What REALLY Caused the Tenerife Airport Disaster?! The WORST Aviation Accident in History 

All astronaut deaths were in the atmosphere, not in space.

@@trevorsmith7753 Soyuz 11 ?

Just awful. One of them was still warm when they pulled him out.

i'm pretty sure most plane crashes happen on the ground

@@fazza2104 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I read that as well. Super wild.

that explains his behaviour

​@@ashGT40true. Got too high on power.

​@@AnoNym-zi5ty Arrogance and 300 t flying machines seldom mix well.

Why is everyone ignoring that the pilot had the choice between rushing, court and staying at an airport where a terrorist attack just took place. It is basically choosing between three bad things and he decided to take the worst one under a chain of horrible events.

I once was on a commuter train during a prolonged delay, and happened to be seated adjacent to where one of the conductors was standing. I struck up a conversation with him, and eventually asked why we'd been sitting there for so long. This was the busiest rail corridor in the US, and such delays are rare. He told me that someone had deliberately walked out onto the track in front of another train, killing himself. I wasn't expecting that, but what really stuck with me was this: He said that he knew another engineer who had been involved in a similar incident. Someone had walked out onto the track well ahead of his train. He applied the emergency brake, but there was nowhere near enough distance to stop; commuter trains on this line go up to at least 79mph. The conductor told me that the experience of sitting there, watching over many seconds, powerless to do anything, as his train plowed right into this person absolutely wrecked this guy's life. He fell into a severe depression, and there was no way he'd ever drive a train again. Now, thinking of this disaster, I can't begin to imagine how the surviving crew felt.

​@@vokqeagreed he ruined that man's life for nothing if he really wanted to unalive he could have done it somewhere where nobody would be affected

Okay why do we have to keep changing words?? Why are we saying stupid things like “unalive”, or “ birthgivers”, and “ chestfeeders”. Can we not just stick to what they have always been!!

@@sarajanecordell2376 its so the comments aren't removed by RU-vid

@sarajanecordell2376 bud i know it's stupid but I don't want my comment removed.

Such an unfortunate incident, weather was poor, fog, rain, temps dropping. A very slow trek on the runway, could not see one another, the tower could not where any planes were. Unfortunate they did not have ground radar, if so, they could now exactly where they were. No centerline lighting, inoperatalbe. So many ifs, repeating myself, just take a look see at previous comments. So many lives lost, an incident that very well could have been a preventable one.

@@kay9549 ultimately the KLM pilot was most at fault

As an engineer, I understand how design evolves over time and you learn from your design being in use. You can never predict all scenarios, but I’m a bit taken aback by how so many accidents have made the airline industry evolve to be safer. Some of the changes should have been implemented from the start like clear taxiway markings. Such a basic item that might have helped avoid this collision. There will always be the human factor, but I just don’t understand how some basic design principles aren’t implemented until there is an accident.

@@daCubanaqt I actually just commented on several recent near misses, that could have ended in a similar fashion, which could easily be resolved with the implementation of a GPS System at all Airports, that would allow all pilots to see where other Airplanes are in the Airport, in relation to them, etc. This seems obvious to me, but as we all know, more often than not, changes aren't made until there is another accident and more loss of life.

Not too soon hopefully.

Godspeed...

Alllahhhhhh!

Pan Am was a great airline mismanaged to extinction.

Its a tragic event and you did the right thing by quitting Pan Am and pursued further education

Yea heard about this story

I was aboard a Cathay Pacific flight from HKG to Bangkok. On approach we were only meters above the runway when the Australian pilot violently pulled up...my neck cracked and there were some screams. It seems that a Thai Airways flight had been crossing our runway. We were only maybe 10 seconds from collision. The Aussie pilot announced through the loud speaker that we almost had a collision He was Very pissed off!

This is similar to pan am flight 103 the difference is the 103 exploded in the air

Was this landing in Zürich 97 or 98?

I had the the same thing happen in the early 90s in Florida. A PIC who is focused and situationally aware will be ready and react in a split second. Kudos to all of the talented hard working pilots.

No comments on a dono comment? Here you have one THANKS MAN ❤

I will certainly try not to! Thank you so much for your support and I appologize for my late reply!

​@@MentourPilotYour videos are amazing, subscribed

missed the orographic rainfall

I'm an EE and I couldn't agree more!!

He was too concerned about finishing the flight before mandatory downtime kicked in. Too sure of himself and of flight safety.

He was in a hurry. Perfectly understandable unless you are one of the innocent souls killed by his bad decisions

@@deeprollingriver52 Well they don't have opinions.... cause they're dead

Well being threatened with jail time seems quite silly, making pilots rush. Hope that's not still a thing ​@@mairhart

There's a reason why the term get-there-itis exists.

@@JamesDavy2009 NASA has its own version: "go fever"

Better to be late in this life than early in the next!

And in turn this means we should be not be an absolutist against people being late. Critical, yes, but not absolutist.

@@agps4418 And there's a karmic lesson from the American crew who mocked the Dutch captain, they are the ones who survived to live with the horrific memories. They probably never laughed at anything again.

Dear David, sir, @David_Alexander you are evidently one of history's heros, as well as a resource of primary source history. It was interesting to me when also just now reading about how your fearlessness in flying again, immediately, was not deemed consistent with PTSD - while, as a prior PTSD sufferer myself, this is now known to be one of the early symptoms of it. Could the Jeff Bridges movie Fearless have been influenced by your shared revelations of the delay in your apparent symptoms in that era? By the way, were there also further aircraft behind yours in the queue behind their refuelling? Either way I guess no 747 could in those days do a standing 180 degree turn without a tow-truck: it makes no sense to me that ATC insisted on their idea of a taxiing route! So ridiculous to allow two planes on the runway, even for a second! But, did you ever hear from the woman you saved? ✈

This was one hell of a bad accident, I can’t begin to imagine what you felt, heard & saw that day. I know that every crash is a lesson learned to ensure safer air travel. In fact, the documentary series, Air Crash Investigation helped me overcome my fear of flying. I hope some good came from this crash for you too. I look forward to reading your book, too All the best, from Australia

I was there also, but I was going down the steps of my aircraft as the crash happened. I astonished that anyone survived the crash, my experience of that day pales into insignificance by comparison to yours.

I have your book and it's an excellent, well written account that I couldn't put down - I recommend it to anyone interested in this terrible event. I hope you are continuing to do well, as the book indicates?

You have angels around you sir

I dont think there has to be completely authoritarian for the scenario to happen, as its not written rules that lead to that environment. I dont know if its bias from how its normally presented, but I think that Van Zanten's high regard and others not questioning his seniority, and the rules KLM had in place and him wanting to follow them are a large part of the fault. If that one rule hadnt been in his mind so strongly, and the penalty being so strict none of this would have likely happened.

@@witchy90210 The rules are designed to prevent pilots from being overworked and flying without enough rest. Many accidents in the past were caused by pilots being fatigued, or at least that played a major role. In this case the captain took off without receiving takeoff clearance, which is something that is extremely dangerous and has a high probability of causing an accident, as it did in this case. You seem to be suggesting that they should eliminate the work hours rule and go back to having tired and overworked pilots just because of what this one pilot did.

@@StevePemberton2 The other commenter didn't suggest that at all. That's a real "so you hate waffles?" response. There's a difference between having limits on flight time, which is obviously necessary, and exposing pilots to personal criminal liability for breaching the flight time restrictions, which is a terrible, counter-productive idea.

​@@CrownedWithLaurels You are correct they did not literally say that there should be no rules on work hours. In fact I am quite sure that if asked they would say that they are not against such rules. However rules without any type of enforcement or disincentive are more like guidelines, not laws. And yes I realize that the commenter is likely also not against having some type of disincentive or penalty, in fact they mentioned their opinion that the problem was “the penalty being so strict”. However that was an interesting choice of words, "strict", instead of severe which is what they likely meant. However either word gets to the heart of my point, because severity of punishment and strictness are very much related. It has to do with how important it is for the rule to be followed, i.e what are the possible consequences of someone ignoring the rule. In the case of airline travel it doesn't take much effort to imagine what those consequences might be. The suggestion of the commenter was that the work hours rule did not need to be so strictly enforced, which implies that it’s not quite so serious of an issue that someone needs to go to jail for it. I understand that viewpoint, and there is a valid argument whether criminal penalties are necessary, could other penalties be used such as suspension or demotion. But the other viewpoint on this is that hundreds of lives are depending on the fitness of the flight crew, so to what extent does the strictness of the rule need to be dialed back? And anyway it is extremely unlikely that the captain was worried about going to jail. For one simple reason, all the captain had to do was simply follow the directive given by the dispatcher and not take off from Las Palmas later then they were allowed to, however inconvenient that might be to him and his crew and passengers. Just like you likely don't worry about getting arrested for shoplifting every time you go to a store, because you know that all you have to do to avoid this is not stick something in your pocket or purse and walk out of the store without paying for it. Enforcement at a criminal level would likely occur only if a captain purposed refused to obey a time limit given to them, for example if the captain said to his flight crew, “That’s a stupid rule, I feel fine, we’re going now I don’t care what the rules say”. The pressure that the KLM captain felt, yes because of the rule, was the possibility of his plane getting stuck in Las Palmas overnight. But that is a normal situation for pilots to be in for many types of reasons. For example what if the time constraint was the Las Palmas airport curfew on takeoffs, i.e. a scenario where if they didn't get to Las Palmas soon enough there was a risk of not being able to take off prior to the nightly curfew. In that situation the captain would have felt the exact same pressure, and yet no one would be blaming the Tenerife accident on the inflexibility of the Las Palmas airport. Even if most curfews are solely for neighborhood noise reasons, not safety. The sensationalized idea of jail time for the captain is a red herring in my opinion that distracts from the more important issues in the Tenerife accident. I was replying to the specific commenter’s statement, _“If that one rule hadn’t been in his mind so strongly, and the penalty being so strict none of this would have likely happened.”_ This puts the majority of the blame for the accident on the rule, as if the captain should have been allowed to think that it would be okay to sometimes continue flying after exceeding the work hours limit, as long as they had a good reason for it. In fact this opinion has been stated by many other commentators on this topic. Even though the commenter here did not use those exact words, it is pretty clearly implied by the fact that they put the majority of the blame for the accident on the fact that the captain knew that he was not allowed to violate an important safety law. I don't buy that argument, and that is the opinion that I was expressing.

I guess I’m in the minority. I believe the fault rests entirely with VanZaten.😢

You should read the book "Collision on Tenerife The How and Why of the World's Worst Aviation Disaster " You'd like it.

no it was not, the Panam pilots were big mistake for backtracking and not exiting the C3.

@@danwebd4481 This was by far Van Zanten’s fault. Then it was the tower. The error on the part of the Pan Am pilots were minor compared to anything else.

@@danwebd4481 actually during the investigation the pan am would not have been able to initiate that turn, that's why they tried to continue on to the next taxiway, Charlie 4.

@@kay9549 not true, the turn was difficult but possible

We say in Spanish : Más vale un minuto en la vida que la vida en un minuto: A minute in life is better than life in a minute.

Dutch Jerk.

It wasn't so much an urge to get home to his family. It was more the strict rules the Dutch Government had put in place regarding hours flight crews were allowed to work. He wasn't to get home, yes. However, his overriding concern was getting into legal trouble for exceeding hours in the air as they would be flying back to the Netherlands after Los Palmas.

In Dutch we say "een ongeluk zit in een klein hoekje" - literally translates to "an accident sits in a small corner."

I was thinking the same thing. It's always better to take rest and postpone things rather than rush.

Probably ego. He was not going to ask the pilot who dared rush him get his fuel.

Impatience, arrogance and incompetence by the KLM Cap. He was responsible for ALL those deaths.

Yeah, the lack of simple communications seem like part of the problem. I'm sure that if you eliminated the controller, the Pan Am crew could have gotten through to the KLM captain what his own crew kept trying but failing to communicate, that they were still on the runway. My first question on hearing of accidents like this used to be whether the aircraft involved were on separate frequencies or not. Can't believe they are on the same ones but just don't hear the obvious.

It seems like the KLM captain, Van Zanten, thought he was above doing things like that. The impression I get is of a man who was full of his own self importance and king of his domain. That's why his first officer and flight engineer didn't say anything about what he was doing or question his actions. I'm pretty sure that they knew he was not following correct procedures and was in the wrong but didn't say that. If only they did. If only they had tried to overrule Van Zanten and took over the flight controls. Yes they might have been fired, but at least they would have still been alive to get another job. 583 people wouldn't have unnecessarily perished either. The fact that this disaster was so avoidable and unnecessary, and was due in a big part to someone's huge ego, is even worse.

Singer Willie Nelson: . . . and I know just what I'd change , if I went back in time somehow , but there is nothing I can do about it now.

yeah, really love his content but there was another video with faulty landing lights and countless obvious stuff which led to an accident in which people died, I had to click away cause my anger and axiety was on another level

It's like the final destination movies. So many wrong things happen that lead to disaster and there is no escape from it!

​@@abhinay.mylavarapufear Allah

​@@mb2776fear Allah

@@user-zt8gp8ls3d 😛

Learn how to speak your mind then. Just because you have a feeling doesn t mean i should listen to it, because most of the times is just a feeling. Articulate and maybe someone will listen. Even better, you can become that person that you speak about if you do the things right. Good luck!

Very sad and unnerving. A surviving Flight Attendant spoke to the professional investigator as to why many of the passengers remained seated in the American 747. The reason was that the oxygen in the casing was quickly consumed by the fire. The passengers basically fell unconscious. So thankfully they did not feel being burned to death.

do you know how I can find the talk that survivor gave?

It was the copilot that said this in another documentary video.

not lucky

@@microsoftuser4303 why are you here on this channel? You are weird.

"Error of fact", OK, but interpretation is by definition subjective. The only reason you think the other guy is making any error of interpretation is because he has a different interpretation than you. And he thinks the same the other way around. If it weren't a matter of opinion, it would be a matter of fact. "Error" doesn't really apply.

@@jursamaj Have you never noticed a fact being misreported?

@@philipsmith1990 Of course… and that would be an error of fact, not an error of interpretation.

​@@jursamaj Subjective doesn't mean every thing is correct. An interpretation often requires knowledge beyond the simple facts given to gain understanding, you have to understand the environment that is in. Tenerife for example is within the environment of the 1970's both in the environment of the islands (the reason behind the bombing), and the airline industry as a whole. There can also just be facts missing from an interpretation, either deliberately removed, not known about or not understanding the importance of. All of these can cause an interpretation to be incorrect, or just lacking.

@@GroundHOG-2010 Again, all those are errors of fact.

I thought CRM changed that.

​@@nina_ana333 Some countries still lag behind in CRM and some airlines too. It is much rarer today but it still exists. And sometimes CRM might be taught but not drilled as hard into pilots as in other places so 99% of pilots follow it but you got that 1% who think they are too smart for rules when in fact those rules are there because of idiots like them. Petter said it nicely once "Pilots who believe they are gods gift to aviation have no place on a modern flight deck." And it often is old experienced senior captains. So they grew up before CRM and don't see it as that essential than a young pilot who has never known anything different. It's why part of CRM is not just how to behave yourself but also how to deal with someone not displaying good CRM practices, for instance young FOs are strongly encouraged to speak up and even intervene if they feel it's needed for the safety of the aircraft. Humans are flawed and many procedures are designed to avoid the flaws of Savannah apes controlling 300 t steel birds at 300 knots. Checklists, lots of warning lights and indications like configuration alarm, if you drop the flaps to 20 or more without the gear down or engines on idle. But arrogance usually can't be easily corrected like someone being bad at stabilised approaches or handling upsets. These people don't belong in jetliners and most have been weeded out or have retired (or ended in fiery crashes). But a few dinosaurs are still left and especially in cultures where strong respect of elders and superiors is engrained these things still happen. Especially 20-30 years ago it happened a lot in some Asian airlines, typically senior experienced captain makes a mistake and the FO doesn't dare speak up because the captain had already yelled at them over some tiny mistake or behaved arrogantly... One crash you could tell the FO knew the Captain was crashing it but beyond one or two times making a suggestion (that would have saved everyone) they give up and await death. You gotta remember the people behind you and that they might not be ready to die rather than risking being yelled at again or fired. Which used happen. Junior pilot pisses of senior captain in management position fired (who often fly rarely and make more mistakes, they have to do extra training today because of that, while a junior pilot fresh out of training might actually be flying a lot better despite fewer hours).

Meanwhile, in the mind of such a pushy jerk in power: “Heh, look at how these NPCs have to scurry about for me to avoid confrontation. Like they're afraid of their own shadows. I bark a command and the universe bends to my will. This is the natural order of things.”

Let’s not speak ill of those who are no longer with us.

I can’t help but think that you might want to report that captain.

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I just want to say thank you for helping that poor girl have a sweet day at your school!!

Beautiful story in midst of tragedy. Love that your teacher brought his little girl and that you all loved her. Special place in heaven for people like you and your classmates. 💖🙏

I started Grammar school a year earlier,My Biology teacher lost his parents on the KLM flight,I still remember his disbelief and shock,when he informed us,we loved him more for the rest of our time with him.

do the know the ship name? Titanic?

😬

Wow, that's like a reverse Titanic situation. Very creepy and so very tragic.

@@Kiinell indeed. Apparently the people on the boat got more involved with activities and stuff

@@trollking202 Golden Odyssey (which otherwise had a fairly uneventful career I think)

The worst part of her story is that her friends/coworkers died in the incident, so she basically waved goodbye to them while pretending to board. While love saved her, I assume she still holds grief and guilt about not being able to save her friends.

Everyone made their own choices. Remember personal boundaries too.

@@kibaanazuka332 the only guilt she should hold is her friends saving her by not boarding. she wouldn't have saved them if she boarded. unless you apply the notion of "butterfly effect".

Sure she may feel bad, but I hope she has or will let go of any guilt. Boundaries? It saved her life. She now married. That sounds angry, I'm not. Its a typical feeling that she of course will or may feel bad but the general public should not but only of support of her own lose.

@@PurpleHaze4me Survivor's guilt is inherently illogical, that doesn't make it any less real or depressing. I have experienced a few very minor (not related to death) sets of survivor's guilt due to a number of circumstances in which those around me had something bad happen to them but I did not. It feels awful enough with such low stakes, and hard to shake too. I can only imagine how horrible it must feel in relation to actual death.

I know, it’s terrible the whole way though.,

Poor guy!

@Seth Blades No no, they married shortly after this incident.

That’s gotta be haunting. I mean he did nothing wrong. He in fact did the right thing and got the passengers back to their plane. You could never expect something like that.

Do you remember the name of the documentary? Sounds interesting. Although it is tragic how that airport worker was unknowingly directing the passengers to their death. Poor guy

petertarantelli yes the clipper of the skies, at that time, what a beautiful craft. Who could ever imagine for that time an upper level, very innovative for that era.

Yeah, he just made it sound dramatic. Well, this tragedy is the personification of drama, but you get my point. Just crossing a busy road can result in a chain event that gets you tossed.

@@hermespsychopompos8267 Quite true. That's what happened to Orson Bean and Margaret Mitchell - both senseless losses to entertainment and literature.

CRM

Apollo 13 was the same way - a chain of events that led to the oxygen tank exploding.

Yup

Jesus like the canada one?

That happened to me on my last flight when we were about to land. It didn't go up violently, but you could definitely feel it when it did. It was very sudden.

I was in Zurich when Swissair 111 went down in Peggy’s Cove. We had flown in on that beautiful plane the prior Sunday, the most sophisticated, cosmopolitan flight I’d ever been on. Our Swiss cousins from the Bay area were likewise in the air and due to land in Zurich that day. My Aunt went to meet them. (I can’t recall when exactly they were told of 111’s tragedy but I don’t think it was while they were still in the air.) Our host’s good friend had just retired from Swissair Administration and we all sat at the kitchen table while she agonized over the crash report. She was vehement that it could not be pilot error (and she was correct of course). That weekend we went to Geneva and the flags were half mast. The cathedral had just concluded a memorial mass with cameras with tiny votive candles for each victim from Geneva. 🙈 So, we got home safely and I have never flown again.

@@lizannewhitlow1085uhm you know there is therapy for that, right?

Thanks goodness for go arounds. Glad you guys are okay.

What is CRM ?

Crew Resource Management. The idea is to promote the philosophy and behaviours that will foster effective teamworking.

Yeap the Nuclear industry does the same, the safest industries are those that used to be the most dangerous haha.

imagine if we treated crime the same way. we could prevent future crime instead of just tossing those "guilty" into crime collage so the cops can justify expanding their budgets and powers. its a nice fantasy.

@@thecanadianfuhrer8602By prevent future crime, do you mean fighting against single motherhood (a significant factor in career criminality) and/or something else that correlates with crime, or do you mean something out of minority report?

Not to mention the Pan Am flight

Yes, it is very true until that accident questions are asked how and why it happened. From my own exoerience a sudden changed of weather in wind speed and cloud concentration, twice we landed in another island without live engine. Pilots were very experienced and one hour passed we took off to shelter our shelves before our flight to the scheduled destination. Again, we heed to. another island and we lost the two engines from running again. Curiousity , I. wonder around and ended opening the door leading to the captains galley ..and then. ? THE ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE AIR HOSTESS : All passengers please be seated and strap your seat belts as we glide landing. And so I did. go back to my seat and strap my seat belt. My plane was DC -48 a very. strong plane and. twice landed on HEAVY. STORM .. LANDED SAFELY WITHOUT ANY INJURED PASSENGER. FOR EVERY ACCIDENT OR. NEAR MISSES , THERE ARE REASONS UNKNOWN UNTILTHE IMPACT.. SAD BUT TRUE..🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰

I am very glad for you Danielle. So glad. I really do hope you are enjoying your wonderful life and love every day of it for what it is.

How quickly does the post in Las Palmas work for people to have heard of the tragedy, figure that you might be on the flight, wrote a letter, send it and have it delivered in the 30 minutes it takes for the flight from Tenerife to Las Palmas?

I'm trying to figure out what you're saying: so, your plane was one of the last of the redirected planes to arrive at Tenerife. And your plane was supposed to land right after the KLM had taken off, then get at the end of the line of the planes that were waiting to take off at that point - all of which would have landed at Las Palmas before your flight (had there been no bombing). Basically the ATC at Las Palmas decided to not let your plane "cut in line" just because you were in the air when Los Palmas ATC had resumed operations. Your pilot touched down - saw the wreckage/fire - then immediately executed a go around that ended up with you landing at Las Palmas.....having "cut in line" anyway, because of the crash. I'm not calling you a liar or anything like that: I'm just slightly autistic and my brain has to figure out all the mechanics of something like your story or it drives me nuts. I'm guessing English is a second language for you and you're having a little problem writing what happened to you in a way a natural speaker of the language would. Don't get me wrong: your English is excellent....just not perfectly fluent.

now I kind of feel lucky that I only ever experienced the southern airport during my stays on Tenerife even though I had to travel by transfer bus to and from our hotel in the north.

@@6666Imperator theres a told tale between tenerife locals that says that the arquitect that was tasked with finding a place for the noth airport died before presenting his work leaving behind a map with an x where the north airport is at nowadays, people joke about it saying that the x simbolised the ONLY spot where it shouldnt have been created

@mikebronicki8264 First thing is correct: It's not "fog" as usual but low level clouds. - Second thing is false: The other Tenerife airport you are talking about (Tenerife South) was opened in 1978 October, more than one year after the crash.

Good info and I hope you are right.

I can assure you that it still happens today. Don't know what kind of equipment would even make that possible.

Sounds like one of these sensationalizing versions of the story. Airlines need to be extremely organized so they knew full well who was captain on that flight.

@@tabby7189 I believe that's what they said in the Mayday (Air Crash Investigations) episode about this disaster. Don't know if it's true, but it's probably where the other guy heard it.

@@tabby7189 The unique thing about both the Pan Am and the KLM were that they were both charter flights. Pan Am was for people going on a cruise around the Canary Islands (and most of them were older people) and the KLM was chartered by a tourism company (and I think the lone survivor worked for it) and had mostly younger passengers including children. I flew a charter flight once with Iberia and to a passenger it doesn't seem much different but I don't know administratively how they are run by airlines. At that point van Zanten was spending most of his time doing simulator training and I think his flying time per month was less than 20 hours according to one account. I tended to be skeptical that they were looking for him (though I can understand that it's very possible that they would select him) but who knows? I think the accident shocked a lot of people with both airlines. I think the most important thing that came out of it was the issue of cockpit resource management and how to address any shortcomings and to improve it. I think it's had a great impact. JetBlue's landing gear situation and United Airlines 232 (which is the case most often cited) among others.

Actually, KLM has always strongly disputed the findings of the investigative reports (both the Spanish authorities and The Airline Pilots Association (ALPA), which place the immediate cause of the collision on Van Zanten's actions in starting his take off roll without clearance. Also, while Van Zanten was KLM's most senior pilot, the fact he was in command of this particular flight was purely a coincidence.

@@sct913 They sure did and continued to run ads claiming they never had a fatal accident even after Tenarife, their argument being it was a charter flight and thus didn't count. But it's not uncommon for disputes to happen in investigations and there's the option of a minority report like happened in PSA 182 (1978), SilkAir 185 (1997), Egypt Air 990 (1999) and some others. The NTSB also took the nearly unprecedented step of releasing/leaking black box information on China Eastern 5735 (2022) even though it wasn't the leading agency involved in that investigation. Disputing investigations when there's more than one agency involved (which can happen according to the agreement airlines work on when determining jurisdiction for the investigation and all parties that can participate in that) happen. Particularly in cases like SilkAir, Egypt Air and to an extent, Malaysian Air. I assume the NTSB possibly released that information in anticipation of a similar issue with China Eastern but that's just speculation. SilkAir had the advantage of actually having a lawsuit by the families of passengers filed against Boeing (in relation to the documented (and fatal in two out of three documented cases) servovalve issues with its 737-200/300 series. And Boeing received a trial verdict against it siding with the families. Albeit from a trial where not all evidence was allowed. From what I've researched of Tenarife (which took the life of 583 including the mother of a family friend) is that there were a chain of events that took place that led to that crash. For example, take out the terrorist threat/bombing at Las Palmas Airport from the equation and it probably would have never happened yet you can't write in a report that the terrorists caused it by initating the chain of events because that's not accurate. Sp anish ATF and both airliners, were major factors as was the weather and issues with Tenarife's ability to handle a larger load of planes including two 747s. What is true is that the KLM flight was a charter flight (as PAN AM flight was) not regular service. What is true is that Capt. Van Zanten was the Captain on that flight. What is also true is that at least one of the three member crew, the first officer was certified by him. What was true is that he was considered to be KLM's most senior and venerated pilot, and was literally the face of KLM (on billboards). What appears to be true is that he was the one that was sought out to be assigned to the investigation team. Some doubt exists because there's an assumption that they would not seek him out b/c they would already know he was dead but it's possibly true. Charter flight. Lots of confusion after a plane crash with fatalities especially when post crash fire is involved. Van Zanten took off without clearance. Even if there'd been a sound distortion impacting communications that doesn't equal clearance. The Pan Am crew seemed disoriented from the fog that blew in off the mountain which can happen quickly in Tenarife. Was it even appropriate for the ATF to authorize taxis and takeoffs on an active runway in conditions of such low visibility? Was ATF distracted by a televised soccer game (and wouldn't the sterile cockpit rules apply to a sterile ATF room(s))? How much active flying time (outside a simulator) did Van Zanten have in an average month and in the months preceding the crash? What is Simulator Adaption Syndrome and did it play a role? It seems to be clear that at least with KLM, the penalties towards going past authorized flying/duty hours might have factored into Van Zanten and his crew's state of mind. They are human beings not machines. One major development that came out of the Tenarife disaster was Crew Resource Management, which imo is one of the most important improvements made. United 232, US Airways 1549, Southwest 1380 and others have helped show how that can work during a crisis. And the thousands every day we don't learn about.

Exactly! We always try to use these horrible events to improve on safety and learn. Glad to hear that case studies are being used.

Yea, as a passenger, I'm very reassured to hear that the airlines are not getting complacent regarding CRM training. So many disasters could've been prevented if this was a thing much earlier :(

I think the benefit of sharing these admittedly devastating incidents of the past is that your job is important, disciplined and continually evolving.

@@soulawaken24 Well, I'd say most. Still happens. Look at the 737 Max cases. Both crews had zero communication in a recoverable situation. Both from airlines with terrible training practices and safety records.

I wonder if the FO was too busy by reading back the IFR clearance, unable to speak to the captain again to tell him they are not yet cleared for takeoff? Was it common those days getting the IFR clearance so late when you are already lined up and ready for departure?

Mushturt2956 that's a possibility, the pan am was attempting to turn on taxiway c4 when klm struck them. Realize they were perhaps going 5 knots or so on that turn, since visibility was extremely poor. Kim perhaps if they did not refuel, they may have been able to clear the pan am.

You're welcome Denys. Thanks for being here!

The mother of all aviation accidents…

Video with milion views potential

Same here. Waiting for the video and many thanks to Petter and Dominic!

Hello my friend, all good Denys? I'm good.

No disaster has only one cause, there's always a sequence of incidents.

Every accident has a chain of events. Breaking a single link will prevent the accident. That's why there's so few aviation accidents these days. We've learned to break that links.

That description seems equally attributable to the 1996 Mnt Everest climbing tragedy. Again, a series of compounding errors and poor conditions.

Indeed.

@@laprimaverabycristobalpola4199 Yes, but in this case in a way that you can start to believe in the existence of a devil. Think only about the fact that exactly only the "Okay" from the ATC reached the KLM cockpit. Every statistic would have told you that something like that could happen only one time in a billion cases - but it happened exactly here and then.

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@@InservioLetum not if you skip every advertisement ;-)

There were SO many ways this could have ended differently. 😢

So sad that the worst aviation accident wasn't actually AVIAtion

@@MentourPilot yeah. So many ways but it had to be this one 😢

@@la1m1e yeah

@@MentourPilot Love the channel and the stories about accidents like this! This accident and American 191 I see you've covered... please add Alaska 261 and PSA 182 to your list for future videos! I've read the circumstances surrounding PSA 182 is still used in flight training to this day! Thank you!

As they say in the military: "slow is smooth and smooth is fast"

It reminds me of the train operator in Japan who crashed his entire train due to being less than a minute late. The work force is so strict that even a few seconds of delay made him so fearful of the consequences that he sped up to unbelievable speeds.

And that pressure comes from the money people up top and then the workers, in this case, the pilot is scapegoated. Money again is why that airport was not shutdown and had no ground radar or airstrip lights. Blame greed for many disasters. Pilots crash in storms etc and get in accidents rushing because they have a knife in their back...management working for greedy rich folks that never have enough money.

Yeah, was going to say that people rushing so that they don't beat time limits, which then leads to incidents themselves... (how do you really effectively get around that, without either just recreating the problem at a different time, or making the time limits pointless?)

I know you probably won't see this now, but your frustration and pain is palpable even after all these years!! Wishing you much love and peace!

They weren’t equipped for that airport

Rip to your friends involved in that disaster… with only one runway, it was a series of disasters… i feel your pain…

He was impatient because the new Dutch law limiting pilots' flight hours in which prison time was possible if violated.

@@vtauoyctynwbrooylm6008 More fined and have a black mark on your record.

Nah, it's just that when something happens in the air, it's just that one plane that crashes. This is the worst because it contained two planes (i.e. twice the people)

I don't understand if you're being sarcastic but air travel is extremely safe.

Yeah, this is some garbage airport, main city airports won't really have these problems. These tiny airports are made for small planes and not something like a 747.

it's only considered "the worst" because two planes crashed into another meanings twice the casualties in one accident from this video I can see that everything from the procedure to technology used is completely insufficient, amateurish wouldn't be pushing it, now it was many decades ago so they had an excuse, but what worries me is that the technology is not much better today, even though it exists there is no backup fly from ground, there is still not enough redundant systems, the planes and every angle of it arent litered in cameras the crew can access, they use radio instead of cellular communication or internet towers even when in range of such things, there is no procedure for repeating a communication that didn't go through, or even noticing one, there was no ground radar on the airport, and it wasn't litered with cameras every 50 meters on the runway, and name one airport today that has anything like that, there are none, even though it would cost them less than 1% of their yearly expenses to install something like this accidents will keep happening and many thousands more people will die being burned alive because the design of the planes and prodecures are completely barebones, and cut corners wherever they can, they don't even make any small improvements until accidents happen, it's the only thing that has been moving the industry forward at all, deaths and close calls, they don't update and improve their systems on their own I challenge you to show me any airplane accident that could not have been avoided by an affordable technology or procedure change, you will fail.

@@panda4247 not always. There has been two planes that have collided in the air due to the pilots not following the descent or the climb instructions given to them.

Thanks I'll remember on my next delayed flight.

Twenty or so years ago I was a passenger on a flight out of Atlanta bound for Denver. The plane was at the end of the runway waiting to take off when everything was shut down due to an approaching thunderstorm. The captain repeated an old pilot's aphorism, "It's better to be on the ground wishing your were in the air, than in the air wishing you were on the ground." After a delay of about forty-five minutes, which included some hard rain and wind strong enough to rock the stationary plane, we took off. The climb out of Atlanta was a bit bumpy, and the plane made a lot of turns -- steering around the worst of the weather, most likely -- but might have been a lot worse had we not waited.

Amen

@@russlehman2070 That's when I get off the plane and don't go at all.

@@jn8ive60 There was really no opportunity to get off the plane, had I wanted to. It waited on the taxiway or runway (not sure which) the entire time, then took off as soon as the airport was reopened.

My condolences! It must have been devastating for the wives when they realized that if they hadn't had nagged for their husbands to return that they would have lived, obviously it isn't their fault and they shouldn't go down that route of thought, but I can imagine that pretty much everyone would feel that way 😢

Just fyi, factoid is actually a fact that is incorrect. Just so you know!

Yeah it was on air crash investigation, he was one of their star pilots appearing on advertising etc, yet caused this accident due to being impatient and more concerned he would go over his hours.

The captain was a member of our church in Lisse, he was in the top 3 of the best pilots of KLM

@@acelectricalsecurity definitely not his fault. The airport ATC had to be the most incompetent people I have ever seen. The airport should've paid for the dead victims since the ATC could barely hold a conversation in English as well as told pan am to take a 150° turn which is impossible for the 747.

@@TheSuperBoyProject lick those boots son

@@TheSuperBoyProject Really? What’s your pilot experience to make such a claim?

I think better psych screening is the way to deal with these possibilities. Regular reviews and the willingness to ground stressed pilots. You can't really teach people not to be impatient nut jobs.

@@aarondavis8943 klm has to take blame too, they had psyched him up to be in a hurry vs take safety first.

Llll0

I have watched a documentary on the "Air Disasters" program seen here in the US on Smithsonian Channel. This version of the events save for a few details is nearly identical. Seeing these depictions of the events, leaves me frustrated. Let me preface by saying I have two former ATC's in my family. I am quite an aviation buff. And so on. Once the aspects of this incident leads me to ask, why with such low visibility was not the airport not placed in a stop all traffic status? Failing that, the CVR transcripts as described indicate to me an abject failure to adhere to standards and practices of communication between aircraft crew and Controllers. Also, the use of non standard language seems to be a major issue. IMO this accident was absolutely avoidable if those who were in charge of both the tower and the KLM flight had just adhered to procedures.

@@LeolaGlamour It was not KLM it was a new law of the Dutch Government at that time which had the intention to promote air safety with making sure that the pilots are not tired - but which had in this special case consequences nobody had thought on - what teaches that even the best intentions can cause horrible results.

It is such a tragic accident.A combination of many events and mistakes rather like the Titanic sinking which aviation has a reminder to not be complacement or assume anything.Human error will always exist .Such a preventable accident. This account brings home the depth of grief .

@@phillipgardner5322 Yes, this is tragic. In hindsight, with litterally no visibility and overcrowded small airport it would be wise I think from ATC to ground all planes and screw it. Still, I understand them why they proceeded, in theory the visibility was borderline OK for take offs, and they were under extreme pressure. The backlash would have been awful, they might have lost their jobs if they grounded the planes.

I can understand (if not approve of) the decision to continue operations. But why ATC let those 2 big birds onto the runway at the same time in that visibility, I will _never_ understand.

@@DAOzz83 They had only one runway and the taxi ways were clogged. They thought they were safe. They did not imagine any plane would take off without their clearance.

@@Sanderus The ATC should definitely have started each interaction with the KLM flight with "hold".

@@Jenalgo That's quite a low quality statement you've got there.

There is still some blame to put on the pilot though. He was *not* cleared for takeoff.

⁠@@gibbyjibby0 the pilot is ultimately the only one to blame. He was the one that decided to take off without clearance. Sure you can blame the bomber or the pan-am crew or ATC the police who shut down the first airport, the people searching for the other bombs, etc etc etc etc but by and large they were doing exactly what they were supposed to do… the only one who didn’t was the pilot, and because of that almost 600 people died that day. Because of the nuance you can probably get away without calling him a piece of shit, but I think it’s way too far to put the blame on anyone else in any large capacity. 95% the pilot of the KLM and 5% literally everything else that contributed to this… including that volcano taking about 4% of it.

@@Jenalgo The subtlety in the video clearly escaped you. Rest assured, there is no hell.

@Jenalgo I agree it was mostly van zanton's fault for taking off without clearance, but other factors played a part. But, why wish van Zanten (or however his name is spelled) to burn in hell? Are there not far more deserving people to burn? And even so, maybe we should all try to be a little kinder to one another. Including myself become I know I can be gruff and harsh due to the arrogant asses in the world! Anyhow, a little kindness would make the world better. Besides, I'm sure van zanten didn't mean to kill anyone! Ok, rant over!!

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@@Justin.Martyr Disgusting sentiment, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. Not least for taking your Lord's name in vain.

@@Justin.Martyr Yes, I'm sure none of the more than 500 dead were true christian believers, yeah? 🤔😡

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@@johnstedman4075 My thoughts exactly

Well, now you know how many things must be going wrong everyday without an accident happening as a result, they just don't tell you about it

This disaster is the epitome of Murphy’s law

I have a different opinion. Many things happened that were wrong but for the accident to happen you only need a couple. The KLM pilot decided to start taking off without clearance and without visibility and the PanAm plane was confused about their position due to poor visibility.

There were dozens of things that had to go wrong and many stupid decisions were made but all of it could have been avoided if the KLM pilot knew how to fly an aeroplane properly. Rule no 1: don't take off without atc clearance. Sorry but the klm pilot annoys me a little.

The 'Mentour Pilot' episodes are essentially edited narrated versions of the Official Reports which are produced after each Commercial Aviation Mishap, and are obviously made within the constraints of fairly limited budgets. The focus is, as the Channel explains on its website, to convey the story through a narrative from the perspective of an experienced current airline pilot. Graphics and Photographs are occasionally used, but the high cost of CGI restricts the scope, quality and detail which is realistically achievable in that medium. Those who wish to see a more comprehensive account of a Mishap are best advised to watch the dramatised documentaries produced for the 'Mayday' (AKA 'Air Crash Investigation') television series, which has access to far higher budgets, professional teleplay writers, accomplished actors, film sets, interviews with the real-life Investigators and sophisticated CGI presentations which tend to give a holistic, up-to-date account of the event which is intellectually satisfying and is quite highly regarded by senior Aviation Industry Professionals. Unfortunately, the RU-vid viewer demographic tends to mainly comprise rather uninformed juveniles, who seem to prefer simplistic forms of what they would questionably regard as 'entertainment' and have little real understanding of the complex realities of operating real aircraft or of analysing tragic Mishaps.

I do not think it’s a mistake. There are lots of shittty people in the world who do not care about other people.

there is no Swiss cheese effect here, Swiss cheese doesn't protect you against a knife. The Knife here was watching football while working, that too in bad weather, no effort ever to improve communication.

@@sweetcarbine Multiple points of failure lining up through systems designed to prevent them. That's pretty much the definition of the "swiss cheese" effect.

@@sweetcarbine huh?

About a 100 slices of Swiss cheese all lined up perfectly.

@@Robert_N well if someone is watching football instead of doing their job it million cheese wont matter.

*Presses Y on the keyboard* "Told you so"

"Now we shall both surely perish!" said Schreuder. "lol" said Van Zanten, "lmao"

"Yaaaaa" - Zantent said calmly

That Dutch captain was clearly a major a-hole. So sad for all the other people he killed...

"Yaaasss queen" van Zanten said .... What a complete godvergeten imbeciel

Thank you! I’m so happy you think so and to have you with me on the channel.

Yes, Mentour Pilot does make excellent videos. I just wish he would do some in German.

This narration is completely biased. Unless you think this narrator knew what Van Zanten was thinking at that time.

@@unnamedsource746 This Narration is one of the most non -biased ones I’ve seen.

​@@torstenheling3830 So, lemme see. I'm stopped at an intersection. The traffic light is still red. But I just accelerate right into the intersection.... and kill people. But I am not at fault? Try that in front of a judge and jury. See how far that gets you. (btw, don't forget to tell them you thought the light was green)

@Airliner World Yes, quite agree, the animations are excellent.

@Airliner World It's true what "they" say: When you see something of quality, there was a lot of love put into it! ;) Thank you for the compliments buddy!

Yesssss🔥

I think those documentaries are made by Americans!

@@jasongomez5344 Aircrash Investigation is Canadian AFAIK but I also find it really well made. That being said, if I could still slap that KLM pilot across the face, I would.

Thats mentour ... always very professional and objective

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Well, his actions and attitudes certainly contributed to the mishap but pointing fingers is generally less helpful than aiming for a full understanding of how and why, for future mishap prevention.

So happy to hear you liked it! Welcome to the crew

Not sure what was searching for but it’s 45 minutes later and wow was that ever well done and captivating

@@MentourPilot I’ve searched all through but can t find your version of the Airbus Flight 447. That famous crash . Is it available??

There is a documentary account of this accident told in part by the surviving Pan Am crew and sole survivor from the KLM passenger list (who got off the aircraft to stay with her boyfriend) among others directly related to the accident or investigation. The Pan Am captain (or first officer? Anyone?) was extraordinary. A truly wonderful man. Essential watch. It may have been an AirCrash Investigation special or 'the other one''? (Same anyone?). Very possibly the finest work of its type. If you watch that documentary you are left with no doubt who was responsible for the accident. Unlike Mentour Pilot who gives the Dutch Captain an easy time (and a boy scouts pilot badge), here he is portrayed for what I believe he was. A narcissist and accident waiting to happen.

@@martinda7446 - I remember watching that documentary. "sole survivor from the KLM passenger list (who got off the aircraft to stay with her boyfriend)" I remember her too. Poor girl. She and her boyfriend were living on Tenerife. She had asked if she could just stay but the rules said she had to board the plane and go on to Gran Canaria. But as the time ticked by, she made the decision to just not board the plane and her friends agreed to claim her bag in Gran Canaria and return it to her later. Her 'survivor's guilt' must have been immense.

Did you hear the impact?

@@boudicca9807 Fortunately no, the first thing I saw was airport staff running around like headless chickens.

Mike if you don’t mind me asking; how old are you right now. I was born in 74. Life is so short and goes by within a blink of an eye.

@@ericac.4316 I’m 69 and you are right that life can go on in the blink of an eye. Life can be short too, I lost my wife to leukaemia when she was 44, and she never got to see our 3 children marry and never got to see our 8 grandchildren. Life can be also be cruel, I also have been diagnosed with leukaemia too, thankfully not the aggressive type my wife succumbed to.

@@mike.47 Thank God you didn't, Mike. The sound alone would have stayed with you for life. I wish you well.

I have R.E.G Davies book Pan Am: An Airline and Its Aircraft, which is awesome because it provides the names of all the Clippers. It is my second favorite of his books (my favorite is his book on Delta, which was written around 1991, and which also features a detailed history of Western, Pacific Northwest, Chicago and Southern and Northeast Airlines, which had merged into what is now Delta between the 1950s and 1985 in the case of Western. I wish they would do an updated version covering Northwest...

Seems odd to rename it due to a hijacking... Were they trying to avoid the plane being a "target" for a 2nd hijacking? Or we're people killed on it?

@Soul Man : it sure sounds like this particular 747 is jinxed right from the start. Wonder what Boeing did or did not do during manufacturing of this Jumbo... ( would be interesting to go through the details during manufacturing, if it's still available ). 🤔🤫😷

@@bahardin3992 Clipper Victor was the second 747 ever built and the first one delivered. And that´s not the whole story: The first 747 ever built but only later delivered was the 747 who exploded nearby New York in 1996 as a TWA flight. They were two charismatic aircrafts, both with a horrible fate.

@@NicolaW72 i thought the 2nd one built was Clipper Juan T Trippe which ended up as a restaurant in Korea.

Crazy how small the world feels as big as you tube is this comment made it feel suddenly soo small...

Actually van Zanten was KLMs 747 specialist and star pilot. It’s ironic that he was the main cause of the accident. His action of trying to leapfrog over the PAN AM and lifting his right wing to try to miss/minimise potential damage saved lives and resulted in some survivors on the PAN AM. Such a sad state of affairs for all involved in the disaster.

Yeah I do think that he tried not to hit the other plane the best he could. The fuel that they picked up in Tenarife helped doom them with the extra weight.

@@alekhidell9373 Yeah he was the most experienced. Which I think both helped and hurt. From what I read in different sources, he spent most of his time training people in the simulator and not a lot of actual flight time the last few years before the crash. The simulator is set up to give them the circumstances they need for the training. It's a useful tool but it's not real world where things like ATC exist. It seemed like for a variet of reasons (time pressures (shown in part by his decision to refuel at Tenarife instead of Las Palmas), weather pressures, pressures he faced as the face of KLM, awaiting family, etc) His first officer had been certified by him and had less than 100 hours experience on a B747 and challenged him once according to the CVR and then was quiet after that. The FE had around 550 hours flight experience on a B747 as a FE and more flight hours overall than the FO who turned down a captain stint on a DC-8/9 to be FO on a 747. FE was the last person to challenge his Captain on clearance. From a psychological perspective, there are things in this kind of setup that make me ask questions about the CRM of this crew. Which is what ultimately doomed both planes. You're dealing with human beings. Trained and experienced ones but at the end of the day, with strengths and frailities that can factor into their actions. I think with pilots they to the very end at times believe that they can save the plane or at least not to give up. Alaskan Airlines 261 w/ the failed jackscrew was an example where they kept trying until the end and working together. Albeit arranging with ATC to make sure they "troubleshot" the airplane over the ocean instead of land where there were residences and businesses with people inside to avoid more casualties if the plane crashed.

The captain said he could see all the passengers in the fuselage, most of whom were alive and screaming, right after the top was sheared off, but once the fire started, he said it went totally quiet because the oxygen consumed by the fire made them all incapacitated. That vision must have been a hell of raw trauma for a lifetime.

Thank him for me...he and his friends did a valuable service for all...PTSD is a hell of a thing to live with...I hope he's getting counselling to help him. love from Scotland🌹

@@ChristophersMum Thank you mate. Scotland and its people are beautiful. Hope to visit one day.

@@ivanriverooo You will be very welcome

What a brave soul and certainly a hero! Very sorry that it has negatively impacted him going forward from that point. I wish him peace.

Oh, how horrible. What an experience to have in life.

Thank you for your kind words!

Yes, indeed. Captain van Zanten was also the Security Director of KLM at that time. One of his duties in this capacity was to join the investigation team in behalf of accidents in which KLM-aircrafts were involved.

@@NicolaW72 ironic isnt it? He caused the very accident that he was supposed to investigate. i mean its sad that almost 600 people died, as this could have been easily avoided.

@@kodiak9869 I would call it sadly. The fact that van Zanten was not only the Chief Instructor Pilot for the 747-fleet of KLM at that time but also the Chief Investigator of accidents means that he had all experience and all theoretical knowledge to prevent this crash. But he failed to do so. That shows that huge experience and outstanding knowledge doesn´t prevent a human being for making horrible mistakes.

@@NicolaW72 The time he spent on training other pilots was actually cited as a reason for this accident. He was used to acting as his own ATC and giving himself authorization for takeoff. I can't remember how many flight hours he had in the month leading up to this accident, but it wasn't many at all. Just shows how even the best can get rusty without regular practice. EDIT: Oh Petter mentioned that in this video. Hadn't reached that far when I wrote this comment 😅

Did you attend medical school? I remember reading an article in JAMA by somebody with your surname. I'm a retired neurosurgeon.

There's another poster at the top of all comments (at the moment) who says they're his pics. He also wrote a book about his experience:David Alexander "Never wait for the fire truck". He said one of his pics is at 37:13

Thank you Jay.. yes, terrible

My mate's dad can imagine it. He was Victor Grubbs!

Radar is very important and control tower is a must to know English as international communications this two things could save a millions live

I didn't know about it either, till I traveled to the Canary Islands for a vacation. When I returned home my dad told me about it.

Gosh that’s creepy. Imagine that. Two people staring at flames coming towards them and not moving.

@@jacobr8063 The same thing happens when cars make water landings. The person is in denial that they are in the water and need to get out so they freeze and do nothing. One lady was on the phone with 911 who were telling her to get out of her car and the woman was insisting she would be fine staying in her car, she wasn't as she drowned.

Pull up footage of the 2004 tsunami in Thailand. Most people just sat there watching the giant wall of water that was on it's way in to kill them.

Well they had a choice. Freeze or jump 20-30 feet to the tarmac and break their bones to save their lives.

@@laprimaverabycristobalpola4199 Well, your alternative is to jump 20 feet to a hard concrete surface and if you are too old or too young you probably won't make it anyway.

That's not much to go through or deal with. Things almost happen all the time.

@@aluisious what

@@aluisious I agree with what u said for the first but for the second is weird bro

I was 7.

@@fredlandry6170 I was 14 when that happened. 15 later that year.