting the ground , its very unlikely they were conscious and posses conscious awareness for longer than a few seconds as oxygen deprivation takes your life within seconds of it occurring ... the people and they way they were found, was as a result of the fire, they were deceased at the time ...
@legitbeans9078
@legitbeans9078 28 дней назад
😭
@noahcorneliustv
@noahcorneliustv 28 дней назад
Greg Feith single-handedly made aviation safer over his 20 year career. His input on this crash should be heeded and held to a very high standard. That’s how good this guy is. Also, shoutout all my Mayday/Air Crash Investigation/Seconds from Disaster fans! Go Greg go!
@craig7083
@craig7083 28 дней назад
Greg Feith is a tough no nonsense investigator. His clarity on the subject is miles above the rest. Got to meet at Oshkosh Airventure several years ago. He’s a down to earth, likable guy. Respect!
@Chishannicon
@Chishannicon 28 дней назад
Love this guy on Mayday. Not only was he great at his job as an investigator, but he also knows how to explain it to people like me who have very little knowledge of aviation or physics.
@neilknight2379
@neilknight2379 28 дней назад
"The simple principle of accident investigations is you gotta ask why questions until you run out of why questions." Exactly. That is why Greg is one of the greatest to ever investigate air crashes. All the best investigators work this way.
@JoaoSilva22222
@JoaoSilva22222 28 дней назад
As a Brazilian it was good to listen to some unbiased foreign opinion.
@fritzkatz
@fritzkatz 26 дней назад
absolutely cannot trust corrupt biased CENIPA
@michaelskinner896
@michaelskinner896 28 дней назад
Greg's first NTSB investigation where he was in charge was the crash of ValuJet 592 in May, 1996. He's been doing this all his life, and yes he's a great communicator.
@jeffestrada6857
@jeffestrada6857 28 дней назад
I recognise this man from past Aircraft Investigations on TV. I always found him to be a very good communicator and easy to listen to. Thank you 👍
@ArturVarejao
@ArturVarejao 28 дней назад
This was 100km from my house. A shock for us. Brazilian aviation is cinsidered very secure, we did not have accidents since 2007 in commercial aviation...
@Afuru1
@Afuru1 28 дней назад
Yeah, it was also 1,000km from my house. It was right here on earth.
@ArturVarejao
@ArturVarejao 28 дней назад
@@Afuru1 yeah... Within your 100kmd radius bull eye
@DrVictorVasconcelos
@DrVictorVasconcelos 28 дней назад
​​@@Afuru1Do you live in Brazil? Anywhere within a radius of 1,000 km of the crash site is either Brazil or Paraguay. If you want to be out of Brazil for good you need a radius of 3,500 km.
@aroldomarcospereiraprimo6156
@aroldomarcospereiraprimo6156 27 дней назад
Brasileiro é chato fica escrevendo comentários em inglês em canais estrangeiros pra chamar atenção de estrangeiros que estão pouco ae importando com acidentes no Brasil
@ArturVarejao
@ArturVarejao 27 дней назад
@@aroldomarcospereiraprimo6156 uai, mas pq o chat está em inglês. Se estivesse em português escreveria em português.
@Clarc86
@Clarc86 28 дней назад
It’s hard to imagine someone providing a better explanation than this.
@michael.forkert
@michael.forkert 28 дней назад
I’m Brazilian. That’s the best information I’ve got. Thank you.
@erikhaack4123
@erikhaack4123 28 дней назад
So what
@michael.forkert
@michael.forkert 28 дней назад
@@erikhaack4123 _99% of the Brazilian journalists are PhDs in BStology. That’s what, silly._
@antoniosouza1978
@antoniosouza1978 27 дней назад
Nobody cares where you from 😉
@erikhaack4123
@erikhaack4123 27 дней назад
@@antoniosouza1978 exactly
@michael.forkert
@michael.forkert 24 дня назад
@@antoniosouza1978 _How do you know that nobody cares where I come from? Have you interviewed all nobodies existent to reach that stupid conclusion?_
@DrVictorVasconcelos
@DrVictorVasconcelos 26 дней назад
UPDATE 15 AUG <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="654">10:54</a> GMT: "The transcript of the conversations between the pilot and co-pilot was prepared by the Flight Recorder Data Reading and Analysis Laboratory of Cenipa. The transcript is approximately two hours long. Investigators say that the preliminary analysis of the material indicates that the ATR 72-500 lost altitude suddenly and that, based on the analysis of the cockpit audio alone, it is not possible to identify an apparent cause for the crash. Upon realizing that the plane was losing lift, co-pilot Humberto de Campos Alencar e Silva asked the pilot what was happening. He said that it was necessary to increase power in an attempt to stabilize the aircraft and prevent it from falling. The recording, which ends with screams, confirms that only one minute passed between the loss of altitude and the plane hitting the ground. Analysts say that they did not identify any characteristic warning sounds, such as those indicating fire, electrical failure or engine failure." (CBN/Globo)
@alemswazzu
@alemswazzu 26 дней назад
Listening to black boxes has to be a horrible job.
@terripebsworth9623
@terripebsworth9623 23 дня назад
I wonder if this plane can be manipulated (remotely?) to experience a sudden drop in altitude like that. Or was there a weird weather anomaly? Clearly both engines were operable. That plane had a very interesting passenger list. Perhaps that offers a clue.
@mikelee3316
@mikelee3316 22 дня назад
@@terripebsworth9623 oh please…
@an-cx1ho
@an-cx1ho 22 дня назад
they're looking in the wrong direction. they should look at the passenger list
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 21 день назад
Increasing Power (or at least trying it) would indicate Icing - Speed is Life in an Icing Event.
@ammbr
@ammbr 27 дней назад
The clarity of the train of thoughts is amazing with this man. Oratory impecable, ppl commenting should learn with this one. 👏 Respect to this very wise sir.
@CarlosAlexandre-fl2ut
@CarlosAlexandre-fl2ut 28 дней назад
Very professional. The best analysis yet...
@marysisak2359
@marysisak2359 28 дней назад
From one teacher to another, you are an excellent teacher. I would love to take a course from you on all the crashes you have investigated.
@carlasouza5306
@carlasouza5306 28 дней назад
Fyi: the flight recorders are 100% maintained and they extract everything. Also, CENIPA agents are fantastic investigators. I have full trust and respect for their work. The preliminary reports comes out in one month.
@juanmanuelgomezmartinez3795
@juanmanuelgomezmartinez3795 28 дней назад
Hello. Be aware of ATR. ATR72 has a lot of flaws not only ICE. ATR wants airplanes flying. Hide things. I saw that in investigations before. BE AWARE
@richardkudrna7503
@richardkudrna7503 22 дня назад
Is it permitted to dispatch with inoperative CVR? Are they 30 day MEL?
@juanmanuelgomezmartinez3795
@juanmanuelgomezmartinez3795 22 дня назад
@@richardkudrna7503 Hello. Master MEL for sure. Depend of company MEL
@Great-Documentaries
@Great-Documentaries 28 дней назад
Greg Feith is a legend on Air Crash Investigation/Mayday, a real-life pilot who has appeared in a TV movie about a crash, and a former NTSB investigator. And he has a channel here with Todd Curtis discussing air safety.
@windwardpro
@windwardpro 21 день назад
REALLY well done. Tons of great information. No dragging it out. No bull$*^t. No fake AI voices. No dramatic pauses in a word- no "ayy's" and "thee's". No cuts every 5 words. In other words, professional, intelligent, and classy- unlike a lot of RU-vid these days.
@zekeonstormpeak4186
@zekeonstormpeak4186 28 дней назад
I was lucky enough to have Greg as one of my instructors at Metro State College of Denver. It was a NTSB class, and he was probably fairly new with the board. This was probably around 1983.
@530MAIDU
@530MAIDU 28 дней назад
Wow…40 years is a wealth of knowledge. 👍🏽
@monkeybusiness1999
@monkeybusiness1999 28 дней назад
This is the straightest, clearest explanation of what was witnessed & debated the past few days. Esp stalls not soley being caused by engine issues & failures, by definition. Sadly, you can hear the propellers operating right up until the crash. And I'd like to believe the pilots were doing everything they could to come out of this catastrophic situation.
@phanoonki
@phanoonki 28 дней назад
Yeah i could hear that too. It sounded like they were out of their depth after icing on the wings
@monkeybusiness1999
@monkeybusiness1999 28 дней назад
@phanoonki Read an article today about this particular plane's mechanical issues - it was grounded many times for repairs & re-repairs the past year. The day before the crash passengers complained about AC problems & "unbearable heat." Odd, because temps at 20K+ feet should be fairly cool. A little stifling, maybe, but hot?
@tonydanza6406
@tonydanza6406 28 дней назад
So horrible the way these people died in an airplane in a spiral way down I hope they find out what happened so that it will never happen again
@bobbyg9662
@bobbyg9662 28 дней назад
The terrible fear they most likely had to endure! So Sad
@mura0
@mura0 28 дней назад
that airplane model must be retired. There has been more than 60 accidents since its introduction in 1989. More than 470 people have perished in those airplanes.
@None-zc5vg
@None-zc5vg 28 дней назад
It's an inadequate design for coping with icing: the flying-surfaces can't shed ice as it builds up, destroying lift and reducing the efficiency of the controls. All the redundancy has been designed-out of these so-smart modern-day airliners: many of them don't even "look right".
@Blowinshiddup
@Blowinshiddup 23 дня назад
I've seen Greg on "Mayday" and other programs dealing with air crashes. His ability to explain things in clear terms is valuable to learning from mistakes.
@muffs55mercury61
@muffs55mercury61 15 дней назад
Yep a non-pilot can learn a lot from him.
@antonysmith9173
@antonysmith9173 28 дней назад
Greg Feith that man REALLY knows what he is talking about. I remember seeing him play a first officer in a TV film called 'Crash, the mystery of flight 1501'. R.I.P to all the passengers and crew onboard that aircraft 🙏😔
@rrs1912
@rrs1912 29 дней назад
According to Brazilian authorities they have already been able to recover data at data recorders.
@danielcovolo6404
@danielcovolo6404 28 дней назад
I was going to post that, they already have the black boxes
@FarmSimGuy23
@FarmSimGuy23 28 дней назад
That's not new They always find black boxes within a day or 2
@TheCudlitz
@TheCudlitz 28 дней назад
​@@FarmSimGuy23 OP didn't say "find". He said recover. Meaning the data was readable.
@muffs55mercury61
@muffs55mercury61 28 дней назад
Yes nowadays the recorders have motherboards that can simply be plugged in and listened to and read.
@emanuelbinder4263
@emanuelbinder4263 28 дней назад
Yes, Brazilian investigation body CENIPA has confirmed both boxes are in good condition to retrieve data and voice.
@robertmendez7376
@robertmendez7376 29 дней назад
Best Review on this accident so far. You did a great Job on investigating my Airlines accident at AE on 10/31/94.
@malumello17
@malumello17 28 дней назад
Almost 30 years and it happened again. 😢
@Turd_Furgeson
@Turd_Furgeson 28 дней назад
​@@malumello17Because the tail design is horrible and ATR never fixed it.
@justinp_
@justinp_ 28 дней назад
Have a feeling the recorders for this flight is going to be haunting...
@thiagooo2096
@thiagooo2096 28 дней назад
With the new rules and laws, recordings will not be made available to the public.
@bfe2023
@bfe2023 28 дней назад
@@thiagooo2096 Ofc they will.
@wendel9821
@wendel9821 28 дней назад
​@@thiagooo2096 But they will be transcribed in the accident report.
@FarmSimGuy23
@FarmSimGuy23 28 дней назад
You should see the video of it
@x_zubrance
@x_zubrance 27 дней назад
Although older, I recognised him straight away, and all that confidence and knowledge still so apparent..such a pleasure to listen to such a talented communicator!
@JosephNderitu-d8q
@JosephNderitu-d8q 24 дня назад
Greg Feith demonstrates he is true expert by explaining complex stuff in such a simple manner that we, the non-experts, understand exactly what he is talking about. Very refreshing to hear from him.
@Grudeman408
@Grudeman408 28 дней назад
Greg is the most knowledgeable aviation accident investigator I know of! He's an expert in his field and a gentleman. Rip to the victims tragic accident ❤️
@Harry-gf7ox
@Harry-gf7ox 28 дней назад
He’s really aged !!
@Bruce.-Wayne
@Bruce.-Wayne 28 дней назад
Spent enough years on this earth, everyone will age at some point or another
@chipsawdust5816
@chipsawdust5816 28 дней назад
How many do you know of? :)
@aumarigan
@aumarigan 28 дней назад
If you're a fan of NGC Air Crash Investigations, you know who this man is.
@grabasandwich
@grabasandwich 28 дней назад
Also known as Mayday 😊
@jaipena3351
@jaipena3351 28 дней назад
Love this guy. Watched him for years . He’s so knowledgeable, professional and level headed No BS about him He’s the type we need to keep on aviation’s safety at any cost !
@wahiawamang6622
@wahiawamang6622 28 дней назад
I’ve watched this guy for decades. Very knowledgeable.👍🏻👍🏻
@Caracaraorangeberry
@Caracaraorangeberry 22 дня назад
A flat spin going down has to be the most horrifying experience in an airliner crash.
@athgt6630
@athgt6630 28 дней назад
Greg Feith, one of the best investigators out there, I remember your meticulous work on flight 1420. Huge respect Sir
@muffs55mercury61
@muffs55mercury61 28 дней назад
I live in Arkansas and remember that one very well.
@muffs55mercury61
@muffs55mercury61 15 дней назад
My home state since 1990. That crash will always be remembered here.
@TheBeagle58
@TheBeagle58 28 дней назад
Best accident investigator ties worn and, top notch explanations in these investigation ever! Kudos Mr. Feith.
@PatrickLigocki
@PatrickLigocki 29 дней назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="92">1:32</a> Thanks to brilliant NTSB investigators like Mr Firth, flying (especially in the good old USA) is so unbelievably safe. NTSB, though a government agency, is almost unforgivably underrated. Praise them for their FABULOUS record of finding the causes for the accident, and working tirelessly to ensure ANOTHER accident does not occur.
@JoaoPedro-ko4qi
@JoaoPedro-ko4qi 28 дней назад
In Brazil we have CENIPA who also does an amazing job keeping us safe in the skies. Because of them Brazil was 17 years without any major incidents (Since TAM 3054).
@sleepingsealproductions
@sleepingsealproductions 28 дней назад
He has a podcast, Flight Safety Detectives, and he often points out that the NTSB is understaffed and underfunded and we need to insist that our government do better.
@consortiumxf
@consortiumxf 28 дней назад
@@sleepingsealproductions That and the quality of the investigations/reports being done by the NTSB today are, for the most part, severely lacking.
@muffs55mercury61
@muffs55mercury61 28 дней назад
The NTSB is one of the few federal agencies that I have a positive opinion of. Sometimes they want to blame the dead pilots for it when it's not always true. The "why" questions Mr Feith refers to often answers many questions.
@chipsawdust5816
@chipsawdust5816 28 дней назад
@@consortiumxf On what are you basing that opinion?
@BellaRio2
@BellaRio2 28 дней назад
It's Greg Feith! Yes, he was on many Air Crash Investigation show episodes offering insight. It was hard to watch how that plane just fell out of the sky. RIP to all on board and condolences to their families.
@nysockexchange2204
@nysockexchange2204 28 дней назад
Holy cow the "Roselawn" investigator himself! You saved a lot of lives with that one. I wouldn't be surprised if you received a call from Brazil soon.
@gordy3714
@gordy3714 28 дней назад
Greg is not in the media enough, he should be on Podcasts.
@grabasandwich
@grabasandwich 28 дней назад
Someone commented that he has one, Flight Safety Detectives! 😊
@enumrob
@enumrob 28 дней назад
@@grabasandwich Yes, That's exactly what its called. Two other retired veteran investigators are on the podcast also. They were featured on AIR DISASTERS same as Greg was on.
@JohnnyDanger36963
@JohnnyDanger36963 28 дней назад
he's not DEi !!
@usdepartmentofthetreasury489
@usdepartmentofthetreasury489 28 дней назад
And news channels
@patrickoleary2862
@patrickoleary2862 24 дня назад
​@@grabasandwichBrilliant thanks so much for the heads up/ 100% gonna subscribe to that podcast!! 🙏
@annsheridan12
@annsheridan12 28 дней назад
There was a severe icing warning where the plane was flying.
@_lcfiorini
@_lcfiorini 28 дней назад
Yes, other pilots flying in the same area reported this. This is among the busiest Brazilian airspaces.
@jovram8980
@jovram8980 28 дней назад
If there was icing, then this needs to be looked at carefully. ATR and ice don’t mix well.
@AxmihaMeuSaco
@AxmihaMeuSaco 27 дней назад
@@jovram8980 I even heard an ATR pilot say it's not allowed to go into severe icing.
@THADEUS-md6wv
@THADEUS-md6wv 27 дней назад
Don't ATR's have in-built de-icing on the wings or its technologyis too old?
@sara.othman
@sara.othman 27 дней назад
@@THADEUS-md6wv I’m not sure, but if the pitot tubes were frozen (even if the wings werent), there may have been an unreliable airspeed issue in the cockpit, similar to air france 447
@JollyDeacs11
@JollyDeacs11 28 дней назад
Mr. Greg Feith is a brilliant communicator and knows not only aviation but also aerospace technology very well! After his work with Value Jet, Flight 592, 1996, I followed his work within the NTSB. For this tragic flight, I was very sad to see how this plane crashed and that those poor passengers were probably terrified for quite some time. The pilot was young and enthusiastic and really seemed to absent of recklessness. Tragic in every way.
@nzmarty
@nzmarty 25 дней назад
Great commentary. I fly an ATR for a job and had a previous career as an engineer maintaining them. Pleasing to see someone stating facts and laying the situation out clearly. No conjecture or guessing. 'The facts will speak for themselves'. Those of us at the pointy end of this aircraft are watching any outcomes with interest. We have our suspicions, but they will be kept silent until a formal investigation is complete.
@747heavyboeing3
@747heavyboeing3 28 дней назад
Greg Faith was an excellent investigator for the NTSB for decades. SOLID
@vashtieramcharan1827
@vashtieramcharan1827 29 дней назад
Thanks Mr.Feith for information given, my son and I always love looking at your documentaries on airplanes investigations ✈️many love ♥️from Trinidad🇹🇹 in the Caribbean great to see and hear from you again 👌condolences to the families and friends of those precious souls that has been lost RIP 🙏🙏
@andrewpeak1124
@andrewpeak1124 28 дней назад
Needs his own channel!
@consortiumxf
@consortiumxf 28 дней назад
He has one! Flight Safety Detectives
@consortiumxf
@consortiumxf 28 дней назад
@@grabasandwich Flight Safety Detectives, not Air Safety Detectives
@grabasandwich
@grabasandwich 28 дней назад
@@consortiumxf my bad. I deleted it 😊
@consortiumxf
@consortiumxf 28 дней назад
@@grabasandwich It's all good. I'm just a huge Greg Feith nerd/fan 🤣
@madingthree
@madingthree 28 дней назад
This guy is basically a celebrity in the ACI community
@magicalcat2000
@magicalcat2000 26 дней назад
Having pilots trained to respond to these scenarios should not be the answer to these accidents. Cancelling a flight due to weather in order to save lives should be the answer.
@alemswazzu
@alemswazzu 26 дней назад
So, just not train pilots to recover from issues? What about when the weather is good?. Two completely independent factors.
@magicalcat2000
@magicalcat2000 26 дней назад
@@alemswazzu No, clearly pilots need to be trained to react to these scenarios. However, a company should not proceed with conducting flights through bad weather with certain aircraft frames susceptible to icing more than other platforms merely because the pilots are trained to react to a flat spin. The company is making the broad assumption that because the pilot is trained, the icing and the bad weather are completely countered.
@coolasice2187
@coolasice2187 29 дней назад
Good to see Greg and Mary Shiavo still going.
@user-py7mm4jj9k
@user-py7mm4jj9k 29 дней назад
Where is mary schiavo
@chipsawdust5816
@chipsawdust5816 28 дней назад
Greg yes, Mary not so much. Bit of a self-promoting blowhard.
@rogerwhennell5156
@rogerwhennell5156 28 дней назад
This man was always brilliant on the Air Crash Investigations TV show - can listen to him for hours. Highly informative and straightforward.
@lindawillis2746
@lindawillis2746 29 дней назад
Very good explanation...thank you....
@martinluke9470
@martinluke9470 28 дней назад
Both boxes recovered. The pilot had 5000+ hours, all on the ATR.
@robertidania5515
@robertidania5515 28 дней назад
This guy is the authority in air crash investigations. I always enjoy watching his contributions to the shows on air disasters. He’s very well informed and concise.
@NAYF76
@NAYF76 29 дней назад
Much respect Mr Feith. Admirable presentation.
@Wfaa8
@Wfaa8 28 дней назад
Glad you enjoyed the interview!
@themister3865
@themister3865 28 дней назад
This Former NTSB investigator was very knowledgeable and informative.
@PabloDezon
@PabloDezon 28 дней назад
Hi, Greg. I’ve flown the ATR 72 for almost 5 years. In my opinion, in about 2016, the ATR REMOVED the 3 most important steps to deal with SEVERE ICING from the Memory Items 1) Hold Control Wheel firmly and turn the AP OFF; 2) Descend!!! and 3) Notify the ATC (later).
@danielsnook5029
@danielsnook5029 28 дней назад
Curious if the AP kicked off and handed the startled pilots a severely out of trim AC.🤔
@redbird444
@redbird444 28 дней назад
I assume that is still a described procedure though, just not listed as a “memory” item, yes? I have 7,000 hours in ATR’s and those procedures were a result of the Roselawn accident at my then airline. Even the 737 I fly now requires disconnection of the autopilot in severe icing conditions in addition to prohibiting holding in icing conditions with flaps extended. .
@olasek7972
@olasek7972 28 дней назад
I heard the sky was clear when and where the aircraft was flying, perhaps this accident is not related to icing at all.
@DeltaTBP
@DeltaTBP 28 дней назад
@@olasek7972other aviators have reported heavy icing that day
@redbird444
@redbird444 28 дней назад
@@olasek7972 Certainly possible. But, when an ATR departs controlled flight in stable cruise while supposedly operating in potentially severe icing conditions, it’s understandable the first thought is an icing-related issue initiated the accident sequence.
@magnusdunning6113
@magnusdunning6113 27 дней назад
The most uncomfortable and loud aircraft I’ve ever flown. Even worse IMO than the C130s I rode on while in the military.
@angelarich8455
@angelarich8455 25 дней назад
I don’t think it’s appropriate aircraft to fly over that kind of terrain just as a layperson I’d never get on one
@richardkudrna7503
@richardkudrna7503 22 дня назад
Try AN-26.
@magnusdunning6113
@magnusdunning6113 22 дня назад
@@richardkudrna7503 I haven't, thats why I said what I said.
@richardkudrna7503
@richardkudrna7503 22 дня назад
I remember C-130 flights coming in and the guys being very very thirsty after 10 hours unpressurized flight. Correction: C-130 are pressurized, not sure how I messed that up.
@magnusdunning6113
@magnusdunning6113 22 дня назад
@@richardkudrna7503 Other than when we had an Airborne operation, the C130s were always pressurized...but the air was EXTREMELY dry as you mention.
@consortiumxf
@consortiumxf 28 дней назад
It's REALLY unfortunate the video description does not mention Mr. Feith's podcast, *Flight Safety Detectives.* Him and John Goglia (or 'The Cogfather' as I call him 😊) provide so much great information and education. FYI: John Goglia is the *first and only* Airframe and Powerplant mechanic to receive a *presidential appointment* to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). Speaks volumes of his knowledge and skills.
@susanellis7780
@susanellis7780 28 дней назад
Greg got me obsessed with air crash investigation😊
@danielmrtns
@danielmrtns 28 дней назад
He’s a great communicator, thanks for the insights.
@miketel01
@miketel01 28 дней назад
Greg Feith - Always on Mayday. Very Very well spoken and excellent at message delivery. It was a pleasure to be educated in this video.
@tonypilot1000
@tonypilot1000 25 дней назад
Mr Greg Feith is one of most experienced investigators former NTSB. GREG YOU ARE THE BEST. God bless you.
@linkedinfred
@linkedinfred 28 дней назад
Great to hear Greg's views on this accident. He is a leading authority from the NTSB. I remember he led the investigation into the Valuejet crash in the Everglades. Years ago I trained as a pilot and part of that training involved incipient spin and spin recoveries, but we never trained for flat spinning. As Greg mentioned we all want answers as to why this aircraft crashed, but it is important to let the authorities do a methodical investigation which could take time.
@elchicano65
@elchicano65 28 дней назад
Mr. Feith, I have the highest regard for your analytical skills and forthrightness. A true professional. Thank you, Sir.....
@LeftUnderSounds
@LeftUnderSounds 28 дней назад
This guy is immense.
@YANKYVICTOR
@YANKYVICTOR 28 дней назад
I remember him since ValueJet crash in Miami (1996) Top investigator!🔥🔥🔥🔥
@davidwolf226
@davidwolf226 28 дней назад
I've always appreciated Greg Feith's clear-cut analysis of this subject matter. His contributions to the NTSB, over the years, were superb from what I can tell. Personally, I've always thought that the wing design of this ATR is insufficient. I would NEVER fly on this aircraft given its crash history.
@DrRodneyMcDermott
@DrRodneyMcDermott 27 дней назад
Greg is outstanding. A wealth of genuine knowledge. Such a brilliant speaker.
@digitalevidenceexpert7964
@digitalevidenceexpert7964 28 дней назад
I've been an instructor at the NTSB Academy in the past. This video says a lot without saying much. Basically this video describes the process of investigating the crash but at present there isn't enough information that has been made public yet.
@grabasandwich
@grabasandwich 28 дней назад
Yeah, I'm not a very eloquent speaker, but he seems like one of the best. Some people in high ranking positions in the world (wink, wink) just spew non-stop verbal diarrhea!
@lordjim3109
@lordjim3109 28 дней назад
Listening to him you might think no door ever fell off any Air Alaska plane, no faulty systems were ever installed on any planes manufactured in the United States, no wheel ever dropped from an American aircraft, and the list can go on and on: in short, we live in a perfect world (of aviation).
@grabasandwich
@grabasandwich 28 дней назад
@@lordjim3109 How so? I watched Mayday on TV for years, and all the NTSB Investigators went into great detail about potential and ultimate causes of each crash.
@stevenc8140
@stevenc8140 28 дней назад
Greg Fife has enormous experience to draw from. He’s on many of the Smithsonian Air Disaster show. Thank you Greg!
@josiahbutler2254
@josiahbutler2254 28 дней назад
For anyone wondering why the plane didnt glide down. When your in a flat spit, there is little to no air flowing over the control surfaces such as the ailerons or elevators to bank or pitch the plane, with no control surfaces your out of lift completely and you will fall out of the sky instead of gliding. If they were in full spin, the nose will already be pitched down and there will be enough airflow to go over the control surfaces, they can recover from a full spin. In larger planes that are way heavier, they are not designed to quickly get out of a flat spin due to the weight, they are commercial jets, not fighter jets.
@_lcfiorini
@_lcfiorini 28 дней назад
I understand, but even as the flat spin progresses towards the ground the crew seems completely inactive. Wouldn't the speedness halfway into the descent be enough to pitch the nose down in an attempt to regain control? This is the way this accident intrigues me. To me this is evidence there's more to this accident than frozen wings only. There's is a good comparison to be made with another famous filmed accident in a similar situation: the famous 747 departing from Bagram airfield in Afghanistan. It's quite clear the desperate attempt of the pilots to pitch the nose up after their catastrophic stall right after take off. They were not high enough, though, which sealed their terrible fate.
@txkflier
@txkflier 28 дней назад
@@_lcfiorini Ice not only accumulates on the wing, it also accumulates on the tail surfaces. Ice on the tail surfaces could move the plane's center of gravity toward the tail of the plane and make it so unstable that it can't be flown. The center of gravity must be about 25% of the wing's width (chord) back from the leading edge of the wing. Since the aspect ratio of the ATR's wing is 11:1 (wingspan:chord), it has a very narrow stable CG range. The ATR also has a very small horizontal stabilizer compared to other planes. Ice build-up on it will reduce its effectiveness.
@GeorgeMCMLIX
@GeorgeMCMLIX 25 дней назад
@@_lcfiorini- The Bagram 747 incident was a tragic case of cargo shifting. One of the military vehicles on board broke loose as the aircraft rotated and climbed. Not only did it dramatically alter the aircraft centre of balance aft, but also smashed into the cabin rear pressure bulkhead and subsequently fractured hydraulic lines to the elevators. At any altitude, in the condition it was in, the aircraft was virtually uncontrollable. Ironically the 747 did stall and, as all aircraft are designed to do, go nose down to aid recovery. As stated by several others, ice may have played a critical role in preventing the ATR from settling nose down. Hopefully the DFDR will shed light on this tragedy.
@mikelee3316
@mikelee3316 22 дня назад
@@_lcfiorini Noop… wouldn’t have mattered what height they were at ! the aircraft’s load of vehicles moved rapidly rearward on rotation and from that point recovery was impossible.
@_lcfiorini
@_lcfiorini 22 дня назад
@@mikelee3316, this is what I don't understand, because once the flat spin accelerates you start havin enough airflow to redirect the nose down and try to regain control with the rudders.
@johndonovan6840
@johndonovan6840 28 дней назад
From brazilian pilots I know, there was severe icing conditions in the area. One A320 pilot even posted a photo of his side window, with a very thick ice layer.
@pilotbum
@pilotbum 28 дней назад
Well said. I get so tired of the "internet speculation" and the RU-vid experts who have zero facts, talking as if they have investigative authority on the subject. They know nothing more than the rest of us but they sure have all the answers. This was a very thoughtful presentation of possibilities and things investigators will be focusing on.
@leinster22
@leinster22 28 дней назад
Greg is the ultimate professional in his field
@curiosidadesimportantes
@curiosidadesimportantes 28 дней назад
They found the Black Boxes and collected the data already and it looks like the data was intact. I just watched Brazilian authorities saying today, they are already looking into it.
@fernandoquevedo9344
@fernandoquevedo9344 28 дней назад
Excellent analysis, other pilots flying in the same area a litlle before the crash, have already reported "Severe Icing" there, alerting other pilots about it.
@tooshieg2059
@tooshieg2059 28 дней назад
Thank you Greg. A clear and concise explanation - as usual.
@lyolevrich
@lyolevrich 28 дней назад
Thank You so much.This is a high professional way to speak about an airplaine accident ! 🙏
@jlvandat69
@jlvandat69 28 дней назад
Flight data suggested autopilot was engaged prior to erratic movements and sudden decent + potentially icing conditions were encountered = probable case where icing occurred but was undetected by pilots due to "autopilot insulation". When AP was disengaged, the plane immediately makes very abrupt, difficult-to-control condition that includes a stall. The type of aircraft is "stall unfriendly", i.e., difficult to recover even in non-icing conditions and the plane went into a flat spin. Premature speculation, yes, but the scenario has become common.
@2760ade
@2760ade 28 дней назад
Most probably what happened, but the pilots should not have let the autopilot fly in known icing conditions!? That could be construed as pilot error!
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