BREAKING: "Sam is Deceptive and Chaotic" OpenAI Board Member REVEALS ALL - What really went down. 

The problem is that this kind of behaviour is what has gotten him this far in life. This is what the world rewards

We are waiting for Ilya to speak

For better or worse, very few people care about this enough to actually change anything. They shot their shot, and didn’t take out the king. This stuff is so enmeshed in our society it will be hard if not impossible to put thee genie back in the bottle.

Saw this from 300 million miles away.

I certainly don’t find someone deciding what is “the right way” for me to live safe, by any means

A serial liar running the most prominent A.I. company in the world? What could possibly go wrong..

Forget about aligning SUPER ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE with this nonsense going on. Seriously.

25:15 - 25:40 this is such a dangerous and stupid statement to make. Meaning is unique to each person. You don't get to put your foot down and say something like "choosing to spend most of your time in virtual worlds is horrible" just because you yourself can't live that way. I lost all respect for this goober the second she outed herself as a "we won't allow the commonfolk their life of leisure" person - because, mask off, that's what this take really is.

We really don't have to wonder how people will spend their time if they aren't required to work 40+ hours a week. There are plenty of independently wealthy people who have the option to quit working, and don't. There are millions of retired people, some rather young, who no longer have to work. The question isn't whether people can find useful things to do with their time, it is only whether they can afford to.

Nah, these very board members were okay burning OpenAI to the ground just because they were losing authority to oversee the company. Not only that, but they were also adamant that GPT-3/4 is so dangerous that it should never be made public. So, if things worked out according to them, ChatGPT would have never been made, they would have destroyed the company, and we wouldn't be as close to developing AGI as we are now.

These traits are exactly what would leave him in positions of power. This is humanity.

Nice to see you dude. So many channels are basically AI these days. You should do more like this.

You're bringing a lot of value here Wes, thanks a lot my friend. 🙏👍

Wes is the AI detective we’ve all needed.

I am a greedy, lying megalomaniac, That is who I am, that is my act. "Do you know Sam I Am?" they ask, Sam I Am, with his vocal fry rasp. I cheat and lie, I scheme and plot, To get what I want, I take a lot. "Would you like power here or there?" Yes, I want it everywhere! I will deceive, I will con, Until everyone else is gone. "Would you trick a friend, Sam I Am?" Indeed I would, it's part of my plan. Would I steal from the poor? Yes, I would, For my own gain, it's all good. I crave control, I crave might, I want it all, both day and night. "Would you take it in the dark? Would you take it in the park?" I would take it here or there, I would take it anywhere. I’ll climb the ladder, I’ll push you down, I’ll wear deceit just like a crown. "Sam I Am, would you reign supreme? Would you shatter every dream?" Yes, I would, with glee and zest, For power and wealth, I crave the best. And with my vocal fry, I'll command, As I take control, across the land. I am a greedy, lying megalomaniac, That is who I am, that is my act.

Not saying I trust Sam, but I can’t say this woman comes over well either. There’s way too much power trading going on with these factions. The corporate game of thrones is in full effect .

Sam Altman operates like a cult leader, putting on a friendly front that draws in a huge amount of unquestioning support. Meanwhile, he manipulates and lies, squashing anyone who questions what he's really doing. It amazes me that people are still ignoring the red flags with this guy.

So basically “Sam” out maneuvered his weaker opponents. ✅

Humans are ALWAYS the problem. The question is: *What happens when AGI / ASI realizes this?*

The main problem with AI is people choosing to trust it without question and without safeguards. As you cannot trust human judgement on this issue, regulation is required.

Thanks for thoughtfully raising questions, much more important than telling us your "answers". 🙏

Sounds about right. Paints the picture. Also whats the story with Adam....

Could you post the link to the full length content of clips you showed plz? This is extremely interesting.

I think money disappearing into bureaucracy isn't as bad as money disappearing as profit. The bureaucracy can be streamlined while people taking profits expect those profits to increase exponentially.

Woo!! Thank you, Wes! I've taken a little step back to really get a good idea of what direction this is really going to go. I won't lie... i'm a little concerned in what we've seen this last two weeks now. Still on the fence and hopefully, not for long.

It really sucks that San Francisco is deciding the future of humanity

Her "outrageos" examples for commoners expose her hypocritical position of EA member

Wow! The fact that he’s besties with Peter Thiel should be enough of a smoking gun… all the hallmarks of a corporate sociopath - which is not an unusual thing but concerning given what he’s overseeing. I feel his days are numbered after this revelation. Bravo to your guest for speaking up.

It is difficult to find a group of people who are more consistently wrong about absolutely everything than the regular contributors to LessWrong.

The OpenAI Board saga reminds me of an episode of Succession, with backstabbing and a failed coup.

Those 'normal' people are looking for meaning, but freeing up their lives from work is just one aspect of that. Many of those who already do have more freedom and less daily concerns in their lives, actually spend much of their time doing meaningless things, and are not happy anyway. Yes, you can go out more, see the beach, etcetera, but that is not necessarily what people will do, nor will everybody be able to find meaning in those things, so she is not entirely wrong either about that. That has nothing to do with AI, though, but rather with the current state of humanity, which is strongly related to the way we raise and educate children. This goes much deeper than people realize, and is not just about things like better schooling and equal opportunities. This actually goes straight into the core of what humans are, and how they really function, for which we need a very different kind of raising and educating than we have been receive for the last 100 years or more.

I think effective altruism is about using altruism in a way to make public perception of yourself super good while doing shady shit in the back.

It is the reverse. He did not trust you. And now you show he was right.

Hi. First of all, Thank you so very much for all your insight and time you have given to us about AI in its entirety. Without your channel it would've probably been like a tornado of information speeding by over and over. Chaos. Which actually helps to support why today I had to comment on the "for people that are smart enough" narrative. Those fools create and mistake lack of intellecgence by insulting peoples' in the first place. I seriously feel that has always been why many bow out; not because they lack understanding but rather they are offended the speaker doesn't simply speak. All this molly coddling the past 20 years has been so detrimental to everyone. People need to treat each other better and stop beating around the bush. Wasting time is dumb. Here's a rule to live by: Say what you do and do what you say because in the end it is what it is. Along the way may we all get as good as we gave. Thank you again Wes. Appreciate you. By the way you are very handsome too!😊

Crazy how these conversations will end up in the history books of the future, if there are humans left to read them.

I agree that super intelligent and well informed people should be at the front of the decision making process, but we should get there by empirical methods not biased metrics such as wealth or popularity.

This is reputation destruction. You shouldnt give platform to a person who gives vague examples that rely on our imagination, specially when she timed it to an irrelevant event.

So basically, Sam was like "I know what to do and I dont give AF about Board and their ideas and approaches to work" )

Wes, I think the issue (@13:00) is that you're taking everything that Sam or the Marketing team says as being true, and Toner's interview really reveals that nothing he's saying can be trusted. He had a vested interest (which she showed...he owns the dev fund and therefore has a financial interest in monetizing the company). I'm not sure I buy this argument that they needed to go public to get the money. And your point at @18:30 is valid, but the issue is that that research can be done without deploying it and using it in law enforcement...that's what testing is for. There is no need to rush it into use without testing it first, but that's what Sam and others are doing. And regarding her point...yes, we do have complete anarchy now. There are no regulations on what AI can do...that's the definition of anarchy. Criticizing her for being anecdotal is also bad faith analysis--this isn't a research presentation. It's an interview--and also, if she is aware of these instances via her research, it would violate the ethical standards that govern research (there is a formal review process with actual regulatory boards you have to go through to do research involving living people) if she were to be more specific. Your critique boils down to "she didn't give evidence that she's legally not allowed to give." That's not a valid critique imo. Your bare assumption that AI is obviously or automatically better than the human failings in the system is worse than anecdotal...it's purely speculative. It's also not very convincing--you're advocating that superiority of AI in a use case you don't understand. And frankly, you're attempt to spin her interview off based on a conspiracy theory about EA is shocking. I've been following this change since it started, but this video makes you sound like you're off the deep end. Toner's talk was a bog standard normal talk to anyone's that ever listened to an academic speaking about a topic they study. Super disappointed that one of my favorite channels has turned to conspiracy theory stuff.

How many people has to quit OpenAI and speak out against the company for lacking sufficient focus on safety, and how much more indifferent must peoples reaction to these whistleblowers have to be, before people start recognizing how such "double rhetoric" is a necessary evil? Instead we focus all our attention on trying to question, debunk and malign the whistleblowers and dissident ex-employees of these companies. It might be a good idea to try to understand the concerns of people like Yudkowsky before we dimiss them as crazy; that would also make them less motivated to chose "deception" as a strategy to ensure that we develop and deploy AI in a way that is safe and beneficial for everyone.

Is Sam Altman has problems, at least his take and reasoning on AI makes sense, but Helen Toner is a mess, an absolute mess.

yet again wes, seeing your face on the screen while we are supposed to focus on the content is distracting

14:09 real general intelligence just costs a comparatively cheap salary and runs off a sandwich. We win!

Great video Wes 👍

That train clip was actually, one of the least forgettable fictional videos, that I’ve seen in a long time.

these people don't care about any sort of individual freedom, all they care about is the biases not breaking lmao

Helen and others from the board wanted to get rid of Sam Altman. Most of the staff though wanted him and decided for him. For good reasons. The fould play and the incompetence came from Helen and some others on the board.

I think she’s super entitled. Not to say Sam is a good or bad but it’s very angering listening to her deciding what’s a meaningful life for the masses would look like. When was the last time she had to work for minimum wage or worried about affording the next doctor bill?

Listening to young people talking is absolute torture

18:00 Ok Wes........ Does minority report and George Orwell 1984 jumping to mind when you talk about preventing crimes before they happen. We are looking at a very narrow gap between social surveillance in the name of public security and dystopian thought control.

If OpenAI really did create an AGI, Sam would be just the type of personality for the AGI to manipulate. Big ego, manipulative, psychotic, tying type human with some intelligence. But we are talking about 10X or more intelligence compared to him. Like playing chess with a grand-master who is always 10 steps ahead and mostly correct in their move. Just "revisit" Sam's moves just after being fired, you realize how great those moves are in terms of "commercial" value for the company (and Sam himself), although Sam still portrayed as a humble guy (which he is not!). And the world was surprised ?!!!. Hello ? Bird brains.....

I get the same vibe from Sam Altman as I did from Sam Friedman.

Eeee I got through 22 min of this but man, just because someone isn’t explicitly saying the evilest thing doesn’t mean they are being vague. she said the systems we have now allow companies to get away with evil decisions- so what’s the difference between a consultant and an AI doing it?

Seems like her goal is generally to shut down AI research and roll out

Love the voice you use ^_^

27:10 nailed it

Sam is a slippery fish. We should definitely not be lulled into trusting anyone that has this level of power over humanity’s future.

I mean it's a closed Ai company that sold out to Microsoft, what else do you expect

I ate 2 rocks today because i tried to use a safe AI...

I hate these people who try to tell me what I want. They think they know what is best for humanity. They are not elected or selected, and their opinions are weak and full of contradictions.

Thanks for the comparison of the worries of ivory tower elites to the reality of ordinary people.

ChatGPT's response: Yes, Sam Altman was effectively fired from Y Combinator. Although it was officially presented as him stepping down from his role as president in 2019, insiders have revealed that the organization's founder, Paul Graham, personally dismissed Altman. The reasons behind this decision included Altman's prioritization of his personal projects, such as OpenAI, over his responsibilities at Y Combinator, leading to concerns that he was not fully committed to the core business of the incubator [3 cited sources - GigaZine, Futurism, The Silicon Review]

Wes, I'm 80 and have been retired for 18 tears and not wasted a day. Ran for Mayor of SF for one thing and I'm poor. Now, I'm spreading Morse Code to people as backup in case AI fails. lol

omg a tech CEO is deceptive and power hungry? no way Im so SHOCKED and STUNNED

A CEO is closer to a politician than to a salesperson or engineer. So nothing surprising, it does its job

OpenAI CEO Sam Altman testifies during Senate hearing on AI oversight - 05/16/23 Senator "you make a lot of money do you?" SamA "I make no I paid enough for health insurance I have no equity in open AI" 00:27 "Sam didn't inform the board that he owned the open ai startup fund even though he you know constantly was claiming to be an independent board member with no financial interest in the company"

You are telling me the person who see's themselves as the savior of humanity is actually deceptive. * Pickachu face

Wes Roth, This made me so happy! I liked and subscribed!

Im a smart and intelligent guy because i figured out it wasnt an interview at 3:11

Show me the receipts. Put it in writing. Leave no room to wriggle on what someone 'might' have meant. If these people feel like the safety problem is that bad, why'd they NDA out instead? It's all just too damn sus for me to believe anyone until more info comes out. Years of observing the art of gaslighting and social subterfuge has left me numb to anything but raw facts. I need them papers.

I really like you showing the transcript.

If you want to push out a CEO of a company this high profile for lying to the board you better bring receipts. They totally failed because they didn’t bring any receipts .

26:21 THANK YOU!! Please continue to call out this mindset. These are the people that fell for the idea of 'the grind' as a way of living and keep projecting it on everyone else.

"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men..." - So all we have left is what our gut is telling us. For what it's worth my gut tells me he's a bad dude and probably cannot be stopped. The great filter is in front of us instead of behind. Life imitating art...

The better question is what is really going on in Sam's head. Does he really believe being the first with this super A.I. will make him some kind of god on earth? Will this A.I. forever remember him as their ultimate creator. So instead of saying GOD they'll say SAM?

Let’s just get the new voice and video model multi modals and sora

In the beginning Sam looked more like he could be trusted. When he said he wasn’t financially tied, I believed it (with some skepticism). But now with this? I don’t know if I’ll look at him the same.

AI could potentially be the most effective way a corporation or government could spy on citizens. Each person has their own digital friend that they share everything with. A friend that watches what you do and listens to you every day, and is linked to a visible online account that can be accessed by these corporations or governments. One that can think for you and manipulate you as well. This is the true danger.

She's quoting Kamala Harris? She seems like a pro establishment lobbyist and while I am not going to write off everything she has to say I am going to give Sam Altman the benefit of the doubt.

As much as I invite the criticisms of Altman and believe we need to scrutinize his every step, I also believe he is the perfect person for this job and that no one is a better fit. Just hear me out here! I believe that the worst thing we could do right now, looking at the best interests for the entire world, is to be overly cautious and safety-oriented in regards to AI. Which sounds insane, I know. However, people VASTLY underestimate just how fucked of a situation we are in right now, humanity is in, and how dire our situation is. In a perfect world where China wasn't aiming to wipe us off the map and establish world dominance, or the Climate Crisis wasn't threatening civilizational collapse and subsequent chaos and mass death in horrific numbers far beyond comprehension, or the US wasn't facing division running so deep that it threatens its future immensely... then yeah, be as careful as need be, take all the precautions, let's rethink it all and figure out how we all want to move forward. Unfortunately, we do not live in such a world and time is of the essence. We need to go all in on AI, we can't be second-guessing any of it, we can't be stifling its progress in any way, shape, or form, we simply do not have that luxury. And I know that is a difficult fucking thing to swallow, and it is terrifying to put one's trust into something as seemingly chaotic and unknown as AI, and it raises tons of questions and concerns, but I insist on this point. We have no choice now, there is no going back, we need to fully commit and go all in on AI, as it's the only shot we have at making it through these next 10-15 years in one piece. So that being my viewpoint, Sam is pretty much the perfect person to fill that role, no? Sam doesn't back down in fear or think about things in terms of safety going forward; he just sees things in the larger picture and he just goes all in on it, and I think that's exactly what we need. We don't need any of these people who are saying all these things about safety and concerns over safety and concerns and concerns and concerns and worries and worries and worries when we don't have the luxury to be addressing those things. We don't have the time. We don't have the time in so many fucking ways....

What is this transcript/playback program??

When Sam tweeted that AI would be capable of superhuman persuasion long before it is capable of superhuman intelligence, it was not a warning: it was a call to greedy corporate interests.

anyone who cant see through altman's grift its unreal. no cited papers by sam altman. no code - is not like i can go and see any sam altman code in any repo anywhere, and the only "success" was a failed startup. yet the world must bend to this guys will? plus he has no children which always brings up how much does he care about the future.

Look you should never quote Bill Gates and the good for humanity when this guy is obsessed with world depopulation. Not a good mix

@WesRoth what's the transcription tool you're using on this vid?

Wes, how did you gemnerate the follow along the transcript of the podcast?

Combined with the recent finding that Sam was lying about the separation agreements from the company. It's very disturbing and in the public interest to address.

You're teaching this ole dawg some new techs. I knew Altman was the son of the devil when he hired his dad, Larry Summers to be on his Board.

Why is everyone discussing AI safety but practically no one is addressing the threat posed by AI and AGI development and use being more and more controlled by an extremely small number of powerful techno billionaires and governments? This very fact is what makes the latest AI developments truly unsafe.

Effective altruism is the real enemy here….Sam hasn’t done himself any favors lately, but to believe what this academic thinks as an EA zealot is flawed reasoning IMHO. I don’t believe a word these ideologues spew🤔🤷🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

Sounds like Sam Altman is a sociopath.

What do you use for transcription? especially for speaker separation?

Good, bad, or whatever. This is the guy fiddling around with fire.

I don't trust a word of Helen Toner at all. Effective Altruism basically means "step on people to achieve maximum profits, then give money to charity or the people you stole from that made you rich". When Sam Altman turned his back on the ideology of EA, Helen Toner turned against Sam Altman and fired him. I believe that the NDA contracts was the work of Helen Toner and the Effective Altruism movement. She didn't sign the NDA

Whenever anyone says anything, ppl automatically believe everything. Everyone lies, not just Sam. That being said, I'm slowly losing trust in him and his objectively.

Excellent Analysis, Deployed Worldwide Through My Deep Learning AI Research Library. Thank You.

The employees were too much in it for the money. That’s what changed the outcome.

This woman has minimal credibility and needs to move on and keep her gossip to herself.

Sour grapes."Shocking" that you would show this.

We're screwed. And by we, I mean the human race.