Thank you! As a Philadelphia Eagles fan I always thought this was such a dumb reason for hating on Chip Kelly. A 3 and out is always a 3 and out. There is only so much time you can take off the clock on any 3 and out. If you don't execute on offense it's just always going to suck for your defense.
The NFL is a different animal because of roster size, hard to be really fast if you only carry 5-6 receivers on the roster and 2-3 TE'S. College teams have 85 scholarships and walk on players.
Thomas MacPherson but in regards to putting the defense in bad situation offensive personnel restrictions is irrelevant. Whether an NFL roster can handle up tempo is a different conversation but I think Chip's first 10-6 season proved it can be done. Chip Kelly as a personnel guy is also another conversation where I'm the side that he's not good at.
Strictly in terms of Nfl its hard to always do up tempo because of the 48 man active squad on game day tempo also has an effect on your defense now spand that throughout a 16 game schedule and u can run into problems
Coach, a few thoughts. First, in addition to what you dealt with here, I think part of what contributes to the tempo myth is that historically, a lot of teams that have ran tempo offenses (at least at the college level) have had HFCs who are offensive-minded. They know what to look for in offensive assistants, know how to help out on offense, perhaps they have "hogged" the talent that could go either way (multipurpose players or "athletes"), directed the bulk of recruiting efforts and resources to offensive players, and overall their program was geared to and built around the offense. Consequently, the defenses on the aforementioned teams that run tempo offenses have suffered...Which leads to fans, the media, and less knowledgeable coaches blaming the tempo offense for the defense's woes. Second, it seems that a lot of tempo teams, and especially passing tempo teams, have either used bend but don't break/tampa 2-style schemes, or extremely aggressive, attacking schemes, which leads to either: A) offenses driving up and down the field (which the fans and media perceive as poor defense), or B) offenses scoring on big plays (which the fans and media also perceive as poor defense). Either way, if it's done right and with the right reasoning, it can be justified. Each philosophy is playing the odds. One is betting that very few teams can be patient and stay mistake free for 10-15 plays, and also sometimes throwing in some setups (lure them to sleep with cover 3 for eight plays, then throw them a curveball by bluffing cover 3 and having someone do something different). The other is betting that the more times they pressure the offense, the greater the probability is that they will force the offense into a mistake and "strike it rich" with a score off of a turnover. Third, at the 20:23 mark, you mentioned safe effective plays. Do you occasionally throw in a change up to break your tendency? If you don't, it would seem that it would be easier for opposing DCs who do their research to adjust their playcalling for your first down tendency. As always, thanks!
Well said, offensive Head Coaches have to be able to find great DC'S. But you also have to change the perception of what good defense is if you play that fast. I think your point about recruiting is very logical. If teams are going to put better athletes in space, then defensively you need to find better athletes to play in space. As far as change ups, I know what my first down tendencies are and have been so I need to mix in a few change ups or wrinkles. Usually a play action pass off the run scheme I use most on 1st Down. RPO'S have helpd 1st Down play calls tremendously.
Coach, I've been doing some Cross Fit stuff and love the tempo of the workout, do you think there's a way you can incorporate this into the high school football weight room routine? Would you see a benefit from this with an up-tempo philosophy?
Coach, how do you start implementing an up tempo offense? I have been trying to get our head coach and OC to play faster. Last year when we needed to go fast we were terrible. How have you introduced the tempo in terms of practice, Indos, on air, etc? Do you only run a few plays and one or two formations at first?
We play that way all the time so it is the first thing we introduce. We start that way then learn to slow down. Start on air with your simplest formations and plays and see if your communication allows you to play fast. If your system is too wordy or has a lot of movements or motions it will be tough.
Hey coach, forgive me if you've already answered this as I have not read all of the previous comments. Just curious, do you run tempo at every level? I.E. junior varsity and middle school as well as Varsity?
The best way to explain this is to just tell people. Well if you are so worried about not putting your defense out quickly then you need to stop any big plays you can potentially have. The quickest way to turn the ball back to your Defense is to return a kick or bust a big offensive play. That puts your defense out there too quickly so you need to tell your kids 4 yards a play and thats it. it just doesnt make sense. Yes 30 seconds over the course of a game comes out to maybe 10 real time minutes of players bein on the field. if your running roughly 80 plays a game. but you cant worry about scoring to quickly thats called over thinking the game. 4 minute drill is practiced for a reason.
Have to determine if the risk is worth the reward. If you feel it gives your offense a better chance then it may be worth it. Those kids probably already play 80 snaps a game. You can always pull back depending on score or injuries.
During heavy exercise 30 seconds extra rest is a lot. I think there are other factors that "come along for the ride" with an up-tempo philosophy that can hider the defense; although there are always exceptions: 1. Offensive minded head coach who tends to put better players on offense and spend more time in practice on offense. 2. Take more risk on offense and less consideration for field position. 3. Many defensive coaches struggle mentally when they're behind. 4. Turn-overs. Seems like those are worse then 3-and-out. Maybe that's a poor assumption about up-tempo teams but does seem to be common when more options and passes attempted. 5. Defenses need to take more risks. No point in having an up-tempo offense on the sideline (I realize that doesn't really factor into what you're trying to say about getting more rest.). What do you tend to advocate as a defense that fits this style of football or does it matter?
I get the concept in having more reps at practice but I found that if we are getting a ton of reps and the quality of our execution isn't up to par. Philosophically speaking, I am a quality over quantity guy. I don't want to practice bad habits, so I struggle wanting to defend tempo and have guys conditioned with guys conserving energy and using poor fundamentals. I was a GA at Duke and I really struggled with this because I could see our guys running 90 plays at practice and as coaches we weren't able to coach on the field as much...we had to go go go. The idea was that we would coach em up in the film room but I believe, as a former player and current coach, that it is really hard to fix these fundamental errors in the classroom. I believe kids need to be in the flesh and correct things at field level...however, this becomes tight with time of practices. Additionally as coaches, if we had a crummy day, we had a ton of reps to watch that were really bad and we couldn't give each concept and kid the attention they deserved...we simply had volume.
Certainly a different perspective when you are coaching on the fly and fixing in film room. At the HS level I feel we need to stay this way to keep kids involved. No right or wrong answer just philosophical approaches
Agreed. I'm a Bolles grad who coaches HS in north metro Atlanta...would love to come visit with you sometime coach. Really enjoy the videos. Keep it up.
This is true but it's not always because of the tempo. And usually they give up a lot of points to other Up Tempo teams because the amount of possessions will increase.
Im not sure about this coach, if the difference between offenses are 30 sec then you are talking about 3.5 min per Quarter (7 drives per quarter in worst of esenarios (3 and out offenses in both sides (56sec+86sec = 2,22min)) Then you have 3.5 min x 4 quartes = 14 min, almost a game quarter, without talking about the game clock as you said, it´s just the difference between offenses in seconds. BUT Im complete agree, what kill defenses are 3 and out offenses no matter what. And I see more pros and less cons if a team play up tempo. All the point here is to score every single drive and if you have up tempo offense then you are going to have more drives.
I can see the point you are making, but i'm not sure anybody gets 7 drives a quarter and 28 possessions a game unless both teams are repeatedly 3 and out and if that is the case then you have not hurt your defense. I think in High School we think in terms of 14-16 possessions a game which again in the scenario you described equates to 6 1/2 minutes a game. It all comes down to your personality and philosophy. Interesting debate though.
