Brexit vs Scottish independence - BBC Newsnight 

He is an expat. Immigrants are those who steal English People's job and at the same time they are on the dole

He’s probably not complaining about working migrants, but the load of shite that come to the UK to do absolutely nothing

Rangers fan, perchance?

Expats are immigrant. It's just an made up word by the brits.

@@Daone24 What a a load ay shite, lad.

Harry is a yes voter, I am a no voter. Harry is a remainer, I am a Brexiteer. For once the BBC actually was impartial.

@@petercampbell8987 "I don't agree with it in most circumstances."

@@xtraspecialmango "In 2014 I voted to leave the UK"

@@petercampbell8987 what are most circumstances?

I also said that the best way for Scotland to gain independence is for us to allow Brexit to tale its toll, and then make up our minds. They didn't include this in the final edit tho.

Peter Campbell ah that’s a shame. I do agree with you on that

Exactly. The hypocrisy is fucking overwhelming from Brexiters. A whole country of 5 million people being told what to do by the larger nation in the south. It's the exact fucking reason I hate this union, our vote doesn't matter.

@crusher bubber Who will bail England out when the banks fuck everyone again? Dont pretend that it was only Scotland.

we will be fine with our oil ,whiskey and fresh water that we will sell ,and the rent money for the nukes that we keep until engerlland build a place to keep them.

How has Scotland suffered under England.

True man, there is no union, just england ruling, Scotland is englnd colony

@@coreymesham-pritchard1988 Go look it up yourself. There is too much to list. The Brexit vote in itself proves how stupid this union is, Scotland voted remain yet we are forced to leave because of English votes?

@@hiddenknowledge2012 Haha, you cant even tell me one.

​@@coreymesham-pritchard1988 He did. It's in his comment. Right there. Anyways, here are some reasons why leaving the UK would be beneficial for Scotland, each of these also counts as a way we're currently suffering as we cannot truly prosper. Votes that better reflect the Scottish people. In countless votes such as the 2016 EU referendum Scotland as a nation voted against Brexit yet we were given it anyway. Scotland has the means to become one of the wealthiest countries. Recent statistics show that Scotland has the highest tax contribution in the UK. We also give away most of our oil to England and we spent millions a year on trident, something that has no purpose in this modern day. Control over reserved powers. In 1997 when the referendum for Scottish devolution went through we gained the first amount of control over our country in hundreds of years and even then it isn't full control. Fuck, we've only had our own parliament for 20 years now. We would get control over our own welfare system. This is incredibly important as over a million people in Scotland are living in poverty. That's 1/5 of our entire country. Do you understand how crazy that is? We're wasting money on Englands nuclear toys while Scottish people are starving on the streets. Going back to our North Sea oil, all tax money from our oil is going straight to the UK's pocket. If we're not in the UK then we won't have to follow the US into Iran. Basically, any illegal war that happens such as what happened in Iraq could potentially happen again and with tensions rising with Iran it's becoming a possibility. Control over immigration laws. This one is also quite important, a lot of foreign workers are being denied access to Scotland because of the UK's immigration laws that we have no real say in. It also means we can allow in more Syrian refugees and other refugees who are fleeing from really shitty situations. Bringing in more migrants will balance the workflow with elderly people, different from popular belief, immigration is actually a good thing and will help our nation thrive. Lastly, we would still have good relations with the rest of the UK. They are our nearest neighbors and it would be as it is now but on a more equal basis.

Yeah hope they go independence, So we Brits, don't have to pay for Scotland to have free school meals, free NHS because of us, They lose our Sterling and switch to Euros like Republic of Ireland, And pay us back every penny we been given them, Scotts won't like that 😂😂

Leaving the UK does not make you independent that’s for sure the EU would command you idiots

Peach Heard diversity quota for Scotland would be a catastrophe only4 1/2 million Scott’s we’d be over run with immigrants in 10years

Peach Heard fuck off

@@Jack-bv2hi Bro you must be deluded and hating the fact, That we tax payers are paying for your children to have free school meals, and Nhs, Scotland will be in big debt if you leave us, I ain't wrong, You think the British prime minister gonna let you leave without paying them back? That everything that you owe?? 😂🤣

@@mark39ful on what day is that not infinetly better.

Agreed free England now

cooper cooper you won’t be free how would you be free if you joined the EU You silly people the EU will own you next

And Wales too

If want to leave then why joined at first Scotland join uk because they run out of cash

@Matt S Then forget we even exist, Matthew. We're certainly not thinking about right-wing Americans who can't find Denmark on a map.

@Matt S Every word in that comment SCREAMS right-wing yank. You're arrogantly wrong and it defines your demographic.

Firstly Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 is a country in a political and monarchy union not a state get your facts right. As for the economy and the eu not wanting us is quite frankly laughable.renewable energy for a start is booming we produced 2years supply for every house hold every year and need to sell the excess energy, currently going to England but as I type a new power line is being made to Norway for Europe. Funded my the eu so why would they not want Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Jason Gunn-Davis you will never be independent if you leave the UK the EU will take over How stupid can you get

@@andyf7973 love our Scottish neighbours 😘

We all wish you would hurry up and leave!!!!!! You lot are the biggest joke

@@frolicwitme me too... the english are a joke...I'm from Scotland i voted remain but i know if the u.k leave then scotland will gain independence and northern ireland will unify with the republic so it's all fun and games for me😈

@@imme4810 Scotland wouldn't survive without the UK. You get the NHS, free prescription medications, and free university fees. And, you want to keep the Pound. You wouldn't survive as a nation without England. And, btw, dont blame England, because it was a Scottish king who unified England and Scotland.

@@coreymesham-pritchard1988 well you must feel stupid because The tories are planning on getting rid of the NHS...Scotland wants to keep the NHS or even create their own free health care system....funny you English keep telling us that we need you....tf mate it's yous that need us....Resources/economy/Oil....it's you that need us. No wonder ye don't wanna let us go.

@@imme4810 If we need you more than you need us, why did you vote to remain by a significant proportion?

Northern Ireland didn't exist in the 1840's. It was called Ireland.

When white English majority disappears from Australia the newcomer Asian people will think it over again whether they want to feed a white supremacist royal family in England 1000s of kilometers far that have no real connection to the country.

Baltic states used to be member states of the Soviet Union and somehow they managed their own separation. They all are in the eurozone and thriving economies

I don't see the border as a big problem for Scots. They can always rebuild Hadrians wall to keep the cunts out.

Somehow every other country in the world manage to do this.

You would have to follow laws, rules and regulations created by Brussels, without any say over your future. You'll also have to pay your own way.

Scotland has its own government that it voted for and 30% of scots voted for the current conservative government

The half of Scotland voted for Tories and Labour...The SNP lost seats and support....A great majority in Scotland wants to stay in UK yet

@@craig581 no they'd follow rules and laws negotiated along with other countries in the EU. This is the bit brexiteers miss.

@@craig581 as an independent nation Scotland would be on the EU table and initiate and shape the laws, same as the UK had been doing in the last 45 years.

We're great aren't we

@@tristman8413 Oh fook aye, Ah loue th' sassenach, cuppa, crumpets, th' queen 'n' th' law that means greg's cannae sell het pies,

@@SorryIJustAteYourDog I know right!?

To be fair, they are the same as they ever were. If nothing else, they're consistent.

Freeeeeeddddooooommm!!

And they wanted open borders with England and free movement. LOL

Annnd their whole economy is largely based on oil which will be a thing of the past as it'll be worthless in the future and its running out in Scotland. Plus their NHS without correct funding will collapse due to their ageing population so yikes cmon Scotland we got a good brexit deal and the EU is starting to get jealous as said by a Finnish MEP so let's keep the gang together

@@joecoe8452 “We got a good deal” mhm, sure you did. You got us a deal so we can be worse off than we were. You also sold NI down the river.

As a scotsman that wants to remain in the UK i don't blame you tbh don't tar us all with the same brush though majority want to remain as 2014 proved 👌🇬🇧

And Scotland and wales will never be in the EU just ask Spain and there veto try telling jimmy kranckie up here that the cow btw i mean sturgeon Google crankie it'll make u laugh anyway much love my English friend 🙂🇬🇧

@@andyf7973 I think we should stay together, i was merely playing with the irony.

@@andyf7973 Well said my friend.

Andy F Spain... Which has repeatedly stated it has no problem with Scotland joining the EU

If only there was some vote that took place for the Scots.

Brexiteers call eveyone ''traitors'' but they don't realize that here in Europe, they are seen as the real traitors that want to destroy our European Unity and lives ! They betrayed their European partners and allies !

@@bca-biciclindcuaxel7527 We will be better off without the UK in the long run.

@Miguel Melchior Example: Scoland does not want Brexit, but it will get it XD Unless the Scots finally grow some balls and take their country in their own hands. It is a chance to make history here. There used to be wars for independence, and the Scots gave it up with a peaceful referendum answer.

The obvious hypocrisy of the SNP is that they don't want their laws made in Westminster, and as soon as they're independent, they would give that sovereignty away to Brussels. They want their own country to be free, just to join a supranational state that wants an EU army.

But the SNP kept saying it. And now it has backfired on them.

@@kevinlongman007 What was that phrase I kept hearing..... oh yeah “the easiest deal ever made”

@@stevenmcalister826 Well i never believed that anymore than i believed the £350 million more each week for the NHS if we left the EU. But the SNP themselves did say that it was a once in a generation vote.

@@kevinlongman007 They may have said that, but it’s not written anywhere.

Yet you're happy to be ruled by Brussels. That's not independence.

How can any proud highlander be happy with those in Holyrood ruling them?

Please leave already. We’re sick of your whining

@@don-jx2xn Stop pretending your Scottish,...i told you that before,...6 month's ago Yank.

52% isn't exactly a massive majority is it. Same as the Brexit vote which is considered not decisive enough. All it means is Scotland split down the middle, more fighting, more bitterness. Do you really want more years of that? Has Brexit taught you nothing?

@@mogznwaz *+1 out of 5 Scottish that voted to remain in the UK last time, now have come to their sense's and will vote to leave the UK and join the EU.* You ignored that very important part untop of the already very high figure of 52% m8, hence i reminded you of that super important fact again.

but they do and they will i mean they still say it today its actually laughable when scotland joined the union which scotland can leave when wants and it will they cant hold us in to this union they have no rights to do that if the scottish people vote the future for scotland its our rightful vote

If the ENGLISH were given a day you would get you wish,then build Hadrian wall up.carry on and see if you get in the failing eu.no barnet ,no currency

Because Jean claude junker cares about Scotland?

@@LolLol-ch7sl lol

Our Union of over 300 years makes us all British and proud to be British, I think it's disgusting and despicable that anyone would want to break up our great Union, we fought wars together, we achieved great thing together, you will always someone trying to find some grievance and reason to be disgruntled about nothing. The SNP were always a wasted vote and they still are. We said NO we meant it!!

Really? 🤔 pretty sure the EU wasn't invented until after ww2 and pretty sure Scotland was in the union since the 1700's 🤣🤣 fucking idiot...

Queenie XRP Scotlands oldest ally is the French, we fought wars with them. As the commenter said, historical sentiment doesn't efficiently run a country

Because your not Scottish and your not being told what to do by an English majority government and voter base.

@@hiddenknowledge2012 by Scotland still gets the best deal economically and politically

Scotland has oil. England doesnt.

@stephen Krik all but in name, they cannot conduct the wishes of the people without the say so of Westminster. Some privilege.

​@stephen Krik democracy must be based on truths, facts, and kept promises. Since neither were honoured in both referenda, which should the result? defending the contrary seems difficult to understand. Just my opinion as an outside observer, don't actually live in the UK.

True story all the SNP Government bang on about is independence yet my son's schools are struggling to stay open fucking disgrace of a party and the brainwashed idiots that vote them in are just as bad.

@@andyf7973 You can't have universal healthcare, universal education and mitigate the Conservatives vandalism of the welfare state without Danish levels of income tax, VAT, and corporation tax. VAT and corporation tax are reserved to the British parliament, Andrew.

@@NuclearHaggis what does that have to do with the budget the SNP dishes out to council's for school's? I suppose going by you're fancy hyphenated name you've never been to a council run school never mind the snobs will do ok if they vote for independence love to know where our money is coming from now the north sea oil and gas field's are practically useless 🤔

Lmao, free Hong Kong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

hhhhha 你要笑死我了 不过支持

The funny thing is they would never be independent because the EU will take over 😂

@@mark39ful Exactly. Scotland is the EUs Hong Kong.

TAIWAN #1

Exactly.

And what is democracy?

@@petersebok9284 democracy comes from Greek, demos and kratia (power of the people). It's basically a community where there's equality and everyone has free speech

Did Rep of Ireland pay any 'debts' when they left? Scottish oil revenues returned? Since Scotland can't borrow it stands that they have no debts. There! Fixed it for you.

A comment with logic. But honestly if we left the EU originally it would be the norm by now. Uncertainty is fucking everything up.

THERE! There's the smart sensible Scot I know and love! Not the rabid English hating nationalist! I knew you still existed 😘

@@mogznwaz there's still a good number of us. It's the noisy SNP element that get the air time.

@@mogznwaz yeah but English hating nationalists still exist😉 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿#2 inevitable now You can Thank Boris for that🤣🤣🤣 I wish you all the best in the waves to come😂 Actually I don't,I hope you suffer and squirm as England crumbles as a result of being rasict ignorant arrogant entitled arseholes,karma will be the judge 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇮🇪🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿Will be free of English shackles soon enough.you can't stop the building momentum

@@kryoboy36 You're an asshole. And a racist!

dominate may not be accurate parasitic, britain plundered and pillaged the world including scotland and is still doing so, it is our right for self determination and our right as i believe will now come our independence, do not let the media cloud your view we do not hate the english people we hate westminster and all it stands for, we want the right to make our own decisions, as england turns ever more right wing scotland are choosing a different path, be free to make that choice, the european elections our entire map turned yellow englands turned blue that should be enough to show people how different we are but as usual westminster takes all our decisions for us. Do not be gutted we will still be here, your neighbours your friends your allies, but free and happier

​@@allybaba37 SNP want to part away from the United Kingdom but remain a part of the EU what an oxymoron, Brussels would make your laws then. The scots have been sold a false dream of freedom & patriotism, Nicola Sturgeon has admitted she wishes she could change her party’s name because she doesn't believe in Scottish nationalism. You would still be under the British Monarchy as well if you left as a dominion with the monarch as the head of state, hardly free. How could you downplay our nations collectively controlled 25% of the worlds landmass under our union banner it was a great achievement its hardly fair to judge the actions of the empire under modern morality it was a different time where EVERY nation was taking advantage of everyone by any means necessary to get a leg up economically. Regardless I respect your opinion on the matter, god bless Scotland.

Fuck the crown and fuck the empire. The time is over for outdated monarchies and an English majority government. You can shout about our past and history all you want but that doesn't change anything, the government is still corrupt and Scotland's vote still means nothing. if you cared that much about Scotland then you would be fine with full devolution of powers in a true democracy.

Yes, I do find it weird that all our history and shared blood and our home on this little island would mean less to the Scots than being in the bureaucratic EU. The English are currently the target of hate but sooner or later Brussels will be. Some Scots just love to whinge. But that's ok we love you anyway 😘

@Jimmy Mac Say the Scots obsessed with their tribal tartans

Another English kipper pretending to be a Scot...

@Tailend Charlie Take the hint and stop trying to dictate to other countries. You no longer rule anything. You can't even rule yourselves.

@Tailend Charlie I feel you are being dictated by a bad hair day.

@Tailend Charlie Your antiScottish blowing is the only wind around here. London is Brussels to the Scots and the Irish. You are hypocrites. Kippers are krazy 🤪.

Well said Nancy!!

52% voted leave. Otherwise known as a majority.

@WilliamTheConquerer that's how democracy works. The side who gets the most votes wins, no matter how slight. If you would like an example of a landslide, how does the Tory majority of the recent election sound?

@@pascal3178 Not if we leave - which is we want to.

Yes they will. Goodbye to Scotland as you know it. Scotland has had relatively little mass immigration compared to England. You won't be happy when Edinburgh is majority Muslim like London is becoming. Although remembering how those Glaswegians dealt with that airport terrorist a few years back - that was fecking AWESOME.

Exactly, 5 million Scots up against 70 million English. How does this government represent democracy when it ignores two whole countries. The union is finished.

@@hiddenknowledge2012 That's why democracy is the tyranny of the majority. In an island with 9 rapists and 1 woman, democracy commands the rape. I am an anarcho-capitalist/propertarian from Brazil, and I support Brexit and Scotland independence, and, after Scotland independence, I support independence for the Shetland Islands and the Orkneys. The European Union is not an union for free-market, it is an union that puts out a lot of regulatory legislation, which the countries have to agree, regardless of the will of the individuals. Brexit and Scotland independence are movements I can stand for, because they are autonomists in essence.

Then I'm sure you'll be equally saddened that there are more people in Yorkshire than Scotland, yet Scotland receives more money from the Government, has free university educations and free prescriptions. Scotland is also not ignored as they have their own parliament.

JAMES WHITELEY “Mainstream Media” and they get free tuition because they organise their budget effectively.

@@ryanboshell6124 Scotland gets more government money per head. When things were run by Scottish office it was efficient. Now Scotland has its own parliament things are going downhill

@@ryanboshell6124 the Government doesn't own mainstream media. The BBC operates differently in Scotland.

JAMES WHITELEY I’m making the distinction. I said that “the mainstream media ignores” my original post said nothing about government.

And England's exports are ?

Gruegy And thanks to the UK Single Market, we cant tax those goods to the UK; we lose our £4bn quarterly trade balance surplus and take on a share of the UK’s deficit of £12bn per capita resulting in a net loss of £64bn in taxable income, economic growth and investment credit every single year - just by remaining within the UK. It genuinely would be far better to trade with the UK without being a member of the UK because it’s a deal that is entirely detrimental to us.

@@sicgc7658 If my understanding is correct, you are saying that by leaving the UK you can tax your goods to England, Wales and NI? Does this imply to the EU also which you wish to be a member state of? I thought that the EU was all about free movement of goods on a tariff free basis.

Gruegy There are no fixed tariffs within the UK nor EU single market, nor are there duty tariffs. This isn’t what is being discussed here. Profits and income made off of exports are a part of taxable income, the same profits from balance of trade. These can fall under several different forms depending on whether it’s corporate, private, personal, individual etc. This is the tax I’m talking about. It’s currently an unrequited market in the UK. Goods leaving or entering England, even if indirectly from the other 3 nations (inc. crown dependencies), is taxed as an English good, when leaving an English port or cross-border. However, imports from the rUK are do not fall under taxable income, meaning the other nations lose out on tax profit. This allows England to generate income whilst trying to centralise markets into a trade centre (in this case London) and deter companies from expanding into Scotland, Wales nor Northern Ireland, and encourages tax evasion in the dependencies. This is actually a bad thing for many of working class in England as they lose the benefit of close trade and it can harm small and medium sized company profits across different nations in the UK - however, it’s entirely detrimental and costs billions for us in Scotland, not just the working class. The UK is fundamentally broken, including many poorer individuals south of the border, however I welcome anyone in England, Wales or NI who wishes to remain in the EU or in general live here. Going independent won’t make us enemies, we’ll remain neighbours and best friends - and that’s a good thing!

@@sicgc7658 Thank you for your clarification. Much appreciated. I do disagree with you; tax is by the UK and not England. How the tax is divided within the UK is another matter and I see the point that you are trying to make. I would be grateful if you could provide a breakdown or link of your earlier figures to peruse through.

XD XD XD NO! What you can and should do is become even better trade partners, Scotland would appreciate that.

British Petrolium is hardly a 100% Scottish company?

You know takings are only £1billion, Scotland needs £60billion a year - the oil thing is pretty irrelevant

One word renewable

@@darrensmith1522 Renewable what?

Funny...now that Breixteers seem to give a shit about Borders...not so much in NI though...

I'm English, I grew up in Scotland but I now live in London. So if anything I have a better view of this whole situation than most people. The whole argument for Scottish Independence is just rubbish. Back in 2014 the Yes campaign said that the North sea oil would be one of the biggest sources of income. However the price of oil has since collapsed, the price to gather oil in the UK has skyrocketed and there is hardly any left. Which clearly shows their severe lack of foresight. So if Nicola Sturgeon wants to divide an already divided nation once again then I think she it's only fair that she faces some severe consequences. I've always considered the SNP to be the political equivalent of a spoilt child. They throw all their toys out the pram when they don't get their way, they keep on dreaming of a future without other people helping them and they have no consideration for their closest friends and family. I've always referred to Scottish independence as operation out of the frying pan...into the fire and I still do

There won't be a UK soon in any case Once NI leaves, and it will, no more UK!

@Frankly Frank what is independence? Leave the UK and stay in the EU isn't independence.

@@angiegriffiths8873 The world revolves around interdependence

You seem to have came tothat conclusion in your own head? of the first part. Good contribution poigant smiggo hector

Vote UKIP.

@@rogerbennett9641 ​ Roger Bennett Did you see that on side of a bus? and thought a slogan im totally convinced im that convinced im gony become reduced to marketing on the internet for a dodgy pparty that are standing for democratic election to the undemocratic eu as you lot say . they have you marketering them for there election campain for the undemocratic eu simultaneously ., ,if you follow, played you like a garden chimes havnt they. poor roger

@@ScottishRoss27 The only people being played are the powerless EU citizens who still think they live in countries.

@@rogerbennett9641 What country are you from roger ? Are you able to say or is the big bad eu prohibiting you , ukip think uk is one country Even though its 4

stewee2011 Thank you for this comment completely relevant to the video.

In that clip I hit a table opening the door. We did a retake because it looked so bad. Yet it made the final edit lol.

Peter Campbell 😆

You support Scottish independence but not UK independence from the EU. Hypocrite.

mogznwaz That’s not even hypocrisy. What the fuck are you on about?

I vote for independence for all EU countries

Scotland voted to stay in the UK. Not to stay in the UK so they don't leave the EU, because SNP wanted to rejoin the EU anyway.

And the Scottish accent

I don't believe you.

I'm like your neighbour. As a socialist, I recognise that the only way to achieve my aims are through Brexit. Socialists are tricked into being Remainers by being told that Brexit equals racism. That said, the far left never fell for that. Almost all far-left parties endorsed Leave. I am in the tradition of Tony Benn.

@@YorickReturns Not leaving the EU and all its institutions the Labour party would not be able to implement any changes in trying to nationalise any British companies That is why Corbin has been very quiet on the direction the labour party are going, scared he loses the backing of Momentum if he follows his past stance on EU and scared of losing 5 million leave voters in the north if he declares for remain his only option was to call for another referendum in a so called peoples vote so he cant be blamed for any decision he would have to make

@@bosoerjadi2838 Man just click on the icon, he claims to be a brexiteers but he listen to american confederate music, he is just an idiot looking for attention like the one with the kitty cat and the baseballs. American alt-right trying to make critical mass for europe alt-right because society is cruel with white males that cannot have slaves anymore

@@Archeaon What has music got to do with brexit you plonker? Lol

Nah mate more of us huns than tims in Scotland thanks...

Nah, he just doesn't follow the status quo like you morons. You want independence from the UK because you want to control your country and your laws even though you want to stay in the EU where your laws are controlled by the EU commission in Brussels. That makes no sense at all.

@@toonlegend4044 It doesn't make sense because it's a moronic mischaracterization of the EU lol. The UK is an anachronism wherein Scotland is not a proper free country. Every country in the EU is a proper free country.

@@TheSpiritOfTheTimes They have the Barnett Formula! They have freed healthcare and free education! That all goes if they leave! Think man! If you believe the EU is a free state, then you are deluded!

​@@TheSpiritOfTheTimes No, you're classically misunderstanding the EU. The EU commission is in charge of proposing and accepting new laws that affect all 28, soon to be 27, member states. The European Parliament has no real power in term of creating legislation. Scotland on the other hand has a powerful Scottish parliament that can create it's own legislation. This is to a certain extent of course because you're a member of the UK, however to suggest that you're a fully independent country when inside the EU is simply moronic.

@@craig581So they should be grateful for their vassalage to the English because the munificent English pay for their healthcare and education?

And how would you bankroll the economy! That last time around the idiot SNP were going to run the country with another countries currency and use oil to fund the country. SNP went quite when the oil prices dropped like a stone and this country would have ended up like Greece......totally fucked. So I would say we are better as the UK.

I'll be voting to remain 👌 so that's your vote rendered useless

@@trophies1968 Same point as you're making about UK leaving the EU.

@@JC-mv7rw It is a free country. You can vote whichever way you want.

@@trophies1968 Ireland are doing rather well.

When she started quizzing me on my tattoos I got a bit startled as to why she was so interested. However to call someone 'mental' for possessing a different opinion to yourself brings your own mental state into question.

Yes I have no problem with a 2nd referendum with those 2 options. It gives us the choice and honours the first referendum too. Democracy is more important than the fecking EU, we MUST leave..

Hu Ludwig You cannot be independent if the EU owns you

Independence of what?

@@ScotsDestroyer XDXD. I wrote like that deliberately.

@@mark39ful U are wrong. U neglect the value of democracy and freedom, which EU doesn't have or give to us.

@@huludwig2486 what? Independence from who? The UK? EU?

That's the outcome I expect, too. That's why Cambridge Analytica were helping it.

Brexit is the start of a glorious future for our Kingdom

Cambridge analitica has nothing to do with ideologie it is taking profit no matter what conditions. Glorious future was maybe 100 years ago that's gone the world has changed u can/ not agree with it but reality will bite u back. Economy is the base country standing on and since 2016 it is gradually shrinking..

Oh no another remainer and there project fear😂

@littlebighorn how can beginning start with breaking everything you stupid idiot u can believe as much as u want in saint boris but facts matters more- economy is suffering. Why US is such a power? Because of economy and it is not no 5 it is no 1 and there are no stupid decitions moving them to no 10 or wtever..and by the way law and justice matters too

Because in 2014 we were told the only way to stay in the EU was to vote no to Scottish independence.

Callum McGregor Enthusiast What is your common things with EU? Language? Culture? There is nothing between EU and Scotland in reality while we have been united as great Britain with England and made History and shared language and manu other things , Scottish Independence is crazy is just like a nation who are destroying themselves and their history and oldest currency and more , you see now in Coronavirus crises there is no help between EU nation, EU is based on its own current interest and nothing more , Wake up before we lose everything as Great Britain and have little and weak Scotland and England who always need EU support

@boab boab 😂😂😂😂😂 what a pisser - all countries in the EU don’t have to follow EU regulations and pay for membership of the EU 😂😂😂😂😂😂 what a bellend 😂😂😂😂👌👌👌 advance Britannia!!! XXXXX 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Scotland doesnt wish to be that independent 😋

Of course you would u yessers are always moaning

Yes, this is true independence.

I respect that choice far more than leaving the UK then signing over your independence to the EU!

You know at some point there will be a conservative government in holyrood. I don’t want it but it will happen. Being independent won’t mean that Scotland is never ruled by a right wing government

@@gregorarmstrong2478 Have no problem with a Conservative Government in Holyrood if voted by my fellow country men/women after Independence happens. If that's the choice of the people of Scotland so be it, but the Tories will never win in Holyrood without Independence happening they just have nothing to offer us Scots, which is a travesty. The whole point of Independence is to allow the 5.5mil of us to elect a Government that represents us

That Scottish Guy It seemed as though you thought that independence would prevent the conservatives gaining power. Also Scotland is represented in Westminister. There are fewer Scots so therefore there are fewer mps and constituency’s. When Scotland almost entirely voted labour did anyone say we weren’t represented? No because we voted the same way as most of England and Wales.

@@gregorarmstrong2478 EVEL changed everything regarding Scottish representation at Westminister, the Tories broke the model of how it worked before, indeed on the morning of the 19th of September when David Cameron walked out of number 10 and spoke of the need for the voice of England to be heard at Westminister with the introduction of English votes for English laws. Oh yes, Vote labour for a strong voice against the Tories, myself like so many others voted Labour and got a lesson in life, that's one of the reasons Labour party has died in Scotland. Voted 56 SNP MPs and learned another lesson in life regarding UK politics, the sight of both the main parties voting together to deny the stated will of the people of Scotland .

The SNP has less to offer to Scotland....The half of Scotland voted for Tories

Wandering Mage Scotland would never be free if they leave the UK because the EU will take over you Muppets

Funny how people are keen for the Scots to have independence but not the UK from the EU 🤔 hypocrites much?

Pish because this economic argument you state is a pipedream lad we're just as skint as the rest btw Spain will never allow us into the EU just think of the basque country and Catalonia...

And the SNP raised our income tax not Westminster so fuckoff way that shite anaw what a plum as long as u Tim's and sheepshaggers are outnumbered you'll never get independence btw my Mrs is expecting my 5th son 🇬🇧😂

Shock horror a weirdo that has no argument blanks me lol 😂😂

Andy F Yet your bold claims are easily proven wrong. Scotland currently loses billions in taxes each year to the UK [Ref 4]. Scotland contributes £10,700 in taxes each year to the UK per capita, compared to the UK average of £9,000; this means Scotland contributes £1,900 more per capita. The Barnett Formula sees Scotland get back £1,500 [ref 10] more than the UK expenditure average out with deficit of £9,000. This means Scotland loses £400 per capita to the UK each year, or the equivalent of almost £2.2bn in taxes. This means Scotland, each year, loses billions of pounds in taxes each year that it would otherwise have to spend if it were independent. Trident costs Scotland the equivalent of £180m every single year; depriving Scotland of hundreds of new police officers, nurses, GPs and over a thousand new teachers - something in which Scotland is in dire need of [Ref 17]. Scotland is the only country in the UK, apart from Northern Ireland, to be self sufficient in terms of trade; in fact its the only UK Crown Region, again part from Northern Ireland, to have a positive balance of trade. This means that Scotland exports more goods than it imports, even more than that of London, a region and city in which its economy is based on indirect trading [Ref 1]. Scotland’s largest export partner was the Netherlands and Norway for Imports (NI’s statistics were so high because both imports and exports were dominated by the Republic). Scotland’s balance of trade is +2.81 compared to the UK’s -6.48 or the rUK’s -7.35; this leaves Scotland’s GDPpc as £31,044 and the UK’s £26,806 [Ref 1]. Oil is not considered a Scottish Export but as a UK export, with the profit split amongst each country per population, meaning Scotland sees less than 10% of its total revenue accounted for trade. As shown, [Ref 13], Scotland’s trade is vast, but [Ref 14] we see that Scotland trades roughly £52.4bn IF including oil and gas that is produced by Scotland as a solely Scottish export and income, compared to UK trade as £48.9bn. Meaning Scotland trades with the rest of the world more than the UK, significantly with oil trade amongst Europe which produces the largest profit margin for taxation purposes, of which Scotland doesn’t see being a member of the UK Single Market. Not only does the EU want us to rejoin, but even Spain has withdrawn its opposition [Ref 6,7]. Not to mention the potential to join the Nordic Council [Ref 8], but even still, Scotland’s annuals membership fee will only come to a net contribution of between £0.3bn to £1.5bn, as it does vary each year. This is an estimate [Ref 9] as Finland and Scotland share identical stats that are used to calculate membership fees, so the Finnish fees will be identical to Scottish fees; the geographical subsidies to Finland are compensated by the Scottish fishing and oil subsidies. This means that the EU costs less than the UK with far more benefit, far more control and more sovereignty with the ability to retain more autonomy and have equal say. Something that the UK denies Scotland. EU officials from Spain (Scotland’s biggest proponent to independence in 2014) now support a legally independent Scotland rejoining the EU [Ref 11]. Specific members of EU countries such as from Ireland [Ref 16], Germany [Ref 12] and Iceland [Ref 15]. References 1. www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/RTS/Pages/default.aspx 2. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-per-capita-ppp 3. www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/QNA2017Q3 4. fullfact.org/news/do-scots-contribute-more-taxes-rest-uk/ 5. www.quora.com/Why-does-Scotlands-SNP-want-independence-from-the-UK-yet-remain-in-the-EU 6. www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/10/independent-scotland-would-be-welcome-to-join-eu-say-green-meps 7. www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/spain-drops-plan-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu 8. www.commonspace.scot/articles/8856/icelandic-legal-expert-says-scotland-should-join-nordics-instead-eu 9. europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries/member-countries/finland_en 10. www.scotsman.com/news/politics/public-spending-in-scotland-1500-higher-than-uk-average-1-429202 11. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/spain-drops-plan-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu 12. www.thenational.scot/news/17300030.angus-robertson-germany-is-seeing-sense-in-scottish-independence/ 13. www2.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/Exports/ESSPublication 14. www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/oilgas1718 15. www.snp.org/prime-minister-of-iceland-scotland-could-absolutely-be-an-independent-nation/ 16. mobile.twitter.com/nealerichmond/status/1099244986867036160 17. www.thenational.scot/news/17507578.revealed-what-scotland-pays-for-trident-every-year/

Andy F Shock horror, I take longer than 3 hours to reply because I not only have a life, unlike yourself who sits and trolls with erroneous, uninformed or straight up anti-capacious statements. And unlike you, I provide sources that disprove your adamant bullshit claims. Spain see us as setting an example to the Catalans and the Basques by holding a legal referendum, which benefits them in their arguments against Catalonia and Basque - and have just elected a coalition government between a VERY Pro-EU party and a party {Podemos} that supports the right to self determination. The SNP raised income tax on those earning above £33,000 - indirectly through equivalence; EVERY single Scot earning less than that pays LESS tax than in the rest of the UK. This tax power is also extremely limited in its capabilities, hence why mitigation is done via Holyrood cuts to compensate for expenditure loss by bond allocation from the Chancellor, in which we have NO control nor say over. I’m happy to pay more tax, given I earn above the threshold, because it gives back to a system that allowed me to get to where I am, providing opportunity for your 5th child to go to University, have access to healthcare, a decent infrastructure and legal system and get a decent education which you seem to have been deprived of unfortunately. Yoons like you wrap yourself in a Union Jack of denial, stick your fingers in your ears and ignore everything in front of you. You’d rather see all 5 of your children suffer in poverty and strife solely so you can call yourself British and repeat the same fallacious ideals - you Sir are no Father, and you should be ashamed.

Beige Machine But if Scotland keeps the UK IN the EU then Scotland leave the UK , only to then try to join the EU, the UK can simply veto Scotland’s EU application. Scotland would therefore be better NOT to have the UK in the EU to ensure they are accepted into the EU IF / when they get independence .

No the UK is not 'one country' it is since the late 1990s a semi federal nation. With a series of unique constitutional settlements with each constituent region. Scotland has its own Parliament and Wales and NI have Assemblies. each has the ability to make decisions on issues such as health, education, social welfare, agriculture and transportation that the UK government (seated in Westminster) has no control over outside of imposing budgetary constraints. Take my home, NI, for example if you lived in 'one country' the law would be same in each region BUT in NI we have special laws - the only armed police force in the UK, no same sex marriage, different public holidays, the special powers act means that serious criminal trials without a jury are the norm not the exception, serious curtailment of freedoms to speech and assembly that most in England would consider anti democratic and our government is a mandatory coalition (when it could be arsed to sit) to name but a few. So if the Laws in England are not the same as in NI then how can we live in 'one country'?

@Matt S they did give you a referendum

More proof that you're probably the life & soul of every party.

More proof that people with tatoos have more balls

In what way do I have 'less brains'? Is it simply because I differ in opinion to you? It's quite sad that you can't have a proper discussion about things. Instead of spouting irrelevant nonsense to mask your lack of intelligence.

@@petercampbell8987 you must be one of those tattoed up to the eyeball thugs farage talks about 😂

Tattoos on my arm is not exactly 'up to my eyeballs'. Name something I've done to make me a thug.I'll wait...

@littlebighorn well we will certainly be importing lower quality goods after Brexit as EU has higher standards than most. Quality of being in EU is good...Not sure what you mean?

@littlebighorn not saying that but USA are getting ready to sell us substandard food ie Chlorine washed chicken and many other foods that doesn't get in through EU regs. I will always be European regardless of Brexit which probably won't happen when we have a new referendum without xenophobic lies and promised money for NHS. It will be an overwhelming remain

The EU hasn't given us anything. It gives us some of the money back we give to it but decides how we spend it, it helps itself to our fishing waters and creates laws that help German manufacturers and French farmers!!

It will be turned into an AIRBnB hahaha No, for reals now, it will continue to belong to the Windsors. Foreigners can own property in Scotland, and that's exactly what they will be: a foreign family who owns property in the country, paying their taxes to the Scottish government!