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Brewing With Underwhelming Commanders | Episode 31 

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This Episode featuring Tawnos, Urza's Apprentice, Saryth, the Viper's Fang and Nihiloor.
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@enricoferro4146
@enricoferro4146 2 года назад
My favourite build for Tawnos is Superfriends! Turn planeswalkers into artifacts and copy their loyalty abilities. There's a good number of untap synergies too
@jlateralus21
@jlateralus21 2 года назад
Saryth is great built around big tramplers. Deathtouch + trample is basically unblockable! I rarely play my deck anymore because it's so brutal. Great underwhelming commander!
@CorZ1lla
@CorZ1lla 2 года назад
Got a list? ❤️
@jlateralus21
@jlateralus21 2 года назад
@@CorZ1lla sure, I went to go copy it and I've made a lot of changes so I will update it and get back to you very soon.
@CorZ1lla
@CorZ1lla 2 года назад
@@jlateralus21 awesome! Thanks.
@jlateralus21
@jlateralus21 2 года назад
@@CorZ1lla the deck is definitely susceptible to board wipes and flying tribal. I used to get mana swamped all the time and I was running 34 lands. With all of the mana dorks, I ended up cutting it down to 30 And I play a significant amount of ramp spells as well to make sure I get all those lands out and thin out my deck. You have to start fast with this deck so it's really important to Mulligan and not keep just a two-lander lol. Strengths are apparent. You'll be the biggest threat as soon as you drop a giant creature and swing in for 8 deathtouch+ trample. So keep a mana untapped to activate Saryth's untap/hexproof ability.
@hilleleisenberg6382
@hilleleisenberg6382 2 года назад
Some notes on Tawnos from a person playing the deck since he came out you missed. 1. The deck is really mana hungry, I'm running 18 sources of ramp and I never have too much. A lot of the best stuff you can do in this deck involves copying 7 mana ETB's and activated ability's, and you almost always have a plethora of mana sinks to use. Defiantly one of those decks where you can have 11 mana and wish you had 12. 2. Missed some of the best cards in the deck, starting with the some of the best mana rocks for the deck, mind stone, commander's sphere, hedron archive and dreamstone hedron. the ability to draw card's is really good on cards that help you dump your hand and they work super well with Tawnos to boot. Transmogrifying wand and Helvault are also nuts in the deck especially the former, killing a total of six creatures is just so much. Trading post is also a must include, just the recursion alone is nuts, getting two of the pieces you need from the yard can really win you games. Lastly battel-ball is just an excellent bomb to finish games, which brings me to my last point... 3. Finally I think the best finishing plan for the deck is working with the token sub-theme built around Brudiclad from the percon. Your anyways running the enablers for them cus there great with Tawnos, both go-wide cards such as the aforementioned battel-ball, Myr turbine and thopter assembly, as well as big token makers such as Phyrexian processor and prototype portal. Brudiclad adds so much finishing power on their own its unreal, and its not just them, steel overseer, sharding sphinx and Saheeli's directive are all excellent cards in the deck and can end games in this overwise very grindy deck.
@CorZ1lla
@CorZ1lla 2 года назад
Do you have a list bro, sounds fun, how do you find it?
@SandOfToru
@SandOfToru 2 года назад
I had a similar deck and it was so complex with all the tokens from other permanents etc that I lost the fun with it - should be awesome in mtgo
@mvargasmoran
@mvargasmoran Месяц назад
I have copied Annihilator triggers from eldrazi titans, but the deck always want colored mana, so if I do my big play and have annhilitar 12~24 that means I have no counter magic, no untapped mana, no nothing. The games never go my way, in fact the eldrazi does a better job than playing tawnos.
@loxeggcheese
@loxeggcheese 2 года назад
Tawnos is pretty sick, really fun ability. Tbh his artwork is really what held me back from building him
@prob094
@prob094 2 года назад
Yeah why did they give him that haircut lol
@SandOfToru
@SandOfToru 2 года назад
He is more like Martin
@ulland
@ulland 2 года назад
I agree. Card artwork is important as to if I play it.
@prob094
@prob094 2 года назад
@@ulland It's the main criteria for me. At least as a starting point : )
@zacharymcmillan2788
@zacharymcmillan2788 2 года назад
The artwork on the Vanguard card is better,this art made him look kind of doofy.
@SpinxMC
@SpinxMC 2 года назад
i would love to make a saryth type deck in selesnya with Lady Caleria or Cattie Brie of Mithral Hall at the helm. sorta like an archer/deathtouch/untap theme
@meximan374
@meximan374 2 года назад
Love these ideas. I’m def going to try a Tawnos deck. Going to add your thoughts into my Nihiloor Deck. It’s more steal and blink, but these are strong suggestions! Many thanks my G!
@shivaperry1216
@shivaperry1216 2 года назад
I'm glad you're showing nihiloor. Tried him as a replacement for sen triplets in my theft deck to make people not as salty... It just really didn't work for me but it's nice to hear it could be better if built around more. It was so difficult to have enough creatures on board to make nihiloor worth it for me
@ThorMan91587
@ThorMan91587 2 года назад
I'd love to see your full take on Tawnos. When he was spoiled I also thought he was really strong
@septred3
@septred3 2 года назад
I would like to see your take on Captain Ripley Vance if it ever gets to be voted highly on for a poll of yours.
@mvargasmoran
@mvargasmoran Месяц назад
With Tawnos it goes likes this: 1 build the deck with all the fun triggers you want to copy. 2 realize the deck is mana hungry AF 3 add more ramp and add stuff that gets you colored mana 4 realize you can have 10~12 mana 5 realize that you better be playing, Eldrazi, Omniscience or anything else that's more impactful and one sided than a Coveted Jewel. 6 Change Tawnos for the Saheeli that came with the precon to help you play Eldrazi, Omniscience or anything else that's more impactful. 7 Shelf Tawnos. That's it.
@phrikaphrak40k
@phrikaphrak40k 2 года назад
Another great video, thanks for the effort!
@apjapki
@apjapki 2 года назад
I use Phyrexian Infiltrator in Aminatou with a theft subtheme. It's yet to really go off but you have to have pets. ;) The good thing is that even against blue players you can use it to remove creatures from combat. You can also spoil blocks designed to trade creatures. It's pretty flexible in theory.
@vikingofmars
@vikingofmars 2 года назад
Reconnaissance is a must include in Nihiloor in my opinion.
@thrillhouse4151
@thrillhouse4151 2 года назад
4:52, oh wow, thanks for the tips!
@jongailey85
@jongailey85 2 года назад
First! I’ve always thought Tawnos was underrated. That can be a powerful ability considering how many good artifacts there are nowadays.
@riukenavatar8625
@riukenavatar8625 2 года назад
Please try an underwhelming commander build with Kiyomaro, First to Stand as a proof-of-concept on white card draw. Yes it's basically voltron, but I don't think this has been a workable angle until recently.
@BFG93
@BFG93 2 года назад
Saryth and questing beast both work beautifully in Fynn Fang bearer deck
@mrpopsful
@mrpopsful 2 года назад
16:23 "A lot" is two words
@edhdeckbuilding
@edhdeckbuilding 2 года назад
not where i come from
@PawzBrownMTG
@PawzBrownMTG 2 года назад
Let's go buddy let's see what we've got that's entertaining today
@Corbin8
@Corbin8 2 года назад
I was excited about Nihiloor. But I didn't end up building it because I don't think it would be much fun to play against
@connorl0204
@connorl0204 2 года назад
Archangel of thune goes really well in a nihiloor deck too, though it has gotten sorta expensive lately
@SeraphimKnight
@SeraphimKnight 2 года назад
Ephemerate would work with Phyrexian Infiltrator and Gilded Drake.
@othellosmistake
@othellosmistake 2 года назад
deathtouch fight deck sounds so nasty.
@KryptOKnight184
@KryptOKnight184 2 года назад
demo do you think you could show the results of the last poll at the beginning of these episodes?
@edhdeckbuilding
@edhdeckbuilding 2 года назад
good idea
@snowflake3114
@snowflake3114 2 года назад
Yo, I feel like Tawnos should've been #1 now that you've shown all the nifty artifact shenanigans you can do with him. And this is after I voted for the Viper's Fang lol. Now I wanna quit my two other decks I'm working on just to crank out a Tawnos deck to jank around with. 😁
@spooftv725
@spooftv725 2 года назад
The only creature close to Trample Deathtouch is a completed Kaldra, I like to call his ability Exiletouch
@EliManny2000
@EliManny2000 2 года назад
i recently built a dynaheir deck that just feels like a better tawnos lol. given i need to build around abilities that need 4 or more mana... but honestly it feels a lot more fun that way. Untapping and tapping dynaheir 4 times and not needing to pay mana for it feels good. edit: copying triggered abilities does seem pretty cool doe
@memnarchprogenitus9839
@memnarchprogenitus9839 2 года назад
How about a secret commander Tesuko Umezawa for Nihiloor 🤔 Black has enough creatures with a 1 on the butt, but 4 or 5 Power. So you steal bigger creatures with your Nihiloor, but fool your opponents with this. You goal is to find Tetsuku and smack a lot for cheap cost 😇
@connorl0204
@connorl0204 2 года назад
Tawnos lets you prevent someone from killing you with aetherflux
@deckwardens
@deckwardens 2 года назад
I use nihiloor in a sen triplets deck
@SirGrimLockSmithVIII
@SirGrimLockSmithVIII 2 года назад
Damn I always thought Tawnos would be popular enough to not be considered underwhelming
@Mihomiti
@Mihomiti Год назад
Reporting: Tawnos still only has 228 decks on EDHREC.
@AndyB30
@AndyB30 10 дней назад
I built Tawnos and it's the most fun deck I've ever made. It's not the most serious deck as I just do silly fun stuff in it. It's all fun and games until i start copying things like Lux Cannon and Bosh 😊
@NoSystemGaming
@NoSystemGaming 2 года назад
Full Tawnos deck pls
@Nex41354
@Nex41354 Год назад
The problem with these great commanders not being played is that there is always a constant mix of veteran players and newbies... Newbies dont understand the game and the effects of removal and/or countermagic, or how cards/commanders like these ar egreat because they teeter on being removal themselves.
@mrnekomaneki01
@mrnekomaneki01 2 года назад
Tawnos looks good but i think people see izzet and imediately think spellslinger
@tabiasgrafton9590
@tabiasgrafton9590 2 года назад
Do you have a deck that act of treason would work in?
@hanschristopherson8056
@hanschristopherson8056 2 года назад
See demo people hate playing against steal your stuff but love playing it
@edhdeckbuilding
@edhdeckbuilding 2 года назад
yes, nihiloor won the poll by a mile.
@raze667
@raze667 2 года назад
nihiloor is fun... as part of the 99. Not a good commander.
@mvargasmoran
@mvargasmoran Месяц назад
04:23 That won't happen ever, 2 colored mana for Tawnos, 2 Colored mana for the trigger, 6 mana for the Coveted Jewel, that's 10 mana, with 10 mana you should be casting Omniscience or any other more impactful thing. That's why Tawnos is not popular as a commander or as anything, it's too mana hungry.
@edhdeckbuilding
@edhdeckbuilding Месяц назад
this thought process is silly. every commander costs mana, tawnos only costs 2. that's way cheaper than most commanders. you mention coveted jewel but obviously there's a ton of triggers that don't cost six. it's very easy to have a trigger on every turn that costs just 2 mana to copy.
@mvargasmoran
@mvargasmoran Месяц назад
@@edhdeckbuilding in my experience the commander will be removed before you can extract any value, so you have to get it immediately, so in my head Tawnos costs 2U + 2R. Just like that Susped Jhoira of the Ghitu. Anyway, I've tried the deck already.
@mathmagician5990
@mathmagician5990 2 года назад
Tawnos might be underwhelming but definitely not underpowered