I was a prison guard at a state prison. One former coworker said Brig Duty was rough because you served with most of them. That, or just being fellow Service members made it that more mentally draining. He said after a while, you understand you have a job to do and you do it to best of your abilities
The way I looked at it was, it was the inmates job to try to get over on me. It was my job to keep them from getting over on me. It wasn't that hard because all of them were military. So they had some discipline. In the three years only had 2 inmates who I knew before, one who worked for me on the ship, but he wasn't in my unit.
I wouldn't want it. On my ship, we had a guy go to the brig before transferring off. He was charged with inciting mutiny and I think it was right to prosecute him for that. Here's what I didn't like about what I saw: when he was being marched to chow, there was an MAA constantly walking half a step behind him, at least part of the time he was yelling in the prisoner's ear for no good reason, telling him that he's shit (among other things), and physically threatening him (telling him that he's going to get his ass kicked, telling him all the things that will happen to him if he steps out of line, like "hitting the steel deck with your face", "your gonna need the infirmary when I'm done with you", things like that). That's not instilling the proper discipline or doing your job, that's being a shitty person and bullying. If that's part of the job, I'd rather stay an engine-room guy. It's conditioning MAAs to be sadistic and take pleasure in abusing people. I saw this several times a week, and several times in full view of the Chief Master-At-Arms. As far as I'm concerned, the MAAs were just as guilty of offenses as the guy in the brig. The guy is in the brig because he f**ked up, the MAAs aren't and they're supposed to be better than that.
When I was Stationed in Long Beach,CA. Late 80's we had a guy get out honorable discharge no problem he waited 3 days was 3rd. Class if my memory serves me correct. Didn't like one of the Chiefs from another Division we all use to hang out @ the Red Onion in Lakewood,Ca. So the Chief was there he drug him out and beat him to a pulp in the parking lot. Shore patrol was called in said Chief if you wanna press charges he's a CIVILIAN!! 🤣. Shore patrol asked if anyone saw anything NOPE no-one saw anything let him go. Chief was humbled then 🤣🤣.
I was a brig duty "chaser", at the Pearl Harbor brig, back in the mid 90's, Every Marine i took to the brig was a friend of mine at one time, most of them went into CCU, where they are treated pretty much like new recruits for 30 days
I will never understand why someone would go through all that hard work to get into the military only to play games and end up in a place like this. All the new guys who are going into the military I always tell them if you hate it the best thing you can do is do your time and get out. That way you do not lose your veterans benefits for the rest of your life. Nobody loves being there, but you find reasons to like it. Then free college at the end. Edit: as an inmate! INMATE!!!!!
75% of folks in the brig are good people who burned out mentally and made a mistake or maybe made a bad call after being surrounded by toxic people or substances. The military breeds discontent and there's not much of a support network for people legitimately needing help.
I think you are understating the importance of every job in the Navy. Everyone has the opportunity to change their rating/job. No job is easy and there are many jobs assigned to E-3's and below (like picking up trash and cleaning receptacles) that are an incentive to make E-4. I respect this sailor to the nth degree, and she's an inspiration to all sailors.
My dad spent a couple of weeks in the brig in Hawaii. He was a Marine and had punched a Corporal and a Sergeant. They let him out in time to catch the boat to Iwo Jima. He got out with an Honorable Discharge and a Purple Heart but no Good Conduct Medal.
Dad spent 29 years in the Military. Marines, S.C. National Guard, Army air Corps and retired from the Air Force ! He said, when in the Marines, they would Walk into a Bar, but they Always had to Fight their way out ! after the Marines, he was never in the Brig again. Served on Lady LEX CV-2 in 1932. after retirement he Helped put the First Men on the Moon from Pad 39A at the Space Center !
My first duty station out of schools in the Marine Corps back 1970, I was attached to an artillery unit as a radio operator. They told me I had to escort a prisoner from a holding building to the brig on Camp Lejeune. The Marine was all of 5 foot nothing, he had to carry his footlocker about 6 blocks. They told me not to talk to him and stay 1 step behind him, they gave me a mess chit as he was allowed lunch and then I dropped him off at the brig. Following orders, it was crazy.
Had to do two brig chases as a Marine. First was a WM (as they where called in the 60s) who had over-stayed a compassionate leave during boot camp. Had to excort her to and from quarters for a week. Then they gave her a travel cit back to PI and we escorted her to the airport. LOL. The second was while in the Naval Hospital for some tests and made the ward Master at Arms. A guy got taken in for mental eval after taking an axe to another Marine during a field exercise. He was ok until I got him to the ward with the big bars and burly corpsman-we had a real fight on our hands then. Semper Fi and Happy Birhday USMC!
As I was being mustered out, I spent two weeks working the brig at Norfolk. My job was to escort any prisoner to wherever they needed to go on base. It was a weird way to leave the Navy
@@charletonzimmerman4205 I would think it makes sense to give demotivating jobs to those who are no longer motivated to stay in the Navy anyway... Why demotivate those who are actually motivated to be in the Navy ?
@@stijnvandamme76 For me , It was Demeaning, after a 10 month deployment to the Middle East, during a "HOT", Political situation, Like one now is Israel , & treated like a , "TOOL".
I went to Captains Mast once. The XO gave me a choice of 60 days restriction and 60 days extra duty or 3 Days bread and water in the Norfolk brig. I took the 3 days. That is 3 days with all the bread you can eat and all the water you can drink. It is also no talking and only a bible in the cell. After reveille and before lights out, there is no sitting or sleeping on the bunk. What they don't tell you is that afterwards, you shit literal bricks. Still better than 60/60.
I have a cousin same age as me, he was in the Marines, I was Army. When I got back from Vietnam in 1968 I heard that my cousin went AWOL from the Corps, his older brother who was also a Marine told me that the cousin in the Brig tried to desert to avoid Vietnam. The stay in the Brig was no picnic. The guards beat the dog shit out of him. He ended up getting kicked out with a bad discharge. Screwed his whole life up.
Dude i served with on Eisenhower was being sent back to the States. Discharge or other can't recall. He was a thief. They literally pulled him off the line to board the COD leaving the ship and put him in the brig for his thefts. Was amazing, from "home free" to "not so fast, sailor...."
I'm pretty sure my Dad was in that same Brig before WWII ! I saw his DD-214 and notice he was in the Marines for six years. I asked if he Re-enlisted. He said "Brig time don't count !
What shocked me about military service is how so many petty, incidental behaviors were deemed criminal in the military. And in upfront areas, sleeping on duty would warrant a firing squad. All these little things together, could land anybody in the brig! Not just your father.
@@charlesburke2379 My Great Grandfather achieved the rank of Sgt in WW1. He was arrested, spent time in the Brig, and was eventually discharged for "Failing to maintain." He also received field punishments No. 1 and 2. For other infractions. Field Punishment No. 1, entailed labour duties and attachment to a fixed object such as a post or wheel for two hours a day. Field Punishment No. 2 differed only in that the soldier was not bound to a fixed object.
Coming back from Korea on a ship. The supply clerk in our unit was in the ships brig so I visited him a couple of times. If I ever wanted to get in trouble seeing that cured me quickly. He was jailed for assaulting a Korean woman and was sentenced to a stockade in the U.S. this was 1958.
@@shotgunkingj1670 their are separate ones. Theres navy ran brigs, and marine ran brigs. Like the brig in norfolk Virginia is ran by the navy cause its on a naval base, the brig in north Carolina is ran by marines
Between basic and tech school i was assigned to C&C (i think that is what it was called)...had some bad guys in there, fortunately i pulled only 2 night shifts before leaving for school. Had to do bed, foot locker locks, and door checks once an hour, fortunately the "guests" were asleep.
Shore Duty at NAS Pensacola Brig from 1979-1981 .. Looking back wsn't so bad , but at the time I hated it . We went to MP school at Fort Mc Clellan Al .. They told us once you get used to it , it's not so bad , but when you leave the base for the last time , you will get a great sigh of relief that it's over ..
Good ole military correctional officers school at Fort McClellan ! I was part of the last class the Navy did there in the early 90s. They moved it down to Texas and put it on Lackland AFB…
@@skipgumphrey9579 RTR , best part at McClellan was I was 90 minutes from home and Pensacola was two and a half /three hours , I was in Bama half of my two year stint at NAS
Never respected them. Off duty, they kept reminding former inmates of offenses. They were full of themselves beyond the confines. I was a Prisoner Escort in the late 1980s. They are mine once in my custody. I fileted 2 brig custodians before their peers after constantly running their mouth as we got everyone into my van. I knew harassment took place and never documented. I caught them, filed a formal complaint that stuck, and saw them supervising a working party making making gravel. The girl lost her NCO rate.
As a young sailor I was in the brig, you know "what would you do with a drunken sailor early in the morning" as well as putting guys in later myself as an MAA. I wouldn't mind spending time in your brig. … "Fair Winds and Following Seas"
As a Master Sergeant, and Instructor Supervisor at a Tech Training base, I was given an additional duty (90 days) to run Correctional Custody. This was the Air Force's way of disciplining young troops that had received an Article 15, but were deemed worthy of keeping in the military. I was forced to be tough as nails..well outside my normal character. I think that was why I was chosen.
@Dr Virulent - When? My dad was stationed there until his retirement in '90. He worked in the Quarterdeck building. He was the CPO you went to see for non judicial punishment if you f'ed up.
@Johnston Steiner and if civilians do stuff on shore installations they're not supposed to, they're held in the brig till the local cops and/or FBI comes to get them or decides what to do with them.
I came back to CONUS, on Terminal Leave, to "Philadelphia" in 81' from CV-67 deployment, as a EM3, they tried to assign me, "Brig Duty" as a "Chaser", I guess, almost got NJP'd, as I failed to report, as I showed them my Leave paperwork, when my EAOS , came up.
What does one do to get “Thrown in the brig”? As a land loving Civilian, I only know the brig from Star Trek when one side tries to take over the Starship Enterprise, one side or the other is kept in the brig for safe keeping. 🤷♀️
I went to Captains Mast once....for a fight. The XO gave me a choice of 60 days restriction and 60 days extra duty or 3 Days bread and water in the brig. I took the 3 days. That is 3 days with all the bread you can eat and all the water you can drink. It is also no talking and only a bible in the cell. After reveille and before lights out, there is no sitting or sleeping on the bunk. What they don't tell you is that afterwards, you shit literal bricks. Still better than 60/60.
@TheCabledawg1 there's two main brigs in conus Mira Mar brig in San Diego the one I served at and one in Charleston SC. I think there's smaller temporary brigs elsewhere and overseas.
@@BalakeHart-nh4xh I was stationed at Little Creek, VA and went to the brig at the main base in Norfolk. I thought you meant there was 2 brigs at Norfolk.
In 1979-80. NSO - Port Services. One of our guys received sentence of Brig 30 Days + 30 days Bread & Water. Our division which was already in 4 sections ( If Im remembering right) had to supply a man for the brig watch (while our man was in the ships brig)
Numbers. The Marine Corps was looking for a few good men and came up short. Marines were needed for more pressing things, like fighting. Sailors took over most of the sentry duties that the marines once stood. I recall seeing "MAR DET" signs on a ship that had been partially obscured by haze gray paint. We need to bring back conscription or the next time we go to war, we will need to put on our rubber butt.
@@danh1945 why spend all that money training Marines to become America's angry pitbull.. weapons training, calesthenics, infantry tactics etc etc Just to run a brig with Pearl Harbors Liberty sinners??
The Navy created the Master at Arms rating (MAA) years ago. Before that, the MAA was known as a detail. It was assigned to Petty Officers and Chief Petty Officers to fill the MAA billets on ship and ashore.
Nothing is tough with a female as the Brig Duty Officer. Never had a rough day in her life. Can’t do the same physical exams as her male counterparts. The men do all her work.
entirely correct. all she does is point and talk; yet affirmative action GAVE her a bigger collar over time but nothing close to equal. Then I went to Abu Ghraib prison and saw the entitled women get handled without hesitation. Their "entitlements" didn't mean a thing. The only way they changed their MOS was from a hospital bed.
I don’t know what the surface ships did but on a submarine we would switch over to Greenwich Mean Time as soon as we underway. We stayed on GMT right until we tied up to the pier at the end of our patrol. Since we were underwater for 70 days it didn’t really matter as far as day and night were concerned.
This is unfortunately the worst way to handle corrections within the military; if you look at the way other militaries do it - it's meant as a training and rehabilitation opportunity primarily. They aren't guards manning the brig, they are trainers.
All branches of the service had inmates in the facility I served at in the 90s. It was done ONE WAY, there weren’t differing forms of treatment based on which branch of service they served in. You also weren’t there for training or rehabilitation. You weren’t there to punish either. Your function in the absolute simplest terms was to guarantee the safety of the facility and those within by fair, firm, and impartial enforcement of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the facility Standard Operating Procedures…
As someone who has been an actual correctional officer I'm wondering how she's ACA professional of the year when all of her inmates are self selected people who volunteered to serve... as opposed to any normal lockup on earth where law enforcement selects inmates out of the community... I can't imagine being scared or bothered at all to work a brig.
Wouldn't it be worse than regular jail? Cause if you get in trouble the sentence is worse and everyone acts like a gang in there. Plus if you tried to reach the outside world about you getting abused they would fuck you up more.
@@shortaybrown Posession with intent to distribute weed. Destruction of government property. Theft of government property. Failure to obey lawful orders. Numerous of those. Drunk drivings. Multiples. Fights. I guess the question is what didn’t I do?
@@HappyCaffeine Because I was young and crazy. Had no business being in the military. Didn’t affect my life negatively in the least. I’m now a business owner and make plenty of money.
It is NOT uncommon for Sailors to wear both the Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist and Air Warfare Badges, much like Reconnaissance Marines wearing Combatant Diver Badge and the Parachutist Wings, and, Soldiers wearing both Airborne, Air Assault Badges.
Dude the wooks that work at the brig can be hot especially navy bring corrections officers. I been to mcipac Okinawa and navcon Miramar. Gonna make a tell all video.
I was USAF Security Police, I did several prisoner transfers and watch duties. My two favorites were making the "hard labor" prisoners at Lackland AFB sweep the Base HQ parking lot with whisk brooms and making them lift the cement parking lot bumper blocks and sweep under them, God damn that was funny. Then, on Guam, there was a guy who had been arrested by the Marine MP's on the Navy base for assaulting an Officer. He was so violent and abusive to the MP staff and other prisoners, the Marines moved him to a cell on the USS Proteus. He was alone for three days, by time we got there to remove him, he was a raging maniac. Four of us went in to get him, he came out chained and cuffed, and pretty subdued. The Marine's though, they weren't gentle, LOL.
@@cebusam7545 the prisoners could fuck up their lives especially the maniac who might get a dishonorable discharge if he is charged with an equalivent of a felony. With that he can kiss any decent job goodbye and he can't even own guns as a civilian. At least the "scrub" has a decent future once their contract is up.
@@alje311 scrub doesn't have right or balls to treat Any member of the Armed forces badly. Many Offenses are Not comparable to Civilian life. Sure, DD discharge is Bad, but until your Out, you are still a Military Member. The people who did the Dirty on my ship were Master at Arm's, ship police. Were at the Center of All Corruption! But they supposedly Caught the Bad sailors!? We are All Human. Some can take the BS of the Military, some can't. The guy above laughed at abusing prisoners. He should have been Charged! Scrub. Hope he got to meet the abused out in Public.
at 00:48 and others, times or so, if you sign a log, make the log horizontal , then your pen/pencil/quill...does not run out of ink......good video........h6ukvet
Spent time at brig, Long Beach, San Diego, Subic Bay, philippines. As an Inmate. No big deal. Loved when women guards started being assigned. Especially at shower time.
@@Highfidelity-iu2ry you must have been in a different navy. The master at arm's on my ship were involved in dirty deeds. From slushing money, selling Anything. We Partied 24/7. Was early 80s. Our ship actually Told sailers what to pay Prostitute's on video broadcasting before each county we pulled into. Westpac. 9 months of complete intoxication. You wouldn't know about that.
I was on a ship. When a female yelled, "Woman in berthing!" as they were supposed to do as they entered, some guys would quickly drop their pants in response.
Military prisoners are NOTHING like felons. They are still in the military and continue to have a sense of respect for rank and station. Try going to a regular prison and the difference is obvious
You couldn’t be more wrong actually. The military has a number of large long term facilities such as the one I served at in the 90s. We had more than our fair share of murderers, rapists, and whatnot. And unlike the prisoners in a civilian facility, they were all trained to fight/kill. Nice try though lol 😝
I have indeed been in a “REAL” prison. During my misspent youth. I don’t recommend it. I was also the senior control center supervisor at the Naval Consolidated Brig in Charleston from 1992-1996. I am indeed uniquely qualified to accurately make the statement I made. It was factual. Unlike your assumptions.
@@skipgumphrey9579misspent youth? So medium yard, trustee, hard time or federal? Because I’ve been I two of those, not in my youth, as a Marine. So maybe my prison time and actual time in service was FAR DIFFERENT THAN YOURS. From my view, ITS a WAY FKIng different system. Military PRISONERS know they are still in the MILITARY, and still get the same MEDICAL and CARE, of a person in the military. Even federal prisoners don’t get treated as well as those in the brig.
I had MP duty overseas; and drove the liberty boat as well; drunk crew had many accidents falling into the boat when returning to the ship bad attitudes n big mouth was cause...
I had Brig Duty one ☝️ time aboard The USS New Orleans LPH 11. 2 guys were in there at the time I knew just them two !! I Remember giving them Loaves of bread 🍞 and jugs of water 💦 🤣😂😅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@brianhahn242410 years at FCI FLORENCE 94-2004,FCI GIMER 2004-2007 FCI HER LONG 2007-2014 Retired on my 20 year mark also had 14 years military time added on for a total of 35 government service, nice retirement check GS - 8 step 10
I know why they are showcasing a female sailor. There are no male sailors who are competent. Only women are capable of working at this level of command. Good job all around. Yea for strong and independent women.
its a level 1 yard nothing to worry about at pearl Harbor other than a few murder cases pending trial time to time but that is rare. mostly weirdos getting caught with child porn on their lap top or doing something stupid to get there, Fraud, deserters , Drug use and the occasional assault. it was soft as all the people guarding it when i got put in there for Housing allowance fraud. She wouldnt make if was anything other than a low level place like this island tour
i worked for DoS later. when i was in he army i went to pensacola NAS...1998. met a pretty NCO like this lady. about early 30s. 3 days in the city. should of married her...oh, should i have married her. ah, no i was there for a school...not 'the" brig.
The brig in Hawaii is just a jail. Anybody getting any time gets sent to Miramar. And Miramar sends CO's to Hawaii to pick them up. What was she scared about? Did that nonrate doing 3 days bread and water give you the stink eye?
@mwillblade A ships captian can give 3 days bread and water to any E3 and below. Small ships don't have a brig, so if they were in port they would send them to a shore brig. We would just give them a loaf of bread and a paper cup three times a day. No yard time or TV outside their cell,
@@bsilva1243 The Guy on my ship got this punishment, he had to get a physical before he was sent to somewhere in Long Beach Ca., I didn't believe him when he told me!
@mwillblade I got out in '99. They still did it then. The reason I was harsh, most brig inmates were in for stupid stuff, in the 3 years I worked at miramar we had one guy in for manslaughter, one guy for "attempted murder through sexual intercorse" (hiv) and one marine who was in for conspiracy to commit murder (talked about offing his Sargent). Most were in for drugs and date grape. Some were in for writing bad checks at the NEX.
Depends on the facility. The typical “waterfront brig” or shipboard brig would have folks locked up short term awaiting transfer or for very mild military offenses like failing to follow orders or absent from the appointed place of duty. The larger long term facilities are where you find the folks convicted of murder, rape,etc…
Great job. Former Marine mos 5831. Marine Detachment U.S.D.B. Fort Leavenworth Kansas 1980 to 1982, Brig Camp McTourus Okinawa Japan 1982 to 1983, Camp LeJeune brig 1983. Good luck Be safe. Semper Fi
Wonder if she's a MMA. Friend mone td she worked the brig in Norfolk. She told when the prisoners get stripped search they loss it. Asked her about that get released. When found not guilty of charges. They just released. Asked her about the pay. & the embrassemnt pay. They don't get it Navy just released them
Americans don’t understand the simple fact that treating someone like a prisoner will result in that they will act like a prisoner and not a resonable person. It teaches prisoners that bad actions are punished but not that refraining from bad actions is rewarded. Furthermore: it cerates a sort of ”we/them” setting where individuals don’t trust authority, be it the government on the civilian side or the COC in the military.
For the civilian side of criminal justice in America it is much more complicated than that and is why it does need reform. But I can't say that'll happen anytime soon.
While not of the same scope nor severity, I can...Im an alumni of the Navy's CCU (minimum security brig)Norfolk... Spent a wonderful 30 days, only for NCIS to only prove my innocence a couple months later. I got my months pay back, but never the 30 days...
@@hunterroberts9951 ended up having to file complaint against CO...it got ugly!! Whole command tried to burn me, even CMC threatened me to just drop it. But stuck to my guns, and NCIS eventually got it cleared up. Funny thing, it destroyed the COs career. My dad was retired Chief from WWII, and had a lot of buddies, some being Admirals, including Zumwalt, the ex-Vietnam era CNO, who was still a Presedential advisor at the time. Dad suggested he could "make some calls", and he did, in spite of my asking him not to. The CO never went to sea or had another command and the CMC mysteriously retired much earlier than he'd planned. But, id had enough and left at the end of first enlistment...
Softball duty babysitting drunken disorderly sailors. My dad was in the Air Force, he was a Staff Sergent in the 70's with a crew of Civil Engineers, former roughnecks, and guys just finishing out their enlistment in Grand Forks. he was constantly havign to go bail these guys out for getting drunk,drugs, etc. These were construction workers stuck in the most boring duty station in the lower 48, haha.
I have no idea what that means, but all day long I've been calling everyone in my family a "Pog Ass Sea Wook". When they ask me what that means, I just say "yeah, that's right". My daughter is especially confused. I'm sure every one of them wishes you ill.
@@SeattleRex - POG means Person Other than a Grunt! Obviously, the "bullet absorbers (Infantry...grunts) all think they're the "King shit" when they're clearly not! Maybe crayons factor into the equation!! Who f*cking cares!! 😂😂
@@SeattleRex You also need to thank people who have never even walked through the front door of a Military Entrance Processing Station for their service. The more you invalidate anyone who is on active duty, the better. 😔
This requires THREE WEEKS of training. Half of the training is putting on your keys and badge. The other half is how to write on a clipboard on a wall while looking in a window. If you think you can complete learning these strenuous tasks in three weeks, you may have what it takes to become a brig guard. (Blond hair dye not required, but helpful.)
Shore duty in the Naval Security Forces really is just one baby step up from being a security guard at Target. The CNIC civilian police are all unionized, and are politically powerful enough such that the active duty MA's know better than to do more than just observe and report while on land.
