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Bringing Back the Battleship? 

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This video is going over the idea of bringing the battleships back into naval combat and the reasons that the weapons are being considered in modern warfare.
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@Conquistador387
@Conquistador387 Месяц назад
I agree that a battleship type of platform would be needed. i know the gun that was supposed to be on the DDG-1000 series 155mm/62 (6.1in) gun was also produced in a 127mm (5in) so if that could be combined into a triple battery and a few of those batteries on a platform would be huge. CIWS not CRAM is on naval ships but i don't think those would be the best option for small drones. i think a bunch of 40mm autocannon or chain guns with the proximity rounds would be much more effective to kamikaze drones. One thing i think you are overlooking is that every Naval ship has electronic warfare capabilities and that helps immensely against drones. I am sure EW warfare systems are going into a technological overhaul just due to the wide proliferation of that threat. But overall i agree with your opinions that there is a big gap in capability! One other lack of capability is our Amphibious warfare ships as they are realizing that the LHA platform that was supposed to replace the LHD needs a well deck to be effective. Holes in a flight deck are a problem but there are also a lot of VTOL aircraft that are in the fleet. A possible revisit to Anti Aircraft Artillery might be an interesting endeavor as well. It was used extensively in WW2 but fell out of favor due to missile technology. Love the video, keep up the good work!
@wms-h2v
@wms-h2v Месяц назад
Thank you! I will be doing a follow up video on the use of a Navy in upcoming videos. As for the Electronic Warfare, I agree, however, I don't understand the systems well enough to comment and since all of the details are usually classified I can't really make any accurate guesses as to current or future capabilities. As for WWII style aircraft guns there may be a follow up to that in the future as I have had some questions about that from friends!
@coreydarr8464
@coreydarr8464 Месяц назад
All ships should double or triple their Phalanx CIWS, because of drones!
@wms-h2v
@wms-h2v Месяц назад
That we will likely see within the next two or three years as an upgrade to our carriers and destroyers. I could see flak shells being used in 5 Inch guns again as well.
@charlesmaurer6214
@charlesmaurer6214 Месяц назад
I picture a multirole battleship like design. Base it on the Iowa footprint and replace the main guns with about double to triple a missile cruiser load out as a start. Aft ad a two bay four craft hanger for helicopters/VSTOL and a well deck (Smaller but like the Landing Assault Carriers) The well deck would be used either for special ops or the augment the Landing Assault Carriers. To replace the bombardment feature of the classic battleships above the hanger and forward taking much less space than the old main guns mount two pair of rail guns with w 5 to 15lbs hypersonic slug. Also perhaps add a powerful laser or maser weapon that with the railguns would be electrical powered reducing explosion risk of the old main mags. With a nuclear powerplant, CWIS and 5 inch secondaries you could have a 40-45 knot Swiss army knife of a warship able to operate either on it's own or augment nearly any fleet action. In the 80s a missile battleship was proposed but the fail point was too many missiles on one platform and lack of production in volume if ever needed. By only doing 2-3X the missile cruisers and using the remaining space for other weapons and roles it would gain back much the classic roles such ships once had in a prior era. Plus that hanger add a smaller short hanger deck above for misc. drones (while useful should the ship take a pounding the upper hanger is not vital and would place the armor deck below and an center armored riser between bays for the guns. The flight decks on carriers is not armored but the deck below is to allow non critical and repairable damage to the upper deck but preserve vitals below. I also could see a set of floating bases with airfields and docks to service subs and fleet ships (modeled in part after the floating airport in Hong Kong except able to move at a slow speed) perhaps even work in so oil rig and processing hardware. Would act like a forward base avoiding the need to island hop like we did in WWII.
@wms-h2v
@wms-h2v Месяц назад
So the concept of a vessel like that was examined, however, it was decided that having a swiss army knife ship would put too many eggs in one basket. If the ship was hit or taken out of action it would significantly reduce the ability of the fleet it was tasked to. That combined with the high operational cost of all the systems in one ship, its hard to keep running. Plus, overall its more efficient for vessels to specialize in their roles in modern combat. Its why you have carriers and amphibious assault ships separated into two different ships and not a single platform. Would it be crazy cool? Heck yes! But sadly due to the nature of war a ship of that nature will never be built unless some nation has a ton of extra cash to burn.
@charlesmaurer6214
@charlesmaurer6214 Месяц назад
@@wms-h2v Part of the concept is to avoid having a bunch of eggs without even a basket to protect them. The NAVY is killing the specialist ships now because every current class has revealed to be a bunch of fragile eggs without the ability to slug it out. They shoot their load and are useless after. To save money after the cost wasted on ships that required to only face the expected battlefield they are converting merchant ships for many roles and likewise buying back Fighters in masses that they planned to retire but the replacements are 2/3s unable to fly a mission (half of that unable to fly due to filings in the tanks.) The carrier remains the heart of the Navy but all the secondary roles haven't had a worthy upgrade since Vietnam The only US Navy ship left in service that has killed any enemy ship has wood sides and wind power. The last retired ship with such a kill got it in Vietnam, The last time the Navy sank anyone in battle was Iran under Reagan and that goes to A6 pilots from the now being broken Enterprise. The Navy is already spread too thin to do the peace time jobs. While the modern Battleship I propose would have limits, the flexibility with 4 to 6 it would be a force multiplier that could stay at sea for 2 to 4 year tours with a crew with modern equipment reduced to that of a WWII destroyer. The guns could all be ran by one to three guys locally vs. the old 30+ for a single main turret on old battleships. The ship would be far less of an egg shell with reserve buoyancy and reduced explosive mags (Just missiles and 5" or smaller rounds) and in the case of the missile boxes they blow out not through the ship if they go. The smaller stuff we use today also have major range limits that mirror issues we faced in WWII with the Japs. Also a reason the new cruisers/frigates failed is they cannot serve forward well even on peace time patrol because even with reduced crews they lacked the fuel and supply capacity (in essence only useful in a coastal roll at home)
@wms-h2v
@wms-h2v Месяц назад
I respectfully disagree that the Navy is abandoning the specialization idea. The fleet just ordered new frigates and is expected to order more A-Bs as well. If they were abandoning the idea they would not expand upon it. If you are referring to the LCS ships, they were discarded due to poor construction and quality, the frigates ordered are to replace them. Additionally, I disagree on the claim that ships have not been upgraded other then carriers. Our destroyers far outshine their older counterparts and systems like the Tomahawk and CWIS have been updated into modern iterations to support the ships. Is the navy spread thin, yes, but being spread thin and being combat incapable are two different things. We have ships off of China and Yemen proving that now. Once again, the issue with the Battleship is not the manpower or firepower, its the cost, upkeep, and concentration of resources. A vessel of this sort would sap resources from the Navy for other projects and likely result in the cancellation of a carrier type ship which in the modern era is unacceptable as a carrier would be more flexible then a battleship due to range issues. So, while I like the design and details for the ship, its use in modern combat is not practical based on the amount of tech and resources packed into it.
@Soulessdeeds
@Soulessdeeds Месяц назад
I served in the Army as a Bradley mechanic. So since I am a land battleship expert. I obviously can spare some ideas for simple water battleship stuff. Because I have crossed a few creeks. So just give them biggie guns. Nuclear go fast go long tech. And allot of roman candles for pretty CNN war footage at night. Boom deadliest ship to ever get a skin in World of Warships. You're welcome.
@wms-h2v
@wms-h2v Месяц назад
Actually there was talk of putting more of the Bradly style auto-cannons to take out drones and small boats since the gun is compact enough to work for the role and the US Military has a few of them to test the concept out. Bigger gun and nuclear reactors is still a bit off though due to shipbuilding restraints.
@normanrockwell5551
@normanrockwell5551 Месяц назад
this is going to sound a little strange but since you're talking about drones attacking the battleships and all and our Navy . this is going to be another strange comment but its possible.to stop the drones. how about some type of net system.really. drone would fly into it.stop it instantly. it would explode but not hitting the ship or sailors. if a system could be created with netting. all is possible. a gunner can only take out so many.and if at night. wouldn't cost much.
@wms-h2v
@wms-h2v Месяц назад
Nets have been proven to be somewhat effective on ground based systems like trucks and tanks, however, trying to implement nets as protection on ships comes with a few issues. The main issue is that nets would likely not be deployed over vital systems like weapons and electronics to ensure all systems can function properly. VLS Cells and Radar systems really don't have a way to integrate a net based defense and both of those are some of the most important parts of the ship to protect. I could see nets used on segments of ships without special systems such as the upper hull and parts of the superstructure, but it would likely be a partial solution at best.
@normanrockwell5551
@normanrockwell5551 Месяц назад
Hi. Thanks for taking interest in my comment. Another thought came to mind. Talking of drones. Could remote subs be used to target our ships. They are double holed.i worked for Nassco.building ships. But if a type of remote sub had a small warhead with enough kick. This could be an issue
@wms-h2v
@wms-h2v Месяц назад
That's actually the topic of a video I will be making, specifically on the new Manta Drone that DARPA made and its impact on naval warfare. Its not as much the issue of the yield of the craft, its more off currently no navy on Earth has the ability to take out a swarm of underwater drones. Depth charges and the low number of torpedo mounts simply won't cut it. Missiles are still the best option, but like I said with the sustained bombardment issue, there are only a limited number of missiles. As I said though, working on a video for this so will hopefully have that out within the next month!
@mrbaab5932
@mrbaab5932 Месяц назад
With China having anti ship cruise missiles that have ranges of 1000 miles being worried about guns that fire 10-20 miles is silly. No USA ship will be abe to reach Tiawan other than subs.
@wms-h2v
@wms-h2v Месяц назад
While this is off topic from the video, I will address the point made. The number of missiles China has in that category is small, additionally US ships have enough countermeasures to deal with the amount of missiles currently in China's stockpiles. However, the weapons they do have in that category are quite potent and there are very few equivalents other then in the US and Russia.
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