Brilliant new McLaren 650S tested at the limit on track

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The latest addition to McLaren's line-up may be based on the 12C, but it's a whole new ball game. Steve Sutcliffe puts the McLaren 650S coupe to the test on track.
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The McLaren 650S is almost as fast as a Bugatti Veyron, but costs less than one fifth of the price. After driving the McLaren 650S Spider last week, Steve Sutcliffe takes to the Ascari circuit in southern Spain to discover if the replacement for the McLaren 12C lives up to the promise of being much faster and more exciting to drive.
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@rousseau327 10 лет назад

I didn't like the front-end when it was first introduced, but it's starting to grow on me. It gives the 650S the dash of specialness in design that the 12C didn't have.

@une_olive 10 лет назад

I exactly have the same feeling!

@JonathanNichollsjono 10 лет назад

Olivier Martel Savoie It looks like a mix of road car and the GT3 racer... Purposeful

@AnDuKn0Thi5MaN 10 лет назад

My thoughts exactly! The 12C just didn't feel like it stood out enough. I think we were all expecting more of a surprise when McLaren first revealed it. But I think they got it right this time, this is what the 12C should have been all along!

@zhbroder 10 лет назад

this 650s is really growing on me.

@chrislaracy7265 10 лет назад

I felt like the oddball when it came out, I've absolutely loved the styling from the beginning, and it's grown on me even more since release. The white with the black trim is downright sexy and the performance is outstanding apparently.

@zhbroder 10 лет назад

***** see i really didn't care for the facelift at all but i'm starting to like it. now their brand has a distinct aesthetic and it looks less stupid

@tvanb 10 лет назад

Hahah good bye tires @ 4:30... Look at all those rubber chunks!!

@Cur8or88 10 лет назад

I hope it was some of the older debris already on the track.

@FloShaban 10 лет назад

Geez you weren't kidding. I really hope Cur is right and it was older debris because that seems like a dangerous amount to go from 1 drift.

@marcofava 10 лет назад

I think this and the 458 speciale need a head to head, badly

@JonathanNichollsjono 10 лет назад

***** Crucifies? If you mean in a straight line then yes... However, the 458 Italia held its own against a 12C (Corsa tyres) on the track, and was faster than a normal tyred 12C... Let the games begin!

@alexlam24 10 лет назад

Jonathan Nicholls I thought they tested the 2010 model which had an unoptimized ecu and what not.

@JonathanNichollsjono 10 лет назад

***** I see. So let's have a four way battle 12C vs 458 Italia vs Speciale vs 650s.

@brannonbarakat457 10 лет назад

Yep I don't know what Lamborghini was thinking when making the huracan the 458 speciale beats it 0-60 and huracan is awd and speciale also beats it 0-124

@B0SS330 10 лет назад

I would be very surprised if the Speciale kept up with this... 597hp from a 4497cc V8 is world beating and probably something McLaren will never achieve in a production car but still 44hp short of the 650S which also has a massive 20% torque advantage over the Ferrari. If you're looking for a fair fight... stick a blower on that Ferrari V8 and let's see what happens (supercharger vs twin turbo)

@trefod 10 лет назад

For once I'd like to see a fast car driven fast, instead of driven like drift racer. It's like going sideways has erased all other forms of automotive enjoyment, because it makes for spectacular video. The 650s is a supercar, portraid here as a Sileighty.

@taylor1038 10 лет назад

That's what I hated about Jeremy Clarkson and Tiff Needel's interpretation of the 12C. They only wanted sideways shenanigans while ignoring the fact that the 12C was (and still is) one of the fastest cars on the road. I think setting a ridiculous Nurburgring lap would be just as fun as drifting if not more so.

@trefod 10 лет назад

taylor1038 word!

@domzbu 10 лет назад

Couldn't agree more!

@jhaabhishek 10 лет назад

taylor1038 12C is a great car...and Jeremy and Tiff didnt like it because it wasnt as good as a 458. The 458 is a very predictable car and easy to powerslide but they liked it more because the 458 can also set a fast lap time...whereas the 12C is good to drift(not as good as the e-diff in the Ferrari), also good in getting a lap time but not as much as the Ferrari...in other words the 458 was just more crisper. But with this(650s) Mclaren is back

@InZomnia365 10 лет назад

abhishek jha What are you talking about. The 12C wasnt tailhappy at all. Its a almost clinically correct, scientific masterpiece for going fast. It was quicker than the 458 around a track, and doing so with millimeter precision... Jeremy said it was fantastic, but it was a bit dull. It lacked that crazy supercar feel. Youve got it all backwards, mate.

@batman291 10 лет назад

The force is strong with this one...

@ssaini5028 10 лет назад

Driving around the track sideways killing the rear tires amounts to whats exactly? A $50,000 Mustang can do that better, hey Autocar drive the car properly next time, show us what it can really do!

@rousseau327 10 лет назад

It's like you chose to turn away every time he took a corner the "proper" way. He wasn't drifting through every corner.

@RunnerRemRem 10 лет назад

Absolutely agree. This track test is empty of trackness. Only drifting.

@ssaini5028 10 лет назад

ewt415 I think you were watching another video review

@rousseau327 10 лет назад

Caesar Cornelius Are you really going to tell me that he drifted through every corner of the track?

@ssaini5028 10 лет назад

ewt415 OK if I it makes you feel better he drifted through 99% of the track

@autospotter15 10 лет назад

After watching this, I would prefer it over a 458 Italia!

@AdamBoguszart 10 лет назад

Dear Santa.......

@Rytis36 10 лет назад

that flappy pedals make cheap noise, get's annoying, isn't it?

@zhbroder 10 лет назад

i do agree but it also sounds very competent for some reason. keep in mind the paddles are metal so it probably feels a bit like a rifle bold action or something

@surpasslimits 10 лет назад

It's on a rocker, there has to be a specific point where the shift occurs

@jhaabhishek 10 лет назад

thats also because its two ways...

@higurro 10 лет назад

I think the looks are growing on me. It's not great, but it's growing on me.

@2007suprasport 10 лет назад

Wow! Where can I get one? And how much, is it on xbox1 or ps4?

@V8Chevy2412 10 лет назад

I don;t know. I think only the P1 deserves those headlights. It is elegant and full of beautiful curves so they fit the rest of the car, but this doesn't look quite right.

@ccx806 10 лет назад

Yeah, I noticed that too. The front of this car looks a bit awkward. I don't like the 'copy and paste' styling of this car. Having said that, the car is a technical masterpiece

@anotherone10 10 лет назад

I wasn't too keen on the looks when the 650S was first unveiled, but its grown on me & I have to say it looks really nice in white. And those tyres look like they shred so easily, when its drifting theres rubber flying off left, right and center!

@sereneturmoil 10 лет назад

Steve, and Autocar as a whole, are very quickly and drastically falling behind the other major motor journalism channels in the quality and informative nature of their reviews. Another disappointment among many of recent.

@coureurdebois 10 лет назад

i still think the 12c has a cleaner look.... but this does look more "exotic" / "styled" which is what people seem to enjoy more. but still love the 12c just a little bit more

@spencer19811 10 лет назад

Steve- I've always been a fan of your work but your review of the P1 sucked! You've definitely redeemed yourself on this one well done!

@zhbroder 10 лет назад

truu. this video is fantastic

@ccx806 10 лет назад

Agree 100%. His P1 review seemed more like an advertisement for the car rather than a full-blown review He's back to his high standard in this video

@Rytis36 10 лет назад

wonder if i created a youtube channel, buy crappy video camera, go to, let's say, porsche dealership and say: can i have a go in your gt3?

@AntonEMaes 10 лет назад

people do that. Their videos are very boring.

@Chris.Davies 10 лет назад

I must be getting old, because I am disappointed not to see the car cornering on the limit at speed, rather than all that tyre-shredding silliness over and over again.

@Baseketballify 10 лет назад

Agreed; different league than any Porsche. But don't tell Evo that. They'd rank the 911 GT3 1st, even if it's engine caught fire on the track. Bring on the 458 italia vs 458 Speciale vs 650S vs SLS AMG Black.

@3yar1983 10 лет назад

i stopped watching this guy for a while after his show of range rover vs porsche cayenne turbo !! and oh Steve .. you'll never be a Chris Harris !

@nbrigdan 10 лет назад

Partially I agree with you, partially I don't. After the Range vs. Cayenne I felt the same way. But Steve is an ex racing driver, so I still value his opinion, even if it's quite biased towards British cars.

@oanamuresan3148 10 лет назад

You stopped watching his show because he didn't agree with you? Twat. Steve is an excellent car journalist and brings something different to the table. Sutcliffe has his own unique style of exuberance. He's as excited as a fat kid eating cake when he's driving.

@ActingTanka 10 лет назад

Why the hell you are comparing Sutcliffe to Harris is beyond me. He's not trying to be Harris - he has a completely different style of driving and presenting. And yes, as stated above, he is an ex-race driver so his perceptions of car dynamics are not to be sneezed at

@JDMEXforme 10 лет назад

The front does not match the rest of the car. The car has straight lines through out the whole design in which the F1's headlights along with a more angular front could have been fitted instead.

@zhbroder 10 лет назад

I want to see this car drag and hot lap battle an LP640 just to prove how technology in cars is becoming bonkers.

@AnDuKn0Thi5MaN 10 лет назад

Is it better than a 458 Specialé though??? I want to see a head to head!!

@tough931 10 лет назад

i would like this thing vs GT3

@RWoody1995 10 лет назад

hm i have to say i didnt quite like the look of the 650s when i first saw it, i thought it looked like they took a P1 and melted the front and made it fat but now seeing it here driving on the track its growing on me, starting to look better than the original 12C looked

@hemdatpersaud5312 10 лет назад

This 650s seems more agile and fun more than the mp4-12c but i think the 650s is the reply to ferrari's 458 speciale

@TheStallion234 10 лет назад

I hate the clicking of the paddles. In Ferraris and Lamborghinis, you get the sense that you're pulling on a lever to change gears, not pushing a button, if that makes sense. If you've driven a Ferrari, or even the Maseratis/Alfa 8C, you know what I'm talking about. There's something almost mechanical about the way those levers feel and sound when changing gears vs. a button clicking like the new Mercs or this 650s.

@TheStallion234 10 лет назад

Wolfgang Kan I thought F1 used single clutch transmissions?

@jeebus2121 10 лет назад

TheStallion234 They are.

@surpasslimits 10 лет назад

TheStallion234 No, they are seamless shift

@TheStallion234 10 лет назад

jeebus2121 Yeah, I mean, there's just something more mechanical about the paddles in Fiat group cars (Ferrari/Alfa/Maserati). It feels as if you're actually changing a gear vs pushing a button which then changes the gear. It's tough to describe unless you've felt it.

@jeebus2121 10 лет назад

surpasslimits There's still a clutch.

@bernzie001 8 лет назад

The McLarens exhaust note is soooo lovely and deep. I think if i fell in that exhaust id never get back out.

@st0shattack 10 лет назад

brown leather with a white and black exterior? what was the owner thinking...

@zyoungson 10 лет назад

I think it looks stunning

@aljack1979 7 лет назад

Zac Youngson agreed, classic Porsche colour combination from the 70s

@WarrenSheehan 10 лет назад

its amazing how these videos are starting to become a bit stale, its just drifting drifting drifting on every corner, think the guys needs to see if they can come up with something else, i seriously doubt these company's spend this much effort getting these cars so right just to watch them only go sideways at every corner.

@tmat04 10 лет назад

I think I prefer this better than the P1! Well, at least in terms of looks. And you can tell this car is amazingly quick. I think it will TOAST the Ferrari 458 Speciale, 2014 Porsche 911 Turbo S and Nissan GTR Nismo. I'm expecting the 2015 Corvette Z06 equiped with an 8sp auto transmission to be very quick, also, and to Perform great overall. But I still don't think it will be able to outperform the McLaren 650S. It will be interesting to see all the cars meantioned above battle it out in a comparison test, though.

@FjordTrotter 10 лет назад

whenever the germans gauff about their Porsches being "the Vurld's best Spauts Cah"... and when I see snobs driving their super-souped 911 Carrera S, thinking they rule the automotive world... they don't understand that a King has resurrected from the dead... I chuckle a little in English... because clearly, the Mclaren 650S is the God of all supercars... no thanks Ferrari, pasta can do later.

@blackonegreyone 10 лет назад

Not saying it's not brilliant (and this probably comes from the fact that I'll never be able to afford anything McLaren makes, and they are my favorite car company), but It looks like a P1 and a MP4-12C had a baby. I sorta liked the front end of the 12C. I will miss it.

@L110508 10 лет назад

Against the Speciale, this will end-up like 12c against the 458. Performance is another thing, but the look, the sound, are far from Ferrari's. Turbocharged just won't stand a chance against NA when it comes to sound.

@jennyfromjapan 10 лет назад

you know what...yes, the 650s is brilliant, but how about that camera-work?? i'm reminded of some of the rolling shots from when steve reviewed the 991 gt3: 2013 Porsche 911 GT3 tested by www.autocar.co.uk --has to be the best cameraman in the business. give this man some credit and print his name somewhere!!

@mugdays 10 лет назад

"It's not just the engine, gearbox, and steering that McLaren has tweaked." Don't you mean "McLaren HAVE tweaked"? I thought you were British, mate!

@pascalmpower7944 10 лет назад

Tested to the limit...........

@noelynoelnh 10 лет назад

Well done McLaren!, finally a brit sports car company that can give ferrari porsche and Lamborghini a bloody nose, be proud!!!!!!

@dreray4077 10 лет назад

Great car sure, But its butt ugly, Rather have a GT3 or a Stingray, Seems hard to justify the 40k difference over the MP4.

@voilemontagne 9 лет назад

I dont understand why mclaren still using this fully open diff.i know that it has brake steer but it will never be as good as a true diff?.. can somebody explain to me?

@zyoungson 9 лет назад

because mclaren are slick and they can make it work

@HalfAssAssassin 9 лет назад

lelegume1635 I used to wonder this as well. I'm a huge fan of limited-slip diffs -- my current car has a clutch-pack LSD that is critical to the car's handling especially on the track, and in a prior car I spent good money to replace the open diff with a Torsen which was an absolute transformation. BUT I recently drove a 650S and I think I can now understand how an open diff w/brake steer can work just fine: 1) Unlike 400hp cars that tried and abandoned brake-diffs (like the IS-F), the 650S has power to spare. The power that is lost in the brake of the slipping wheel is insignificant compared to the power available, and even at max brake-steer there's still enough power to accelerate out of a turn at the traction limit. 2) Their brake-steer programming is awesome. Just guessing, but it felt like the car is programmed to automatically increase the throttle to very closely compensate for the power lost during brake-steer, and that its sensitive to the finest steering inputs and yaw motion. McLaren invented the system in F1 and dominated with it, so no surprise they can tune it so well.

@voilemontagne 9 лет назад

HalfAssAssassin thanks for yours explanations. But is this system as snappy as it was in the 12c? because it seems to be better in the 650S. Is it just a question of programming?

@HalfAssAssassin 9 лет назад

lelegume1635 I would guess its all programming. Sport handling mode in the 650S is probably close to what the original 12c was in its track setting.

@voilemontagne 9 лет назад

HalfAssAssassin okay fine :) good job McLaren!

@earthstick 10 лет назад

What ever made McLaren think anyone would want to buy a brown interior? Not only a brown interior but against an unflattering white exterior. Maybe thats why this particular car is given to boring reviewers to drift with.

@Techie-B 10 лет назад

I would love to see this vs the new GT2 RS when it is released by Porsche, the 458 Speciale and Lambo Huracan.

@77bigdave 10 лет назад

Got the opportunity to see one of these in person last Saturday at the Euro Auto Festival at the BMW Manufacturing Plant near my house. It looks and sounds even better in person.

@dartagnanx1 10 лет назад

Okay, funniest comment during this great drive had to be "I'm not getting enough heat in the tires", in response to the car's understeer. No, I don't think heat was the problem.

@RunnerRemRem 10 лет назад

To much drifting. I learnt absolutely nothing about the car's behaviour on the track. Thank you for this non-track-test.

@aliazharsalim 10 лет назад

I'm kind of getting tired of watching videos of car i will probably never drive. Its like tinder looking at girls I will probably never date.

@imperia777 10 лет назад

ugly interior

@AeronN7 10 лет назад

The rear of this car really reminds me of the old Jaguar XJ220

@josj15 10 лет назад

that clicking noise when he pulls the paddle shifter is annoying and in a way highlights whatever (miniscule) time difference there is between pulling the paddle and the gear change taking place, they should've made it silent.

@Maurice_Moss 10 лет назад

You can see the rubber coming off the tires during a drift! Wonder how many sets of rears he used

@jeffwill4923 10 лет назад

I still prefer the 2012 HS front end. The 2014 50th edition is a update from the HS but I like that one also.

@donphobos 10 лет назад

A mental car, amazing piece of engineering.

@livingthelife8443 10 лет назад

He's like previously their were complaint the 12c couldn't drift excuse while "" tire screech tire screech tire screech engine roar tire screech focus factor serious face didn't kill me yet" well this one can

@vernonhampton6973 10 лет назад

I think it's an outstanding car and I don't mind the looks, but I'm not sure I understand why everyone wants to drift every car...

@Ara198826 10 лет назад

seat belts ?? NO ?? OK

@bynumjimmy 10 лет назад

another video of some guy driving a car sideways...a bit boring. Does everyone want Tokyo Drift?

@danny2fst4u 10 лет назад

Please less drifting and more driving next time. Its ok that you can drift it but that does not show what the car is capable of..

@harrisM15A 10 лет назад

i came here after an F12 B video.This thing looks like an angry Renault in compare.

@bohanan5851 10 лет назад

I like this commentator. He says what you want to hear and leaves out the (Jeremy Clarkson-ish) nonsense.

@lfsracer79 10 лет назад

3:35 Five grand extra is "ouch"? Please, don't be ridiculous...

@skrads 10 лет назад

Enough drifting already. Some of us rarely do this in real life. Just drive it properly for once.

@blocksterz 10 лет назад

It just looks so stunning in white that i forgot all about the 12C...P1 mix design issues

@Bobbly_bobbby 10 лет назад

Please bring back the mp4-12c headlight, this one is just ugly.

@faizanghaffar 9 лет назад

Too late for 458 speciale. I think this and 488 GTB need a head to head, badly.

@Ober1kenobi 10 лет назад

Little bit of Understeer... with 641hp... somewhat of a safety feature

@grinner317 10 лет назад

Give me Chris Harris any day better driver , better literature , better drifter , better looking!!!!.

@QrayzHD 10 лет назад

It's like he keeps hurting his right arm lol

@calaiscruiser 10 лет назад

lovely car! initially I wasn't so keen on the new design nose which is obviously inspired by the P1 but its somewhat started to grow on me and I think suites the overall look of the car quite well! Make the older nose from the 12c look rather plain and dated. I wish I had money..

@Marticus518 10 лет назад

where's the limit you mention in the title? The drift limit? This isn't a fucking drift car.

@spencer19811 10 лет назад

Mr Sutcliffe certainly knows how to drive. What a car though.

@mcximus 10 лет назад

Amazing how modern tech can extract so much horse power out of a 3.8 liter.

@TheWanskiz 10 лет назад

Damn, I should have been a journalist. This looks like too much fun.

@Puzzoozoo 10 лет назад

Wheels and tires were designed to roll straight, not sideways.

@TheMitch12356 10 лет назад

I have watch a few reviews now on the 650s, but no one has if it is better that the ferrari 458 speciale

@ParadoxdesignsOrg 10 лет назад

This guy reminds me of Chris Harris. kinda.

@TheXbites 10 лет назад

650s (in looks) half mclaren p1 half mclaren mp412c

@zhbroder 10 лет назад

tach totally reminds me of an f1

@98687 10 лет назад

"The brakes feel the same as the P1s" This is actually a compliment to the P1 seeing as it has regenerative braking from the electric motor and the 650s just has standard hydrolics and discs. Getting the feel of hydrolics from a regenerating brake is very difficult.

@jamesbuckley6483 10 лет назад

How does the expression 'as standard' apply to this vehicle?

@ironcityblue 10 лет назад

They should use skinnier tires so it drifts more for better performance.

@coreyfisher2542 10 лет назад

This car looks so nice up close. There are quite a few McLarens running around Los Angeles right now. I haven't seen Jay Leno's P1 yet but I saw wonderful blue 650 in front of a restaurant in Pasadena. I think it fits nicely between the 12 C and the P1, style wise.

@GarettFinney 3 дня назад

Why is this guy so good at driving lol

@TheChannel1978 10 лет назад

Is the track Ascari in Spain?

@rejoicerone3176 10 лет назад

Autocar Who is it compared to the mighty Ferrari 458 italia??

@pablofran 9 лет назад

Why he drive always like in a rally?? Isn't a good driver

@lop8828 10 лет назад

I bet the sole purpose of the 3.8 was to show the nissan gurus how to optimize the power and efficiency of such displacement :) Just look how sharp it turns. Fckn fantastic! !

@MTreddevil12 10 лет назад

***** flat plane cranks produce less vibration in the higher rpms. Car maker very much go over 2 liters just look at the accord, camry, optima all 2.4 then altima, mazda 6, chevy malabu with 2.5 liter engines.

@MTreddevil12 10 лет назад

***** try revving a crossplane v8 past 7000rpm. The crank would have to be lightened to handle the rotation. Which means more vibration. Yes flat plane cranks are no as well balanced on paper but with clever engineering they can be just as smooth at low rpms and rev past 9k rpm. Look at Porches 4.6l v8 and the rumored Ford 5.0l + flat plane v8

@alexlam24 10 лет назад

The engine was developed with Nissans help, they just went their own ways after they got past the design stage.

@alexlam24 10 лет назад

The engine was developed with Nissans help, they just went their own ways after they got past the design stage.

@alexlam24 10 лет назад

***** Wow, way to assume that I'm a "typical GT-R fucktard, ignorant". The evidence you stated still says that McLaren did help develop the engine. They bought the rights so they did further develop the engine.

@hkgspotter1 10 лет назад

Why on earth is he not wearing a seat-belt????

@andrewgrandahl 10 лет назад

Well done McLaren; video game status achieved.

@slabsides1 10 лет назад

Breathtaking. As much as I luv the 458 Speciale, I'd take this over it. Incredible.

@ntsmith715 10 лет назад

the reason the front doesn't match up with the rear is because the rear is the same as the previous model and the front is the same or similar to the p1

@durveishrs4730 10 лет назад

dries3654 it looks messy at the rear with that black thing And the front looks like a mismatch

@jagrutidanidharia8868 9 лет назад

what??? Huracan would beat the new 488?? you must be kidding..

@nastyscorp 8 лет назад

huracan is awd. traction advantage around the corners

@andrepatacchini 10 лет назад

Hahahaha, they took the top gear and fifth gear comparissions, between macs and ferraris, copiyed the parametes for suspension, torque, electronic dynamic controls, then control c control v in this ferrari clone and everybody is saying its a New car. Hahaha. if they were chinese, we would be talking about clonning here. Learn something to your life, To make a good super and hiper car, you must have and italian root. And an italian name. go make land rovers.

@fictivegamer 10 лет назад

You're not just wrong, you're stupid.

@andrepatacchini 10 лет назад

Fict1ve who asked???

@snyc42 10 лет назад

this and the 458 speciale are staring to grow on me

@Emadavid 10 месяцев назад

Ask me how many times I have watched this video 😂

@alexanderyoung8628 10 лет назад

1:47 - 3:10 That's some bloody good driving

@TheShaneglass05 Год назад

Yup

@tohara1991 10 лет назад

the clicking of the paddles is really annoying

@SoCalFreelance 10 лет назад

Not feeling that poo brown interior.

@charlesrobichaud4585 10 лет назад

why have they not taken a hint from Pagani and, after braking hard into a corner, have the wing stay up, or come back up, to control the downforce to the rear so as to not destroy your tires.... or your lap time!!! can they not add a sensor from the traction control??? geez.!

@M3Conv 10 лет назад

Like the McLaren engineers have something to learn from Pagani

@charlesrobichaud4585 10 лет назад

M3Conv umm maybe!!! just a wing on the back can create catastrophic understeer!!! that's why Mr. Pagani was actually smart.! or maybe he saw a countach when he was younger that had the wings back and on the front, and said wow that's mean lookin!!! or like me, watched the Stig driving the Veyron ss and in the first turn he damn near understeers out into the grass!!!