Not really. The team is worth more now than It was when he bought in. He doesn’t care about their success, he cares about their value. And since F1 is refusing to allow other teams to join, it is creating value. It’s not like his football club, where they need to be good to bring in fans and revenue.
Well yeah? His busy promoting Deadpool 3 and doing other stuff. Just because you've invested in something don't mean you have to marketing for the stuff, especially not a F1 team.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Flavio's first advise is to get rid of Famin considering he was in charge of the worst engine program prior to his promotion to team principal
Alpine are like: "Hey, Red Bull have an old, out of touch, senile, loose cannon, as an advisor, and they seem to be doing alright. You think we should do similar? I've got someone in mind...."
Briatore is a highly intelligent person, who has twice built Team Enstone up to win championships. Yes he is controversial for rather obvious reasons, and very understandable why people aren't happy about his return, but he has that win at all costs attitude and strong leadership required to succeed. Very clear to see why Alpine want him. Twice, he built the team around a young world class driver. He also knew he has no technical knowledge, so he hired many top class engineers. He made sure he could compensate for his limitations. Highly talented man. Would class him as a flawed legend.
@@ametti000 He gets results. He pushes the boundaries. If you push the rules to the limit, you're bound to fall foul at some point. I see the appeal in hiring him. Not saying ethically it's the right thing, but ethics have small bearing on business.
"Yes he is controversial for rather obvious reasons, but he has that win at all costs attitude" Do you see the irony in your statement? When people believe the end justifies the means, what kind of world do you think they want for each other?
@@fading_trails So you think that the other teams are not trying to win at all costs? Abu Dhabi 2021? Austria 2002, or any other team orders, flexi wings... ring a bell? Eddie Jordan himself said in the podcast that if you're not pushing the limits, you're going nowhere. F1 is a sport of fine margins, and there is no rule about the "spirit of the regulations".
Because Pat did what he was told. Only obeying orders and all that. The "sin" from F1's pov was not admitting their sins, and taking their medicine there and then. Flav went all Italian rather than English public school boy about it, fought it tooth and nail, and denied it repeatedly ... Not a good plan which I am sure he has learnt from.
Because pat Symonds knew about it while Flavio did it and because Flavio is a convicted murderer, tax fraud, corruption and a pedophile from epistieen island
If The Race had to include every ‘absurd’ thing in every video they’d be extremely long. This video is about one man and one team. But sure, say it’s because there British because that’s the fashionable way to hate nowadays.
But that's a PR death sentence. Would you buy the ONE Alpine road car when Renault don't trust a PU they made to power their car. At this point just sell to Andretti
@@Am-jji1ev Difference being it isn't advertised. OEM's join F1 as advertising as showing expertise (amongst other reasons). What advertisement is it, that a car manufacturer can't build it's own engine and has to use another.
The Race was never so strickt and harsh on Ron Dennis or other McLaren (read; British team) members after the Spygate saga. Briatore did 1 thing wrong and he was punished for it by 15 years. Many other teams and high ranked members cheated along the history of F1, so don't be so hypocrite
It was 1 person in Mclaren that had information passed to him from an individual at ferrari. Where as this was collusion to affect a race result and possibly defraud gambling companies.
I remember during their IPO that Ferrari said that being in F1 was worth $500m a year in advertising. Even if you say that Renault's results mean it gets 1/3 of that value that's still about the budget cap. So they may essentially be getting an F1 team for free on money they would otherwise have to spend on marketing.
Calling the move absurd is beyond me. He may have done some questionable things in the past but this doesn't alter his accomplishments. In addition: all big team bosses did a few odd things. Remember 2019 when Binotto made that agreement with the FIA about their engines. Nobody ever knew what exactly had happened. If Alpine performs better again after him joining, it is the right decision.
Alpine have performed well, given where they started the year. They scored points with both cars in Barcelona, and Gasly would've finished ahead of Checo, had he not had a 5+ second pitstop. Don't forget that not all that long ago, McLaren had the slowest car on the grid and have managed to turn things around in less than a year. And nobody is expecting Alpine to make a similar jump, but they've shown promise and potential, with Occon finishing inside the points with an overweight chassis, in a race that saw zero retirements, on the most technically challenging circuit of the season.
@@robbiek4400 dude, I don't subscribe to any ott platforms. I haven't used Netflix for even a single solitary second of my existence. I've been watching F1 since 2001 (in an era when cable TV was considered a privilege in India) and haven't missed a single race ever since. Pea-brained morons have just Netflix to fall back upon.
@@robbiek4400 McLaren have been the second fastest team for almost an entire season now and have been beating the Factory Mercedes team comprehensively. But yeah! They're in a slump. I don't subscribe to any OTT platforms and haven't used Netflix/Amazon Prime/ etc for a single solitary second of my life. You, however, sound like a DTS fanboy.
@@augustinedsouza2451lol they finished 4th last season with 0 wins and are in 3rd this year so fat with 1. Have you even been watching F1 for a full season yet my newbie friend? McLaren has won a LOT of races and world championships. Just not in the past decade, they are happily finally coming out of their slump.
@@robbiek4400 so Zero wins and finishing last is the same as being the second fastest team that has Adrian Newey? Okay then! The remaining 9 teams should all quit F1 coz they're in a slump.
I think the problem with Andretti buying Alpine would be that all they really want/need from Alpine is the entry, they have their own facillities under construction in the US (plus that small base in Silverstone), they have their own technical team. While maybe some of the race day team could remain, a lot of people would probably lose their jobs and it would be the end of Team Enstone.
The thing I don’t understand is why no one is reacting to RBR’s inverse crash gate in Canada. RBR did the exact same as Benetton (put drivers and track workers at risk to manipulate the outcome) and they get a 3-place grid penalty while two guys get “life” bans. Perhaps both penalties were too extreme in both directions? Why is no one challenging this?
The main problem for this team is its lack of commitment. They have yo-yoed back and forth for years now. Running a team, selling the team, to running the team again, rebranding the team. It seems to me that for years they have wanted immediate success and when things are going badly, they run around like headless chickens, fearful of the negative image to the Renault brand, so they sell or rebrand and unwilling to ride out the bad times, instead blaming mismanagement at team, other teams spending more etc. Instead of just bringing on a talent group of individuals, that know how to run a F1 team, trust in that process and ride through it. At this point in time, they could salvage some brand image, by saying they are focusing their efforts on new ruleset, as specifically the new engine rules are intriguing for future technology in their family Renault cars.
Damn, has this English channel been so vitriolic against Williams or McLaren when they were at the bottom of the ladder? Or Haas, AlphaTauri or Sauber for that matter?
@@MrSkeleton131 second most successful Engine manufacturer in F1 HISTORY by WCC's and WDC's if you look at the stats only behind Ferrari, nobody remembers this.
Flav can spot Alpine problems from a distance of 1000km and he won't even need glasses. In spite of useless rants Flav is a highly accomplished F1 team principal.
The past repeating itself... Briatore managed the team from midfield to constructors champions in the mid nineties... Then was replaced ... Came back to the team when they were backmarkers to win constructors championship in the mid noughties ... Then was replaced ...
British media really jumping on the bandwagon to call the decision to hire a man, who has brought multiple teams to win WDC/WCC and never convicted/charged with wrongdoing, "absurd". Lol.
*I completely disagree that Andretti should have to buy-out the busted Alpine as they're leaving anyhow. Just leave and make way for a team that actually wants to compete!*
What does Renault need? Someone who knows how to make F1 business decisions on personnel, strategy and future plans. Briatore brings all of this to the table. Bringing him aboard therefore isn't as absurd as The Race is making it out to be. Ironically, I think, Briatore might be the only way to safe the Renault/Alpine F1 project.
I generally think your videos are excellent, but here The Race comes off as agitated and angry rather than just giving us the facts. The news IS bizarre - that cannot be denied - but the tone of the commentary, and video in general is rather surprising, especially in comparison to the usual first rate content. At least personally I appreciate your channel for the balanced and level headed views that give us the whole picture and this update seems slightly off. Not a big deal - but, I thought it was worth pointing out.
Did anybody else notice that the Andretti won’t tunnel pictures had a very similar airbox to the alpine. Also interesting that Renault is doing everything that would have it in the best position to sell the team.
A Flashy, Grand, Lunatic. Stylish, and Scandalous, and Talented. Ladies love him, Enemies hate him. Nothing is fair, in Love, and War. Flavio is the embodiment of the F1 ethos. Always find a way to WIN! Better put some RESPECT on his name... Flavio is BACK, baby! 💋
I have no idea what Flavio is doing back there (or anywhere really). I have a lot of respect for Otmar Szafnauer. He knew how to run a race team, but didn't have the cajones to point the finger at Viry-Châtillon (and Bruno Famin), where the obvious issues lie. The power / engine division is where the axe should have fallen. Not all the aero, performance, strategy peeps that jumped (or were pushed).
Im a newbie to the sport, so feel free to scream at me and teach me a lesson down here, but I think that’s a bit too critical. I know the success was 20, 30 years ago, but Briatore knows how to win *properly*. I don’t think that 1 incident literally throws his reputation out the window. Of course, it’s tainted, but saying it’s a massive L by Renault/Apline to bring in someone who has proven motorsport and F1 management pedigree and successful ones at that, as an advisor to your struggling F1 team, is a bit much. I suspect people are trying to manifest in their head, a takeover by Andretti.
Manipulating a crash in order to get a win in an unsportsmanlike manner is not an "incident" as you say. This is akin to football players getting involved in match fixing schemes and Briatore should suffer the consequences of his actions and stay far away from the sport as possible, not to be accepted back as a Messiah.
Who would Andretti have for a line up if they do buy it?…..interested as a US fan only having Sargent in the line up and has always failing to deliver.
Alpine’s floundering is further proof that the FIA have no right to call Andretti a risk or subpar entry for F1. If this chicanery is a day in the life for an F1 team then how could Andretti/Cadillac possibly be worse for brand perception?
Bristle and almonds should be banned for life ordering a driver to crash and then Nelson obliges doesn’t go down well for all 3 of them! They should all be banned!
Andretti just needs to be let on the grid. The facilities they are building will already be far more modern than what many of the teams are using, and I'd be willing to be they'll be better than whats at Enstone.
Mclaren has its own road car division, and they are a merc customers, and no one dares speak ill of them... Becoming a customer team is a very good idea for Alpine, given the 2026 regs... the question is, who would that Supplier be... Red Bull?
The Brits will never stop hating Flavio despite him winning Hamilton a WDC in 2008. Why aren’t they this hard on Pat Symonds who was also part of Crash-Gate or the many, many engineers and TPs who’ve been involved in even more serious scandals. What difference does it make that he goes back to the same team?
"Past conduct is irrelevant if they bring performance." Yup. Not much different than the way most of the world works, actually. We shouldn't be shocked but for some reason, we always seem to be. As an old Sergeant Major of mine was fond of saying - "There's the way it ought to be, and there's the way it is. You can fantasize all you want about the former but in the end, you have to live with the latter."
Why does it seem that none of these insight videos mention the huge increase in F1 and therefore team revenue, and join the dots between that and the fact that Haas and Renault seem quite happy to sit in the mid to rear of the grid, and are not interested in selling. Has F1 turned from being a money pit into a cash cow?
Please for the love of everything holy….sell that team to Andretti! Dying to see a proper US attempt and with Cadillac doing decently at WEC. Love to see them building an F1 engine.
I had some respect for Alpine (mostly Renault) since they were the one car brand regular people can afford battling in Formula 1, with the giant supercar brands, and they had no shady sponsors (at least recently, as far as I know) like all other teams do. They made themselves just as much of joke as Haas.
Given that Briatore's time in charge of Benetton was full of controversy and he was still able to come back to Renault after the team's purchase in the early 2000s, and given further that the team hasn't been particularly successful without his input (except that one glorious year or two with Kimi at Lotus, and even that was relative to its general unimpressive record otherwise), what's the big deal about him coming back this time? If a man as slimy as Ecclestone can run the whole sport for three decades, I think Briatore's fine to be an advisor to a single team. Here's the better question: "What's in it for Flavio?"
Interesting. Would GM purchase the Alpine mark (a half-price European Corvette badge) if it comes with a no hassle entry for Andretti-Cadillac into F1? That may justify the ridiculous $1.5bn price in GMs corporate accounts.
Andretti: "But I bring Le Cadillac" FOM: "Shut up, we don´t want you. You would not add anything to the sport." Alpine: "Any of you got one of them engines for us? We don´t know how to build one" FOM: "Ah yes, these 10 teams are the absolute pinacle of motorsport, we don´t need anything else."
Considering they’re trying to get Sainz to drive for them and Briatore’s got a good record with The Michael and Fernando, it’s probably not as ludicrous as people make out.
Renault, this time around, has never been willing to invest enough to make a decent F1 team, or seem capable of maximising the potential of the capital investment they did have. Unlike, for instance, Force India, and the number of seasons that they have been vacillating about whether or not to stay in F1 does not inspire confidence or motivate a Team.
On engine customers you said: “Such a move would completely discredit Renault’s F1 team, given running as an engine customer immediately sacrifices some performance potential.” But what about Red Bull winning three championships in a row with a Honda engine?
Being a works team is a plus but also massively overrated. Red Bull did well for awhile despite not being one, when it was using, ironically Renault engines. Also if they feel like they can't build a better engine (and last few years has seen some evidence of that), it's better to go for the customer option.
Rumor had it they had talks with Newey and offered him shares I wouldn't be surprised it's f1 anything can happen who knows Alonso might return in a season or two.😅
McLaren are a customer team - fighting for wins! And developing an engine in a different country to the chassis surely has it's problems. Wouldn't Honda be the most likely supplier? I see some sense here. As for Flav, maybe he will being some much needed direction.
I really wonder what kind of positive market value the whole Alpine team has for anyone. This must be just one big money pit. If it has any effect on the reputation and sales of Alpine and Renault it would be a negative effect. Now that they bring Flavio back, would you want to be seen driving round an Alpine?
Andretti/Cadillac: Hey we have a storied racing name, a team based in America and the largest US auto manufacturer as our engine supplier, can we race? F1: No Alpine: Hey we want to rehire a criminal and ditch our engine program. Also F1: Cool.
